Trey Gowdy shatters the IRS Commissioner 6/23/14

[Ares]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BttxOscABQ

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BttxOscABQ

[Cebu_4_2]

I like these younger guys arguing, they remind me of me.

[Ares]

I like these younger guys arguing, they remind me of me.

I'm starting to become a fan of Trey Gowdy. He has the same ferocity while investigating Benghazi.

[EE_]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BttxOscABQ

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BttxOscABQ

Nice!

Do people realize how huge this criminal investigation is? If the IRS gets nailed cold in criminal wrong doing, it could be the collapse of the whole global system.
We could see a tax revolt that would collapse the Fed. No Fed collection agency, no Fed!

One thing that bothers me about the reporting of this, that everyone is focused on the emails and not a soul has questioned what else was lost in the so called hard drive crash. Learner had a lot of business she undoubtely did on her computer that should have been backed up, reports, etc. I would think the business related files would have been more important for the IRS to have lost.

Well, think I'll go watch some more Iraq crisis news that's being pumped over and over by the MSM.
It feels like they are trying to get the masses behind something?

Our country is under seige at home, so I don't give a crap about Iraq!

[Ares]

Nice!

Do people realise how huge this criminal investigation is? If the IRS gets nailed cold in criminal wrong doing, it could be the collapse of the whole global system.
We could see a tax revolt that would collapse the Fed. No Fed collection agency, no Fed!

One thing that bothers me about the reporting of this, that everyone is focused on the emails and not a soul have questioned what else was lost in the so called hard drive crash. Learner had a lot of business she undoubtely did on her computer that should have been backed up, reports, etc. I would think the business related files would have been more important for the IRS to have lost.

Well, think I'll go watch some more Iraq crisis news that's being pumped over and over by the MSM.
It feels like they are trying to get the masses behind something?

Our country is under seige at home, so I don't give a crap about Iraq!

Being in I.T. and also very familiar with Microsoft Exchange Server. Her emails were NOT stored on the failed hard drive. The Microsoft Outlook client is just a mirror of whats on the server. Why no one is asking where the server mailbox store backups are is beyond me though in this case. GLP even had a thread showing that there was a offsite service that backed up the I.R.S. mail servers.

[Glass]

Being in I.T. and also very familiar with Microsoft Exchange Server. Her emails were NOT stored on the failed hard drive. The Microsoft Outlook client is just a mirror of whats on the server. Why no one is asking where the server mailbox store backups are is beyond me though in this case. GLP even had a thread showing that there was a offsite service that backed up the I.R.S. mail servers.

Good Question. yes I remember this. A copy of the emails maybe cached on the laptop but probably not accessible anyway so it would have to come from a server somewhere.

[EE_]

Being in I.T. and also very familiar with Microsoft Exchange Server. Her emails were NOT stored on the failed hard drive. The Microsoft Outlook client is just a mirror of whats on the server. Why no one is asking where the server mailbox store backups are is beyond me though in this case. GLP even had a thread showing that there was a offsite service that backed up the I.R.S. mail servers.

Ya get the feeling they're all reading off a script...like they're all in on it.

[BrewTech]

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/sonasoft.php

THE SONASOFT SAGA - THE IRS HAS A CONTRACT WITH A COMPANY THAT BACKS UP ALL OF THEIR EMAILS! Our story begins on Friday June 20th, 2014, when the Commissioner of the Internal Revenue Service John Koskinen testified before the House Ways & Means Committee in the nearly year-long scandal in which the IRS had been targeting the political enemies of President Barack Obama for excessive audits, blocking of tax-exempt status, and other forms of harassment. Use of the IRS in such ways is illegal and was one of the articles of impeachment against President Richard Nixon.
Attention had early on focused on Lois Lerner, the IRS official in charge of the tax exempt organizations unit who had dropped the blame for the abuse on lower-level IRS employees operating out of the Cincinnati office. However evidence began to surface of over 150 meetings between IRS officials and the White House, and emails that included illegal sharing of IRS information on Obama's political enemies. (http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/10/irs-white-house-officials-that-shared-confidential-taxpayer-info-had-155-white-house-meetings/) During the government shut down, the White House erased the visitor logs for that time period from their website, and succeeded in getting a judge to allow the logs to be kept secret. At the same time, the IRS was illegally sharing private information on taxpayers with the FBI, seeking ways to prosecute and destroy Obama's enemies. (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/06/obamas-irs-sent-the-fbi-1-1-million-pages-of-taxpayer-documents-an-update.php)
Darrell Issa's House Oversight and Government Reform Committee requested copies of all of Lois Lerner's emails, and was told that the IRS had the legally mandated copies of emails from before the IRS scandal and afterwards, but the critical emails between 2009 and 2011 had been lost due to a hard drive crash! Not only that, the IRS claimed, there were no backups as their tape archive system recycled all tapes after just six months, and the actual physical hard drive had been melted down and destroyed! (http://investmentwatchblog.com/gasps-as-irs-commissioner-admits-missing-lois-lerner-hard-drive-was-melted-down/) Then it emerged that email for six other IRS employees at the heart of the scandal had also been lost! (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/20/irs-boss-faces-cover-up-claims-ahead-hill-hearing-on-missing-emails/)
John Koskinen's testimony before the House Ways & Means Committee basically came down to "The Dog Ate My Emails", infuriating when you consider that the IRS demands all Americans keep all financial records for up to 7 years for possible review by the IRS, while the IRS was free to dispose of embarrassing and criminal evidence at their discretion. Worse, apparently emboldened by Attorney General Eric Holser's steadfast refusal to allow the Department of Justice to open a criminal investigation into the IRS' actions (possibly to to the DOJ's own complicity in siccing the FBI on Obama's enemies), (http://dailycaller.com/2014/05/02/house-gop-obama-holder-undermining-irs-investigation-special-counsel-needed/) Koskinen refused to even apologize for the lost emails, barely able to keep the smirk off of his face!
Then, Friday afternoon, Peter Suderman posted an article at Reason.com that proved the IRS had an ongoing contract with a private company to back up the IRS servers, including the Microsoft Exchange system used to handle the IRS emails! (http://reason.com/blog/2014/06/20/the-irs-had-a-contract-with-an-email-bac?fb_action_ids=880772241952237&fb_action_types=og.likes) This article was an instant sensation and was quickly reported by the Independent Media (http://whatreallyhappened.com/content/irs-had-contract-email-backup-company) on the internet.
Shortly afterwards the original article at Reason.com was taken down, and the URL produced a 404 "file not found" error. But by then it was too late as the original article was already duplicated at my web site (http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/The%20IRS%20Had%20a%20Contract%20With%20an%20Email %20Backup%20Company%20-%20Hit%20&%20Run%20%20%20Reason.com.htm) and other locations. (http://rickmick.com/the-irs-had-a-contract-with-an-email-backup-company/) The copies spreading across the net made it very clear that the report would not be silenced, and realizing that the act of trying to erase the original was propelling the story, the original post was restored to Reason.com later that same day.
More online evidence began to surface of an ongoing contract between the IRS and a company called "Sonasoft" (http://www.sonasoft.com/), whose slogan is "Email archiving done right." The company specializes in archiving emails from Microsoft Exchange Server, confirming that the IRS mail system does not in fact simply store emails on the hard drives of the desktop computers! A solicitation at the General Service Administration's own website (https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=825b8bebf10c63cf580e1aed8deab327&tab=core&_cview=0) (and also archived HERE (http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/Sonasoft%20Software%20Licenses%20and%20Software%20 Maintenance%20Support%20-%20Y8Y184TSA62-000%20%28Archived%29%20-%20Federal%20Business%20Opportunities%20%20Opportu nities.htm)) shows the IRS contracting with Sonasoft in 2008, before the period of the emails sought by Ryan and Issa. Note that the products specified relate to backing up Microsoft Exchange, the IRS' email server! SmartProcure.us showed the IRS as being Sonasoft's top government customer in 2010 (http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/Sonasoft%20_%20Government%20Contracts.pdf), right in the middle of the period Koskinen says the dog ate Lois Lerner's (and six other IRS officials') emails! And Sonasoft's list of customers (http://www.sonasoft.com/company/customers/) (also archived HERE (http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/SonaSoftCustomers.htm)) shows the IRS is still a customer to this very day!
Mr. Koskinen, your pants are on fire!
At this point, the story gets really strange! In addition to preserving and disseminating this information on the independent media, I decided that Darrell Issa's office needed to be informed, so I printed out the hard copy of the original article from Reason.com , filled out a FAx cover sheet, and tried to FAX the information both to Darrell Issa's district office and his Washington DC office. My FAX is built into an HP OfficeJet 8600 Pro, which I purchased just three months ago and which so far has not given me any problems. The first attempt ended when I got an error message saying that the FAX in Issa's DC office cannot handle color. So I switched modes at my end and resent, but as soon as the cover page went through, the FAX failed, with an error message that communications had been interrupted! Oh well, Hawaiian Telco doesn't have the best reputation anyway, so I tried again ... three more times. All failed. Then I tried FAXing to Issa's district office. Three times. Those failed!
I was unable to leave a message using the contact form at Issa's website because my zip code is not in his district, so I went over to the reporting web form at the Committee on Oversight & Government Reform website. (https://wb-gop-oversight.house.gov/)I filled out a report with URLs but it too refused to complete the transmission, failing with "unknown error."
Needless to say in this age of ubiquitous NSA back-dooring of all electronics, I was a bit suspicious so many independent systems seemed to be failing at the same time, so I told my wife I was going to use the FAX at the local Office Depot, then went instead to a local postal box shop, and succeeded in FAXing the information to Darrell Issa's offices on the very first try! Here are the transmission slips.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/SMALL_IssaFAX1.jpgIssa's District office (http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/IssaFAX1.jpg)
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/SMALL_IssaFAX2.jpgIssa's DC office (http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/IssaFAX2.jpg)
So, here we are. The IRS is lying when it says Lois Lerner (and six other IRS officials at the heart of the IRS targeting of Obama's political opponents)'s emails are lost forever and there are no backups. The IRS has an ongoing contract with Sonasoft to back up the IRS Exchange servers that covers the time period of the missing emails.
Now Darrell Issa's office knows the IRS is lying.
And now so do you.
And if the IRS is lying about missing emails and computer drives, then we may presume they have lied about other things, such as the ratification of the 16th Amendment (https://www.thelawthatneverwas.com/), which is their sole justification for the systematic looting of the American people for the last 100 years!

"I think if you were to go back and and try to find and review the ratification of the 16th amendment, which was the internal revenue, the income tax, I think if you went back and examined that carefully, you would find that a sufficient number of states never ratified that amendment." - U.S. District Court Judge James C. Fox, Sullivan Vs. United States, 2003. (http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/SullivanVUSA.pdf) Red Beckman: The 16th Amendment was Never Ratified! - Alex Jones Tv
16th Amendment NEVER ratified by ANY State - Joe Banister
The Tiny Dot

[iOWNme]

Nice!

Do people realize how huge this criminal investigation is? If the IRS gets nailed cold in criminal wrong doing, it could be the collapse of the whole global system.
We could see a tax revolt that would collapse the Fed. No Fed collection agency, no Fed!

One thing that bothers me about the reporting of this, that everyone is focused on the emails and not a soul has questioned what else was lost in the so called hard drive crash. Learner had a lot of business she undoubtely did on her computer that should have been backed up, reports, etc. I would think the business related files would have been more important for the IRS to have lost.



The issue here isnt if someone from the IRS lied. The issue here isnt if some emails were 'destroyed'. The issue isnt if some emails have been 'backed up'. The issue here isnt if some 'bad apples' are working at the IRS.

The real issue here is if the IRS has the moral right to confiscate wealth under threat of violence. Until people get to the core moral principle of this issue, NOTHING is going to change. Do you actually think that people will change their mind about 'taxation' and the IRS because some lady lied and hid her emails?

The problem exists between the ears of 200 million 'taxpayers' who IMAGINE an obligation to obey the largest gang of violent criminals on this planet.

[singular_me]

what we need at this stage (and this because of the sheeple), are several politicians and lawmakers as catalysts to expose this fallacious reality for people to make up their OWN minds.

on youtube page of that OP video: Gowdy DESTROYS The IRS - Hints at ending the IRS . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpyVdqitrCU

[EE_]

The issue here isnt if someone from the IRS lied. The issue here isnt if some emails were 'destroyed'. The issue isnt if some emails have been 'backed up'. The issue here isnt if some 'bad apples' are working at the IRS.

The real issue here is if the IRS has the moral right to confiscate wealth under threat of violence. Until people get to the core moral principle of this issue, NOTHING is going to change. Do you actually think that people will change their mind about 'taxation' and the IRS because some lady lied and hid her emails?

The problem exists between the ears of 200 million 'taxpayers' who IMAGINE an obligation to obey the largest gang of violent criminals on this planet.

That's what makes you think everyone in the media is in on the scam.

My point is that if the IRS is found to have committed illegal acts and is found to be corrupt, it may wake many more people up to the fraudulent IRS. People don't like the IRS now, what will they say if they're caught abusing their fraudulent power? Tax revolt?

Another thing people don't seem to put together is that Jews run both the Federal Reserve and their collection agency the IRS.
The six million pound elephant in the room. David Copperfield couldn't have pulled off a better illusion.

[madfranks]

Now Darrell Issa's office knows the IRS is lying.
And now so do you.

What is this supposed to be some big revelation, that the IRS is a lying, thieving organization? Who doesn't know this by now?

[iOWNme]

Another thing people don't seem to put together is that Jews run both the Federal Reserve and their collection agency the IRS.
The six million pound elephant in the room. David Copperfield couldn't have pulled off a better illusion.

I dont know about you, but i dont really give a fuck what skin color or religion my oppressor is. Would you rather be bossed around and your money stolen by someone who matches your own skin color? Maybe someone who has the same religion?

Do you think if we put white patriotic Christians into the IRS, we would somehow be more 'free'?

[7th trump]

I dont know about you, but i dont really give a fuck what skin color or religion my oppressor is. Would you rather be bossed around and your money stolen by someone who matches your own skin color? Maybe someone who has the same religion?

Do you think if we put white patriotic Christians into the IRS, we would somehow be more 'free'?

You're money isn't stolen if you are referring to the federal income tax.
The federal income tax is basically voluntary just as the courts have said for many many years....that is social security is voluntary..not paying the taxes associated with voluntary participation of social security.
But hey ...we all know you refuse to listen to logic and law...instead play silly games of owning yourself and try and get people to buy into your crap.

[Shami-Amourae]

This is all so fucking stupid and a show. Who here seriously thinks for one second any of these people at the IRS will go to jail or get in trouble? They are ABOVE THE LAW.

Laws only apply to little people OUR MASTERS don't care for.

[gunDriller]

Nice!

Do people realize how huge this criminal investigation is? If the IRS gets nailed cold in criminal wrong doing, it could be the collapse of the whole global system.


as with most investigations of TPTB by agencies they run ... you see where this is going.

Confucius say ...
fox guarding henhouse syndrome could result in few scapegoats.

[iOWNme]

You're money isn't stolen if you are referring to the federal income tax.

Contradiction #1.

Whats the definition of stealing?

So you refuse to debate me live so the world can see your contradictions, yet you cannot let a single post of mine go without giving me your 'Law' hallucinations. This proves that i am making an impact on you. If i wasnt you would ignore me. Thank you for the compliment.




The federal income tax is basically voluntary just as the courts have said for many many years....that is social security is voluntary..not paying the taxes associated with voluntary participation of social security.

Contradiction #2.

What exactly is basically voluntary? LOL Statism has warped your perspective of reality beyond any human comprehension. You dont even know what the word 'Voluntary' means. :)



But hey ...we all know you refuse to listen to logic and law...instead play silly games of owning yourself and try and get people to buy into your crap.

Contradiction #3.

You used 'logic' and 'law' in the same sentence. That is like using 'rape' and 'love' in the same sentence. You CONSTANTLY blame the victims of State aggression, and then you have the nerve to try and call other members 'Commies'? You have lost your own ability to think. But your IMAGINATION is running wild! LMAO!

Again, i bet you more death and destruction of innocent people has been done in the name of the 'Law' than what has been done in spite of it. So forgive me when you use the term 'logic' and 'law' in the same sentence. You have a contradiction soup of dry water and square chicken eggs inside your head. And when someone like me attempts to point them out, you drool like Pavlov's dog in anticipation of doing what your Masters tell you: Attack anyone who points out the obvious, The STATE is and always will be illegitimate.

[singular_me]

trash the messenger, call him a nut conspiracy theorist!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sr1ONPZFS9g


This is all so fucking stupid and a show. Who here seriously thinks for one second any of these people at the IRS will go to jail or get in trouble? They are ABOVE THE LAW.

Laws only apply to little people OUR MASTERS don't care for.

[madfranks]

If 7th Trump thinks the income tax is voluntary, then I agree he doesn't know the meaning of the word!!!

[Dogman]

If 7th Trump thinks the income tax is voluntary, then I agree he doesn't know the meaning of the word!!!

About as "voluntary" as breathing when it comes to any income generated! The irs has this thing and a real hard on about any under the table income generated. They hate it!

7th recently has posted a bunch of things I do agree with, but this "voluntary" thing is a load of crap!

Ether you are working directly having taxes drawn at the time or you "contract" and then are expected to pay the tax yourself.

Or all work if off the "books" and cash only and even personal checks as payment avoided.

That is it , unless one barters labor for goods and even then the "gov" wants a tax!

[Glass]

income tax is voluntary, compliance is mandatory.

[Dogman]

income tax is voluntary, compliance is mandatory.

Turnaround is mandatory compliance as most of us poor slobs have learned. To keep a huge gorilla from screwing you dry!

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