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Twisted Titan
27th July 2014, 07:39 AM
I wanted to address a few common misconceptions that I think some people have with how they plan to address a SHTF event in their lives. There are some that are more dangerous than others granted, but all of these prepping myths give us an opportunity to dissect various topics in the prepping community to better understand the risks and rewards of various approaches. In this article, I want to discuss the myth that some preppers have that if the SHTF they are simply going to don their brand new Bug Out Bags (http://www.theprepperjournal.com/2013/09/11/find-right-bug-out-bag/) and quietly walk into the national forest. This is the bug out to the woods strategy that I read about often in comments or on forums.

This weekend I was walking with my dog on a new trail we had discovered and as often happens, I began to look around at the trees and water sources and soak in the apparent solitude. I think about how remote we are when we get into the woods and the sounds from roads, picnic areas or nearby neighborhoods falls away and you are left with the feeling that you are in the middle of nowhere. I think about this even though I know full well that I am just a short walk back to the parking lot where myself and dozens of others have pulled in temporarily to enjoy the outdoors and a relatively undisturbed spot of nature that our tax dollars are funding.



I was walking down trails, crossing small creeks and envisioning how someone could think that if a disaster happened how they could run out here and survive for a while at least. I was even thinking this myself for a while, but the idea that many people could survive a SHTF event (http://www.theprepperjournal.com/2014/02/28/will-survive/) simply by walking into the woods and making a shelter is foolhardy. If this is your plan, you might want to consider a few things first before you leave it all behind and step into the woods for what could be the last time.
What do you think you are running to?

As with any conversation on topics common to the prepping community (http://www.theprepperjournal.com/2013/12/17/problem-with-prepping/), it helps to set a framework for discussion. For the purposes of this article, we will assume that you and your family must leave your home. This could be for a whole host of reasons, but we will go on the assumption that you are running from a bad situation (riots, war, plague, and zombies) and your hope is to find peace, safety and perhaps a new life hidden in the woods of a nearby forest. This could be a large national forest or simply a few thousand acres in your town that hasn’t been developed.



It sounds logical at first doesn’t it? You have the gear you need in your bug out bag (http://www.theprepperjournal.com/2014/01/02/bug-out-bag-checklist/), you have been camping before so living in the woods (http://www.theprepperjournal.com/2014/06/20/10-ways-first-backpacking-trip-will-better-prepare-you-for-bugging-out/) on its face doesn’t seem like a bad idea. There is no place else to go and if you simply walk into the forest, you can find a place next to a stream or a lake, set up camp and begin hunting for wild game and frying some freshly caught fish. Maybe you even have a location that you have been to before that you know is perfect and you think that you will be safe in this remote space in the woods and that somehow you will be able to avoid whatever it was you were running from.



Now, I will admit that there are people who can walk into the wild and survive, even thrive. The number of people who can do this with only what they carry on their back is a miniscule number though and the people I have witnessed (usually on TV if I’m honest) have a tremendous amount of skills, experience and luck. Is this a group you consider yourself a member of?



Most of us, even the crustiest through-hiker on the Appalachian trail needs supplies to live. Can we go out for brief times and survive? Of course, but if you plan to walk into the forest for the rest of your life with nothing more than some snares you have never used, your trusty .22 rifle , and some dehydrated food I think you need to revisit your strategy.
What are the downsides? The downsides to this approach are numerous but I think the main two are that most of us do not live in the middle of nowhere. If a societal collapse were to happen, there would be a lot of other people with bug out bags hiking into the woods right along with you. That wild game you are depending on catching just like they do on the survival shows, won’t stand up to an onslaught of weekend warriors with their expensive sleeping pads (http://skimlinks.pgpartner.com/mrdr.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fskimlinks.pgpartner.com% 2Fsearch.php%2Fform_keyword%3Dsleeping%2Bpads) and high powered rifles. In this scenario, it isn’t like you can walk back to Walmart and get some groceries and go back to your tent in the woods.



Where I live we have a homeless population that disappears every night. I know that in warmer months, a good number of them live in a wooded area between two interstates, but my assumption is that area isn’t the safest place in the world. These homeless people have a stable society they can walk to for shelter or a handout on most days. What if the stable society collapsed and started moving in with them? What if nobody could eat and there were no shelters to go when the temperature gets cold? Maybe you could find a reasonably remote place to stay where you wouldn’t have other people around you, but you would still find the issues of acquiring food a major obstacle.




If that isn’t enough, safety would be a huge consideration in the woods. Your tent offers zero protection from a sharp stick, much less bullets. Additionally, have you tried to live in them for weeks at a time? Even the best tents start breaking down and hand-made shelters would need to be constantly worked on to maintain their weather proofing. If you are surrounded by forest, it will be harder to see people approaching you and it would be easy for them to spy on you from a distance without being seen. If the SHTF and times are desperate, anything you have could become something that unscrupulous people want to take from you (http://www.theprepperjournal.com/2013/12/09/defending-your-life/). What about if you wanted to leave camp? You couldn’t lock anything up could you so it could easily be stolen while you were away. Leave someone behind and they could be overwhelmed by larger numbers. Would you leave a woman alone in this situation?
Is there a better plan?

I have said numerous times that my first plan is to bug in at almost all costs (http://www.theprepperjournal.com/2013/02/15/bugging-out-vs-hunkering-down/). Does that mean I will never leave my house regardless of the reason? No, but I would have to be under extreme pressure before I would take my family into the woods. If I was making my way somewhere and only needed to stop in the woods for the night – that would be one thing. I would not plan on packing all our stuff on our backs and hiking into the forest though and expect to survive for very long.




What if you know how to forage off the land and you can eat nuts and berries? That’s great but all the other issues are still there. Other people are going to be with you in the forest, and you can’t defend a tent as well as you can your house. If you believe that your bug out plan is to hike into the National Forest that connects to your property and you haven’t considered some of these points, maybe it’s worth a second thought. I myself will know when it’s time to retreat and run away, but I will be very slow to leave my home and although I love walking, hiking and even backpacking in the woods I don’t think it is a valid plan to try and live there if the grid-goes down. Give me my home and zero electricity or water over the nakedness of the forest any day.



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steyr_m
27th July 2014, 06:44 PM
"Bugging out" to the woods didn't make sense to me. You've separated yourself from water, food, and any supplies. I would foresee myself going to a central location in a city with other like-minded people.

But then again it worked in The Walking Dead -- since that's so realistic maybe some truth to it.... ;-)

Sparky
27th July 2014, 07:58 PM
Bugging out isn't a "plan", as the author seems to imply. It is a last resort in an emergency, presumably in order to buy some time while some immediate threat passes. Anyone who is really planning to relocate during a bugout should already have prepared a specific bugout location.

I think a prepared bugout location is a luxury, if you can pull it off. It already takes plenty of time and resources to prepare your existing location. If you have a family, I could see how it could create a lot of stress to divert family time and resources for prepping in the first place, let alone preparing a second location.

Ponce
27th July 2014, 08:06 PM
I am at my home in the woods.....but I do have two more placer I can go to in the wood with what I might need in winter as well as in summer, I have what I need to recover my home.

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milehi
27th July 2014, 09:16 PM
The author doesn't know shit. The forest provides and gives; if you know the forest and its secrets. In a shtf situation, do you think the locals will be accepting to outsiders showing up to use resources? No. We are heavilly armed, have plans, and know the terrain This has been dicussed heavily, from my Mormon neighbors to my outlaw biker neighbors, to the cops that live on the street. We are all on the same page.

Shami-Amourae
27th July 2014, 10:10 PM
Bugging Out is for fools.
Bugging In is for the wise.



During SHTF I'm bugging in. I have a battery operated alarm system for windows and doors. Food and water storage, plus all the other supplies needed. Just don't go out. Keep black trash bags over your windows for the night when you may use candles so it looks like no one is home. Common sense stuff like that.

I live in an area that is mostly Mormon on purpose. They generally have 2 years food storage. for each family member. There's many prepper stores and a freeze dried food production company in my area.

expat4ever
27th July 2014, 11:05 PM
6613heres a nice cave to hang out in.

zap
27th July 2014, 11:29 PM
QUOTE I myself will know when it’s time to retreat and run away, but I will be very slow to leave my home and although I love walking, hiking and even backpacking in the woods I don’t think it is a valid plan to try and live there if the grid-goes down. Give me my home and zero electricity or water over the nakedness of the forest any day.

Yes the author apparently lives in the city, never having to make his/her own power, providing water for himself or relying on his-self to live life.
He hasn't a clue, I have been bugged out for 25 years now, although I will be bugging in also out here in the forest. lol

old steel
28th July 2014, 12:44 AM
I was raised Mormon and the whole two year supply thing is blown way out of proportion.

Back it the day it was standard and most all my friends were Mormon and i didn't know one household that had a 2 year supply.

Today it has been scaled back to 3 months, that's right the official church position on storing food is 3 months now.

Of course you can always store more but isn't there anti hoarding laws or something similar on the books now?

I believe if an emergency is declared the government right down to local civic one can confiscate anything they feel a need to.

What are you going to do if a group of troopers show up on your porch and start demanding stuff? They will clean you out, that's what.

We had a wildfire here a couple summers ago and local officials and police were confiscating heavy equipment from contractors doing paying jobs and used it to make firebreaks.

No compensation, none.

Serpo
28th July 2014, 02:11 AM
Great thing about the woods is that you can hide .

Wattle and dorb are sticks with clay plastered on them to create walls.

Wouldnt want to take the family there unless it was absolutely necessary of course .

What I am saying I guess is discount nothing ,research everything and be prepared for anything.

The woods can very well be your best friend but this would mean you are in a rather extreme situation.

Smartest move for an American is to bug out to south America for a couple of years to avoid the break down when and if it happens.What is there to lose depending on your situation of course.

If you have a family then I would be giving careful consideration as to its welfare but is normally difficult to uproot and go other places.

govcheetos
30th July 2014, 09:43 PM
Shelter in place. You think other people want you sponging off their land of milk and honey? Going south of the border unless you've got tons of experience and contacts and fit the image is a death sentence for mr. gringo out of towner money bags.

Plan on being a war lord of your own local area. Ass, gas, or grass. Nobody rides free.

mick silver
2nd August 2014, 01:31 PM
just load a pack up and go out an try this for yourself . it can be done . first off learn what your doing . I have lived off the land it can be done but you need to learn what your looking for in plants and learn to hunt , not everyone can kill game

Neuro
3rd August 2014, 04:21 AM
The author doesn't know shit. The forest provides and gives; if you know the forest and its secrets. In a shtf situation, do you think the locals will be accepting to outsiders showing up to use resources? No. We are heavilly armed, have plans, and know the terrain This has been dicussed heavily, from my Mormon neighbors to my outlaw biker neighbors, to the cops that live on the street. We are all on the same page.
Interesting situation! How are you planning on playing out the Mormons vs Outlaw Bikers vs Cops? They all belong to sects demanding outmost loyalty of their members for the greater good of their sect.