Who Started World War II ? by Viktor Suvorov

[Norweger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbBnRZoTHFs

This is Viktor Suvorov's book presentation at the United States Naval Academy on October 7, 2009. In his recent book "The Chief Culprit" the bestselling author Viktor Suvorov probes newly released Soviet documents and reevaluates existing material to analyze Stalin's strategic design to conquer Europe and the reasons behind his controversial support for Nazi Germany.

He argues that Stalin was caught just days before launching his own assault into Central Europe. Thus the Red Army's offensive
posture rendered it uniquely vulnerable to German attack.
A former Soviet army intelligence officer (true name Vladimir Rezun), the author explains that Stalin's strategy leading up to World War II grew from Vladimir Lenin's belief that if World War I did not ignite the worldwide Communist revolution, then a second world war would be needed to achieve it. Stalin saw Nazi Germany as the power that would fight and weaken capitalist countries so that Soviet armies could then sweep across Europe.

Suvorovreveals how Stalin conspired with German leaders to bypass the Versailles Treaty, which forbade German rearmament, and secretly trained German engineers and officers and provided bases and factories for war. He also calls attention to the 1939 nonaggression pact between the Soviet Union and Germany that allowed Hitler to proceed with his plans to invade Poland, fomenting war in Europe.

Suvorov debunks the theory that Stalin was duped by Hitler and that the Soviet Union was a victim of Nazi aggression. Instead, he
makes the case that Stalin neither feared Hitler nor mistakenly trusted him.

Suvorov maintains that after Germany occupied Poland, defeated France, and started to prepare for an invasion of Great Britain, Hitler's intelligence services detected the Soviet Union's preparations for a major war against Germany. This detection, he argues, led to Germany's preemptive war plan and the launch of an invasion of the USSR. Stalin emerges from the pages of this book as a genius consumed by the vision of a worldwide Communist revolution at any cost--a leader who wooed Hitler and Germany in his own effort to conquer the world. In contradicting traditional theories about Soviet planning, the book is certain to
provoke debate among historians throughout the world.

[Neuro]

SuvorovrevealsTry and say that quickly many times...

[Norweger]

I had to ninjaedit because youtube decided that you shouldn't be able to copy text from the description anymore.

[FreeEnergy]

Suvorov is full of shit.

Stalin was not INTERNATIONALIST (read not "jewish zionist"). He was NATIONALIST, russian nationalist. He put many internationalist revolutionary jews to jail, where they belonged for destroying the country under Lenin's disguise.

A jew from Moldova and later from New York, Lev Davidovich Bronshtein (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Trotsky) and his 200+ jewish revolutionaries were running the country , including red terror. While Lenin was siting in libraries writing 33 books of his.

If you look around for a book called "Red Symphony", which is interviews by a NKVD of Rakovsky, a jew that ran Ukraine under jew Bronshtein who ran Soviet Union's Russian part, you will find a lot of interesting details. Including him revealing "a very powerful forces" who a really upset with Stalin's nationalism and NOT internationalism and who are going to finance Germany to fight Soviet Union. And where he reveals that in order to do it Poland would have to be sacrificed.


Anyhow, read Suvorov with a grain of salt as he's biased anti-Stalinist (which reveals that he's probably crypto jewish).

[FreeEnergy]

I gotta add to that. WW2 started because European money powers (including catholic church) bankrolled Hitler into power and financed a build-up of German army.
The financial miracle, when Hitler allegedly took country from bankruptcy into being the top economy and military power in the world in 5 or so years. No amount of flag and swastika waving can do that, that's some serious financial bankrolling and backing.

Oh, and don't forget that Hitler was allowed to issue its own money without interest.

On the other end, US money powers financed both sides, with Bushes grandpa's bank financing Hitler, for instance, while Ford and a number of other companies built factories in Russia. Bankers where building up the two countries to kill a lot of people, no doubt.

Stalin is just an escape goat.

[osoab]

Stalin liked to keep their company.


http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system. After Stalin no longer viewed him favorably, Yagoda was demoted and executed, and was replaced as chief hangman in 1936 by Yezhov, the "bloodthirsty dwarf."


Yezhov was not Jewish but was blessed with an active Jewish wife. In his Book "Stalin: Court of the Red Star", Jewish historian Sebag Montefiore writes that during the darkest period of terror, when the Communist killing machine worked in full force, Stalin was surrounded by beautiful, young Jewish women.

Stalin's close associates and loyalists included member of the Central Committee and Politburo Lazar Kaganovich. Montefiore characterizes him as the "first Stalinist" and adds that those starving to death in Ukraine, an unparalleled tragedy in the history of human kind aside from the Nazi horrors and Mao's terror in China, did not move Kaganovich.

Many Jews sold their soul to the devil of the Communist revolution and have blood on their hands for eternity. We'll mention just one more: Leonid Reichman, head of the NKVD's special department and the organization's chief interrogator, who was a particularly cruel sadist.




Stalin's 3 Jewish Wives (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-leaders-stalin-3%20Jewish%20Wives%20of%20Joseph%20Stalin.html)
Stalin's Love Affair with the Jewess Ana Rubenstein (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-leaders-stalin-Stalin%27s%20Love%20Affair%20with%20the%20Jewess%2 0Ana%20Rubenstein.html)

[Jerrylynnb]

All we know this much later is what we can read about that era. This is one version I have read that makes sense to me, so, why not give a listen.

Germany was tricked by Wilson's 14 points into surrendering the Great War and wound up having significant portions of its lands AND PEOPLES occupied by harsh non-germans, some of whom became unbearably brutal.

After the NSDAP was successful to get Germany proper (that not under occupation) back on its feet and enjoying near full employment, the natural goal would be to unite all the other German peoples and lands that had been forcibly occupied after Versailles. If this is not true, advise as to what version of history are you citing.

This goal, to unite the portions of Germany that had been occupied in 1918, back with Germany proper, was the spark that started the war. The actual spark was Germany's attempt to reunite Western Prussia, and especially Danzig, which had been under harsh (mildly put) occupation by Polish authorities since the end of the Great War.

If any of this is not true history, I need to hear where you are getting your facts from. Had I been around back then, I'd been in favor of seeing Germany re-unite the millions of Germans who had been forcibly occupied by aliens, and, I don't see why anyone would want to deny them this fundamental right. Imagine how americans would feel about seeing Texas occupied by Mexico for 20 years, and seeing Texans being mistreated and brutalized by their Mexican occupiers - americans would have gone berserk with vengeance!

There are photos which claim to be the hordes of Western Prussians flooding across the border to Germany weekly, barely escaping the horrors that were being vented upon them by the Polish authorities, which have been reported to have been Polish jews.

Again, it would make sense for any fair minded person to root for Germans to be re-united with their brethren, and certainly not to be brutalized, as what was reported in Germany at the time. This was not reported in Western news, so that Americans, Brits, and French were kept ignorant and Germany was painted as being outright adventurer in attacking "Poland" (when they were really trying to regain lost territory and protect hapless Western Prussians from further brutalization by Poles, led by Polish jews).

If this is version is incorrect, speak up.

While at it (this would explain why the Germans "invaded" Poland), I have yet to hear any legitimate reason for the Soviet Union to invade Poland. So, if there were any adventurism going on in September, 1939, wasn't it the Soviet Union, under Stalin's direct leadership? What claim, phoney or legit, did Stalin have for invading Eastern Poland?

According to this version, Germany was, from the very start, hoping to end all hostilities, as they had finally re-united their brethren, but, with so many powerful nations making war with them, they had no choice but to engage their attackers vigorously, all the while hoping to either a) come to peace terms with the hostile parties, or b) achieve outright victory and find peace that way. War, for Germany, was very much a major deviation from their vision of their future (see some of the artists renditions of the kind of cities and hoped for future achievements German visionaries were promoting for their folk).

If this is an incorrect reading of that historical period, I need to be corrected with whatever historical facts are available.

[Neuro]

Jerry, Germany's destiny was decided long before it invaded Poland, possibly lured by Stalin... This is from 1933.

http://www.redicecreations.com/ul_img/5951judeawar.jpg

[Danubian]

Yes, that's correct Neuro.

I just finished Ramsay's book "THE NAMELESS WAR". Although it's about the International Jewish war on European political life, largely gentile, it gives some inside info on what was going on at the time in Britain at behest of Internationalist Jews. There are some details in it that I've never read before.

http://www.johnkaminski.info/pages/the_next_chapter/pdf/the_nameless_war.pdf

[FreeEnergy]

Jerrylynnb, I am all for reuniting. Including this current reuniting. It's all good. Except that when you absorb poorer territories (like East Germany), you'd need to give people jobs and integrate the economies, i.e. it COSTS money . East Germany is a good example as we can see that WG is still absorbing it 20-some years later. If in 5 years you integrate your poorer lands, get something from France for free, start interest-free money (which did not exist in Europe), create strongest army in the world and are being lead to annex Poland , I can tell you 1000% that you have VERY SERIOUS backers and HUMONGOUS bankroll, in all aspects - political support (Pope supported Hitler), financial and technology-wise.

It just isn't happening otherwise.



While at it (this would explain why the Germans "invaded" Poland), I have yet to hear any legitimate reason for the Soviet Union to invade Poland.


I suggest you read Red Symphony by Rakovsky, who isn't some fantasy writer like Suvorov, but was actually a leader of Ukrainian Soviet Republic.

West European, British powers and some Americans bankrolled Hitler to fight which was becoming a very strong socialist force on the continent. They did not like that Stalin, unlike Trotsky-Bronshtein (Rosthchild relative through his wife, BTW), wasn't singing under their INTERNATIONAL REVOLUTION-ary tune. They wanted world revolution, one world government with the same New World Order crap they are peddling now. Stalin wasn't playing that game. They wanted him out and his cronies in. Nobody out there was capable of defeating Soviet Russia - that explains how Germans got all this military technology, by the way.

Poland was split in half by a decree between Germany and Russia. Poland was Russian territory. Catherine the Great, Empress of Russia, around 1760 give or take had an agreement with Austria and Prussia to incorporate parts of Polish-Lithuaninan lands into Russia. That part of Poland was Russian for close to 200 years. So, Prussia-Germany had about the same right to their part of Poland as Soviet Union had to theirs.


Unfortunately, with one-sided history that's being fed around , apparently nobody remembers atrocities that Austria and Prussia did on polish people, even polish people themselves don't seem to remember as they buy their history books from the same western writers. But they are constantly fed the anti-russian sentiment.


Edit. Both of these great NATIONALIST leaders from WHITE nations, Hitler (german nationalist to a high degree) and Stalin (russian nationalist) , where lead to fight each other to the death of millions of people (mostly white) on both sides for two reasons: 1) to force european jews to move into newly creating Israel , and 2) to advance their One World Government, New World Order agendas.

[FreeEnergy]

There are photos which claim to be the hordes of Western Prussians flooding across the border to Germany weekly, barely escaping the horrors that were being vented upon them by the Polish authorities, which have been reported to have been Polish jews.
.

What you don't see is a third force on that continent. Poland had more than 10% jewish population, as did Lithuania and Western Ukraine. Those lands are called in russian "cherta osedlosti" or something of that sort, it is lands where Russian Czar let jews buy land and live when they escaped from other areas. That created a serious long term problem, even unit now as these local jews are who now bankrolling a government coupe in Ukraine.

[FreeEnergy]

That war, just like all major world wars, was bankrolled. Financial powers typically finance both sides to make war long and interesting enough for serious economic gains.
Money changers have been behind it. The largest beneficiary of WW2, aside from money changers was the United States, where money changers moved their operation. You were lucky to live through the first phase of their pyramid money printing , resource stealing operation. You are about to find out the other side of this game.

[steyr_m]

That's easy -- Churchill and Roosevelt.

One could also say Wilson -- as he suckered the US into the war at a time when both side were about exhausted and starting to look for peace.

[osoab]

West European, British powers and some Americans bankrolled Hitler to fight which was becoming a very strong socialist force on the continent. They did not like that Stalin, unlike Trotsky-Bronshtein (Rosthchild relative through his wife, BTW), wasn't singing under their INTERNATIONAL REVOLUTION-ary tune. They wanted world revolution, one world government with the same New World Order crap they are peddling now. Stalin wasn't playing that game. They wanted him out and his cronies in. Nobody out there was capable of defeating Soviet Russia - that explains how Germans got all this military technology, by the way.


Stalin got all of his military know how from the states.

FROM MAJOR JORDAN'S DIARIES

(http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/wars/jordan/01.html)It's all a facade.

[Danubian]

Stalin got all of his military know how from the states.

FROM MAJOR JORDAN'S DIARIES

(http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/wars/jordan/01.html)It's all a facade.

There's a 45 min YouTube introduced by Ed Griffin of Jordan's presentation about his experiences documented in his diary. I can't post it now. The audience laughing is disturbing.

[steyr_m]

Stalin got all of his military know how from the states.

FROM MAJOR JORDAN'S DIARIES

(http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/wars/jordan/01.html)It's all a facade.

Is that worth reading? I don't mind reading older texts like that -- but want to know if it's worth my time. Can you give a brief idea of what it's about?

[Cebu_4_2]

I had to ninjaedit because youtube decided that you shouldn't be able to copy text from the description anymore.

No shit! That's going to really suck, wonder if there is a workaround. So far I can't figure it out.

[Norweger]

No shit! That's going to really suck, wonder if there is a workaround. So far I can't figure it out.

In google chrome you can right click and click print. From there you can mark and copy the text you want.

[osoab]

Is that worth reading? I don't mind reading older texts like that -- but want to know if it's worth my time. Can you give a brief idea of what it's about?

Major Jordan oversaw the lend lease program that shipped all of the precursors for making nuclear material during WWII. He worked side by side with a KGB agent loading planes bound for Russia.


A couple of quotes.


My reason for writing this book is very simple: I would like to keep the record straight. I want to put in permanent form the full story of my experiences as a Lend-Lease expediter and liaison officer with the Russians during the war, when I served for two crucial years, from May 1942 to June 1944, both at Newark Airport and at the big air base at Grand Falls, Montana.


At this time I knew nothing whatever about the atomic bomb. The words “uranium” and “Manhattan Engineering District” were unknown to me. But I became aware that certain folders were being held to one side on Colonel Kotikov’s desk for the accumulation of a very special chemical plant. In fact, this chemical plant was referred to by Colonel Kotikov as a “bomb powder” factory. By referring to my diary, and checking the items I now know went into an atomic energy plant, I am able to show the following records starting with the year 1942, while I was still at Newark. These materials, which are necessary for the creation of atomic pile, moved to Russia in 1942:
Graphite: natural, flake, lump or chip, costing American taxpayers $812,437. Over thirteen million dollars’ worth of aluminum tubes (used in the atomic pile to “cook” or transmute the uranium into plutonium), the exact amount being $13,041,152.
We sent 834,989 pounds of cadmium metal for rods to control the intensity of an atomic pile; the cost was $781,472.
The really secret material, thorium, finally showed up and started going through immediately. The amount during 1942 was 13,440 pounds at a cost of $22,848.*

*On Jan. 30, 1943 we shipped an additional 11,912 pounds of thorium nitrate to Russia from Philadelphia on the S.S. John C. Fremont. It is significant that there were no shipments from 1944 and 1945, due undoubtably to General Groves’ vigilance.



All of this is in the congressional record.

It has been a few years since I have read this.

[Danubian]

For some reason I can't embed videos - actually I have very limited options here on this board - but if you want to hear this audio from Youtube you can see it here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83eghJoUguk)

[osoab]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83eghJoUguk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83eghJoUguk

[osoab]

No shit! That's going to really suck, wonder if there is a workaround. So far I can't figure it out.


In google chrome you can right click and click print. From there you can mark and copy the text you want.

Looks like google is on the case to try and fix the issue.

https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/youtube/HU7yQD7Jbk4

[FreeEnergy]

I asked around.

Viktor Suvorov's real name is Vladimir Resun. He was a member of GRU (soviet spy agency), and a traitor. His roots are Ukrainian with some russian, that explains his traitor behavior and his hatred toward russians and Soviet Union (West Ukraine had a whole army on Hitler's side in WW2).

He defected to west in Geneva , Switzerland to UK intelligence (this explains his books) in the 70-ies, taking down ratting out a whole cell of agents with him (this is in intelligence and espionage is considered to be lowest of the low). For this he was sentenced to death by a soviet military tribunal (obviously not implemented, he's not that important).

His books were written after Soviet Union collapsed, they are full of mixed truth from memoirs of famous military figures and lots of fiction (he had no access to secret documents after he defected, and couldn't have access to a lot of them having a Top Secret and an age factor).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Suvorov

He is probably a UK intelligence anti-Stalin, anti-Russia propaganda agent.

[Norweger]

More like pro-truth, anti-Bolshevism.

[FreeEnergy]

Bolshevism is now in the White House.

The truth is right here in your face.

Samuel Bush in the early 1900 was part of Buckeye Steel, where he became CEO from Frank Rockefeller (Harriman was also a part owner).

Samuel's sun Prescott Bush marries daughter of George Hebert Walker, who later on with Averil Harriman (familiar), and together they established W.A. Harriman Co and a bank called "Union Bank" (I wonder why it was called such), with a german partner industrialist Fritz Thyssen, who was THE major donor of the Natzi party. Brown Brothers Harriman supplied with financing and banking services. That was financing Hitler. Bushes were not prosecuted. Several companies were ceased in 1942 due to Trading With The Enemy Act. After Thyssen was arrested and prosecuted in German, and died, proceeds of the companies he owned were released to Brown Brothers Harriman and to Prescott Bush. That money enabled his son, George Hebert Walker Bush to become a public figure.

But right after that you have Bush family dynasty in the White House. Priceless.



In 1980, when George H.W. Bush was elected vice president, he placed his father's family inherence in a blind trust. The trust was managed by his old friend and quail hunting partner, William "Stamps" Farish III. Bush's choice of Farish to manage the family wealth is quite revealing in that it demonstrates that the former president might know exactly where some of his inheritance originated. Farish's grandfather, William Farish Jr., on March 25th, 1942, pleaded "no contest" to conspiring with Nazi Germany while president of Standard Oil in New Jersey. He was described by Senator Harry Truman in public of approaching "treason" for profiting off the Nazi war machine. Standard Oil, invested millions in IG Farben, who opened a gasoline factory within Auschwitz in 1940.


How many wars did Bushes start and finance? How many millions of people they killed, for 4 generations? For sure more than a mythical Stalin.

[Santa]

The representatives to the U.N. from all five permanent members of the Security Council — the Soviet Union, the United States, the United Kingdom, France and China —

Nationalism has been superseded by Internationalism, or today what's known as Globalism.

Virtually every MSM News production that projects antagonisms between Nations is disinformation designed to obfuscate the fact that these Globalists are working together
as a secret hidden unelected Globalist government Cabal.

[gunDriller]

if he changed his name to Suvorovus, it would be the same forward and backward.