Hydrogen from water?

[JohnQPublic]

According to this linkedin thread (https://www.linkedin.com/groupItem?view=&gid=137901&type=member&item=5903457618973708289), it may involve consuming aluminum. Not a long term solution, but could be an interesting shtf device.



http://youtu.be/owMg57VEIuA

Here is another company. This one also mentioned in the linkedin thread (re: aluminum).

http://www.solarhydrogentrends.com/

[Dogman]

Be nice if the Electrolysis process can provide the volume of gas needed to fuel a combustion engine at a reasonable rate. But that takes electricity/power to produce.

To run a combustion engine large volumes of hydrogen seems to be needed. Not sure how much volume per watt a fuel cell requires, probably less would be needed.

Internal combustion engines are so dam inefficient because of energy lost as waste energy/ heat.


If that system works great.

Back edit: horn pee think of the nightmare of the inorganic/organics that pee has unless filtered.

Go down the road and leave a trail of mens rest room piss troth odor.

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Whoo hoo!

[Horn]

Ha, even pee!

Someone should make a boatload of dough off of that...

[Ponce]

And that's why everyone smile when they go past my car, it always smell like roses......no, really :)

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[Dogman]

And that's why everyone smile when they go past my car, it always smell like roses......no, really :)

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Lilacs of the field?

;)

[Ponce]

shhhhhhhh don't give out my secret.....

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[Hitch]

You can run a diesel engine with hydrogen, providing you get the right air mixture I imagine. An old salt I know talked about it. You have to start the engine with diesel, then you can switch to injecting hydrogen. Diesels, as many know, heat enough to ignite through pressure in the cylinder, not spark.

The old salt also talked about using solar to capture and store hydrogen. My thoughts is that hydrogen is extremely dangerous to store, so I wouldn't want to do that. Kaboom! if things go wrong.

[Dogman]

You can run a diesel engine with hydrogen, providing you get the right air mixture I imagine. An old salt I know talked about it. You have to start the engine with diesel, then you can switch to injecting hydrogen. Diesels, as many know, heat enough to ignite through pressure in the cylinder, not spark.

The old salt also talked about using solar to capture and store hydrogen. My thoughts is that hydrogen is extremely dangerous to store, so I wouldn't want to do that. Kaboom! if things go wrong.


You can run any engine, but you have to have massive amounts of gas to do so.

If the supply thing can be solved energy problems will go away.

Making hydrogen from water is easy, but it is the amount/volume that is the problem, keeping the energy to produce it down in a cost wise manner is the problem.

Burn hydrogen in a engine = water and carbon dioxide = clean.

But the volume of gas at a good cost at low pressure is a bugger to run a combustion engine.

More efficient to use the hydrogine in a fuel cell.

Me thinky!

[Cebu_4_2]

Hydrogen can be added to supplement the air intake and add MPG at minimal electrical taxing. Sortof like water injection but in small doses.

[7th trump]

If you want to get massive amounts of hydrogen from water to run a car down the road.....just put water under a vacuum, no electrolysis, and watch it bubble hydrogen.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=hho+from+vacuum&qpvt=hho+from+vacuum&FORM=VDRE#view=detail&mid=0A2BDF03F429E0EA51880A2BDF03F429E0EA5188

[Dogman]

Not enough to run anything, putting more energy into getting out of it that way. Not near enough gas to support any combustion of size, using a supply bank/generator that would fit into a vehicle.

If it could be done, some independent minded someone would have done it already.

[Cebu_4_2]

Not enough to run anything, putting more energy into getting out of it that way. Not near enough gas to support any combustion of size, using a supply bank/generator that would fit into a vehicle.

If it could be done, some independent minded someone would have done it already.

Yeah right, you fvcking serious? How about all the things invented on running water as fuel or using radio waves for energy? Oh yeah that's right they get poisoned, suicided or bought out and patented.

[Dogman]

Yeah right, you fvcking serious? How about all the things invented on running water as fuel or using radio waves for energy? Oh yeah that's right they get poisoned, suicided or bought out and patented. Yes I am fucking serious!

Study and comprehend then you may understand or not!

Radio waves can be used for energy, but more power is put in than got out, the power losses are frigging huge.

Running water as fuel, sure hydroelectric generation!


Try not to show your bad side, it is ugly as you have shown just a few weeks ago, when you got schooled and ignored the lesson of the blow back.

[JohnQPublic]

If this is for real, the key is that it requires aluminum metal, which takes a ton more electricity to produce than you will get out of it. Still, in a shtf scenario, you might be able to get a hold of some aluminum metal easier than a gallon of gas.

There is some type of substitution reaction going on (trading electrons between aluminum and water I guess).

[Dogman]

If this is for real, the key is that it requires aluminum metal, which takes a ton more electricity to produce than you will get out of it. Still, in a shtf scenario, you might be able to get a hold of some aluminum metal easier than a gallon of gas.

There is some type of substitution reaction going on (trading electrons between aluminum and water I guess).

Lots of al scrap around,

But I will remain a skeptic, until proven wrong!

[7th trump]

If you want to get massive amounts of hydrogen from water to run a car down the road.....just put water under a vacuum, no electrolysis, and watch it bubble hydrogen.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=...03F429E0EA5188

[Neuro]

If you want to get massive amounts of hydrogen from water to run a car down the road.....just put water under a vacuum, no electrolysis, and watch it bubble hydrogen.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=...03F429E0EA5188
Lowering the pressure only make water boil at a lower temperature, you don't get hydrogen, you get water vapour. You have to put in energy to break the ionic H2O bond...

[Neuro]

Hydrogen can be added to supplement the air intake and add MPG at minimal electrical taxing. Sortof like water injection but in small doses.
Yeah I read about it. Hydrogen into the fuel air mix allows for a quicker combustion, which allows you to adjust the piston angle to a better mechanical efficiency. You add a hydrogen electrolyser to the generator of the car. I think if I remember correctly that you could get 20-30 % better fuel efficiency. I would imagine you would get a similar improvement in power of the engine also.

[Neuro]

I remember from discussing thermite with the shills at GIM. That aluminum actually stores much less energy per unit weight compared to hydrocarbons. The reason thermite can get so hot compared to a gasoline fire is that its energy is released over a few seconds instead of over minutes. But they threw the fact that aluminum stores much less energy compared to hydrocarbons as proof that thermite would be a very poor explosive LOL!

I could be mistaken though, it could be the thermite mix that had less energy than hydrocarbons, not aluminum. You also have some interesting research on Alu-Air batteries, which may give a battery at lighter weight...

Another point, in the video I heard them say that you could drive with this hybrid tech and get a consumption between 50-150 mpg, which would suggest it is not generating hydrogen as the sole fuel, but as an additive, as mentioned by Cebu to improve combustion, instead of letting the generator of the car generating the hydrogen, this box does it, which would reduce drag from the generator I suppose...

[Horn]

Does or should the exhaust system be tuned in any fashion though?

With all the bells whistles and sensors placed there or on emission these days... imagine you'd have high content of other items in the exhaust.

[Bigjon]

If my memory serves me right gasoline engines have to fire the spark plug at 10 to 15 degrees before top dead center, which means the initial part of the burn is working against the rotation of the engine. The speed of the hydrogen flame is so much higher that the spark can be delayed until top dead center and all of the fuel is consumed and goes into productive work.

[Neuro]

If my memory serves me right gasoline engines have to fire the spark plug at 10 to 15 degrees before top dead center, which means the initial part of the burn is working against the rotation of the engine. The speed of the hydrogen flame is so much higher that the spark can be delayed until top dead center and all of the fuel is consumed and goes into productive work.
That's along the lines what I remember as well, and is the simple mechanistic reason why a hydrogen generator leads to greater fuel economy...

[mick silver]

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.607994728863499683&pid=1.7http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.608021727019205572&pid=1.7

[Horn]

If my memory serves me right gasoline engines have to fire the spark plug at 10 to 15 degrees before top dead center, which means the initial part of the burn is working against the rotation of the engine. The speed of the hydrogen flame is so much higher that the spark can be delayed until top dead center and all of the fuel is consumed and goes into productive work.

So the engine timing would need to be tuned, I'm just imagining everything in the exhaust system getting cooked.

States it uses a chemical process to create Hydrogen, hmmmm now I am a skeptic. Should just hooked it to the cigarette plug.

Very lite indeed.

http://www.maynex.com/

[Horn]

Japs got a hotty for superconducting capacitors imo. Hydrogen is kaput


Honda, Toyota to abandon hydrogen fuel cell plans

In a shocking and abrupt reversal of course, the two Japanese auto giants that had previously thrown their lot in with a hydrogen future have announced a joint venture to pursue battery electric vehicle technology that is “far more likely to succeed.”

- See more at: http://www.torquenews.com/2250/honda-toyota-abandon-hydrogen-fuel-cell-plans#sthash.Ab3xpElE.dpuf

[Neuro]

From the manufacturer:

The H2-Flex converts water into 100% pure hydrogen gas on demand! No electricity is required! No oxygen is generated. No need for O2 extenders or EFIE fuel injection system modifications to your car. Greatly improve gas mileage, can eliminate the need for gasoline and diesel, extends engine life, cleans engine while driving, increase horsepower, prevents damages caused by E10, E35, & E85; eliminates harmful emissions, will pay for itself in a few months.

Here’s the sweet part – You do not need to use 100% hydrogen to run your gas-powered vehicle or generator to benefit from hydrogen. With a small amount (5 to 10%) of pure hydrogen boost, you can use any one of these fuels in any gasoline engine: Gasoline, Natural Gas, Diesel Fuel, Alcohol (methanol or ethanol), Propane, Castor oil, Motor oil, and Old vegetable oil. You can use your original ‘gasoline’ engine to run any of these fuels as long as it is hydrogen boosted. You DO NOT need a diesel engine to run ‘French fry oil’ or bio diesel.
So one benefit would be more hydrogen is manufactured... Further no Oxygen, and you can run your gasoline engine on pretty much any oil without any modifications...