Christian anarchism

[mick silver]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism ... Christian anarchism is a movement in political theology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_theology) and political philosophy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_philosophy) which synthesizes Christianity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity) and anarchism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#cite_note-1) It is grounded in the belief that there is only one source of authority to which Christians are ultimately answerable, the authority of God as embodied in the teachings of Jesus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus), and thus rejects the idea that human governments have ultimate authority over human societies. Christian anarchists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Christian_anarchists) denounce the state (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_(polity)) as they claim it is violent, deceitful and, when glorified, idolatrous (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idolatrous).[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#cite_note-CritiqueofViolence-2)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#cite_note-3)
More than any other Bible source, the Sermon on the Mount (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sermon_on_the_Mount) is used as the basis for Christian anarchism.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#cite_note-Sermon-4) Most Christian anarchists are pacifists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_pacifism) and reject the use of violence, such as war.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#cite_note-CritiqueofViolence-2) Leo Tolstoy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Tolstoy)'s The Kingdom of God Is Within You (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kingdom_of_God_Is_Within_You) is often regarded as a key text for modern Christian anarchism.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#cite_note-CritiqueofViolence-2)[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#cite_note-tolstoy-5)

Contents


1 Origins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#Origins)

1.1 Old Testament (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#Old_Testament)
1.2 New Testament (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#New_Testament)
1.3 Early Church (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#Early_Church)
1.4 Conversion of the Roman Empire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#Conversion_of_the_Roman_Empire )
1.5 Middle Ages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#Middle_Ages)
1.6 Peasant revolts in the post-reformation era (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#Peasant_revolts_in_the_post-reformation_era)
1.7 Modern era (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#Modern_era)


2 Anarchist biblical views and practices (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#Anarchist_biblical_views_and_p ractices)

2.1 Church authority (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#Church_authority)
2.2 Pacifism and nonviolence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#Pacifism_and_nonviolence)
2.3 Simple living (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#Simple_living)
2.4 State authority (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#State_authority)
2.5 Swearing of oaths (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#Swearing_of_oaths)
2.6 Tax (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#Tax)
2.7 Vegetarianism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#Vegetarianism)


3 Present-day Christian anarchist groups (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#Present-day_Christian_anarchist_groups)

3.1 Brotherhood Church (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#Brotherhood_Church)
3.2 Catholic Worker Movement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#Catholic_Worker_Movement)
3.3 Online communities (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#Online_communities)


4 Criticism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#Criticism)
5 See also (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#See_also)
6 References (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#References)
7 Further reading (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#Further_reading)

7.1 19th century (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#19th_century)
7.2 20th century (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#20th_century)
7.3 21st century (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#21st_century)


8 External links (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#External_links)


[h=2]Origins[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christian_anarchism&action=edit&section=1)]Old Testament[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christian_anarchism&action=edit&section=2)]Jacques Ellul (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Ellul) notes that the final verse of the Book of Judges (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Judges) (Judges 21:25) states that there was no king in Israel and that "everyone did as they saw fit".[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#cite_note-6)[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#cite_note-ellul1-7)[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#cite_note-8) Subsequently, as recorded in the first Book of Samuel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Books_of_Samuel) (1 Samuel 8) the people of Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israelites) wanted a king "so as to be like other nations".[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#cite_note-9)[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#cite_note-10) God declared that the people had rejected him as their king. He warned that a human king would lead to militarism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militarism), conscription (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription) and taxation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax#History), and that their pleas for mercy from the king's demands would go unanswered. Samuel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel) passed on God's warning to the Israelites but they still demanded a king, and Saul (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saul) became their ruler.[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#cite_note-11)[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#cite_note-12) Much of the subsequent Old Testament (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Testament) chronicles the Israelites trying to live with this decision.[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#cite_note-13)
New Testament[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christian_anarchism&action=edit&section=3)]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/Bloch-SermonOnTheMount.jpg/375px-Bloch-SermonOnTheMount.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bloch-SermonOnTheMount.jpg) http://bits.wikimedia.org/static-1.24wmf15/skins/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bloch-SermonOnTheMount.jpg)
Carl Heinrich Bloch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Heinrich_Bloch)'s depiction of the Sermon on the Mount (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sermon_on_the_Mount)


More than any other Bible source, the Sermon on the Mount (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sermon_on_the_Mount) is used as the basis for Christian anarchism.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#cite_note-Sermon-4) Alexandre Christoyannopoulos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandre_Christoyannopoulos) explains that the Sermon perfectly illustrates Jesus' central teaching of love and forgiveness (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forgiveness). Christian anarchists claim that the state, founded on violence, contravenes the Sermon and Jesus' call to love our enemies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_5:44).[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#cite_note-Sermon-4)
The gospels tell of Jesus' temptation in the desert (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temptation_of_Christ). For the final temptation, Jesus is taken up to a high mountain by Satan and told that if he bows down to Satan he will give him all the kingdoms of the world.[14] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#cite_note-14) Christian anarchists use this as evidence that all Earthly kingdoms and governments are ruled by Satan, otherwise they would not be Satan's to give.[15] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#cite_note-15) Jesus refuses the temptation, choosing to serve God instead, implying that Jesus is aware of the corrupting nature of Earthly power.[16] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#cite_note-16)
Christian eschatology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_eschatology) and various Christian anarchists, such as Jacques Ellul, have identified the state and political power (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_power) as the Beast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beast_(Revelation)) in the Book of Revelation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Revelation).[17] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#cite_note-17)[18] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#cite_note-18)
Whether or not Christianity is compatible with anarchism is a point of contention, as some hold that one cannot consistently be a Christian and anarchist simultaneously. Critics include Christians and anarchists as well as those who reject both categories. For example, anarchists often cite the phrase "no gods, no masters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_gods,_no_masters)" and Christians often cite Romans 13 (see State authority (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#State_authority) below). Others, such as Friedrich Nietzsche (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Nietzsche) and Frank Seaver Billings, criticize Christianity and anarchism by arguing that they are the same thing.[19] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#cite_note-19)[20] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#cite_note-20)
Early Church[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christian_anarchism&action=edit&section=4)]See also: Early Christianity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Christianity)
Several of the Church Fathers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Fathers)' writings suggest anarchism as God's ideal.[21] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#cite_note-ChristoyannopoulosEarlyChristians-21) The first Christians opposed the primacy of the State: "We must obey God as ruler rather than men" (Acts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acts_of_the_Apostles) 4:19, 5:29, 1 Corinthians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Epistle_to_the_Corinthians) 6:1-6); "Stripping the governments and the authorities bare, he exhibited them in open public as conquered, leading them in a triumphal procession by means of it." (Colossians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistle_to_the_Colossians) 2:15). Also some early Christian communities appear to have practised anarchist communism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_communism), such as the Jerusalem group (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_centers_of_Christianity#Jerusalem) described in Acts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acts_of_the_Apostles), who shared their money and labor equally and fairly among the members.[22] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#cite_note-22) Christian anarchists, such as Keven Craig, insist that these communities were centred on true love and care for one another rather than liturgy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liturgy). They also allege that the reason the early Christians were persecuted (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Roman_Empire) was not because they worshipped Jesus Christ, but because they refused to worship human idols (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idolatry) claiming divine status (see Imperial cult (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_cult_(ancient_Rome))). Given that they refused to worship the Roman Emperor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Emperor) they refused to swear any oath of allegiance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_allegiance) to the Empire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Empire).[21] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#cite_note-ChristoyannopoulosEarlyChristians-21)
Thomas Merton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Merton) in his introduction to a translation of the Sayings of the Desert Fathers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayings_of_the_Desert_Fathers) describes the early monastics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_monasticism) as "Truly in certain sense 'anarchists,' and it will do no harm to think of them as such."[23] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#cite_note-23)
Conversion of the Roman Empire[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christian_anarchism&action=edit&section=5)]See also: Constantine I and Christianity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_I_and_Christianity) and State church of the Roman Empire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_church_of_the_Roman_Empire)
For Christian anarchists the moment which epitomises the degeneration of Christianity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Apostasy) is the conversion of Emperor Constantine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_Great) after his victory at the Battle of the Milvian Bridge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Milvian_Bridge) in 312.[24] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#cite_note-CA-24) Following this event Christianity was legalised under the Edict of Milan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edict_of_Milan) in 313, hastening the Church (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Church)'s transformation from a humble bottom-up sect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sect) to an authoritarian top-down organization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hierarchical_organization). Christian anarchists point out that this marked the beginning of the "Constantinian shift (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantinian_shift)", in which Christianity gradually came to be identified with the will of the ruling elite, becoming the State church of the Roman Empire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_church_of_the_Roman_Empire), and in some cases (such as the Crusades (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades), Inquisition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition) and Wars of Religion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Wars_of_Religion)) a religious justification for violence.[24] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#cite_note-CA-24)
Middle Ages[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christian_anarchism&action=edit&section=6)]Following Constantine's conversion, Alexandre Christoyannopoulos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandre_Christoyannopoulos) recounts that Christian pacifism and anarchism were submerged for nearly a millennium until the emergence of thinkers such as Francis of Assisi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_of_Assisi) and Petr Chelčický (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petr_Chel%C4%8Dick%C3%BD).[25] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#cite_note-25) Francis of Assisi (c.1181–1226) was an ascetic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asceticism) preacher, pacifist and nature lover. As the son of a wealthy family cloth merchant he led a privileged life and fought as a soldier, but radically changed his beliefs and practices after a spiritual awakening. Francis became a pacifist and eschewed material goods, attempting to follow in the footsteps of Jesus.[26] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#cite_note-ODCC_Francis-26) Peter Maurin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Maurin), co-founder of the Catholic Worker Movement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Worker_Movement), was heavily influenced by Francis of Assisi.[27] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#cite_note-27) Petr Chelčický's (c.1390–c.1460) work, specifically The Net of Faith, influenced Leo Tolstoy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Tolstoy) and is referenced in his book The Kingdom of God Is Within You (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kingdom_of_God_Is_Within_You).[28] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism#cite_note-28) more at site

[mick silver]

A hierarchical organization is an organizational structure (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organizational_structure) where every entity in the organization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization), except one, is subordinate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subordinate) to a single other entity. This arrangement is a form of a hierarchy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hierarchy). In an organization, the hierarchy usually consists of a singular/group of power at the top with subsequent levels of power beneath them. This is the dominant mode of organization among large organizations; most corporations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporation), governments (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government), and organized religions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organized_religion) are hierarchical organizations with different levels of management (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Management), power (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_(philosophy)) or authority (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authority). For example, the broad, top-level overview of the general organization of the Catholic Church (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_hierarchy) consists of the Pope (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope), then the Cardinals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinal_(Catholic)), then the Archbishops (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archbishop), and so on.
Members of hierarchical organizational structures chiefly communicate with their immediate superior and with their immediate subordinates. Structuring organizations in this way is useful partly because it can reduce the communication overhead by limiting information flow; this is also its major limitation.[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hierarchical_organisation ... A hierarchy is typically visualized as a pyramid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_(geometry)), where the height of the ranking or person depicts their power status and the width of that level represents how many people or business divisions are at that level relative to the whole—the highest-ranking people are at the apex (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apex_(geometry)), and there are very few of them; the base (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_(geometry)) may include thousands of people who have no subordinates. These hierarchies are typically depicted with a tree (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_structure) or triangle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle) diagram (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diagram), creating an organizational chart (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organizational_chart) or organigram. Those nearest the top have more power than those nearest the bottom, and there being fewer people at the top than at the bottom. As a result, superiors in a hierarchy generally have higher status and command greater rewards than their subordinates. ...

[madfranks]

Mick, I'm curious, do you identify as a Christian Anarchist?

[iOWNme]

I posted about this a while back.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?76382-Christian-Anarchism&highlight=christian+anarchism (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?76382-Christian-Anarchism&highlight=christian+anarchism)


The more i think about it, as an Anarchist i could NEVER sit by and allow myself to be MURDERED by the STATE without resisting. There is just no way. If Jesus REALLY wanted to teach and help people, he would advocate for DEFENSIVE FORCE to be used when it is morally virtuous to do so.

Which i why i cannot in good faith believe what the Bible says. If using defensive force to resist someone who is inititating violence is 'non Christian' then i will be first one to stand up and say "I AM NO CHRISTIAN."

[madfranks]

The more i think about it, as an Anarchist i could NEVER sit by and allow myself to be MURDERED by the STATE without resisting. There is just no way. If Jesus REALLY wanted to teach and help people, he would advocate for DEFENSIVE FORCE to be used when it is morally virtuous to do so.

Jesus did advocate for defensive force, when necessary.

Luke 22:
36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Why else would Jesus tell his followers to buy swords, if not for self defense? Regarding that incident where Peter cut off the man's ear and Jesus told him to put it away, that's because Jesus had to be arrested and tried to be crucified. Peter, maybe unwittingly, was standing in the way of the whole reason Jesus came to earth.

[hoarder]

Another political movement spearheaded by Jews?

[iOWNme]

Another political movement spearheaded by Jews?

The fact that you use 'political movement' to describe Anarchy shows that you STILL dont even grasp the concepts being talked about here.

Anarchy is not a 'movement', it is an 'anti-movement'.
Anarchy is not 'political' it is 'anti-political'.

But its ok, you dont even want to understand these concepts. They scare the hell out of you. You'e admitted it to me amy times. The 'unknown' literally makes you tremble. I wonder WHO taught you this?

Without an Authoritarian Ruling class to boss you around and steal your money, YOU would have to actually PERSONALLY figure out the world on your own. Something you are to chicken shit to do.

[iOWNme]

Jesus did advocate for defensive force, when necessary.

Luke 22:
36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Why else would Jesus tell his followers to buy swords, if not for self defense? Regarding that incident where Peter cut off the man's ear and Jesus told him to put it away, that's because Jesus had to be arrested and tried to be crucified. Peter, maybe unwittingly, was standing in the way of the whole reason Jesus came to earth.


Again, Im no Bible scholar, but why would Jesus advocate to buy swords, if he himself was going to just sit there and let them string him up on a cross? This is the contradictory nature i find in almost all Bible passages.

[hoarder]

The fact that you use 'political movement' to describe Anarchy shows that you STILL dont even grasp the concepts being talked about here.

Anarchy is not a 'movement', it is an 'anti-movement'.
Anarchy is not 'political' it is 'anti-political'.

But its ok, you dont even want to understand these concepts. They scare the hell out of you. You'e admitted it to me amy times. The 'unknown' literally makes you tremble. I wonder WHO taught you this?

Without an Authoritarian Ruling class to boss you around and steal your money, YOU would have to actually PERSONALLY figure out the world on your own. Something you are to chicken shit to do.Nonsense Big-Lib. Void creation is a political movement any way you slice it, and it pretty obvious who is going to fill that void.

[iOWNme]

Nonsense Big-Lib. Void creation is a political movement any way you slice it, and it pretty obvious who is going to fill that void.


You mean your Master told you that if you try and leave his plantation you will instantly be caged by another slave Master who may treat you even worse?

(Whatever you do, dont address what i posted. Just call me names and use your own fear to support your position)


Back on topic - Was Jesus a 'Christian Anarchist'?

[7th trump]

You mean your Master told you that if you try and leave his plantation you will instantly be caged by another slave Master who may treat you even worse?

(Whatever you do, dont address what i posted. Just call me names and use your own fear to support your position)


Back on topic - Was Jesus a 'Christian Anarchist'?

NO.......Christ wasn't an anarchist.

Render what is Caesars and render what is the Fathers...doesn't sound anarchist at all.

I don't participate in Social Security and therefore not required to have anything deducted or withheld for paying income taxes....the authorities aren't caging me!
No W3 is sent to the SSA who update the IRS files to be able to assess the federal income taxes.

So I guess your "anarchist" premise is totally wrong!

[iOWNme]

NO.......Christ wasn't an anarchist.

Render what is Caesars and render what is the Fathers...doesn't sound anarchist at all.

I have a better verse that sums up your servitude to the STATE:

Paul's Letter to the Romans - Chapter 13

"
Chapter 13

1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of him who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, 4 for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain; he is the servant of God to execute his wrath on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore one must be subject, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. 6 For the same reason you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. 7 Pay all of them their dues, taxes to whom taxes are due, revenue to whom revenue is due, respect to whom respect is due, honor to whom honor is due. "

You worship the STATE and it is your GOD.



I don't participate in Social Security and therefore not required to have anything deducted or withheld for paying income taxes....the authorities aren't caging me!
No W3 is sent to the SSA who update the IRS files to be able to assess the federal income taxes.

Do you IMAGINE this is some sort of intellectual response? LOL

You mean you looked through the scribbles of your Master to try and see what he says you need to do to become free, and then you did that? So you worship the scribbles of your Master, do exactly as he says to do, and then you IMAGINE that you are now free? GACK.

Why do you look to the scribbles of man, instead of using your own heart and mind to figure out the world? (Whatever you do, dont answer this question!)

You dont even grasp the actual concept of freedom, because you IMAGINE freedom to be something that is given to you by obeying the Master. You are no Christian, you are a STATIST who puts the scribbles of Politicians above the word of your supposed Deity. The STATE is an idol and you smash your knees into the ground to pay homage to it.

Your entire belief system contradicts itself. How can you not see this? (Whatever you do, dont answer this question!)

You are a Contradiction factory. Churning out contradictions at an alarming rate. You are at full capacity now. I'll get you that glass of dry water so you can clear that contradiction dust from your throat.

[7th trump]

I have a better verse that sums up your servitude to the STATE:

Paul's Letter to the Romans - Chapter 13

"
Chapter 13

1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of him who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, 4 for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain; he is the servant of God to execute his wrath on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore one must be subject, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. 6 For the same reason you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. 7 Pay all of them their dues, taxes to whom taxes are due, revenue to whom revenue is due, respect to whom respect is due, honor to whom honor is due. "

You worship the STATE and it is your GOD.




Do you IMAGINE this is some sort of intellectual response? LOL

You mean you looked through the scribbles of your Master to try and see what he says you need to do to become free, and then you did that? So you worship the scribbles of your Master, do exactly as he says to do, and then you IMAGINE that you are now free? GACK.

Why do you look to the scribbles of man, instead of using your own heart and mind to figure out the world? (Whatever you do, dont answer this question!)

You dont even grasp the actual concept of freedom, because you IMAGINE freedom to be something that is given to you by obeying the Master. You are no Christian, you are a STATIST who puts the scribbles of Politicians above the word of your supposed Deity. The STATE is an idol and you smash your knees into the ground to pay homage to it.

Your entire belief system contradicts itself. How can you not see this? (Whatever you do, dont answer this question!)

You are a Contradiction factory. Churning out contradictions at an alarming rate. You are at full capacity now. I'll get you that glass of dry water so you can clear that contradiction dust from your throat.

Logically if I was following the scribbles of politicians I would be like the rest of the sheeple who participate in Social security (just like you are doing at this moment) and being forced to have deductions and withholdings taken from my paycheck (just like you currently do).
See......all you do is talk a big talk about blah blah...government this....and blah blah government that.....while I'm over here actually doing it.
Yes I do grasp freedom.....its you that doesnt.....hence why you post scribbles of ignorance.
You're all hat...and no horse following the scribbles of a fool named Larkin Rose.

[mick silver]

my world . you leave me alone and I leave you alone to live the life you want too .at one time I was hardcore Baptist . Cebu lives in Tennessee I think , he knows what I mean it's all around him there

[Dogman]

my world . you leave me alone and I leave you alone to live the life you want too .at one time I was hardcore Baptist . Cebu lives in Tennessee I think , he knows what I mean it's all around him there

Bible belts have unique ecosystems, both for the good and the bad! Baptist are probably the worst of the "Thumpers" !

[iOWNme]

Logically if I was following the scribbles of politicians I would be like the rest of the sheeple who participate in Social security (just like you are doing at this moment) and being forced to have deductions and withholdings taken from my paycheck (just like you currently do).
See......all you do is talk a big talk about blah blah...government this....and blah blah government that.....while I'm over here actually doing it.
Yes I do grasp freedom.....its you that doesnt.....hence why you post scribbles of ignorance.
You're all hat...and no horse following the scribbles of a fool named Larkin Rose.

So you mean you flipped through the scribbles of the 'Politicians' and found what you needed to do to become 'free'?

You are not 1 inch closer to freedom by doing exactly what your Master says you have to do to become free. How can you not see this?


Edit: Why wont you debate me live so the world can see how irrational and contradictory my position is? LOL

[Horn]

Again, Im no Bible scholar, but why would Jesus advocate to buy swords, if he himself was going to just sit there and let them string him up on a cross? This is the contradictory nature i find in almost all Bible passages.


The sword of the Spirit is the sword with which the disciples of Christ must furnish themselves.

http://biblehub.com/luke/22-36.htm

Afterall nobody is going to hire a naked man with a sword, though possibly a naked man with good spirit.