View Full Version : Eggs Don’t Cause Heart Attacks — Sugar Does
Ares
1st August 2014, 05:35 PM
It’s over. The debate is settled.
It’s sugar, not fat, that causes heart attacks.
Oops. Fifty years of doctors’ advice and government eating guidelines have been wrong. We’ve been told to swap eggs for Cheerios. But that recommendation is dead wrong. In fact, it’s very likely that this bad advice has killed millions of Americans.
A rigorously done new study shows that those with the highest sugar intake had a four-fold increase in their risk of heart attacks compared to those with the lowest intakes. That’s 400%! Just one 20-ounce soda increases your risk of a heart attack by about 30%.
This study of more than 40,000 people, published in JAMA Internal Medicine, accounted for all other potential risk factors including total calories, overall diet quality, smoking, cholesterol, high blood pressure, obesity and alcohol.
This follows on the heels of decades of research that has been mostly ignored by the medical establishment and policy makers. In fact, the Institute of Medicine recommends getting no more than 25% of your total calories from added sugar. Really?? This study showed that your risk of heart attacks doubles if sugar makes up 20% of your calories.
Yet more than 70% of Americans consume 10% of their daily calories from sugar. And about 10% of Americans consume one in every four of their calories from sugar.
Failed Dietary Guidelines
U.S. Dietary Guidelines provide no limit for added sugar, and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) still lists sugar as a “generally regarded as safe” (GRAS) substance. That classification lets the food industry add unlimited amounts of sugar to our food. At least the American Heart Association recommends that our daily diet contain no more than 5% to 7.5% added sugar. Yet most of us are eating a lot more. Most of us don’t know that a serving of tomato sauce has more sugar than a serving of Oreo cookies, or that fruit yogurt has more sugar than a Coke, or that most breakfast cereals — even those made with whole grain — are 75% sugar. That’s not breakfast, it’s dessert!
This is a major paradigm shift. For years, we’ve been brainwashed into thinking that fat causes heart attacks and raises cholesterol, and that sugar is harmless except as a source of empty calories. They are not empty calories. As it turns out, sugar calories are deadly calories. Sugar causes heart attacks, obesity, type 2 diabetes, cancer and dementia, and is the leading cause of liver failure in America.
The biggest culprit is sugar-sweetened beverages including sodas, juices, sports drinks, teas and coffees. They are by far the single biggest source of sugar calories in our diet. In fact, more than 37% of our sugar calories come from soda. The average teenage boy consumes 34 teaspoons of sugar a day, or about 544 calories from sugar. Even more troubling, this isn’t just putting kids at risk for heart attacks at some remote later date in their lives. It’s killing them before their 20th birthday.
This new research syncs with decades of data on how sugar causes insulin resistance, high triglycerides, lower HDL (good) cholesterol and dangerous small LDL (bad) cholesterol. It also triggers the inflammation we now know is at the root of heart disease.
And fats, including saturated fats, have been unfairly blamed. With the exception of trans fats, fats are actually protective. This includes omega-3 fats, nuts and olive oil, which was proven to reduce heart attack risk by more than 30% in a recent large randomized controlled study.
Here’s the simple fact: Sugar calories are worse than other calories. All calories are not created equal. A recent study of more than 175 countries found that increasing overall calories didn’t increase the risk of type 2 diabetes, but increasing sugar calories did — dramatically.
How to Cure Our Sugar Addiction
America lags far behind the rest of the world in addressing this problem. Mexico, for example, responded after learning that when soda consumption increased to 20% of calories for the average citizen, their rates of obesity and type 2 diabetes skyrocketed. Public health officials there researched effective solutions to combat obesity and diabetes from around the world.
The key interventions they implemented included taxing soda, banning junk food television advertising, and eliminating processed foods, junk food and sugar-sweetened beverages from schools. More than 15 countries have targeted sugar-sweetened beverages by taxing them — a strategy that’s proven successful.
Another effective strategy is revamping food labeling to make it clear if a food is good, should be consumed with caution, or is bad for you. In the United States, even someone with a Ph.D. in nutrition has trouble deciphering food labels. How can the average person be expected to know?
Recent and mounting scientific evidence clearly proves that sugar — and flour, which raises blood sugar even more than table sugar — is biologically addictive. In fact, it’s as much as eight times more addictive than cocaine.
The average American consumes about 152 pounds of sugar and 146 pounds of flour a year. It’s imperative that we revamp our outdated and dangerous national dietary guidelines. And we need clear strategies and medical programs to help people understand and address the health risks and addictive nature of sugar and refined carbohydrates.
That’s how we can reverse this tsunami of obesity and chronic disease that is robbing us of our health and crippling our economy.
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Shami-Amourae
1st August 2014, 05:58 PM
This video explains why sugar and polyunsaturated (liquid) oils cause many of the health issues we face, rather than things like saturated fats (butter/lard) and eggs (cholesterol).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvKdYUCUca8
Ponce
1st August 2014, 06:00 PM
Well, I was born in a sugar mill in Cuba and without sugar I would be dead......sugar wise I eat between 10 and 15 apoonfull everyday.....but I have been feeling kind of week lately, I think that I will try to take less......at 74 I am even willing to let a vampire suck on my neck.
By the way, I don't believe that REAL SUGAR can't hurt you, and I mean from sugar cane.
V
Hatha Sunahara
1st August 2014, 06:57 PM
How does flour get a rap as bad as sugar? Flour is bad because it is made from wheat that has had all its nutrients but calories removed. But it is a starch, which is a complex carbohydrate that requires some digestion to enter the bloodstream, so it has less effect on your insulin levels than does simple sucrose.
What I think is inexcusable is that for those of us who want to stay healthy, we have to work double overtime to overcome the cultural bias to load us up with excessive amounts of unhealthy stuff. The devil tempts us and then extracts a heavy price.
Hatha
vacuum
1st August 2014, 06:59 PM
Sugar (fructose) can only be processed by the liver, like many toxins.
When fructose is metabolized, it uses phosphorus, depleting the body of this mineral and hence reducing mineral content of teeth and bones. Metabolizing fructose also has fat byproducts which are created in the liver and released into the body.
You can learn more about these details and the problems with sugar here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM
vacuum
1st August 2014, 07:13 PM
How does flour get a rap as bad as sugar? Flour is bad because it is made from wheat that has had all its nutrients but calories removed. But it is a starch, which is a complex carbohydrate that requires some digestion to enter the bloodstream, so it has less effect on your insulin levels than does simple sucrose.
What I think is inexcusable is that for those of us who want to stay healthy, we have to work double overtime to overcome the cultural bias to load us up with excessive amounts of unhealthy stuff. The devil tempts us and then extracts a heavy price.
Hatha
White flour is a simple carbohydrate, mostly glucose, wheras sugar is glucose + fructose. The glycemic index of white bread is a little higher than sugar, about 70 vs 60. So it does affect insulin levels more.
Flour does have stuff like gluten in it, which is kind of toxic and I believe it can cause a "high". Most people don't notice this high because they eat wheat all the time, but if you don't eat wheat, then eat some bread, it has an impressive effect.
Wheat also contains phytic acid, mostly in whole wheat, which binds to calcium and hence depletes calcium from the body. To combat this, you need vitamin D and vitamin K2 (which is in grass fed dairy).
So it's not that great, but I'd say these effects are easier to deal with than the effects fructose has. Frutose is responsible for metabolic syndrome.
Cebu_4_2
1st August 2014, 10:32 PM
Flour does have stuff like gluten in it, which is kind of toxic and I believe it can cause a "high". Most people don't notice this high because they eat wheat all the time, but if you don't eat wheat, then eat some bread, it has an impressive effect.
Wheat also contains phytic acid, mostly in whole wheat, which binds to calcium and hence depletes calcium from the body. To combat this, you need vitamin D and vitamin K2 (which is in grass fed dairy).
So it's not that great, but I'd say these effects are easier to deal with than the effects fructose has. Frutose is responsible for metabolic syndrome.
The .Gov public progs here list what you can buy. Me and the wife went and checked it out, they promote most high fructose items and wheat bread. Nothing healthy is on the list and we did spend some time checking this out. Cereals high in fructose and cellulose high on the list also with concentrated juices also with cellulose and HF corn syrup. They know what they are doing man. Nothing that could be healthy is on any lists. You can check it out yourself at any govt agency.
I got my wife looking into this after a bombardment of calls promoting vaccinations for our 2 Mo old. Seriously 2-3 calls a day and we have no pediatrician. Fuck them.
Twisted Titan
2nd August 2014, 04:49 AM
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iOWNme
2nd August 2014, 08:23 AM
Whats crazy is sugar is in EVERYTHING. You can find it in places you would never even think to look.
Especially in processed food.
The average American probably gets 100 grams of sugar a day, and 20 grams of protein. This is a recipe for bad stuff to happen to your body.
I would also note, that Americans ate much worse 50-60-70-80 years ago than they do today. Americans used to have red meat, pie cigars, wine, potatoes, etc. everyday and there was no such thing as an 'obese' person. There were also MUCH less heart attacks back then.
100 years ago people would pay money to see a 'fat' person in a circus side show. Thats how uncommon it used to be.
BrewTech
2nd August 2014, 09:26 AM
White flour is a simple carbohydrate, mostly glucose, wheras sugar is glucose + fructose. The glycemic index of white bread is a little higher than sugar, about 70 vs 60. So it does affect insulin levels more.
Flour does have stuff like gluten in it, which is kind of toxic and I believe it can cause a "high". Most people don't notice this high because they eat wheat all the time, but if you don't eat wheat, then eat some bread, it has an impressive effect.
Wheat also contains phytic acid, mostly in whole wheat, which binds to calcium and hence depletes calcium from the body. To combat this, you need vitamin D and vitamin K2 (which is in grass fed dairy).
So it's not that great, but I'd say these effects are easier to deal with than the effects fructose has. Frutose is responsible for metabolic syndrome.
Makes me wonder why brewer's around the world are bothering to mash their grains... if this were true we could just throw the crushed up malt in the fermenter, add yeast, and presto! Beer... LOL
Flour is the crushed up STARCHY endosperm of malted and unmalted cereal grains. Until an enzymatic conversion utilizing alpha- and beta-amylase enzymes takes place, there are little to no simple sugars present. I would explain why this is, but you should already know, being an expert on cereal grain biology.
Get your facts straight.
:rolleyes:
Shami-Amourae
2nd August 2014, 10:21 AM
Well, I was born in a sugar mill in Cuba and without sugar I would be dead......sugar wise I eat between 10 and 15 apoonfull everyday.....but I have been feeling kind of week lately, I think that I will try to take less......at 74 I am even willing to let a vampire suck on my neck.
By the way, I don't believe that REAL SUGAR can't hurt you, and I mean from sugar cane.
V
If you eat sugar and suddenly stop it cold turkey your body will feel really messed up like as if it were on drug withdrawals for around a month.
Shami-Amourae
2nd August 2014, 10:30 AM
Whats crazy is sugar is in EVERYTHING. You can find it in places you would never even think to look.
Especially in processed food.
The average American probably gets 100 grams of sugar a day, and 20 grams of protein. This is a recipe for bad stuff to happen to your body.
I would also note, that Americans ate much worse 50-60-70-80 years ago than they do today. Americans used to have red meat, pie cigars, wine, potatoes, etc. everyday and there was no such thing as an 'obese' person. There were also MUCH less heart attacks back then.
100 years ago people would pay money to see a 'fat' person in a circus side show. Thats how uncommon it used to be.
You should avoid all processed food anyways. Only buy the base ingredients. I make my own tortillas, bread, sauces, and so forth from scratch. If you make something like a hamburger try to wrap it in 1-2 large pieces of lettuce over a bun for instance. If you want things like bacon and ham look for nitrate free versions which usually exist but at a higher price.
Avoid all sweeteners completely unless it is the following:
Raw honey (http://www.swansonvitamins.com/YS014/ItemDetail) (If you can get it locally from a Farmers Market, that is the BEST stuff usually)
Grade B organic maple syrup (http://www.amazon.com/Coombs-Family-Farms-Organic-32-Ounce/dp/B0083QJU72)
Stevia (herb (http://www.amazon.com/Stevia-Herb-All-Natural-Sweetener/dp/B00KHYYKL4) and concentrate (http://www.amazon.com/Planetary-Herbals-Stevia-Concentrate-2-Ounce/dp/B001G7R7VG/ref=sr_1_4?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1341716720&sr=1-4&keywords=stevia+concentrate) forms only) <-----Not the extract!!!
REAL sugar cane (Heavenly Organics (http://www.heavenlyorganics.com/productsho/sugar.aspx) or Rapunzel's Rapadura (http://www.amazon.com/Rapunzel-Organic-Whole-24-Ounce-Packages/dp/B001E5DZIO/ref=pd_sim_sbs_gro_1))
These are the only sweeteners I know of that are safe for the human body, in moderation.
mick silver
2nd August 2014, 11:53 AM
I have three fresh farm eggs every morning , nothing better to get a body moving
BrewTech
2nd August 2014, 03:53 PM
I have three fresh farm eggs every morning , nothing better to get a body moving
Bacon, eggs and cheddah on a pretzel bun. Been every morning for a while now... Feeling great, and don't think I've looked better since my early 20's.
Fat doesn't make one fat. If only folks would realize this fact, there would be monumental change across the board.
iOWNme
3rd August 2014, 06:49 AM
You should avoid all processed food anyways. Only buy the base ingredients. I make my own tortillas, bread, sauces, and so forth from scratch. If you make something like a hamburger try to wrap it in 1-2 large pieces of lettuce over a bun for instance. If you want things like bacon and ham look for nitrate free versions which usually exist but at a higher price.
Avoid all sweeteners completely unless it is the following:
Raw honey (http://www.swansonvitamins.com/YS014/ItemDetail) (If you can get it locally from a Farmers Market, that is the BEST stuff usually)
Grade B organic maple syrup (http://www.amazon.com/Coombs-Family-Farms-Organic-32-Ounce/dp/B0083QJU72)
Stevia (herb (http://www.amazon.com/Stevia-Herb-All-Natural-Sweetener/dp/B00KHYYKL4) and concentrate (http://www.amazon.com/Planetary-Herbals-Stevia-Concentrate-2-Ounce/dp/B001G7R7VG/ref=sr_1_4?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1341716720&sr=1-4&keywords=stevia+concentrate) forms only) <-----Not the extract!!!
REAL sugar cane (Heavenly Organics (http://www.heavenlyorganics.com/productsho/sugar.aspx) or Rapunzel's Rapadura (http://www.amazon.com/Rapunzel-Organic-Whole-24-Ounce-Packages/dp/B001E5DZIO/ref=pd_sim_sbs_gro_1))
These are the only sweeteners I know of that are safe for the human body, in moderation.
I havent eaten any processed food in over 7 years. I grow my own veggies, and get my meat from a local organic Butcher cut right from the animal. I havent eaten bread, pasta, rice, potatoes or any other wheat based product in about 4 years. But i will admit, about once ever couple months i will cave and have buns on my burgers. But yes, i use romain as my 'buns' all the time. :)
And i only have coffee on the weekends, which i do put a very small amount of organic evaporated cane sugar in.
Another important point about sugar consumption is alcohol. If you eat very healthy but consume a ton of alcohol you are likely getting a ton of sugar your not even aware of.
steyr_m
3rd August 2014, 07:30 AM
I've been Paleo for about 3 years. I do fall off the wagon every now and then [pasta and potatoes taste awesome] but losing weight was effortless and I haven't felt better.
BrewTech
3rd August 2014, 06:23 PM
Another important point about sugar consumption is alcohol. If you eat very healthy but consume a ton of alcohol you are likely getting a ton of sugar your not even aware of. How do you figure?
JohnQPublic
3rd August 2014, 11:07 PM
Here are a couple of past threads on this:
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?67895-Sugar-The-Bitter-Truth-%28excellent%29&highlight=sugar+bitter+truth
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?73507-Fat-Chance-Fructose-2-0-presented-by-Dr-Robert-Lustig-Sequel-to-quot-Sugar-The-Bitte&highlight=sugar+bitter+truth
Neuro
4th August 2014, 03:08 AM
Whats crazy is sugar is in EVERYTHING. You can find it in places you would never even think to look.
Especially in processed food.
The average American probably gets 100 grams of sugar a day, and 20 grams of protein. This is a recipe for bad stuff to happen to your body.
I would also note, that Americans ate much worse 50-60-70-80 (tel:50-60-70-80) years ago than they do today. Americans used to have red meat, pie cigars, wine, potatoes, etc. everyday and there was no such thing as an 'obese' person. There were also MUCH less heart attacks back then.
100 years ago people would pay money to see a 'fat' person in a circus side show. Thats how uncommon it used to be.
Evidence you provided yourself would tend to disapprove that people 'ate worse' before. There is absolutely nothing wrong with eating meat and potatoes, wash it down with some wine, and have a good cigar after the meal.
iOWNme
4th August 2014, 03:43 PM
How do you figure?
Dont you brew beer? LOL
Well, obviously you have the hard alcohols made from sugar like Rum, ect. But all alcohol must go through the fermentation process which is a simple way of saying it is converting sugars. Which is why a good portion of diabetics are alcoholics.
iOWNme
4th August 2014, 03:45 PM
Evidence you provided yourself would tend to disapprove that people 'ate worse' before. There is absolutely nothing wrong with eating meat and potatoes, wash it down with some wine, and have a good cigar after the meal.
I guess i meant 'ate worse' meaning they didnt really 'watch' what they ate. But, also all of the 'bad' food they were eating was REAL. LOL
Cancer and many other diseases were an anomaly, not the rule back then either.....
Dogman
4th August 2014, 10:05 PM
Evidence you provided yourself would tend to disapprove that people 'ate worse' before. There is absolutely nothing wrong with eating meat and potatoes, wash it down with some wine, and have a good cigar after the meal.
Wine or beer,
For dam sure, at one time, I would die if I lied, do not drink the water!
Taters saved Europe, back in the day! Or at least had a hand in people getting enough to eat and the population took off instead of starving.
At the time the majority because few owned land unless you were in one of the trades worked for some master or other of the ruling class!
Cackle Berry's are a gift from the gods that keep on giving! That got a bad rap because some ass hats said they were bad for your, which are the same bunch that said that lard was bad, but the truth was it is better than the manmade chemical crap they pushed.
Tired of going back and forth, first they say it is bad then a few years later they back up and reverse.
Hard to screw up a crackle berry, I eat close to 30 a week!
Taters ,eggs, and meat of the day!
Heaven!
Icing on the tater/meat pie with eggs on the side!
Excess sugar/salt maybe not so good, it depends on the work/lifestyle one lives. Work ones body hard it will tell what it needs if one listens. Over doing anything is never good.
It is called craving!
To the op, not sure of the heart, but it is always good not to let the sweet tooth rule, look at all of the fat and overweight people now compared to not so many years ago!
So in in the fat/overweight thing, yes sugar can cause the ticker to blow!
BrewTech
5th August 2014, 07:13 AM
Dont you brew beer? LOL
Well, obviously you have the hard alcohols made from sugar like Rum, ect. But all alcohol must go through the fermentation process which is a simple way of saying it is converting sugars. Which is why a good portion of diabetics are alcoholics.
Oh, FFS.
I have a lot of respect for you, dude, but the above post is nearly embarrassing!
Do you want me to school you right now on the fermentation process, and expose your ignorance on the subject, or would you like a reasonable amount of time time to research on your own and come back and correct yourself?
Her's a hint: your claim was that people that consume alcohol consume a lot of sugar as a direct result. That's where you're getting it wrong. I invite you to discover for yourself why that is.
BrewTech
5th August 2014, 07:39 AM
Dont you brew beer? LOL
Well, obviously you have the hard alcohols made from sugar like Rum, ect. But all alcohol must go through the fermentation process which is a simple way of saying it is converting sugars. Which is why a good portion of diabetics are alcoholics.
Yes. Converting sugars. Yeast are only interested in making more yeast. They use the nutrition in wort (or must, if one is making wine) to facilitate reproduction. They generally don't quit until all fermentable carbohydrates (simple sugars!) are consumed and converted to CO2 and ethyl alcohol.
The South Beach diet people back in the day tried to publicly, officially claim that dieters shouldn't drink beer because it contained maltose.
The beer industry promptly corrected their ignorance on the matter, and they quit making the claim.
You see, maltose is the main carbon source for yeast in alcoholic fermentation. There isn't any remaining after the process... LOL
iOWNme
5th August 2014, 03:42 PM
Oh, FFS.
I have a lot of respect for you, dude, but the above post is nearly embarrassing!
Do you want me to school you right now on the fermentation process, and expose your ignorance on the subject, or would you like a reasonable amount of time time to research on your own and come back and correct yourself?
Her's a hint: your claim was that people that consume alcohol consume a lot of sugar as a direct result. That's where you're getting it wrong. I invite you to discover for yourself why that is.
Im not offended, and i know you know more about it than me.
Not to mention the fact that beer has carbs in it What do carbs convert to? SUGAR.
There is a reason a lot of diabetics are alcoholics.
BrewTech
5th August 2014, 07:56 PM
Im not offended, and i know you know more about it than me.
Not to mention the fact that beer has carbs in it What do carbs convert to? SUGAR.
There is a reason a lot of diabetics are alcoholics.
Beer does have carbs, but that varies by beer style... some beers have nearly zero carbs, using enzymes to break down residual dextrins to simply sugars, which are then fermented (eliminated).
Naturally (honest, minimally processed) made beer is a fermented food, but should not be consumed as meals, but as a supplement to an otherwise natural diet, high in naturally-occurring fats.
The diabetes/alcohol link is clear. People that don't give a shit about what they put in their bodies tend to consume too much of the wrong things. Obese people eat too much processed food, alcoholics consume to much alcohol, regardless of the source. Both do so for the wrong reasons (abusers). That why they have the problems they have. No surprise there is a correlation.
Won't find too many obese craft beer drinking alcoholics...
mick silver
6th August 2014, 12:02 PM
DAM PEOPLE eat and drink what you want the world coming to a end didn't you all hear ... see I am thinning the herd
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