There May Be An Ancient Earth Inside Earth, Say Harvard Scientists

[singular_me]

Hypothesis of Hallow Earth to become mainstream?
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If you thought it was a trip to see the Earth from space, then wait until you get a load of this: A team of scientists from Harvard University believe that have found evidence that an ancient Earth exists inside the Earth.

The team believes that a previously unexplained isotopic ratio from deep within the Earth might be a signal from material from before the Earth collided with another planet-sized body, which led to the creation of the Moon. This might be an echo of an ancient Earth that existed 4.5 billion years ago, prior to the proposed collision.

The current favored theory says that the Moon was formed 4.5 billion years ago when the Earth collided with a mass the size of Mars, dubbed “Theia.” This theory states that the heat generated by the collision would have melted the whole planet before some of the debris spun off to create the Moon.

But now, the team at Harvard, led by Associate Professor Sujoy Mukhopadhyay, believe that they’ve found evidence to support that only part of the Earth melted, and that an ancient part still exists within the Earth’s mantle.

According to Professor Mukhopadhyay: “The energy released by the impact between the Earth and Theia would have been huge, certainly enough to melt the whole planet. But we believe that the impact energy was not evenly distributed throughout the ancient Earth. This means that a major part of the impacted hemisphere would probably have been completely vaporized, but the opposite hemisphere would have been partly shielded, and would not have undergone complete melting.”

Read more at http://higherperspective.com/2014/06/may-ancient-earth-inside-earth-say-harvard-scientists.html#Dsmpe2IF22BSKhUg.99



Scientists may have identified echoes of ancient Earth
Jun 09, 2014
A group of scientists believe that a previously unexplained isotopic ratio from deep within the Earth may be a signal from material from the time before the Earth collided with another planet-sized body, leading to the creation of the Moon. This may represent the echoes of the ancient Earth, which existed prior to the proposed collision 4.5 billion years ago. This work is being presented at the Goldschmidt conference in Sacramento, California.

The currently favoured theory says that the Moon was formed 4.5 billion years ago, when the Earth collided with a Mars-sized mass, which has been given the name "Theia". According to this theory, the heat generated by the collision would have caused the whole planet to melt, before some of the debris cooled and spun off to create the Moon.

Now however, a group of scientists from Harvard University believe that they have identified a sign that only part of the Earth melted, and that an ancient part still exists within the Earth's mantle.

According to lead researcher Associate Professor Sujoy Mukhopadhyay (Harvard): "The energy released by the impact between the Earth and Theia would have been huge, certainly enough to melt the whole planet. But we believe that the impact energy was not evenly distributed throughout the ancient Earth. This means that a major part of the impacted hemisphere would probably have been completely vaporised, but the opposite hemisphere would have been partly shielded, and would not have undergone complete melting".


Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2014-06-scientists-echoes-ancient-earth.html#jCp

[aeondaze]

Hypothesis of Hallow Earth to become mainstream?

ahaha, thats not what their saying, lol...that is funny that you think that...:p

[singular_me]

I know is not what they are saying... but there is no smoke without fire... and thats what I meant... could take another 50 years before the mainstream considers the possibility.


ahaha, thats not what their saying, lol...that is funny that you think that...:p

Edmond Halley, FRS was an English astronomer, geophysicist, mathematician....

17th and 18th centuries
Edmond Halley's hypothesis.

Edmond Halley in 1692[20] put forth the idea of Earth consisting of a hollow shell about 800 km (500 mi) thick, two inner concentric shells and an innermost core, about the diameters of the planets Venus, Mars, and Mercury. Atmospheres separate these shells, and each shell has its own magnetic poles. The spheres rotate at different speeds. Halley proposed this scheme in order to explain anomalous compass readings. He envisaged the atmosphere inside as luminous (and possibly inhabited) and speculated that escaping gas caused the Aurora Borealis.[21]

wikipedia


UCL DEPARTMENT OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY STUDIES
THE HOLLOW WORLD OF EDMOND HALLEY
(1. E. Halley, “An account of the cause of the change of the variation of the magnetical needle with an hypothesis of the structure of the internal parts of the Earth”, Philosophical transac*tions, xvi (1692), 563-87. The paper was read to the Royal Society on 25 November 1691.)
http://dioi.org/kn/halleyhollow.htm


You and I do NOT research topics the same way... ahaha...

[aeondaze]

If its hollow, why is it SO hot down a mine...?

o)(~

[singular_me]

the problem with the academia is that many scientists have worked on underground ideas/concepts/theories and their works never released to the mainstream. How does it come that only conspiracy theorists/alernative researchers are aware of this?

The paper was read to the Royal Society on 25 November 1691
Halley's hollow earth hypothesis is 300+ year old.

To me it is clear that mainstream academia is now willing to throw the hypothesis out there... it is a first step


Jan Lamprecht - The Hollow Earth (cost to coast)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gib209Q8-MM





If its hollow, why is it SO hot down a mine...?

o)(~

from link above....

Internal Structure of the Earth

From the study of magnetic compass variations, Halley by 1683 had reached the quite original conclusion that the Earth possessed four magnetic poles (11). He described in the Philosophical transactions of that year how two of these poles were located in the “Southern ocean” and the two northern ones were in the Bering Strait and Spitzbergen (12). However he could not account for the existence of multiple poles, nor their gradual displacement with time, acknowledging that the latter depended on “secrets as yet utterly unknown to Mankind” (13).

Various attempts had been made to account for the gradual motion of the lines of magnetic declination by a few minutes of arc each year, as this had great relevance to navigation.(14) Descartes for example had suggested that such motion was due to physical accretion and movement of iron ore deposits (15), but Halley realized during his 1676 voyage to St Helena that no theory depending on surface deposits of iron could explain the compass variations. Henry Bond claimed to be able to predict secular changes in terrestrial magnetism, and in 1674 the King set up a committee to investigate this claim (16). Robert Hooke, who was a member of the committee, proposed in 1674 that the magnetic poles were moving in a circular path at 10° from the geographic poles, possibly rotating once in 370 years (17).

Halley had gathered much data on the subject from his voyage to St Helena, as he also had from the unpublished manuscripts of Peter Perkins. Perkins had been researching this topic and addressed the Royal Society on the subject in 1680 some months before his death. Halley purchased Perkins’s papers on the variation of geomagnetism immediately following the latter’s demise (18).While it is true that Halley never acknowledged this, it is equally true that nothing has substantiated Flamsteed’s allegation that components of Halley’s theory de*rived from Perkins. Perkins was developing a theory of his own to account for the variation, as was indicated in his address to the Royal Society, but it is hard to discern any resemblance to that developed by Halley (19). The first part of Halley’s 1692 essay commented on the inadequacy of existing theories, conclud*ing that something deep below Earth’s surface must be causing the phenomenon.

Halley had been much involved with the production of the Principia, and it now seemed to provide him with a key. Its estimate of the Earth/Moon mass ratio suggested to him that the Earth was hollow. How else could that ratio be explained? The germ of the idea may have dawned upon him while reading Burnet’s Sacred theory of the Earth which had appeared (in Latin) in 1681. This assigned hollow cavities to the Earth, catacombs and subterranean grottoes, but did so in a traditional mode in accord with classic myth and lore (20). The tenor of Burnet’s vision was, as Schaffer has observed (21), in stark contrast to that of Halley.


If there was such an ether-drag from space, it was not at once evident to Halley what effect this would have. If it caused the Moon to fall nearer to the Earth, then this would have to be accompanied by an acceleration in its orbit, not a retardation. In 1693, Halley published a paper suggesting that mediaeval eclipses were occurring slightly later in time than would have been expected (31). Halley saw in these temporal displacements evidence for his theory that the Moon was accelerating in its monthly orbit and was gradually drawing nearer to the Earth. His discovery came to be called ‘secular acceleration’. In 1694, Newton told him that the Earth’s mass was increasing due to such things as the tails of comets falling upon it, from which Halley found support for his view of the Moon as being pulled ever closer to the Earth, and thereby accelerated (32).

It was a century-and-a-half before astronomers realized that the converse was the case: the Moon is in fact decelerating in its monthly orbit as it gradually recedes from Earth (33). Halley’s final argument over the Earth/Moon density needs to be seen within this context: as part of his quest for the grit in the cosmic clockwork whereby he could avoid the charge of asserting “the eternity of the world”.

[aeondaze]

You can bawl all you want. Still haven't answered the questrion...

WHY IS IT SO HOT DOWN IN A MINE?

Here is a laughable quote form your so called 'proof'


He envisaged the atmosphere inside as luminous (and possibly inhabited) and speculated that escaping gas caused the Aurora Borealis.

Thats how out of date this so called theory is, lol

1691, and you want everyone to think this is some how relevant today, lol. Thats some funny shit right there..

:p

[JohnQPublic]

And you have issues with goecentrism?

[singular_me]

not really, because in my view it could very well be that the same observation/assertion made by the Principle could be applied to any planet, star, galaxy, as I go by the Holographic Universe.


And you have issues with goecentrism?

[Santa]

"Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst"... Within. Hmmm,
Maybe God's Kingdom of Heaven is actually within the earth and when we die our life energy, or soul, being ethereally vaporous, seeps down through the earth's mantle to eventually be reunited with the one true light. :)

[Dogman]

Gaia!

[singular_me]

listen to Jan Lamprecht then aks questions, questions that will be based on an offered possible bigger picture .Considering that you bash anything I could say, I cannot resolve in 1 answer days of researching the subject myself.

You claim to be so pro-science that when you come an alternative point of view, you show a mental block instead of curiosity.

plz note that Lamprecht contends that all planets may be hollow. not just earth.
1h presentation ... @34min, origin of lava

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgJDm5g1QPc

The true history of our planet/manking has been concealed... just look at what happens today with the news media... all lies... nothing new, it has always been this way


You can bawl all you want. Still haven't answered the questrion...

WHY IS IT SO HOT DOWN IN A MINE?

Here is a laughable quote form your so called 'proof'



Thats how out of date this so called theory is, lol

1691, and you want everyone to think this is some how relevant today, lol. Thats some funny shit right there..

:p

[Glass]

interesting timing. I got side tracked somewhere during the week and ended up at one of those germans discovered the hollow earth under Antarctica during WWII stories. There were some interesting documents there. Some letters between germans, one who was on the expedition and one who was not. There were also some directions on how to get there. It seems it was an underwater passage what was maybe 400 nautical miles that they had to navigate. The directions included instructions on when to dive, how to dive, because they add pitch and roll to swing about as they maneuver. How far to go after each maneuver before changing direction again. That would be difficult when you can't see anything.

Someone on board drew some diagrams of what the shape of the passage would be like. Anyway it seems this underwater passage was hundreds of miles long running under the ice and land mass. Don't know how they found it or knew there was a way to go through with a sub. It did lead to some huge unknown space. Inner earth? Who knows.

[singular_me]

old Tibetan drawing of hollow earth... ???

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-McJ9qgqCUPk/Tu7DAst-0tI/AAAAAAAAA5o/y33HhgYjICE/s1600/Tibetan%2Bsymbol%2Bof%2BAgharta%2Bor%2Binner%2Bear th.jpg

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LEONHARD EULER (1707-1783)

Leonhard Euler is considered as one of the greatest mathematician of all time. He stated that "mathematically the Earth has to be hollow" and that a centered sun provides daylight to a subterranean world.

[Glass]

yes that looks more like but I think it's a sandscrit.

I got to reading this interesting tale. http://ourhollowearth.com/GermanU-209.htm

It talks of a guy called Colonel Billie Woodard. He seems to be at the centre of a tale about a letter from hollow earth from someone on the U boat that found it. Letter here: http://ourhollowearth.com/germanletterinenglish.gif

I think it is fake based on the language. There is a link to a Bio for the guy who had the letter near the bottom of the page. I'll let everyone draw their own conclusions.

This was probably where I was. http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/02/german-hollow-earth-expedition-pictures-docs-2571200.html

A mix of different photos which don't seem like they are all related to the story but there are also the maps and the diagram of the passage, even ufo's. This topic always reminds me of the old movie.

[Cebu_4_2]

interesting timing. I got side tracked somewhere during the week and ended up at one of those germans discovered the hollow earth under Antarctica during WWII stories. There were some interesting documents there. Some letters between germans, one who was on the expedition and one who was not. There were also some directions on how to get there. It seems it was an underwater passage what was maybe 400 nautical miles that they had to navigate. The directions included instructions on when to dive, how to dive, because they add pitch and roll to swing about as they maneuver. How far to go after each maneuver before changing direction again. That would be difficult when you can't see anything.

Someone on board drew some diagrams of what the shape of the passage would be like. Anyway it seems this underwater passage was hundreds of miles long running under the ice and land mass. Don't know how they found it or knew there was a way to go through with a sub. It did lead to some huge unknown space. Inner earth? Who knows.

I find this interesting, how far could their submarines go at the time? Depth and distance. I find it very interesting that Google Earth and others kinda block out certain areas of both the N and S. pole. You know if there wasn't anything special it wouldn't be blocked out unless it had a strategic area to fuck up other areas.

[Cebu_4_2]

Also how did they map out the world in the 1300s or whatever (I dont remember but it was before flying machines)

[Glass]

I find this interesting, how far could their submarines go at the time? Depth and distance. I find it very interesting that Google Earth and others kinda block out certain areas of both the N and S. pole. You know if there wasn't anything special it wouldn't be blocked out unless it had a strategic area to fuck up other areas.

thats a good point because they were diesel electric so they needed to surface to charge their batteries. I didn't add up the distances measured but there were some distances of a couple hundred nautical miles each so guessing 400+ total journey.


maybe they cant get a shot of those areas due to some kind of orbit anomaly? I've never looked at either pole sat images.

[Horn]

You have I do NOT research topics the same way... ahaha...

You should be able to know by now when aeon gives you a Love tap,

Its like I've been here before...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOKBGP1Ej6Y

[Horn]

And you have issues with goecentrism?

issues, lol!

like it would make a bit o' difference in this our real world.

Just as every thing spins, so to does it not wind out in one direction.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCzg-RPKsHY


The entrance to the inner heart of TMP's monstrous space-urchin follows the organic motif established so impressively in Douglas Trumbull's (perhaps excessively-used) footage of V'Ger. The thing is, it's very hard to tell how that organic aperture is actually working. Is it an iris of some kind or are the 'petals' actually changing shape? Truth is that the gate segments are actually cones spinning in unison. Since the camera remains perpendicular to the circular bases of the cones, the secret is hard to guess.

Read more: http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/177951/top_50_movie_special_effects_shots.html#ixzz35zCTe NVb


Third law

“
The square (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_(algebra)) of the orbital period (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_period) of a planet is directly proportional (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proportionality_(mathematics)) to the cube (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cube_(arithmetic)) of the semi-major axis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-major_axis) of its orbit.
”


The third law, published by Kepler in 1619, captures the relationship between the distance of planets from the Sun, and their orbital periods.
Kepler enunciated this third law in a laborious attempt to determine what he viewed as the "music of the spheres (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musica_universalis)" according to precise laws, and express it in terms of musical notation. So it used to be known as the harmonic law.
Mathematically, the law says that the expression
http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/4/3/4/434dee963329c97e78b903eaa84fac01.pnghas the same value for all the planets in the solar system.

[singular_me]

I am aware of all this... did you watch any vids about the admiral Byrd and his antartic exploration with a fleet (several 1000s troopers), 3 Tanks and a Snowmobile? ... (yes they called it an exploration at the time)

edit: was the Byrd military expedition ready to confront the nazis based there and if so what were the nazis doing there (no mainstream history books is speaking of this)... or something else?




interesting timing. I got side tracked somewhere during the week and ended up at one of those germans discovered the hollow earth under Antarctica during WWII stories. There were some interesting documents there. Some letters between germans, one who was on the expedition and one who was not. There were also some directions on how to get there. It seems it was an underwater passage what was maybe 400 nautical miles that they had to navigate. The directions included instructions on when to dive, how to dive, because they add pitch and roll to swing about as they maneuver. How far to go after each maneuver before changing direction again. That would be difficult when you can't see anything.

Someone on board drew some diagrams of what the shape of the passage would be like. Anyway it seems this underwater passage was hundreds of miles long running under the ice and land mass. Don't know how they found it or knew there was a way to go through with a sub. It did lead to some huge unknown space. Inner earth? Who knows.

[singular_me]

I wished you had another interpretation but sooo glad that it is a virtual environment.


You should be able to know by now when aeon gives you a Love tap,

[aeondaze]

I wished you had another interpretation but sooo glad that it is a virtual environment.


You should be able to know by now when aeon gives you a Love tap,

Don't flatter yourselves.

This theory is dead in the water.

Why is it so fucking hot down a fucking stupid deep hole in the ground? Riddle me that, wise ones?:|~

Because the Earths hollow and theres another world boiling away down there at like between 200 and 400 C, minimum? I don't think so.

Other than that, its called a fucking cave. Thats right a C-A-V-E.

Who are we to say there are no more caves to be found, even on the continent of Antartica.

Does that then mean there is a hollow world below boiling away at temperatures that would incinerate a fucking laptop?

HELL NO!>:D

It defies logic, how can anyone NOT see that? It amazes me really...lol

[Cebu_4_2]

Does that then mean there is a hollow world below boiling away at temperatures that would incinerate a fucking laptop?


So I would assume they don't have wireless?

[aeondaze]

So I would assume they don't have wireless?

Maybe not, a huge fucking ball of moleten metal would surely generate some kind of electromagentic interference, wether you want to call it 'wirelesss' or not is up to you..

...oh, thats right!

Its called a magnetic field. o)(~

[singular_me]

gravitation is reversed underneath the earth mantle... nothing stands on the inner sun/magma. I am highly skeptical of any living creatures living there but the hollowness could make sense. There is always something true in myths.

it is just about vortices principles

http://cengizerdem.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/tumblr_ly22u2fode1qlhr87o1_1280.jpg



Don't flatter yourselves.

This theory is dead in the water.

Why is it so fucking hot down a fucking stupid deep hole in the ground? Riddle me that, wise ones?:|~

Because the Earths hollow and theres another world boiling away down there at like between 200 and 400 C, minimum? I don't think so.

Other than that, its called a fucking cave. Thats right a C-A-V-E.

Who are we to say there are no more caves to be found, even on the continent of Antartica.

Does that then mean there is a hollow world below boiling away at temperatures that would incinerate a fucking laptop?

HELL NO!>:D

It defies logic, how can anyone NOT see that? It amazes me really...lol

[aeondaze]

gravitation is reversed underneath the earth mantle...

Not true, and why is this thought necesary in ANY theory, pray tell.

Here is the truth...


The Earth and most of the planets in the Solar System, as well as the Sun and other stars, all generate magnetic fields through the motion of highly conductive fluids.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/Outer_core_convection_rolls.jpg

[singular_me]

were the pix taken before Google obfuscation or it is a Nasa's photoshop patch? Either way it is very strange... which pix to believe: those with or without photophop on the poles?

there is even a hole at the center of each galaxy (in and out jets)... man's vortex is the mouth (in) and the anus(out) :) as above so below clearly makes sense here... from there thinking that the poles are openings is not far stretched at all.


http://www.eytonsearth.org/vortex-form.jpg


https://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/sage/oceanography/lesson4/concepts.html
https://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/sage/oceanography/lesson4/images/arctic_hires.gif

NASA PIC
http://home.comcast.net/~readingnews/Images/NASA-NorthPole-2.jpg

http://www.erks.org/NASA-SouthPole-3.jpg

SAME HOLE
Satellite images show noctilucent clouds in Earth’s upper atmosphere, centered on the North Pole.
http://earthsky.org/earth/view-from-space-early-start-for-noctilucent-clouds



http://uvs-model.com/pictures/Artic_Polar_Vortex.jpg

[Horn]

Here is the truth...The Earth and most of the planets in the Solar System, as well as the Sun and other stars, all generate magnetic fields through the motion of highly conductive fluids.

Truth is the magneto is in the convection layer of a star.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/Sun_poster.svg/1280px-Sun_poster.svg.png


Stellar magnetic fields, according to solar dynamo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_dynamo) theory, are caused within the convective zone of the star. The convective circulation of the conducting plasma functions like a dynamo. This activity destroys the star's primordial magnetic field, then generates a dipolar magnetic field. As the star undergoes differential rotation—rotating at different rates for various latitudes—the magnetism is wound into a toroidal field of "flux ropes" that become wrapped around the star. The fields can become highly concentrated, producing activity when they emerge on the surface

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_magnetic_field

[Horn]

Core function in the magnetic dynamo is not a necessary component to its function.


Toroidal and poloidal


The earliest use of these terms cited by the Oxford English Dictionary (OED) is by Walter M. Elsasser (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_M._Elsasser) (1946) in the context of the generation of the Earth's magnetic field (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_magnetic_field) by currents in the core, with "toroidal" being parallel to lines of latitude and "poloidal" being in the direction of the magnetic field (i.e. towards the poles).
The OED also records the later usage of these terms in the context of toroidally confined plasmas, as encountered inmagnetic confinement fusion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_confinement_fusion). In the plasma context, the toroidal direction is the long way around the torus, the corresponding coordinate being denoted by z in the slab approximation or http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/3/2/0/320c43589fbcdde1af041ee358550ac5.png or http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/7/f/2/7f20aa0b3691b496aec21cf356f63e04.png in magnetic coordinates; the poloidal direction is the short way around the torus, the corresponding coordinate being denoted by y in the slab approximation or http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/5/0/d/50d91f80cbb8feda1d10e167107ad1ff.png in magnetic coordinates. (The third direction, normal to the magnetic surfaces, is often called the "radial direction",

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toroidal_and_poloidal

http://www.efda.org/wpcms/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/7c.jpg

Ps. Don't get sucked into the space vacuum.

[singular_me]

I wanted to start talking of the Torus, but thats maybe for another thread



Core function in the magnetic dynamo is not a necessary component to its function.



http://www.efda.org/wpcms/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/7c.jpg

Ps. Don't get sucked into the space vacuum.

[aeondaze]

At least you fucking clowns have established that the earth ain't hollow...which was my point to begin with.

You keep twisting shit around and around to try and suppport some fucked up theory you cherish and it eventually leads back to you supporting the VERY point I was making...

...asswipes, the lot of you!

[Horn]

jermaindaze moonwalks


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw_GnjE-des

[Horn]

6459

Conehead

[singular_me]

everything in the universe follows the vortex/helical model, aeon

I believe this picture is more accurate
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Eryr2dSThrE/UgPqA3vUXiI/AAAAAAAAAVE/KpIyEKRBeJs/s1600/b2.jpg



Not true, and why is this thought necesary in ANY theory, pray tell.

Here is the truth...



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/Outer_core_convection_rolls.jpg

[singular_me]

good one Horn, here we can really see the magnetic fields also working in reverse. For magnetism to work, a counter field must exist, a double/dual torus is needed



6459

Conehead

[singular_me]

you completely missread me, my point is to establish that poles may be, could be openings....




At least you fucking clowns have established that the earth ain't hollow...which was my point to begin with.

You keep twisting shit around and around to try and suppport some fucked up theory you cherish and it eventually leads back to you supporting the VERY point I was making...

...asswipes, the lot of you!

[Horn]

you completely missread me, my point is to establish that poles may be, could be openings....

Physically there's nothing in magnetic field or gravity theory preventing your hollow Earth theory, singular_me.

For that you win some creamhorns. :)

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_WyhAv6numhs/S_YmdlEyHaI/AAAAAAAAFE0/1sLVjxdsfDY/s1600/P5170270.JPG

[Horn]

you completely missread me, my point is to establish that poles may be, could be openings....

Or at least one end.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/A%2BO.svg/300px-A%2BO.svg.png


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDhb67ZBF64


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WntvLQgll4M

[Neuro]

I wouldnt rule out earth is hollow... However probably if it is the hollow part isn't to big proportionally, maybe a thousand kilometer across...

[Glass]

I think these ancient diagrams are too simplistic. The idea is for them to convey a concept but they are probably not to be taken as a surveyed map. I don't think any of us can read the text so it's all greek to me.

Is the world like journey to the centre of the earth? Would be amazing if it were, but it's probably just got a lot of voids throughout the mass. I remember seeing those caverns in Brazil or somewhere there. Monumental is size. I was impressed by the complex path the Germans apparently took through the underwater passages in their sub.

I think Byrd expedition was right time right place. When better to mobilize a sizable crew and get access to the best gear available for the time. And low cost no doubt. I expect it was probably the same story on both sides. Got access to huge resources and advanced tech machinery. Go for it.

[aeondaze]

I wouldnt rule out earth is hollow... However probably if it is the hollow part isn't to big proportionally, maybe a thousand kilometer across...

Its physically impossible for the Earth to be hollow, even in the smaller size you suggest. A change in mass of that size would have a corresponding reduction in gravity. Gravity measurements, seismic measurements, heat transfer calculations and even proof from 12 km down a hole all reinforce the idea that the earth is largely a solid mass oustside of a thing called a cave.

I can't even begin to imagine why one would even choose to consider it probable. :confused:

[Neuro]

Its physically impossible for the Earth to be hollow, even in the smaller size you suggest. A change in mass of that size would have a corresponding reduction in gravity. Gravity measurements, seismic measurements, heat transfer calculations and even proof from 12 km down a hole all reinforce the idea that the earth is largely a solid mass oustside of a thing called a cave.

I can't even begin to imagine why one would even choose to consider it probable. :confused:
Assuming one knows the specific density of the different materials involved making up the core and mantle, which we don't... Or do you mean a hollow object of equal mass and size would exhert its gravity somehow different compared to a solid object?

[aeondaze]

Assuming one knows the specific density of the different materials involved making up the core and mantle, which we don't... Or do you mean a hollow object of equal mass and size would exhert its gravity somehow different compared to a solid object?

Your first statement isn't true in even in the slightest. We know shitloads about crustal composition and density from seismic messurements.

Yes, on object of less mass exerts a proportionaly smaller gravitational pull.

From Newtions law of gravitation..

http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/f/1/1/f11b8cd9107344952871516fe24ee863.png

therefore, a reduction in M, or mass is directly proportional to a recution in gravity, g.

We know the mass of the Earth is 5.97219 × 10^24 kilograms.

We know the volume of the Earth is 1.08321 × 10^21 cubic metres

Therefore the average density is 5.513 metric tons per cubic meter or 5.513 g/cm3

And it makes TOTAL sense, what is the density of water? 1 g/cm3

What is the density of granite? 2.75 g/cm3

What is the density of Iron? 7.87 g/cm3

What is the density of say, nickel? 7.81 g/cm3

What is the density of air? 0.00127 g/cm3

5.5 g/cm3 sounds just about right I'd say...

No, the earth is NOT hollow.:(

To wit,


Earth was discovered to have a solid inner core distinct from its liquid outer core in 1936, by the seismologist Inge Lehmann,[4] who deduced its presence from observations of earthquake-generated seismic waves that reflect off the boundary of the inner core and can be detected by sensitive seismographs on the Earth's surface. This boundary is known as the Bullen discontinuity,[5] or sometimes as the Lehmann discontinuity.[6] A few years later, in 1940, it was hypothesized that this inner core was made of solid iron; its rigidity was confirmed in 1971.[7]

The outer core was determined to be liquid from observations showing that compressional waves pass through it, but elastic shear waves do not – or do so only very weakly.[8] The solidity of the inner core had been difficult to establish because the elastic shear waves that are expected to pass through a solid mass are very weak and difficult for seismographs on the Earth's surface to detect, since they become so attenuated on their way from the inner core to the surface by their passage through the liquid outer core. Dziewonski and Gilbert established that measurements of normal modes of vibration of Earth caused by large earthquakes were consistent with a liquid outer core.[9] Recent claims that shear waves have been detected passing through the inner core were initially controversial, but are now gaining acceptance.

[Neuro]

Your first statement isn't true in even in the slightest. We know shitloads about crustal composition and density from seismic messurements.

Yes, on object of less mass exerts a proportionaly smaller gravitational pull.

From Newtions law of gravitation..

http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/f/1/1/f11b8cd9107344952871516fe24ee863.png

therefore, a reduction in M, or mass is directly proportional to a recution in gravity, g.

We know the mass of the Earth is 5.97219 × 10^24 kilograms.

We know the volume of the Earth is 1.08321 × 10^21 cubic metres

Therefore the average density is 5.513 metric tons per cubic meter or 5.513 g/cm3

And it makes TOTAL sense, what is the density of water? 1 g/cm3

What is the density of granite? 2.75 g/cm3

What is the density of Iron? 7.87 g/cm3

What is the density of say, nickel? 7.81 g/cm3

What is the density of air? 0.00127 g/cm3

5.5 g/cm3 sounds just about right I'd say...

No, the earth is NOT hollow.:(

To wit,
Crustal composition has nothing to do with mantel composition or core composition. They just found this new mineral Ringwoodite I believe its name was believed to be from the mantle of earth, with it's ability to hold onto 1.7% of water, it is hypothesized to hold onto 3 or was it 10 times all the water in Earths oceans?. The fact is that no-one has a clue of what the core is made up of...

[aeondaze]

Crustal composition has nothing to do with mantel composition or core composition. They just found this new mineral Ringwoodite I believe its name was believed to be from the mantle of earth, with it's ability to hold onto 1.7% of water, it is hypothesized to hold onto 3 or was it 10 times all the water in Earths oceans?. The fact is that no-one has a clue of what the core is made up of...

If they don't have a clue why is it accepted that the earths core consists of a fero-nickel alloy. Thats because they DO have a clue and they have the data to back up the assumption.

Sure they've found ringwoodite in the US and then extrpolated that over the rest of the earth.

They used the word COULD, not IS or even LIKELY.

Besides, the discusion turned to the idea of a hollow earth from a complete barstardisation of the intial article by certain obtuse neophytes that conclude 'science' may be coming around to the idea of a hollow earth.

The earth is not hollow. There is no proof this is the case, even the article ITSELF is proof the earth is not hollow...

As I maintain, I can't begin to imagine what would drive one to even consider probable that the earths hollow.o)(~

[Neuro]

If they don't have a clue why is it accepted that the earths core consists of a fero-nickel alloy. Thats because they DO have a clue and they have the data to back up the assumption.

Sure they've found ringwoodite in the US and then extrpolated that over the rest of the earth.

They used the word COULD, not IS or even LIKELY.

Besides, the discusion turned to the idea of a hollow earth from a complete barstardisation of the intial article by certain obtuse neophytes that conclude 'science' may be coming around to the idea of a hollow earth.

The earth is not hollow. There is no proof this is the case, even the article ITSELF is proof the earth is not hollow...

As I maintain, I can't begin to imagine what would drive one to even consider probable that the earths hollow.o)(~
First of all I didn't say it was probable I said it wasn't impossible. Second the volume of a hollow inside the inner core of 1000 km is very small compared to the entire volume of earth which has a diameter of 12,000 km relatively its volume would be 1/12^3, or about 0.06% of entire earths volume, so the miniscule mass change could very easily be accounted for with a difference in material composition, or even a difference in density of metals compressed in millions of bars. You could potentially still have a solid core to bounce seismic waves outside of a hypothesized hollow core. Actually you could not have a hollow inner core without a solid core outside of it. The fact is that we know next to nothing about the core of earth or any other planet, so I would prefer to keep the options open. I agree a hollow earth seems counterintuitive, but impossible, no!

[Dogman]

One good thing about our recent spat of threads/posts/topics that turn into head bangers> is they are highly entertaining but more importantly they are educational and make some think and do some research/digging which is all good.

Most will have better understanding of the world around them in all areas of the real/myth/hypotheses of all that is around us.

Are we real or someones/things dreams?

Where is my popcorn!

Kudos!

[Neuro]

One good thing about our recent spat of threads/posts/topics that turn into head bangers> is they are highly entertaining but more importantly they are educational and make some think and do some research/digging which is all good.

Most will have better understanding of the world around them in all areas of the real/myth/hypotheses of all that is around us.

Are we real or someones/things dreams?

Where is my popcorn!

Kudos!
Here, Good Dogman!
http://www.popcorn.org/Portals/0/Images/PopcornKernel.gif

[Dogman]

Here, Good Dogman!
http://www.popcorn.org/Portals/0/Images/PopcornKernel.gif

Thanks dude!

[Neuro]

Thanks dude!
Just got me thinking wouldn't the grammatically correct plural of popcorn be popcorns?

[Horn]

Gravity <> Centrifugal


Like the glued water in a bucket that refuses to spill if one swings the bucket in a fast circle, so too was this same law of motion centrifugal force attempting to hurl all of the material outward from the forming planet’s axis of rotation. So finally, in this silent titanic struggle between two natural forces, a balance was struck. When the swiftly whirling sphere had drawn itself down to an approximately 8000 mile diameter, the compromise between gravitational and centrifugal force was reached. But there is more.

There is a special characteristic of centrifugal force and we must not overlook this important trait. The strength of ’c’ force becomes greatly lessened as it approaches right angles to the direction of spin. A simple day-to-day example of this behavior is water in a basin. If you remove the drain plug and allow the water to start emptying from the basin, what will you eventually observe? A vortex or whirlpool, an empty space surrounded by rapidly rotating material. Now imagine this same principal in action concerning the contracting body which was to become our Earth.

At right angles to the rotational axis, in other words the ’poles’, the c force was considerably weaker than elsewhere, especially the equator, therefore although at the Earth’s equator the c force was able to halt the material’s inward progress at about an 8000 mile diameter, it was considerably less successful in the Polar regions, there stopping the contraction at about 1400 miles. The inevitable outcome of this natural compromise is that our planet concluded its evolution and solidified as an 8000 mile hollow sphere with 1400 mile diameter Polar Openings.


http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tierra_hueca/esp_tierra_hueca_22.htm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpyx7Gu0hos

[Dogman]

Just got me thinking wouldn't the grammatically correct plural of popcorn be popcorns? You could be right , but I will confine my usage of the word to as used by the common herd!

Have any

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-SRnNgNfHXNA/TxXkWWeDypI/AAAAAAAAETM/23Z_dY3a1jA/s1600/orville-redenbacher-logo.jpg

:)


Anyway so much for the derail.


Carry on!

[Horn]

6461


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9R0A-YcPpPA

[aeondaze]

First of all I didn't say it was probable I said it wasn't impossible. Second the volume of a hollow inside the inner core of 1000 km is very small compared to the entire volume of earth which has a diameter of 12,000 km relatively its volume would be 1/12^3, or about 0.06% of entire earths volume, so the miniscule mass change could very easily be accounted for with a difference in material composition, or even a difference in density of metals compressed in millions of bars. You could potentially still have a solid core to bounce seismic waves outside of a hypothesized hollow core. Actually you could not have a hollow inner core without a solid core outside of it. The fact is that we know next to nothing about the core of earth or any other planet, so I would prefer to keep the options open. I agree a hollow earth seems counterintuitive, but impossible, no!

With all due respect, your calculations don't make any sense. As far as I can tell, you just described a three dimensional volume in two dimensions, which is wrong.

If by chance this 'cavity' as you theorise is, 1000 km x 12 km x ? (for example 2 km), and roughly cubic in geometry, then the volume this contains is, 1,000,000 m x 12000m x 2000 m which is 24 x 10^12, which is still not so significant I agree, but it is in relation to density when you figure the differences in density of a void to a solid object are three orders of magnitude.

In relation to seismic measurements, seismologists and geophysicits KNOW when a wave has passed through a void as opposed to solid object, you give them very little credit.

You insist we know 'next to nothing' about the core but this is merely a fallacy.

[singular_me]

ringwoodite is correct, and look like crystals

http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/ringwoodite-mineral-670.jpg

Oceans of Water Locked 400 Miles Inside Earth
http://news.discovery.com/earth/oceans/oceans-of-water-found-locked-deep-inside-earth-140612.htm

Crystal at the center of the earth
http://www.psc.edu/science/Cohen_Stix/cohen_stix.html

------------------
The outer core is composed mostly of liquid iron. The inner core is solid ball about 750 miles in diameter, or a little less than the maximum width of the state of Texas, which formed as the Earth cooled over geologic time, said David Stephenson, a geologist at CalTech.

“The center of the earth is literally a crystal,” said Stephenson. Over time, it grew and now is no longer a single crystal but an aggregate of them.
http://www.wired.com/2010/05/crystals-earth-core/


there is even some truth the the Superman movies... the new-agers into crystal practice may not be so idiotic after all... the science of crystals has been out there for millennia.

4.4 billion-year-old crystal is oldest piece of Earth
February 25, 2014This crystal is a translucent red, Valley said, but glows blue when bombarded with electrons. At 400 micrometers long, its biggest dimension is just a tad larger than a house dust mite, or about four human hairs.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/24/world/oldest-earth-fragment/





Crustal composition has nothing to do with mantel composition or core composition. They just found this new mineral Ringwoodite I believe its name was believed to be from the mantle of earth, with it's ability to hold onto 1.7% of water, it is hypothesized to hold onto 3 or was it 10 times all the water in Earths oceans?. The fact is that no-one has a clue of what the core is made up of...

[singular_me]

Sep 6, 2012
Deep Drilling Record Broken: 7,000 Feet Below Seafloor
"The deep samples are precious, and I am confident that our challenges will extend our systematic understanding of the nature of life and earth."

The goal is to bring up samples from the Earth's mantle, to learn more about the planet's ancient geologic history and to better understand the microbes that live at such depths. The samples also may help understand where hydrocarbons like methane come from and how they are created.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/06/deep-drilling-record-broken-japanese-vessel-chikyu_n_1862242.html

the exploration is only starting, Aeon... earth core is at 4,000 miles deep. What we can analyze from volcanoes/lava is a small % of what remains to be known... forget about math (to avoid the brick wall) every now and then, since all the knowledge isnt available to the public - just yet.

see my previous posting





You insist we know 'next to nothing' about the core but this is merely a fallacy.

[Horn]

Lesson #1: The Earth is NOT a ball of molten lava
The first question everyone asks me when they hear of the Hollow Planet idea is: "Where does lava come from then?" The (completely FALSE) impression schools have created in everyone's minds is that the Earth is this red-hot ball of lava. They then imagine that lava from volcanoes comes from the centre of the Earth.

Ask any geologist or seismologist if this is true and you will discover they disagree. Standard geology and seismology texts tell a different story. Scientists know that most lava is slightly radioactive and they believe it is produced either by decaying radium (decayed uranium) or through stresses in the crust. Lava is created by heat generated within the crust of the Earth. The crust is said to be no more than 20 miles thick, although to be honest nobody has ever actually penetrated the crust so we really do not know what (if anything different) lies beneath it. Scientists will tell you that lava is a crustal phenomenon and all lava comes from no deeper than 20 miles down.

If the Earth were an "ocean of molten lava" then it would actually be subject to tidal pressures and the continents would be broken to pieces as the earth rotated. Scientists say the Earth is actually composed of solid rock for the most part. As you go deeper, the pressures are supposed to be so great that the rock actually flows from extreme pressure. (As you will see, even this may not be really true). But nowhere in modern geology or seismology will you see them saying the Earth is a ball of molten lava.

In fact, the final proof comes from seismology itself. When an earthquake occurs, seismic waves travel out in all directions throughout all the earth. There are two types of seismic waves: Pand S. Based on this, scientists know that all of the earth is actually quite RIGID and composed only of rock. The only partial exception is the Outer core. Take a look the seismic diagram below.

If the earth were truly molten, then seismic waves would be considerably dampened down. So the fact that seismic waves can travel through and around the earth shows that it is mostly completely rigid and solid.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_tierrahueca/P_1.gif

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tierra_hueca/esp_tierra_hueca_9.htm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cquvA_IpEsA

[singular_me]

The Earth is NOT a ball of molten lava... If the Earth were an "ocean of molten lava" then it would actually be subject to tidal pressures and the continents would be broken to pieces as the earth rotated....

I have been thinking of this many times, real long lasting theories do not come out of math but intuitive understanding first, which math confirm rationally. Sciences much too often works the other way round. This is the pitfall of academia.

awesome video Horn...

[Cebu_4_2]

But the Earth expanded. So why wouldn't there be room inside?


http://youtu.be/7kL7qDeI05U

[aeondaze]

The goal is to bring up samples from the Earth's mantle, to learn more about the planet's ancient geologic history and to better understand the microbes that live at such depths. the exploration is only starting, Aeon...

Yes, they are exploring microbial activity and geology, not voids. The only void you have any experience with is the huge yawning chasm of your knowledge about science and the very world that surounds you. That hole is bigger than any man has found to date, on any planet in any solar system, lol


This is the pitfall of academia.

On and on you go, but you don't know the first fucking thing about academia to be commenting in the first place. Who the fuck do you think you are, you're just a fucking ignorant piece of shit upstart that childishly grabs onto any remotely sensationalist theory, however wrong it is.

You're a pure disinforamtion agent, nobody could be as stupid as you. Your brief, spread idiocy and discord throughout the fabric of society and destroy rational observation based methodology

You can have your stupid fucking mussings, just know that I'll always stand against you and your nitwit theories.

Who the fuck are you again? Nobody thats who, so don't forget it.

You got some nerve thinking that you have answers to questions that men who've spend their whole lives dedicated to studying.

There is no proof the earth is remotely hollow, brush off geophysics at your peril. It is a highly complex and powerful field, to think they don't know where a void is or isn't is preposterous and only highlights ignorance.

[singular_me]

Aeon, thanks for resorting to insults again... WHY dont you address Horn's posting instead?

The Earth is NOT a ball of molten lava... If the Earth were an "ocean of molten lava" then it would actually be subject to tidal pressures and the continents would be broken to pieces as the earth rotated....

what do you have to say about it, me a disinformation agent for bringing up topics that are mind and science challenging. That is what I have been researching for about 10 years and I will not take anything for granted from the mainstream...

You are so dishonest that when Neuro tells you this (we know close to nothing about earth itself) that you do not insult him, why? You have double standards, it seems :)


WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS? (what dont they talk about it on TV and to High School kids?)
Crystal at the center of the earth
http://www.psc.edu/science/Cohen_Stix/cohen_stix.html

so even when I refer to accredited scientists, you resort to attacks... well, in fact anything that YOU dont agree with.

Cebu has posted an interesting video, did you watched it already? What are your 2 cents here?




Yes, they are exploring microbial activity and geology, not voids. The only void you have any experience with is the huge yawning chasm of your knowledge about science and the very world that surounds you. That hole is bigger than any man has found to date, on any planet in any solar system, lol



On and on you go, but you don't know the first fucking thing about academia to be commenting in the first place. Who the fuck do you think you are, you're just a fucking ignorant piece of shit upstart that childishly grabs onto any remotely sensationalist theory, however wrong it is.

You're a pure disinforamtion agent, nobody could be as stupid as you. Your brief, spread idiocy and discord throughout the fabric of society and destroy rational observation based methodology

You can have your stupid fucking mussings, just know that I'll always stand against you and your nitwit theories.

Who the fuck are you again? Nobody thats who, so don't forget it.

You got some nerve thinking that you have answers to questions that men who've spend their whole lives dedicated to studying.

There is no proof the earth is remotely hollow, brush off geophysics at your peril. It is a highly complex and powerful field, to think they don't know where a void is or isn't is preposterous and only highlights ignorance.

[aeondaze]

I do whatever the fuck i want, you do get that don't you?

Listening to you wine on and on about dumb shit is enough, I don't jump through hoops just because you say so.

The real story is you've completely derailed your own thread chasing your stupid fuck'n tale, you do see that, right?

You tried to tie the OP story into some bullshit about a hollow earth when the article has NOTHING to do with it .

THE ARTICEL HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR UNPROVEN FANTASIES ABOUT A HOLLOW EARTH. PERIOD, you should just admit this and shut the fuck up.

[singular_me]

No derailment. As a matter of fact, presenting other unusual theories should make you/we wonder about what you/we think you know. if the core of the planet is a crystal, which is obviously isnt taught in high schools, why shouldnt we probe as to whether earth is hollow with an OPEN mind and leave the door ajar to that possibility?

6459


I do whatever the fuck i want, you do get that don't you?

Listening to you wine on and on about dumb shit is enough, I don't jump through hoops just because you say so.

The real story is you've completely derailed your own thread chasing your stupid fuck'n tale, you do see that, right?

You tried to tie the OP story into some bullshit about a hollow earth when the article has NOTHING to do with it .

THE ARTICEL HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR UNPROVEN FANTASIES ABOUT A HOLLOW EARTH. PERIOD, you should just admit this and shut the fuck up.

[aeondaze]

You do as you like, I don't give a fuck. Just don't go around thinking that everybody sholud cherish the same deluded views as yourself.

I for one, will NEVER!

The fact is you derailed your OWN stupid thread, trying to rope the OP into some stupid theory of yours, and continue to!

I just happen to find EVERY SINGLE ONE of your theories outlandish, dull and beyond redilculous.

You have no proof for ANY of this.

I have seen the paper on the crystal, theres a reason its not talked about in high schoold, and thats because it is a TENTATIVE theory, but I don't expect you to understand how logic and reason govern the world of science.

Besides, that crystal theory is not proof the world is hollow. Get fucking real!

[Horn]

Let us join now in a moment of solace for our tormented brothers and sisters.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k49yMJE8jyg

[Horn]

Now that we've joined in heavenly chorus for our fallen brothers upon the crossbar of "modern science".

Let us walk hand in hand thru the Primer Fields together.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOZP9SyKMos

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YYqDoRxV0jU/TdHj2SumwbI/AAAAAAAAACI/fhrh6HAElkM/s1600/Michaelangelos+creation+of+Adam.jpg

[Horn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ti3d3ls5Zg&amp;list=PLMR6UUHrqA3c8vDkkTdpYFRi rCaQyxLly&amp;feature=share&amp;index=17

[singular_me]

cant guess what metronomes have to do with earth, but this is fascinating.

edit: The Primer Fields Part 1, is absolutely a must watch. I am only 15mins into it, it is a vital info for anyone recognizing that electromagnetism is key to understanding matter... right time to rewrite the theory of atomic structure, the current one can go into the trash.

[Horn]

cant guess what metronomes have to do with earth, but this is fascinating.

We are synchronized under the Primer Fields.

Now don't you go stepping out of bounds, singular_me.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX_nMwYa-nw

[aeondaze]

it is a vital info for anyone recognizing that electromagnetism is key to understanding matter... right time to rewrite the theory of atomic structure, the current one can go into the trash.

WORNG, you don't know ANYTHING about the atomic structure to make that statement.

How about you do the right thing instead of the fanciful and put your theories in the trash where they belong, huh?

This has nothing to do with your assertion of the hollow earth bullshit

ANOTHER CLASSIC DERAILMENT BY THE OP.

FAIL

[Horn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LdwhaN9MuY

[Horn]

Zero gravity present at the center of the Earth (mass distributed evenly in molten iron model), wouldn't the heavier iron like to settle somewhere near the convection layer where gravity is increased? Certainly it wouldn't want to settle near a zero gravity core.

[Neuro]

Zero gravity present at the center of the Earth (mass distributed evenly in molten iron model), wouldn't the heavier iron like to settle somewhere near the convection layer where gravity is increased? Certainly it wouldn't want to settle near a zero gravity core.
The gravity of the moon and the sun should tend to pull the iron out from the center. A core of metallic hydrogen has also been proposed

[Neuro]

The gravity of the moon and the sun should tend to pull the iron out from the center. A core of metallic hydrogen has also been proposed
Perhaps earth used to have a core of supercompressed hydrogen and then as moon was torn off the crust and mantle was destabilized allowing earth to expand like a balloon. The ocean floors were maximum 65 million years old...

[Glass]

this whole discussion reminds me of the rescue of Captain Jack Sparrow from the fatherest Gate where Davey Jones locker is located. They sailed off the end of the earth and ended up at some place which seemed to be mostly a white place. I thought it was land of the dead or something.
http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101127053536/pirates/images/thumb/3/30/Worlds_End_art.jpg/225px-Worlds_End_art.jpg

How did they get back from there?

How did they get there? With the Mao Kun Map.
http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110416001553/pirates/images/thumb/4/42/AWETheMapbyJimByrkit.jpg/283px-AWETheMapbyJimByrkit.jpg


The Mao Kun Map, sometimes referred as the navigational charts or the Map to the Land of the Dead, was the map used to locate some of the world's more obscure and mystical places. With no fixed points, this chart was the only guide that took into account the role of chance, fate (http://pirates.wikia.com/wiki/Fate) and the supernatural (http://pirates.wikia.com/wiki/Supernatural) in mortal affairs.
Originally given to the esteemed and great navigator Wu Ling (http://pirates.wikia.com/wiki/Wu_Ling), who was known for going on various journeys to the mysterious gates of the afterlife (http://pirates.wikia.com/wiki/Afterlife), this map was prized above all other charts. It used meridian arcs, equatorial divisions, geographic landmarks and magic keys to guide one's spiritual passage. The map would later be owned by the Pirate Lord (http://pirates.wikia.com/wiki/Pirate_Lord) of Singapore (http://pirates.wikia.com/wiki/Singapore), Sao Feng (http://pirates.wikia.com/wiki/Sao_Feng). After Will Turner (http://pirates.wikia.com/wiki/William_Turner_Jr.) attempted to steal them, Feng would have given the charts to Hector Barbossa (http://pirates.wikia.com/wiki/Hector_Barbossa) and his crew (http://pirates.wikia.com/wiki/Motley_crew), who would take the route to the Farthest Gate (http://pirates.wikia.com/wiki/Farthest_Gate). It soon made its way to Jack Sparrow (http://pirates.wikia.com/wiki/Jack_Sparrow), who used the map in his quest to try and find the Fountain of Youth (http://pirates.wikia.com/wiki/Fountain_of_Youth).



Escaping the Locker

" 'Up is down'...well that's just maddeningly unhelpful. Why are these things never clear?"
―Jack Sparrow (http://pirates.wikia.com/wiki/Jack_Sparrow) on the navigational chart[src] (http://pirates.wikia.com/wiki/Pirates_of_the_Caribbean:_At_World%27s_End)


http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111029171546/pirates/images/thumb/2/20/AWEUpisDown.jpg/325px-AWEUpisDown.jpg


Following the death of Lord (http://pirates.wikia.com/wiki/Lord) Cutler Beckett (http://pirates.wikia.com/wiki/Cutler_Beckett), Barbossa stole the Pearl from Jack once again, with the charts in his possession. Jack anticipated this treachery, so he stole the middle part of Sao Feng's charts from Barbossa and began his quest to find the Fountain of Youth (http://pirates.wikia.com/wiki/Fountain_of_Youth). Barbossa also planned on finding it, but it was postponed because of the loss of the part of the charts. Taking the route of Juan Ponce de León (http://pirates.wikia.com/wiki/Juan_Ponce_de_Le%C3%B3n) on the charts, Jack sailed on a small vessel (http://pirates.wikia.com/wiki/Jack_Sparrow%27s_dinghy) to begin his search for the Fountain
Pirates Wiki: Mao Kun Map (http://pirates.wikia.com/wiki/Mao_Kun_Map)

not sure I can get much more off topic. or am I?

[aeondaze]

Perhaps earth used to have a core of supercompressed hydrogen and then as moon was torn off the crust and mantle was destabilized allowing earth to expand like a balloon. The ocean floors were maximum 65 million years old...

Or maybe the crust is made of a tasty short crust and the core is a delicious diced beef and gravy...mmmm


this whole discussion reminds me of the rescue of Captain Jack Sparrow from the land of the dead.

What are you talking about, you're not involved in the WHOLE discusion jackass, remember you put me on ignore, lol :rolleyes:

[singular_me]

Horn, I can tell when you are passionate about a subject... you rock. Will watch this later when lunching.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LdwhaN9MuY

[aeondaze]

Horn, I can tell when you are passionate by a subject

???? Does this mean he fucks every subject he comes in contact with, lol :p

[singular_me]

watch the The Primer Fields Part 1 video, Aeon... PhD not needed to understand it. It is quite simple as a theory because they experiment it with magnets for us/you to see. There is a series, up to part 6 available and this weekend I am going to download them all.

Plasma theory is rock solid, sorry pal ... another example that just should question what we know about earth. Thats the point.

another plasma theorist that is getting more attention by the day: Keshe

Keshe Magnetic Theory and Devices
Modern Day Tesla - Keshe Foundation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vv_-uIcLbSI

You'd better update your database, and fast!!




WORNG, you don't know ANYTHING about the atomic structure to make that statement.

How about you do the right thing instead of the fanciful and put your theories in the trash where they belong, huh?

This has nothing to do with your assertion of the hollow earth bullshit

ANOTHER CLASSIC DERAILMENT BY THE OP.

FAIL

[singular_me]

watch it.... Strange Reality: Physics of the Hollow Earth - instead of bashing other opinions.


???? Does this mean he fucks every subject he comes in contact with, lol :p

[aeondaze]

watch it.... Strange Reality: Physics of the Hollow Earth - instead of bashing other opinions.

Go pound sand.

You continue to make a mockery of yourself and the material in the intitial post by keeping up this cluster fuck of misunderstandings and outright misrepresentations.

Ringwoodite, remember, not hollow earth douche bag.

The original OP has nothing to do with a hollow earth, even you've admited it, but you tack in on there like its somehow relevant and all your technical neophyte mates jump in compulsively, some who haven't even read ALL the POSTS, with this absolute shame of pseudo-intelectual frotage and pathological denial.

:o

[aeondaze]

another plasma theorist that is getting more attention by the day: Keshe

Keshe Magnetic Theory and Devices
Modern Day Tesla - Keshe Foundation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vv_-uIcLbSI

WARNING

Thread derailment in progress.

http://u4uvoice.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/derailed_train.jpg

[singular_me]

You dont know nothing about the art of discussing, in this thread all that is about earth is fine. And I set the tone when posting the OP

Before I posted about Ringwoodite and the crystal core of the planet, youy didnt know anything about those topics. The upside of all my threads is that they offer alternative explanations and the OPPORTUNITY to people to make up their own minds. You on the other hand, have proven that your creativity and curiosity levels arent that enticing because all you can do is shooting dead any new/ancient arising questions. An atheist believing in the Inquisition. Thats ironic isnt it?

You are in the train, not me :(


Go pound sand.

You continue to make a mockery of yourself and the material in the intitial post by keeping up this cluster fuck of misunderstandings and outright misrepresentations.

Ringwoodite, remember, not hollow earth douche bag.

The original OP has nothing to do with a hollow earth, even you've admited it, but you tack in on there like its somehow relevant and all your technical neophyte mates jump in compulsively, some who haven't even read ALL the POSTS, with this absolute shame of pseudo-intelectual frotage and pathological denial.

:o

[aeondaze]

You dont know nothing about the art of discussing, in this thread all that is about earth is fine. And I set the tone when posting the OP

You're right, I 'dont know nothing' about discussing complete BULLSHIT


Before I posted about Ringwoodite and the crystal core of the planet, youy didnt know anything about those topics.

What does that have to do with ANYTHING. What is utter bullshit is somehow trying to LINK this with the article on RINGWOODITE.

I NEVER claimed to know everything fuck head, unlike you, retarded know it all.

You can be sure as shit though, I've forgotten more than you ever known.:D

[Horn]

Perhaps earth used to have a core of supercompressed hydrogen and then as moon was torn off the crust and mantle was destabilized allowing earth to expand like a balloon. The ocean floors were maximum 65 million years old...

All the gas then escaped, fell back down as oceans at a later time. sounds feasible, think there would be some more evidence of that birth somewhere.. Earth should have some rings.

The electromagnetic wheel in the sky should probably be given more attention as a force explaining planetary creation, gravity being the weak fellow he always was. We are spun into existence, and that energy just doesn't cancel out of the equation.

[Horn]

Ringwoodite, remember, not hollow earth douche bag.

You need to watch the video. He will provide you a bowl with a hole in it, your pottymouth needs relief.

[mick silver]

just if there was a moon we could all say there is a moon base also

[Horn]

Who needs a Hollow Moon base,

when there's already a well documented Hollow moon base on Mars Phobos to move into?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6Hgnz5dnBk

[singular_me]

I NEVER claimed to know everything fuck head, unlike you, retarded know it all.


You dont know nothing about the art of discussing, case proven

I never linked hollow earth to ringwoodite. It is Neuro who came up with it, as an example contending that we knew little about earth. From there I digressed and spoke of crystals and post several links of the earth core being a crystal, what obviously you had no idea about.

This thread is dedicated to all strange facts and hypotheses, challenging theories, related to earth.

... again you behave just like Torquemada.

[Horn]

Excellent presentation.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11UZHzOXqeA

[zap]

Just my 2 cents, I am so sick of opening the home page to have this thread staring me in the face , shut up will ya? the is a earth inside a earth, F --- off crazy bastards you are beyond help.... making a mockery of the site shut uppppp f --ckin ridiculous !

[Horn]

Just my 2 cents, I am so sick of opening the home page to have this thread staring me in the face , shut up will ya? the is a earth inside a earth, F --- off crazy bastards you are beyond help.... making a mockery of the site shut uppppp f --ckin ridiculous !

There's discussion here as to the model form of gravity that has been shoved down our throats for more than a century. That science has zero basis for following, Perhaps if you relieved yourself of that load of bolony you'd lighten up, then possibly start your own internet forum on Mars or Venus.

Personally I can't think of anything more enlightening than discovering the true nature of the planet and universe we live in, check this Nexus presentation video.

You should dig the seismic models seeing as you live in California.

[zap]

Really... ? and there is a new colony of ancient humanistic people on the moon an, astro galactic one.

Git a hold of yourselves !


Open your mind?

[Horn]

Really... ? and there is a new colony of ancient humanistic people on the moon an, astro galactic one.

Git a hold of yourselves !


Open your mind?

If my lungs were up to the trip, I would be one of the first colonists on board, and out of here. Though I may be too ancient at this point.

The evidence is there, natural planet formation is of the hollow type. I just gotta figure out how to cut an insulated window into the side of the moon and add a chimney.

[Glass]

that was an interesting presentation. A lay persons curiosity, formally educated. Reminding people that a lot of discoveries came from inquisitive people who were not a scientist but a sensible ordered person who could observe, theorise, speculate, research and investigate in a sensible fashion. He did it in a different way and purposely ignored anything to do with Byrd or the Nazis or any of that stuff.

I'd be interested to hear what a ham operator would think of his theory of the propagation of the earthquake vibrations around the globe and how it parallels propagation in our atmosphere. And how it more neatly explains the anomalies that seismologists have to have dealt with explaining in a more complicated way that contradicts some other fundamental principles of physics to do with how mass forms.

I'm concerned that people are so stressed about this topic or the topic of divergence. It's not that big a deal is it?

[singular_me]

sorry zap if this is not your cup of tea. Making a mockery of the site? The info we share in this thread is not more stranger than the Principle video adamantly supported by founder of this forum and appears on every page.

what is wrong with probing the history of the planet/mankind and possible non-mainstream theories?

You know, zap, I dont like so much all these pro-whites vs subhumans threads, I have learned to not let them disturb me in any way and that everybody is entitled to his opinion.



Just my 2 cents, I am so sick of opening the home page to have this thread staring me in the face , shut up will ya? the is a earth inside a earth, F --- off crazy bastards you are beyond help.... making a mockery of the site shut uppppp f --ckin ridiculous !

[Horn]

I'm concerned that people are so stressed about this topic or the topic of divergence. It's not that big a deal is it?

I get the sense that people are too wary of a project blue beam scenario, though that may be the ultimate end of a project blue beam to end any thoughtful investigation into the void. Keeping everything contained, much like you made out before in the flat world, or sea monsters preventing exploration.

Any faux alien invasion would be investigated wholly on its own merit to begin with, the story leading up to an overall fallacy only secondary support to the fallacy of that alien invasion.

The OP story is much the same, trying to create a sea monster out of our natural universe, everything created thru untouchable or violent extremes, or mind numbing accretion.

I've seen home investigators already placing the Primer Fields theory to good use in electrical coils effectively documenting and doubling their induction rates.

[zap]

No Need to apologize Singular, I think Its just me maybe I need a break from the site for a while .

[Horn]

If I were either a good or bad alien, I'd look at my copilot like he was nuts for even considering the Earth as a landing pad. Maybe that's one thing we can thank the jew for, making the world into a den of vipers so other intelligent life won't bother us as we develop any real senses. :)

[Santa]

To question or contradict what I think I know
Is akin to throwing my self out a window.
Attaching my identity to an established idea
is a projection of self onto a group consensus.
Like attaching a note to a brick.
While it may be true, it has nothing to do
but to gratify my ego.

Ergo, to attach my ego to enough bricks
to build a great wall without a window,
for my ego will surely die from the fall.

[Horn]

Be sure to put sign out that you're working upstairs.

I mean, if you care enough not to splatter your neighbor's brains all over the sidewalk.

[expat4ever]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNV1Q--R7-A&list=PLuEPEjlOrA2qWk7jwdv2XaHy-W3XCsPXC&index=2
A larger perspective.. Been browsing this thread and the ideas provoke thought for sure. The one thing that always seems to be missing in any beginning, be it planet or universe is what the source of the gravitational force is that begins to bind everything. The primer fields may be an sort of explanation but I'm not convinced yet.

[Glass]

A "mystery" crater has appeared in Siberia prompting claims or aliens or hollow earth.


Mystery crater appears at the 'end of the world

A mysterious 'gigantic' hole has appeared over a gas-rich area in Siberia labelled the 'end of the world', prompting speculation over its origin.
Helicopter passengers travelling over Yamal, a region known for its devastating events, spotted the crater that is believed to be up to 80 metres wide.
According to The Siberian Times (http://siberiantimes.com/other/others/features/large-crater-appears-at-the-end-of-the-world/), engineer Konstantin Nikolaev uploaded the video to YouTube that sparked an investigation into where it came from.
While some speculated with rumours of extraterrestrial involvement, secret entrances to a 'hollow-Earth' and weapon test sites.
“We can definitely say that it is not a meteorite,” said a spokesman for Russia’s Emergencies Ministry.

https://s.yimg.com/ea/img/-/140716/mystery_crater_inline_19sbdhl-19sbed3.jpg?x=656&sig=.3WdWMl3GF77r_NuyiYiVQ--
Scientist Anna Kurchatova, from the Sub-Arctic Scientific Research Centre, says the cause of the giant crater may be from global warming.


Story link (https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/world/a/24470747/mystery-crater-appears-at-the-end-of-the-world/)

[Hypertiger]

There is a singularity at the core of everything.

The sun black holes and the earth...go stand outside and look down to see the event horizon

[Hypertiger]

In the stock markets there is a saying...buy the mystery...sell the history.

Buy the uncertainty sell the certainty

[Horn]

The primer fields may be an sort of explanation but I'm not convinced yet.

I'm not a betting man, but if creating in an electric universe, with a gravity vortex centrifugal lightning forge. My guess is in the vacuum of space you would start off with a bead/bubble of welding spatter, one or more poles would probably of the blow or cone out under heat and pressure spin, much like a candle type bulb. Layers of sediment then built up upon and rounded flush globe in the finishing static/gravity process.

Either way I have a hard time believing in large molten layers within terrestrial type planets too long after their creation.

[Awoke]

That in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those that are in heaven, on earth, and under the earth


And no man was able, neither in heaven, nor on earth, nor under the earth, to open the book, nor to look on it.

drbo.org

[singular_me]

the plot thickens.... maybe it has always been there and "they" decided it was time to release the info. ???


A "mystery" crater has appeared in Siberia prompting claims or aliens or hollow earth.



Story link (https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/world/a/24470747/mystery-crater-appears-at-the-end-of-the-world/)

[singular_me]

thanks for joining this thread Expat... we need more brain like yours to keep it entertaining. :)

HyperTiger is right, when mentioning the singularity at the core of everything...

have little time now but will be back online later this week as I will have the internet 24/7 for 9 days in a row



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNV1Q--R7-A&list=PLuEPEjlOrA2qWk7jwdv2XaHy-W3XCsPXC&index=2
A larger perspective.. Been browsing this thread and the ideas provoke thought for sure. The one thing that always seems to be missing in any beginning, be it planet or universe is what the source of the gravitational force is that begins to bind everything. The primer fields may be an sort of explanation but I'm not convinced yet.

[Horn]

HyperTiger is right, when mentioning the singularity at the core of everything...

IMO, that's just hollow ego speak. :)

The void rules us all, while we tame it.

[singular_me]

LOL... lets try this: singularity emanates from the void at the center of the vortex... singularity is a dot splitting into male and female energies, ie: positive and negative...



IMO, that's just hollow ego speak. :)

The void rules us all, while we tame it.

[Horn]

LOL... lets try this: singularity emanates from the void at the center of the vortex... singularity is a dot splitting into male and female energies, ie: positive and negative...

That's very creative and loving, but can tell you there's no force in the universe that will keep us together, singular_me.

We are a multiple of 0s in love, life's infinity being an impossibility by adding 1s. :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzeDqRhM09w

[Horn]

Venus in Transition
Venus and Earth describe a unique orbital configuration with respect to the Sun. The resonance between the two planets is readily apparent when a plot (http://ecobrooklyn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/venus-earth.jpg) of their movements is made over the course of eight years.

Every couple of centuries, the two planets are in close enough alignment that Venus crosses the face of the Sun twice in eight years. Between that pair of crossings, there is a gap of 121.5 years, then two transits in eight years, then a gap of 105.5 years, then two transits, then a gap of 121.5 years, and so on. Why this odd time interval?

Beginning with a transit alignment, as Venus and Earth orbit the Sun, Venus laps Earth in its orbit after 1.6 Earth years, or 2.6 Venusian years. The fifth time that Venus catches up with Earth, after eight years, they are back at their starting point again. The reason there is no transit every eight years is that the orbit of Venus is inclined to the plane of the ecliptic, taking it slightly above or below a line-of-sight with Earth.

After five Venus-Earth conjunctions, they are also slightly clockwise from their starting positions. It takes 105.5 and 121.5 years for them to regress to their eight year transit pairs and shift from June to December. In 2117, Venus will perform during early December.

Thus, Venus is in near resonance with Earth. In order for an exact orbital resonance to exist, Venus would have to revolve in 243.16 days, but its actual period is 243.01 days. This close alignment suggests that it might be moving out of a resonant pattern that once was more precise.

One factor besides gravity that might contribute to its face-to-face dance with Earth is that Venus has a long ion tail that extends outward for more than 45 million kilometers. During inferior conjunction, that electrically charged structure can interact with our magnetosphere. What if that electrical connection was much stronger in the past?

Venus is evidently a young planet, since it retains a dense, hot atmosphere. It also retains some of the cometary characteristics that were probably visible to ancient civilizations. Electric Universe theorist Wal Thornhill (http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=jej1t3c2) writes:

“Venus, with its cometary tail, is evidently still discharging strongly today after a recent cometary past noted globally by ancient witnesses. Venus was described variously as a ‘hairy star’ or ‘bearded star’ and a stupendous prodigy in the sky. Today, Venus’ comet tail operates in the dark discharge mode and is invisible. It can only be detected by magnetometers and charged particle detectors.”

Venus (http://sos.noaa.gov/datasets/solar_system/venustopo.html) is supposed to have condensed out of the same primordial cloud as the rest of the planets in the Solar System billions of years ago. Most planetary scientists agree that it has been as it is for at least 300 million years. That means the surface of Venus has been subjected to chemical erosion for hundreds of millions of years.

Why is there no sign of any significant erosion? The Russian Venera (http://www.mentallandscape.com/V_Venus.htm) landing craft discovered that the surface of Venus (http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA00084.jpg) isbare rock (http://www.strykfoto.org/venera.htm), with a little debris inside the cracks. This is a significant anomaly for which no one has offered a theory. If its entire surface has been renovated in the last 300 million years, what caused that to happen?

Once, perhaps as little as 5000 years ago, the planets were seen as veritable gods, with tremendous powers and chaotic aspects. Those godlike luminaries cast violent energies upon each other and upon Earth: boiling seas, melting mountain ranges, raising sky high tornadoes of fire, and hurling lightning bolts sufficient to vaporize any human work.

The planet-gods did not revolve in the stately orbits we see today. Instead, they encroached on each other, looming large and then retreating, only to rush together in conflict again. During those encounters, Venus and Earth exchanged gigantic outbursts of electric discharge. In those bolts of interplanetary lightning they formed an electromagnetic bond. It was probably then that the orbital resonance that both planets share came into existence.

As time passes, the intimate relationship once shared by Gaea and Aphrodite is beginning to fade. The long ion tail of Venus that continues to brush Earth with its faint electric tickle indicates that it is still in a state of discharge as it slowly regains equilibrium with the Solar System’s overall balance. The past appearance of Venus as a terrifying comet with fire-like tendrils and monstrous features has been detailed elsewhere in these pages.

For now, let it be said that the goddess is sleeping, and in her slumber we are drifting apart.

https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2012/06/03/venus-in-transition/