If You Own A Kalashnikov Rifle

[EE_]

Never thought I was going to see the day when AK's would cost more then an AR?
Seems those days are coming at us faster then ever.
Sounds like the price of 7.62 X 39 ammo is about to get more expensive too.

If You Own A Kalashnikov Rifle, Obama Just Sanctioned You
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 07/16/2014 21:19 -0400

If you thought the latest round of US sanctions against some largely unknown Russians and a few new companies listed here, most notably Rosneft and Gazprombank - but not Gazprom, never Gazprom - that would cut off Russian gas to Europe and Merkel doesn't want that - would be largely a non-event, you are right. Unless you own a Kalashnikov, aka AK-47 rifle. In which case read on.

From the updated sanctions FAQ:

If I own a Kalashnikov product, is that product blocked by sanctions? Am I able to resell a Kalashnikov product at a gun show or other secondary market?

If a U.S. person is in possession of a Kalashnikov Concern product that was bought and fully paid for prior to the date of designation (i.e., no payment remains due to Kalashnikov Concern), then that product is not blocked and OFAC sanctions would not prohibit the U.S. person from keeping or selling the product in the secondary market, so long as Kalashnikov Concern has no interest in the transaction. New transactions by U.S. persons with Kalashnikov Concern are prohibited, however, and any property in which Kalashnikov Concern has an interest is blocked pursuant to OFAC’s designation of Kalashnikov Concern on July 16, 2014. If a U.S. person has an inventory of Kalashnikov Concern products in which Kalashnikov Concern has an interest (for example, the products are not fully paid for or are being sold on consignment), we advise that U.S. person to contact OFAC for further guidance on handling of the inventory.

If I have Kalashnikov products in my inventory, can I sell them?

If a U.S. person has an inventory of Kalashnikov Concern products in which Kalashnikov Concern has an interest (for example, the products are not fully paid for or are being sold on consignment), we advise that U.S. person to contact OFAC for further guidance on handling of the inventory.

In other words, the US just froze any transactions involving products made by the world's most popular assault rifle: both purchases and sales. For now, however, one can still buy Russian-made gold and silver. And US rifles, of course.... For now that is.

As for Putin's response, once he is done laughing, we hope to see the newly-launched BRIC bank provide its first bilateral liquidity swaps with the named individuals and companies. Because that would conveniently frame what the endgame will look like.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-16/if-you-own-kalashnikov-rifle-obama-just-sanctioned-you

[Twisted Titan]

Better start to doubble down on part kits.

[madfranks]

In other words, the US just froze any transactions involving products made by the world's most popular assault rifle: both purchases and sales. For now, however, one can still buy Russian-made gold and silver. And US rifles, of course.... For now that is.

I wish folks would stop using the gun-grabber's terms for these rifles. "Assault" is an action, it is something one does. The rifle doesn't assault anyone and the term "assault rifle" is used to scare people into thinking the guns are dangerous. I have an AK-47, and I've shot it a million times, but somehow I have never assaulted anyone with it. A bad guy can assault someone with a single shot .22, does that mean single shot .22s should be called assault rifles now? What about assault knives? Assault bats? Assault sticks and rocks?

[Horn]

Trying to remove anything that actually works as a repellent.

How politically incorrect to name a Russian inventor in legislation.

[Shami-Amourae]

I wish folks would stop using the gun-grabber's terms for these rifles. "Assault" is an action, it is something one does. The rifle doesn't assault anyone and the term "assault rifle" is used to scare people into thinking the guns are dangerous. I have an AK-47, and I've shot it a million times, but somehow I have never assaulted anyone with it. A bad guy can assault someone with a single shot .22, does that mean single shot .22s should be called assault rifles now? What about assault knives? Assault bats? Assault sticks and rocks?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqvOZv57Z7k

[Twisted Titan]

I wish folks would stop using the gun-grabber's terms for these rifles. "Assault" is an action, it is something one does. The rifle doesn't assault anyone and the term "assault rifle" is used to scare people into thinking the guns are dangerous. I have an AK-47, and I've shot it a million times, but somehow I have never assaulted anyone with it. A bad guy can assault someone with a single shot .22, does that mean single shot .22s should be called assault rifles now? What about assault knives? Assault bats? Assault sticks and rocks?

Why on gods green earth are you trying to intergect logic and common sense into this debate.

[Ponce]

Hey Titan? I didn't realize that we are having a "debate" and not a discussion.........anyway, my favorite one is, is, is, tataaaaaaaaa "tactical", like, who can live without a tactical flash light? or a tactical toothpick?.....oh yes, if is not tactical you can loose the fight.......let me put on my tactical shower shoes so that I can go a take a piss......like without them I will pissed all over myself............why hell, at my age even if they are combat proven I'll still will piss all over myself.

V

[Shami-Amourae]

Where do you even buy Kalashnikov Rifles? My local gun store only has variants from American companies.

[Horn]

Here's one I'm familiar with, out of Las Vegas.

http://www.k-var.com/shop/home.php (http://www.k-var.com/shop/SGL21-26_Series-7.62x39mm-Caliber-Russian-AK-47-Variant-Rifles/)

looks like they use a mosh of parts anymore. Kalishnikov still holds patent? I ain't sure.

[Shami-Amourae]

I'm looking at the M+M M10 and the Arsenal SA M-7. Those are the only ones my local gun store has without terrible reviews on the guns (those guns are both rated well.)

I don't even OWN a centerfire semi-auto rifle.

[hoarder]

Not top of the line, but you can still get reasonable AKs:

http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F1IOR47&name=Pioneer+Arms+Corp+Sporter+AK+7.62x39+Rifle&groupid=11

http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/firearms/century-sale.html

Personally I'd at least get one with a chrome lined barrel/chamber.

[EE_]

I'm looking at the M+M M10 and the Arsenal SA M-7. Those are the only ones my local gun store has without terrible reviews on the guns (those guns are both rated well.)

I don't even OWN a centerfire semi-auto rifle.

I think the Arsenal SGL and SA M are great guns, I guess the only thing I'm not real hot on is the parkerized/enamel finish.
Other then that, they are fine rifles.

[Shami-Amourae]

Not top of the line, but you can still get reasonable AKs:

http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F1IOR47&name=Pioneer+Arms+Corp+Sporter+AK+7.62x39+Rifle&groupid=11

http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/firearms/century-sale.html

Personally I'd at least get one with a chrome lined barrel/chamber.

They also have the I.O. Inc. Sporter Rifle which is basically the same as that, but I read online of a lot of complaints.

[Horn]

I'm looking at the M+M M10 and the Arsenal SA M-7. Those are the only ones my local gun store has without terrible reviews on the guns (those guns are both rated well.)

I don't even OWN a centerfire semi-auto rifle.

Own a SAM-7, never failed, accepts any ammo and amount you can throw at it.

[Horn]

http://www.gunsandammo.com/files/2014/07/saiga_12_izhmash_1.jpg


President Obama Bans Importation of Kalashnikov & Izhmash Firearms

The Kalashnikov Concern consists of a group of Russian Arms manufacturers, including Izhmash (http://www.izhmash.ru/eng/) and Izhevsk (http://imzcorp.com/). The companies produce and import a number of AK-style and other firearms, including the popular Saiga rifles and shotguns.
It is unclear how long these sanctions will be in effect and if the Kalashnikov Concern could be removed from the SDN list at a later date.


Read more: http://www.gunsandammo.com/2014/07/17/president-obama-bans-importation-kalashnikov-izhmash-firearms/#ixzz37pcyscgW

So Bulgarian corps and others are still O.K., is just the Russians strictly.

[hoarder]

So Bulgarian corps and others are still O.K., is just the Russians strictly.
It doesn't really say. Article sows confusion.

[milehi]

I bought a small handfull of Saiga 7.62s at the end of the year before long guns had to be registered in CA. The sale price was a little over $500. Right now on Gunbroker they're pushing $800.

[madfranks]

I own an Arsenal SA 93 - my favorite rifle by far. Super accurate too.

[Horn]

I bought a small handfull of Saiga 7.62s at the end of the year before long guns had to be registered in CA. The sale price was a little over $500. Right now on Gunbroker they're pushing $800.

Yeah, price seems super high, for the chunk they are. can't imagine it going much higher.

My imagination is deflatisit though. :)

[Shami-Amourae]

Own a SAM-7, never failed, accepts any ammo and amount you can throw at it.

Thanks for the feedback. I mainly care about reliability.
:)

[milehi]

Yeah, price seems super high, for the chunk they are. can't imagine it going much higher.

My imagination is deflatisit though. :)

I gave one to my daughter for her birthday and she can hit the 250 yard gong at the range all day long and that makes me happy. Its the perfect rifle for her in the stock configuration. Not as complicated as a AR for someone like her who just needs to be proficient.

[Horn]

I gave one to my daughter for her birthday

The only beef with a Kalishnikov is the super heavy safety, imo. I have a milled version and didn't play with it too much, but guess you could somehow soften that throw to open with allowing it to also stay shut... the stamped versions seemed less of a problem to open.

Regardless once open there's nothing other I'd want to have or compare with, perfection.

[EE_]

Nobody can sell firearms like Obama!

Russian sanctions spark AK-47 buying frenzy in US
Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:0PM GMT

In an effort to keep arms away from Russian-backed forces in Ukraine, the United States may have kicked off something of an arms race back home.

The Obama administration last week announced a new round of sanctions against Russia that it says are intended to discourage Russia from continuing to support rebel groups in eastern Ukraine. Companies blacklisted by the US include Russian banks, energy firms and eight weapons manufacturers -- including Kalashnikov Concern, a maker of what is arguably the most popular weapon in the world, the AK-47.

The move sent American gun buyers into a frenzy, seeking to buy the AK-47s that are already for sale in the US While there’s no hard data showing an uptick in Russian gun sales, gun sellers around the country say they’re seeing big business in AK-47s and other Russian firearms.

Blaine Bunting, president of Maryland gun distributor Atlantic Firearms, said Tuesday that orders for their AK-47-style rifles and shotguns have "tripled, if not quadrupled" since Obama announced the sanctions.

"We have 15 employees here, and yesterday we started at 7:30 in the morning and didn't leave until eight at night," he said. After selling more than 400 Russian guns in just a couple days, Bunting said, Atlantic Firearms is sold out. Its website has a notice to buyers warning that the import ban may cause delayed shipping times.

Last week in Nampa, Idaho, the gun store Armageddon Armory bought 60 Saiga semi-automatic shotguns, which are made by Kalashnikov. They were gone in just a few days, according to the shop’s manager, David, who refused to give his last name, citing store policy.

"We sold out of them instantly," he said.

Right now, Saiga shotguns cost $800 to $900, David said, estimating they would double in price within six weeks because of Obama’s executive action.

The Treasury department says people and businesses who own Kalashnikov guns can still sell them in the US as long as the Kalashnikov company doesn’t benefit from the transaction.

Guns manufactured by Kalashnikov and other Russian companies make up only a small part of the US gun market: Only about 200,000 Russian guns were imported to the US in 2012, according to the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. That same year, the agency says, US gun makers produced more than 8.5 million guns, not including guns produced for the military. They also imported around 4.8 million more from other countries.

Firing Line in Wyandotte, Oklahoma, has been inundated with callers trying to buy Kalashnikov guns, even though the store currently doesn't sell them. North Raleigh Guns, a small gun retailer in Raleigh, North Carolina, has had a surge in the past few days of customers coming in to ask about Kalashnikovs.

"The simple thing is, people want what they can't have," said Ben, North Raleigh Guns assistant manager, who asked that his last name not be published.

At Carolina Gunrunners, also in Raleigh, sales on all kinds of guns have risen since Obama announced the sanctions, said store owner Jim McComas. McComas said just having guns in the news is enough to get customers knocking down his door. This has certainly proven true in the past: Criminal background checks, one of the most reliable ways to gauge gun sales nationwide, surged after Obama’s 2012 re-election and the 2012 Newtown shooting. The increased sales were believed to be driven by people fearing more government regulations and outright weapons bans.

An AK-47 is a gas-operated 7.62 caliber assault rifle. It was invented in 1947 by the Russian general Mikhail Kalashnikov for use in the Soviet Army, but later became popular partly because of its simplicity and reliability. AK-47s have been used throughout the world by national armies, revolutionaries, guerrillas and paramilitary groups, among others. There are believed to be about 100 million in circulation worldwide.

AK-47s and their variants are also manufactured in countries like Poland, Hungary and Bulgaria. A handful of US companies also make AK-47-style firearms. One is Atlantic Arms Manufacturing, a sister company of Atlantic Arms, Bunting says. Another is I.O., Inc., a small firearms manufacturer in Florida that says it sells its 100 percent American-made AK-47-style guns for $400 to $600.

Aside from just wanting what they can't have, people may be snatching up Russian AK-47-style guns as an investment.

"People will buy them like any other commodity because they think the value is gonna go up,” McComas said.

But it also may just be that the Russians make a good gun. "The Russian AK-47s are known to be the best of the best," said Firing Line's Terra Burke.

"The Russian AK-47 is one of the highest quality AKs out there," said Ben, from North Raleigh Guns. "It's been around forever. The ammo is affordable. Plus, it's really fun to shoot."
The Huffington Post

[mick silver]

if you don't have what you need by now it maybe to late . this was talked about over at the old gold f money forum . time to buy stuff like this has went way up in price

[old steel]

Check this out from one ammo source.


"Below are a few items that I thought were of good value and worth your consideration. For AK shooters, given the escalation of violence in the Russia/Ukraine conflict, if you are in need of ammo I recommend stocking up on steel case 7.62x39 and 5.45x39 calibers while prices are down. The Ukrainian Factory UCW is now under sanctions and it was recently captured and now controlled by rebels as their civil war rages. We will no longer be able to get ammo from that source. This leaves only Russia as a source for low cost ammo used by recreational shooters of these calibers and it is possible supply could be effected if the war continues and foreign relations with Russia worsen. Alternative manufacturers of these calibers come at a much higher cost which takes a lot of the fun out of shooting a high volume of ammo at the range. We also have many other interesting items of good value on our website so please take a few minutes and look over the online catalog at www.SGAmmo.com"

[old steel]

Hell with the AK.

I'm going to drink me a jug of hk koolaid.



http://i762.photobucket.com/albums/xx267/cie-canada/54ecba8c-bfd9-4363-b8a0-d09a92993739_zps0e9b16b4.jpg

http://i762.photobucket.com/albums/xx267/cie-canada/fe2f26d4-8c33-48f4-a44f-96e5294b8823_zps3008e88c.jpg


http://i762.photobucket.com/albums/xx267/cie-canada/1c4ebb10-8d56-464b-b93c-ec10ba344d64_zpsf9a6e241.jpg

[milehi]

Yup. Spent the afternoon with a PTR91 in .308, iron sight goodness at the range. Took my house keeper too. She had never shot a firearm before. I put her on a near new 1970 10/22 I recently picked up from the pawn shop. Too bad the original stock didn't come with it, but the Dragunov stock is light and shoulders nicely. Perfect for a beginner. She didn't shoot like a beginner. Girls.

[hoarder]

Hell with the AK.

I'm going to drink me a jug of hk koolaid.



http://i762.photobucket.com/albums/xx267/cie-canada/54ecba8c-bfd9-4363-b8a0-d09a92993739_zps0e9b16b4.jpg

http://i762.photobucket.com/albums/xx267/cie-canada/fe2f26d4-8c33-48f4-a44f-96e5294b8823_zps3008e88c.jpg


http://i762.photobucket.com/albums/xx267/cie-canada/1c4ebb10-8d56-464b-b93c-ec10ba344d64_zpsf9a6e241.jpgAnother crappy front sight mounted six inches back from where it needs to be.

[steyr_m]

Whatever, my government has deemed that I'm not responsible enough to own an AK [for 25 years now]. They've recently said I cannot own a Sig 550 https://twitter.com/BonesKtown/status/439578285614182400

[old steel]

Sure can own an AK and a Sig or an FN FAL, whatever you want.

Just need a 12.3 on the back of your firearms license.

[Horn]

They've recently said I cannot own a Sig 550 https://twitter.com/BonesKtown/status/439578285614182400

Hitler kept it out of the hands of his comrades also,


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jrlCPq5stE

[hoarder]

Hitler kept it out of the hands of his comrades also,


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jrlCPq5stEAround 3 minute mark. Another "mistake" Hitler made that sealed Germany's fate.

Maybe just maybe the Germans were not Hitlers comrades.

[steyr_m]

Sure can own an AK and a Sig or an FN FAL, whatever you want.

Just need a 12.3 on the back of your firearms license.

12.3? wtf is that?

[old steel]

12.3 is prohibited status for owning an otherwise prohibited firearm.

You had to be in possessison of one of these types of firearms when the evil bill C-68 was voted into law by MP's otherwise you can never get it to own one.

Grandfather clause or forget it.

[steyr_m]

12.3 is prohibited status for owning an otherwise prohibited firearm.

You had to be in possessison of one of these types of firearms when the evil bill C-68 was voted into law by MP's otherwise you can never get it to own one.

Grandfather clause or forget it.

ok, I only have restricted. Never had a prohib weapon -- not even a pistol with a barrel length of less than 4 inches or one that fires .25-.32 calibre.

Yes, Americans... you think you have it bad....

[steyr_m]

Hitler kept it out of the hands of his comrades also,


Huh? what are you trying to say?