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mick silver
2nd July 2014, 11:02 AM
WASHINGTON -- Poor people in Tennessee better get ready to forfeit bodily fluids if they want welfare benefits.
A new law taking effect this week allows the state Department of Human Services to screen applicants to the federal Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program, known in Tennessee as Families First. The testing regime is not as harsh as the one in Florida famously deemed unconstitutional by federal courts in 2011.
If Families First applicants answer "yes" on a three-question form about potential drug use, they'll be referred for urine testing. If the results are positive, according to the state's implementation plan (http://www.tn.gov/humanserv/pubs/Drug%20Testing%20Implementation%20Plan%20FY%202014 %20-2nd%20Quarter%20Progress%20Report%201-2-14.pdf), the applicants will only be cut off if they fail another test after six months of treatment.
Florida, by contrast, simply made every single applicant pee in cups at the outset, made applicants pay for their own tests and canceled their benefits if they failed. Courts halted the program, saying Republican Gov. Rick Scott's blanket testing violated applicants' constitutional right to privacy. Tennessee and the six other states that have passed welfare drug testing laws since 2011 have tried not to repeat Florida's mistakes.
Still, the Tennessee chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union is not happy about the new requirements at all.
"This law singles out limited-income people and requires them to submit to humiliating and intrusive searches of their bodily fluids because they need temporary help making ends meet," Hedy Weinberg, director of the ACLU's Tennessee chapter, said Tuesday.
Weinberg noted that research shows TANF recipients use drugs at a rate no higher than the general population. In Florida, just 2 percent of welfare applicants gave the state dirty urine before the Florida ACLU successfully halted the program with a lawsuit.
Mississippi was also supposed to start drug-screening welfare applicants this week, but civil liberties advocates there persuaded the state to delay implementation (http://www.wdam.com/story/25882115/tanf-drug-testing-law-delayed-for-public-hearing). Georgia Gov. Nathan Deal (R) is also delaying a welfare drug test law (http://www.myajc.com/news/news/local/georgia-to-delay-welfare-drug-test-law/ngXcb/#51b512eb.257033.735415)that had been scheduled to start this week. Deal is apparently waiting for the legal challenges to Florida's law to be completely resolved.
Even as the war on drugs has lost public and political support (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/08/drug-war_n_3030040.html), interest in making the poor pass drug tests has surged. Since 2011, dozens of states have considered implementing new drug testing laws, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures (http://www.ncsl.org/research/human-services/drug-testing-and-public-assistance.aspx), and congressional Republicans have pushed new proposals (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/04/welfare-drug-testing-bill-congress_n_2806450.html?1362429897) at the national level as well.
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Horn
2nd July 2014, 11:35 AM
If Families First applicants answer "yes" on a three-question form about potential drug use,


Everything is fine for the liars though.

My guess is one of the questions is "have you ever been arrested for illegal drug use?" to wit the state already knows the answer. And peeing in a cup is summary penalty to that old charge. Some state sanctioned pee testing facility somewhere keeps its lights on for another 10 years, expand to handle more pee, or the pockets of pee testers.

It should be renamed the 3 question bladder expansion form.

Horn
2nd July 2014, 11:57 AM
This ties into the lack of water thread in the west, but even my water bill in a country where it rains everyday for at least 2 hours 8 months of the year just instated a new online payment system with no more bills arriving in the mail.

Somehow the rates per gallon rose, and they also pay no postage or paper.

Amazing efficiency.

Santa
2nd July 2014, 12:42 PM
I doubt they'll be testing for fluoride or antidepressants or Ritalin.

iOWNme
2nd July 2014, 02:18 PM
Courts halted the program, saying Republican Gov. Rick Scott's blanket testing violated applicants' constitutional right to privacy.

Yet they still enforce 'drug laws' everyday by either robbing innocent non violent people or putting them in cages. But this does not violate their right to privacy. LOL

How many contradictions have to be swirling around a 'Judges' head in order to IMAGINE he is the virtuous one as he destroys innocent peoples lives?

Statism = Throwing rationality and principles to the wind.

madfranks
2nd July 2014, 02:42 PM
For what it's worth, there is no "constitutional right to privacy". Seriously, a right to privacy is not in the constitution. If the courts interpreted rights of privacy based on the 4th amendment, than I agree with iOWNme, that the whole drug war is a violation of the 4th amendment.

7th trump
2nd July 2014, 03:52 PM
Yet they still enforce 'drug laws' everyday by either robbing innocent non violent people or putting them in cages. But this does not violate their right to privacy. LOL

How many contradictions have to be swirling around a 'Judges' head in order to IMAGINE he is the virtuous one as he destroys innocent peoples lives?

Statism = Throwing rationality and principles to the wind.

Here you go iownme.
You, iownme, as a "US citizen", because of using that ssn don't get much of any protections of the Bill of Rights.
Heres a link which I know you'll never go to because it completely blows up your charade of this "anarchist" bullshit right in front of your face.
This link gives you a direct link to the US printing office where you can find this official Senate document stipulating exactly whats on my link to 1215.org

http://1215.org/lawnotes/lawnotes/pvcright.htm

Not only don't you get much of the protections of the Bill of Rights but your masters "Congress" can set any rule, law, policy they see fit....even if it means you cannot put any substance in your body as illegal.
And heres the thing iownme....you volunteered to be under the jurisdiction of Congress ALL yourself and you can even get out from under it at any time you so desire....but your ignorance of facts has captured your intelligents and made your intelligence a slave to your own ignorance....or is it that you just like drama?

I'm gonna call you out!

1. Its either you're ignorant of how the law works-
2. Or you like this "anarchy" drama-
3. Or both

Glass
2nd July 2014, 04:34 PM
you can even get out from under it at any time you so desire....

how ?

7th trump
2nd July 2014, 05:56 PM
how ?

Well now that you know that being a "US citizen" suppresses most of the Bill of Rights they (Congress) cannot force you to be one otherwise its a violation of the law of the land.

First thing I did was find out what causes the government to look at me as one of these "US citizens".
What I found was Social Security was the culprit.
From that point forward it was a small campaign of inquisitive letter writing to the Social Security Administration.
Once I had what I needed from the SSA it was onto the state of Iowa.
Reason going to the state of Iowa was because a few court cases cited that the natural inherent rights emanate from the BoR were at the state level and not the federal level....two jurisdictions that are identified and separated by "Rights"....not some statute establishing each.


“The rights and privileges, and immunities which the fourteenth constitutional amendment and Rev. St. section 1979 , for its enforcement, were designated to protect, are such as belonging to citizens of the United States as such, and not as citizens of a state”.
Wadleigh v. Newhall 136 F. 941 (1905)


“...rights of national citizenship as distinct from the fundamental or natural rights inherent in state citizenship”.
Madden v. Kentucky, 309 U.S. 83: 84 L.Ed. 590 (1940)

Next I contacted the Iowa ombudsman office. The Ombudsmans office is there in helping you get answers.
https://www.legis.iowa.gov/Ombudsman/services/


•Investigate a complaint against an agency, official or employee of Iowa state and local government independently and impartially, and in a confidential manner, to the extent possible as provided by law.
•Work with an agency to attempt to resolve a problem when an investigation shows that the agency has acted contrary to law, unreasonably or unfairly, or has made a mistake.
•Make recommendations to agencies for administrative or policy changes, when appropriate.
•Make recommendations to the Iowa General Assembly for legislation, when appropriate.
•Answer questions relating to government or refer a person to suitable agency or entity for answers.

Services We Cannot Provide
•Investigate the acts of the Iowa General Assembly or its legislative agencies and employees.
•Investigate the acts of the Governor or of the Governor's personal staff.
•Investigate or review the acts or decisions of courts or judges or staff of the judicial system.
•Investigate agencies which are established pursuant to interstate compacts and answerable to more than one state.
•Investigate complaints of employees of agencies of government regarding the employment relationship with the agency.
•[U]Investigate agencies of the federal government.
•Investigate actions between private parties which do not involve agencies of state or local government.


Nice little ditbit.
http://search.legis.state.ia.us/NXT/gateway.dll/ar/iac/1410___citizens%27%20aide%20__5b141__5d/_a_1410.xml?f=templates&fn=default.htm


2.2(7) Information requests.
If a person who contacts the citizens’ aide/ombudsman requests information, the citizens’ aide/ombudsman may provide such information, if it relates to state and local government, or refer the person to another agency or to any other appropriate entity or source for the information

Long story short.......just as the court has said in the above quote.....your natural rights rests at the state level....and that means shedding the federal citizenship.

If there is one thing I suggest you read......its this!
Save it to file and keep reading it. Let it sink in your head.
http://www.truthsetsusfree.com/StateVsFedCitizen.pdf

Now let me tell you I do not pay taxes and have not filed a W4 with my employer so therefore I do not have any deductions or taxes taken out of my pay check.........and yet I still work and get paid.....this was my goal from the beginning.

I do have an Iowa drivers license and registered vehicle which are separate from having to file a W4 and pay tribute to the federal government in the form of filing a 1040.
You can have a drivers license and vehicle registration and still not have to pay federal taxes as participating in social security is not related in anyway to the requirement of a drivers license.
Drivers license are state issued.
Social security is federally issued...two separate and different jurisdictions even though the state administers ss benefits such as unemployment and food stamps.

Another definite read about Social Security is this essay.
Save and read it to later assert your right not to be a federal slave.
http://www.truthsetsusfree.com/SocSecVoluntary.pdf