After another botched Execution US Appeals Judge calls for Guillotine

[Glass]

I suspect this is a backhanded stance. This is in response to the Execution yesterday that took about 2 hours for the prisoner to die. Judge says that execution is barbaric and people should have it shoved in their faces. He seems to be saying, if you want it, you should stop pretending it's a nice pain free process. But you should also stop messing around with green dream partially lethal injections and use a system that works.

OR he is saying this so that the Guillotine is actually brought in to use in the US. Seems Georgia is already on board. I haven't checked. Others are obviously saying it is a prophetic fulfillment.


Guillotine, firing squads better than lethal injection, says prominent federal judge

Executions are “brutal, savage events” — and if society wants to carry them out, it ought to stop pretending otherwise, forget about lethal injections and return to “more primitive — and foolproof — methods.”
Like the guillotine — or on second thought, the firing squad.
That’s the view of Alex Kozinski, one of the nation’s most prominent appeals court judges, a Ronald Reagan appointee generally regarded as a libertarian conservative and, by standards of the judiciary, a bit of a “troublemaker,” who likes to stir the pot. (http://www.legalaffairs.org/issues/January-February-2004/feature_bazelon_janfeb04.msp)

Kozinski dissented Monday from a decision (http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2014/07/21/14-16310.pdf)of the full U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit to stay the execution of Joseph R. Wood until Arizona told Wood more about the drugs that would be used in the execution and the personnel who would carry it out.



Wash Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/07/22/guillotine-firing-squads-better-than-lethal-injection-says-prominent-federal-judge/)

[Serpo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmTyzc5t61Q
http://beforeitsnews.com/contributor/upload/238056/images/guillotineamerica.jpg




one moving part
dosnt break down

no costs

and when they kill off everyone that dosnt believe in what they think ,all that will be left will be the true believers of satan/lucifier/......pathetic isnt it..........


http://beforeitsnews.com/prophecy/2014/07/just-released-executions-by-guillotine-finally-passed-in-usa-and-government-is-pushing-for-nationwide-use-shocking-video-2463076.html

[palani]

This is the twenty first century .. not the nineteenth. There must be progress.

My favorite is to placed them in a large container and fill it with liquid nitrogen. Keep them cold so that they might be thawed out in a thousand years.

[Glass]

Like in the year 3000? What would they do? Become delivery boys? Or maybe Rebel star fighters. Oh oh. now I'm thinking about chewbacca

[palani]

Zombie apocalypse?

[mick silver]

the dog is down so nothing been botched

[EE_]

And the gay liberals are protesting to spare brutal killers from the death penalty.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/23/article-urn:publicid:ap.org:bbda09e8400b4ae1b984262d056b88 29-6RHtz6kMJ-HSK1-223_634x393.jpg

[palani]

And the gay liberals are protesting to spare brutal killers from the death penalty.
They look somber to me.

[EE_]

They look somber to me.

It's the heat...it's Phoenix ya know.

[Heimdhal]

Guillotines, Gas, Firing Squads, all of them arent as fool proof as people like to think. They all had issue just like lethal injection. Sure, most of the time it went off ok, but every now and then they wouldnt.

-Hanging would often result in decapitation or suffocation if the weight and drop height werent just right
-Guillotines wouldnt always go all the way through, requiring it to either be raised and dropped again, or "pushed" through
-Gas could result in painfull suffocation and gasping
-Electric Chairs would burn and light people on fire
-Firing Squads were known for being brutal because the shooters wouldnt always aim for the paper target on the chest. It went out of style when shooters were aiming for hands, legs, arms, necks, etc with the intention of wounding and causing suffering


Now, dont get me wrong, Im actually pro death penalty. I agree with the judge, if the people of the country want the death penalty, they have to accept that the killing of a person is not always pretty, that there IS suffering in all of it to some degree and that it wont always go quick and easy and peacefull so they can feel better about it. People have bullshit expectations and unrealistic ideas about things they've never dealth with. Everyones just looking for the next thing to be outraged about and the world burns down around us.

[Dogman]

If truly guilty, beyond any doubt the punishment should fit the crime/act!

If the punishment hurts or is drawn out, so be it!

[Horn]

And the gay liberals are protesting to spare brutal killers from the death penalty.

The State shouldn't be granted sole administering right of sentence, the afflicted party given those options.

[palani]

The State shouldn't be granted sole administering right of sentence, the afflicted party given those options.

The charged party is the authority behind anything the state chooses to do to him. He agreed to representation. He agreed to the court rules. He agreed to be tried by a jury of his peers. There is not a step in the process where the defendant is not given the opportunity (under necessity) to walk away. If he chooses to stay and fight .... there is his choice.

[Ponce]

Sentenced to die is nothing more than "legal" murder, taking a life is taking a life no matter who does it, how is done and when it is done.

The "customer" should be asleep before it is done, but of course suffering while you die is part of the sentence.

V

[EE_]

Quit trying to sound all civilized and shit. Our society is anything but civilized.

[Hatha Sunahara]

If they are bringing the guillotine to the US, I can imagine the pictures in the history books a hundred years from now showing the .0001% being taken to the guillotine in public squares. They might even have videos in history books. It would be pleasing to see a video of Lloyd Blankfein or Jamie Diamond or George Soros at the guillotine. So much more civilized than all the other methods.


Hatha

[mick silver]

22lr is a lot cheaper , but we know this is not going to happen there will be no Guillotine

[Horn]

Quit trying to sound all civilized and shit. Our society is anything but civilized.

You'd think a drift back into hard labor camps would come firstly,

I for one might choose that option for an offendee, gentlemen. :)

[singular_me]

right now, a life jail sentence is LESS expensive for the taxpayers than death row and the execution... and as long as central banks are in charge and other mega criminals ruling the world, supporting capital punishment should NOT be considered.


http://www.deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=42

A Urban Institute study (downloads as a pdf) found that “[i]n Maryland death penalty cases cost 3 times more than non-death penalty cases, or $3 million for a single case” while a 2004 Report from Tennessee Comptroller of the Treasury Office of Research that claimed “[i]n Tennessee, death penalty trials cost an average of 48% more than the average cost of trials in which prosecutors seek life imprisonment.”

With California’s current death row population of 670, that accounts for $63.3 million annually.” Since that statement, California’s death row has grown to 721, the largest in the country.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2011/09/22/death-and-taxes-the-real-cost-of-the-death-penalty/

[Serpo]

Sentenced to die is nothing more than "legal" murder, taking a life is taking a life no matter who does it, how is done and when it is done.

The "customer" should be asleep before it is done, but of course suffering while you die is part of the sentence.

V

The state murders someone because someone murdered someone.

It is against the law to murder but the punishment is ...well murder.....

[Bigjon]

Plastic grocery bag tied over the head, cheapest yet. Recycle those used bags.

[Horn]

Plastic grocery bag tied over the head, cheapest yet. Recycle those used bags.

Bury them alive to see if they can dig their way out!, I wonder if you could pop one of those open if you took a big gasp of air in first?

Another thing that gets me is why does a felon's record follow him around for the rest of his life once paying his debt?

[Bigjon]

Tie them to a pole and put them head first into a tank of water. Real cheap, no mess and they come out clean.

[Dogman]

No pain no gain!

[Horn]

Tie them to a pole and put them head first into a tank of water. Real cheap, no mess and they come out clean.

What if its a case of mistaken identity, or framing?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvMJGRw-dYk

Personally I'd prefer the island of Galipolli.

[Horn]

Did I say Galipolli? I meant Papillion. :)

Wtf are we doing with Antarctica anyways?

I say give them each a parka and a book of matches.

[singular_me]

some highly pathological killers aside, most murderers are just mirroring our society gone amok. Some cannot just take it and will rather go a rampage instead of contemplating suicide.

Not being an apologist here, just pointing to a sad fact.



The state murders someone because someone murdered someone.

It is against the law to murder but the punishment is ...well murder.....

[Serpo]

How is anyone allowed to execute another if its against the law to murder.

So its not against the law for the state to kill ,its only against the law for people to kill.

[BrewTech]

How is anyone allowed to execute another if its against the law to murder.

So its not against the law for the state to kill ,its only against the law for people to kill.

Murder, steal, coerce, defraud, torture, kidnap...

All things that individuals have no right to do morally or legally, yet the collective maintains that individuals are able to delegate the "right" (which no individual member of the collective possesses) to do these things to an imaginary group called "government", through a process called "voting", and that makes it ok.

Easy peezy. :rolleyes:

[Horn]

How is anyone allowed to execute another if its against the law to murder.

So its not against the law for the state to kill ,its only against the law for people to kill.

Murder is a premeditated act, capital punishment is just where one ends up at the end of his rope.

[7th trump]

How is anyone allowed to execute another if its against the law to murder.

So its not against the law for the state to kill ,its only against the law for people to kill.

So confused....!
Seriously...you that dense in the head that you cant see the difference between murder and killing?
Yep...God wasn't lying about the mentality of people in the end times....spot on baby...spot on!
Its no wonder they will flock to the fake Christ..only to be disappointed at the 7th trumpet.

Murder is lying in wait to take a life unjustly.
Killing is taking a life justly.

[Serpo]

So confused....!
Seriously...you that dense in the head that you cant see the difference between murder and killing?
Yep...God wasn't lying about the mentality of people in the end times....spot on baby...spot on!
Its no wonder they will flock to the fake Christ..only to be disappointed at the 7th trumpet.

Murder is lying in wait to take a life unjustly.
Killing is taking a life justly.

Yes I must be that dense in the head.

Killing is taking a life justly.[/QUOTE]

Isnt that a commandment ,...though shall not kill ,.....so how can you do it justly.?

Ah yes just killing ..............is that like the cops over on cebus thread doing a just killing of the dog so its not murder?

[7th trump]

Yes I must be that dense in the head.

Killing is taking a life justly.

Isnt that a commandment ,...though shall not kill ,.....so how can you do it justly.?

Ah yes just killing ..............is that like the cops over on cebus thread doing a just killing of the dog so its not murder?
[/QUOTE]

No............the commandment is "thou shall not murder".
Go back to the original language the Bible was written in and you'll see its...thou shall not murder!
Even God says to bring murderers and rapists to Him....... by stoning them to death.....that's an "execution" (killing) if you cant figure that out.

Sure enough..... many will perish from a lack of knowledge.

[Serpo]

execution............ killing................... murder

yes they are all so different ,I must be confused ,I thought they all resulted in the death of another human being by another human being.

but thats OK cause the holy book says so......

if thats the case then you can keep your holy book

[7th trump]

execution............ killing................... murder

yes they are all so different ,I must be confused ,I thought they all resulted in the death of another human being by another human being.

but thats OK cause the holy book says so......

if thats the case then you can keep your holy book

It'll be nice in a world here God destroys (un-creates) all the ignorant fools....it'll surely be peaceful.

[Glass]

It'll be nice in a world here God destroys (un-creates) all the ignorant fools....it'll surely be peaceful.

thats only because there wont' be any one here. All the good folk will be raptured up wont' they? They won't be here no more either.

[Santa]

It'll be nice in a world here God destroys (un-creates) all the ignorant fools....it'll surely be peaceful.

You seem to be confusing "State" for God, as usual.

[Horn]

It would be easier for a rich man to go through the eye of a needle, then to end up on death row.

[StreetsOfGold]

During the time of *Jacob's trouble (coming soon to this world) the chopping off of heads will be the norm.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.


*Jeremiah 30:7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
The time leading up to Jacob's (Israel) trouble is being built up NOW and by some of you dumb (anti-Israel) thumps.

[7th trump]

thats only because there wont' be any one here. All the good folk will be raptured up wont' they? They won't be here no more either.

There is no rapture!
The rapture theory is only a few decades old.
That scripture you believe is the rapture when taken back to its original language and properly translated isn't at all about floating up in a cloud. If it was.....it'll null and void the 7th trumpet, the 7th seal and the 7th vial. And no where do you see God changing a thing...the only thing that is changed is the time satan is on earth fooling you and the others who believe in the rapture of flying away from 7 years to 6 months (that half hour of peace in Heaven).

[Glass]

There is no rapture!
The rapture theory is only a few decades old.
That scripture you believe is the rapture when taken back to its original language and properly translated isn't at all about floating up in a cloud. If it was.....it'll null and void the 7th trumpet, the 7th seal and the 7th vial. And no where do you see God changing a thing...the only thing that is changed is the time satan is on earth fooling you and the others who believe in the rapture of flying away from 7 years to 6 months (that half hour of peace in Heaven).

No fooling me. Just got that from some guy on YT who said that the latest crop circles in the UK on the 23rd of July indicate the rapture is coming and the earth will be empty. He also had some interesting overlays of the vatican and some imagery he was able to ascertain the coming of satan, the fall of the pope and some piper character who I can't recall. He tied in the Denver murals as well.

[7th trump]

During the time of *Jacob's trouble (coming soon to this world) the chopping off of heads will be the norm.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.


*Jeremiah 30:7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
The time leading up to Jacob's (Israel) trouble is being built up NOW and by some of you dumb (anti-Israel) thumps.

Just what do you think they are doing to those arabs that are Christians over in the middle east right now.....being beheaded because they are Christians. It never occurred to you that any person whos a believer of Christ and follows Him is a witness of Jesus. GETTING THE IDEA THAT WE ARE ALREADY SEEING REVELATION UNFOLDING?
Satan isn't coming here cutting off heads...why?
1. The dead cant be fooled...they must be alive to be fooled. hE WANTS THEM ALIVE TO BE FOOLED!
2. The dead cannot take the number. You are judged the second you step out of the flesh so the dead already know what the number 666 is.
3. Do you really think God is as cruel and unjust as you portray him as? Do you really think He is going to judge you to destruction because if you took the number by force?
4. Maybe you're dumb enough to beleive people will worship satan for slicing off heads, but a good many don't. he cant play act as Christ if satan is slicing off heads.
5. God said it's hands off to my elect.....you touch one of the elect and your days fooling the world are even cut shorter.


You really believe that bullshit?
Tell you what...I gotta bridge for sale....want to buy it?

[7th trump]

You seem to be confusing "State" for God, as usual.

You're ignorant of the three earth ages then aren't you.
The last earth age those who didn't make it (lack of knowledge) are destroyed along with satan.
There will only be those who over came in the third earth age...the sinners are destroyed and forgotten about...no recollection of them ever being in existence.
So what was your comment about this "state" again?

[7th trump]

No fooling me. Just got that from some guy on YT who said that the latest crop circles in the UK on the 23rd of July indicate the rapture is coming and the earth will be empty. He also had some interesting overlays of the vatican and some imagery he was able to ascertain the coming of satan, the fall of the pope and some piper character who I can't recall. He tied in the Denver murals as well.
No fooling you huh?
So a guy on YT told you this huh.
This guys word over Gods word.....yeah ok!

[Dogman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jTHNBKjMBU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jTHNBKjMBU

[Glass]

No fooling you huh?
So a guy on YT told you this huh.
This guys word over Gods word.....yeah ok!

The written word is great isn't it? You can read it with your minds voice and put your own tone to it. I never said I endorsed it, just heard it. It seems to be a belief held by a lot of Christians, mostly American ones from what I hear.

But I always like to put those kinds of things through this forum because I know that we have members here who will have an answer to it. That is important because other people can come here and see our discussions and hopefully save themselves a lot of time and grief looking into a lot of stuff that is bupkis.

[Santa]

You're ignorant of the three earth ages then aren't you.
The last earth age those who didn't make it (lack of knowledge) are destroyed along with satan.
There will only be those who over came in the third earth age...the sinners are destroyed and forgotten about...no recollection of them ever being in existence.
So what was your comment about this "state" again?

Yep. I'm ignorant...ignorant of your fanatic Zionist Cult crypto-Jew Fake Christian Old Testament interpretations.

May God have mercy on your soul.