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Ares
28th July 2014, 04:53 PM
(Stephen Frank) Democrat Senator Fran Pavley has a bill that would give the State the responsibility of “managing” all groundwater. That means the water projects and the groundwater will be controlled by government—which will pick the winners and loser. Government will decide if you can use your private property—water—to grow your crops or be forced at the barrel of a gun give your water to your neighbor that paid nothing for the well you dug and now he will use. Want to collapse agriculture in this State literally overnight, give control of water to government.

Now a court may have decided the issue—against the free market, against private property and is ordering a county to take over control of water in its domain. This is like watching a car crash in slow motion—you see it but feel helpless to stop it.

“Sacramento Superior Court Judge Allen Sumner just issued a preliminary ruling that Siskiyou County must regulate groundwater well permits along the Scott River in accordance with “Public Trust Doctrine.” This means the water now mainly used by hay farmers also will have to be divided among commercial sports fishing, kayaking, Indian Tribes and tourist-hotel interests.”

If upheld, this is the how California will be shut down, due to water.

Lawsuit could expand state control of groundwater
July 23, 2014 – By Wayne Lusvardi, Calwatchdog, 7/23/14

Sacramento Superior Court Judge Allen Sumner just issued a preliminary ruling that Siskiyou County must regulate groundwater well permits along the Scott River in accordance with “Public Trust Doctrine.” This means the water now mainly used by hay farmers also will have to be divided among commercial sports fishing, kayaking, Indian Tribes and tourist-hotel interests.

The result will be more water shortages as additional political special interests divvy up a limited supply.

The key is the “Public Trust Doctrine,” which was explained in a 1993 report by the California State Lands Commission:

“This Doctrine originated in early Roman law and, as incorporated into English Common law, held that certain resources were available in common to all humankind by ‘natural law.’ Among those common resources were ‘the air, running water, the sea and consequently the shores of the sea.’ Navigable waterways were declared to be ‘common highways, forever free,’ and available to all the people for whatever public uses may be made of those waterways.

“In California, the Public Trust Doctrine historically has referred to the right of the public to use California’s waterways to engage in ‘commerce, navigation, and fisheries.’ More recently, the doctrine has been defined by the courts as providing the public the right to use California’s water resources for: navigation, fisheries, commerce, environmental preservation and recreation; as ecological units for scientific study; as open space; as environments which provide food and habitats for birds and marine life; and as environments which favorably affect the scenery and climate of the area.

“In National Audubon Society v. Superior Court of Alpine County (1983), the California Supreme Court held that the public trust doctrine protects not only navigation, commerce, wildlife and fishing, but also ‘changing public needs of ecological preservation, open space maintenance and scenic and wildlife preservation.’”

Court case

The Siskiyou County court case involves a recent lawsuit brought by the Environmental Law Foundation and the Pacific Coast Federation of Fishermen’s Associations against the State Water Resources Control Board and the County of Siskiyou. ELF charged that decreased water flows in the Scott River over the past 20 years are due to excessive agricultural extractions of groundwater that flow into the river, which has harmed fish populations and the navigability of the river for recreational rafting and boat fishing.

The Scott River runs 60 miles in Siskiyou County, located along the northerly state border with Oregon. The Scott River watershed is 800 square miles. About two-thirds is privately owned and a third publicly owned. Forty-five percent is used for forestry, 40 percent for grazing, and only 13 percent for cropland. The Scott River Groundwater Basin is still the only one in all of California that has surface water and groundwater legally defined as “interconnected” (Water Code 2500.5).

The Scott River watershed was “adjudicated in 1980,” meaning the normal court system for water rights settled local disputes. The Siskiyou County Superior Court ruled that all groundwater within 500 feet of the river was subject to court monitoring and restrictions on pumping.

The ruling included safeguards for fish, wildlife and natural river flow under the Public Trust Doctrine. The county issues well drilling permits outside the 500-foot zone, and the court-appointed Watermaster does so within the 500-foot setback. However, the county court has never appointed a Watermaster to govern well permits along the banks of the river within the 500-foot strip.

Writing in the June 26 issue of the California Water Law Journal, Bryan Barnhart said the ELF suit could have sought enforcement by the state Attorney General or the modification of the Siskiyou County court decree to assign a Watermaster for enforcement. Instead, the ELF filed its case in a Sacramento County court seeking to expand the Public Trust Doctrine to groundwater for the first time in California.

The Sacramento Court has issued an interim ruling that California groundwater falls within the jurisdiction of the Public Trust Doctrine. For the interim ruling to stand under final court review, ELF would have to prove that the Scott River is navigable and that sufficient groundwater flows into the river for Public Trust purposes to be impaired. A superior court ruling, however, would not set legal precedent across the entire state.

The Public Trust Doctrine also is supposed to apply only when “feasible.” Whether the Scott River is navigable would have to be a factual finding of the court, as well as whether the Doctrine is feasible during an historic drought.

Inconsistencies with lawsuit

Other developments have not deterred the ELF from filing and threatening lawsuits to agricultural irrigation districts both in Siskiyou County and California’s Central Valley asserting that groundwater falls within the Public Trust Doctrine:

A December 2000 study in the California Agriculture journal found that 80 percent of the decreased water flows over 48 years in the Scott River are due to “climate change.”
The recently released California Statewide Groundwater Elevation Monitoring study shows Siskiyou groundwater basins are not “Unmonitored.”
In May 2013, the county and North Coast Regional Water Quality Control Board sponsored a UC Davis hydrologist to develop a groundwater management tool to better manage stream flow conditions in the Scott River.
Since 2007 the nonprofit Scott River Water Trust has increased river flows by market leasing of farm water during fish migration periods.

Overblown lawsuits?

ELF has also sent letters to 22 water irrigation districts in the state threatening to sue if they fail to comply with a 2009 law requiring the reporting of the measurement of groundwater basins.

A reply came from Robert Kunde, manager for the Wheeler Ridge-Maricopa Water Storage District in Bakersfield: “We comply with the vast majority of what the law requires. We just haven’t filed some paperwork to document it.” He said high water prices due to drought are driving water conservation more than the threat of regulation.

Mark Mulkay of the Kern Delta Water District in Bakersfield said his district has been measuring water in order to charge its customers since 1965.

And nine of the purportedly noncompliant districts have already provided verification to ELF that they are following the law. Where some water districts are too small to be able to afford such paperwork, Ted Trimbleof the Western Canal Water District in Oroville is working on creating a regional water plan.

Water Grab?

If the ELF case prevails in Siskiyou County, it may not be long before such legal challenges are made againstadjudicated urban water basins upon which Southern California depends for about 60 percent of its water supplies in a dry year.

The recent $10.5 billion proposed water bond that recently failed in the California Senate included $150 million for projects proximate to “major metropolitan cities for a river that has an adopted revitalization plan” (alluding to the proposed Los Angeles River Revitalization Master Plan). All such a project needs besides money is more water than the trickle that travels down the concrete-lined flood channels today. And the only place to get that water is from local groundwater basins. Water is turning into an elixir for ecological redevelopment projects.

At stake in the Siskiyou County groundwater case — for both rural and urban groundwater users — may be more than a drop in the bucket. Making room for kayaking in the Scott River may also make way for it in the Los Angeles River by diverting drinking water from residential users to kayakers and water-oriented real estate development in a replay of “Chinatown.”

http://survivalbackpack.us/court-ends-private-property-rights-water-controlled-government/

Dogman
28th July 2014, 05:07 PM
Still suit's anyone?


6619


Then do not waste the body's water when you die, just throw the bodys into the local water recovery still, and recycle the recovered water and or bank it!


I can not understand idiots thinking when in the worst drought in the areas history would desert water for any kind of sports.

They can go pound sand, people need to eat and drink before floating any boats!

osoab
28th July 2014, 05:40 PM
Sacramento Superior Court Judge Allen Sumner (http://www.therecorder.com/id=900005509303/Allen-Sumner?slreturn=20140628201906)
http://www.therecorder.com/id=900005509303/Allen-Sumner?slreturn=20140628201906
The black robe wearer seems to be a political hack. Worked for Gerry Brown was appointed to the bank bench, oops, by Gray Davis.

Still looking for a bio, but the last name gives me the heebie jeebies.

Ponce
28th July 2014, 07:18 PM
I have been talking about it for a longgggggg time, now then.........all that bottled water? will they have to start paying wholesale from uncle sugar for the water that they use? will they pay any taxes on it?

V

Cebu_4_2
28th July 2014, 08:14 PM
http://www.therecorder.com/id=900005509303/Allen-Sumner?slreturn=20140628201906
The black robe wearer seems to be a political hack. Worked for Gerry Brown was appointed to the bank bench, oops, by Gray Davis.

Still looking for a bio, but the last name gives me the heebie jeebies.

Don't work, can I have the password and user ID?

osoab
29th July 2014, 02:22 AM
Don't work, can I have the password and user ID?

No issue opening up on my end. Nothing required.

Cebu_4_2
29th July 2014, 05:25 AM
No issue opening up on my end. Nothing required.

Wont let me in...

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osoab
29th July 2014, 07:38 AM
Wont let me in...

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Works on the home computer, not the one I am on now. If I remember, I will copy the text tonight and add to my post.

osoab
29th July 2014, 07:49 AM
Here is another bio for him.

From Intern to Jurist: A Life in Public Service (http://sacbar.org/pdfs/saclawyer/sept_oct2004/sumner.html)

palani
29th July 2014, 12:32 PM
States have no rights at all when it comes to water. Look at the description of the boundary of each state. Do any of these boundary descriptions say they include watersheds? Even if you have a state boundary that is described by a river the watershed extends to either side of the river. Where state boundaries are arbitrarily established (as straight lines) each watershed will exist on either side of that line; i.e., in multiple states.

Ponce
29th July 2014, 01:35 PM
Sure Palani........but.....where is the water coming from to start with?, they were the blessed one with the first right to water, right?...and...that's why there will be water wars.......as predicted.

V

StreetsOfGold
29th July 2014, 02:01 PM
The irony about this fighting over water is symbolic among those who will end up with not even ONE drop

Luke 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Luke 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

osoab
29th July 2014, 02:27 PM
Here's the text for my above link that required registration. Still don't know how I read without registering.

http://www.therecorder.com/id=900005509303/Allen-Sumner?slreturn=20140629172538


COURT: Sacramento County Superior
APPOINTED: Nov. 4, 2003, by Gov. Gray Davis
BORN: Aug. 1, 1951
LAW SCHOOL: Santa Clara University School of Law, 1976
PREVIOUS JUDICIAL EXPERIENCE: None

As an appointee in two governors' administrations, Allen Sumner helped write the law.

Today, as a five-year veteran of the Sacramento County Superior Court bench, he enforces it.

"Over there [in the Capitol], it's the large view, the body politic of what's the societal issue and how is it going to be resolved," Sumner said. "Here in the courtroom it's down to the specifics, sometimes very detailed. Who had the gun? Who saw him with the gun? The larger issues are kind of in the background."

Fresh out of law school, Sumner worked in then-Gov. Jerry Brown's legislative affairs office. There he saw firsthand the give-and-take needed to negotiate a bill-signing or a state budget deal. As a trial court judge, he now deals with the results of seemingly chronic budget shortages.

During a recent two-jury trial, Sumner, his court staff, the attorneys, the two defendants and 30 jurors had to wait an hour and a half to hear from an in-custody witness because the sheriff did not have a deputy available to escort her from the holding cell to the courtroom just three floors above.

Sentencing is affected by budget troubles, too, Sumner said. The county probation department doesn't have enough officers to adequately supervise offenders.

"During sentencing you're saying, how viable an option is probation if they're not being supervised?" Sumner said.

And don't even get the judge started on the lack of juror parking around the downtown courthouse. No one seems to have found an affordable solution to that problem. The county provides about 350 parking spaces for jurors, Sumner said. But on a busy day, 800 people might be summoned to the courthouse. Panicked jurors end up calling Sumner's courtroom, he said, frantically searching for a spot. Then they arrive late and frazzled.

"And then we put somebody's life in their hands. That's just frustrating," Sumner said. "I appreciate the other side [of government], but this is where the real-world effects of those decisions play out."

Sumner tries to compensate for the things he can't control with his own system of courtroom organization. Each juror receives a binder with blank paper for note-taking and submitting questions during trial, instructions for accessing the court's Web site, suggestions for nearby restaurants and, of course, a list of overflow parking lots. It may also include a copy of the jury instructions and a one-page synopsis of the trial's basic elements.

Attorneys get binders, too, with copies of the prospective jurors' questionnaires. Even probationers get sheets of information, culled by the judge, on organizations offering assistance with job training, life skills and other help.

"Being in his courtroom, you can relax a little because he's so organized," said Sacramento solo Jesse Ortiz. "There's no need to be afraid or intimidated by him. He's probably one of the best judges to appear in front of if you're new. He'll guide you through everything."

After jurors deliver a verdict, Sumner will point them to one last piece of paper in their binders: a questionnaire, asking them to gauge their experiences in the courtroom, "just for them to vent."

"If they think I'm a jerk, they can write, 'You're a jerk,'" he said.

More often, he said, jurors might say something about the parking scarcity or delays during the trial. But then, "they almost always say it was a rewarding experience."

Sumner said he didn't experience a "calling" to the law, but he found that the legal profession satisfied his interest in politics and history. After passing the bar exam, Sumner started working for J. Anthony Kline, who was then Brown's legal secretary. Seven years later, when George Deukmejian was elected governor, Sumner moved to the attorney general's office where he headed up John Van de Kamp's legislative program, laying the groundwork for the state's DNA databank and computerized fingerprint system.

When Dan Lungren was elected attorney general in 1990, Sumner moved to the government law section where he represented the state's constitutional officers and agencies in court cases. In 1998, Gray Davis, Brown's former chief of staff, was elected governor, and several months later he appointed Sumner general counsel of the State and Consumer Services Agency. In 2000, he joined Davis' legal affairs office. He was serving as chief deputy in November 2003 when Davis, in one of his last appointments as governor, made him a judge.

Now, with another Brown gubernatorial administration looming as a real possibility, Sumner said he's staying put in the courthouse.

"Every year I've been here, I've changed departments, staff or assignments," Sumner said. "All I want to do is stay in place for one year and gather lint."

For a complete list of available profiles, go to http://www.law.com/jsp/ca/judicialprofiles.jsp.

Horn
29th July 2014, 02:29 PM
Is there a reason they've not yet made it rain in California?


Rainmaker
Jan 17, 2010

Arid regions are influencing their weather using electrical technology.

According to a recent press release (http://www.arabianbusiness.com/abu-dhabi-backed-scientists-create-fake-rainstorms-in-11m-project-371038.html), the United Arab Emirates successfully caused rain to fall by making use of negative ion generators. Approximately 50 rainstorms fell in the driest months, during which time weather forecasters did not predict any rain at all.

Scientists installed a network of interconnected conductors in the desert that release clouds of negatively charged ions. As the particles rise in the hot air, they attract water vapor in the atmosphere, since water is a dipolar molecule with both positive and negative poles.


http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2011/arch11/110117rainmaker.htm

palani
29th July 2014, 02:41 PM
where is the water coming from to start with?
Should the earth have been molten in its' entirety at one time and cooled since perhaps meteorites delivered all the water now on earth.



they were the blessed one with the first right to water, right? States are restricted as to their tender of payment ... gold or silver. Bankrupt states that use debt instruments have no rights.


...and...that's why there will be water wars.......as predicted.
You would not survive without water ... and THAT'S why there will be water wars. Without water to war over there could be gas attacks, nuclear wars, missile attacks and any other means of eliminating competition to the surface of the earth.

Ponce
29th July 2014, 05:03 PM
I should go out there to make it rain by doing my Cuban dance (the mambo) but last time I did it it rain for 40 days and 40 nights.....I better not.

V