The Realist Report - Are nuclear weapons a hoax?

[PatColo]

this basic question resides in my "I allow for the possibility...." file, :) It always was curious to me why Hiroshima & Nagasaki aren't uninhabitable for thousands of years? One commenter at JF's blog notes that Japan plays along with the hoax coz it allowed them to surrender (already inevitable), but also save face, coz everyone could understand how foolish it would be to continue fighting an enemy with such a monstrous new bomb...? 1h 45m:


Tuesday, August 19, 2014


The Realist Report - Are nuclear weapons a hoax? (http://www.john-friend.net/2014/08/the-realist-report-are-nuclear-weapons.html)





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Photographers connected to a military funded movie studio based in Laurel Canyon filming a "nuclear weapon" test.






On this edition of The Realist Report, we'll be joined by Rae West of www.Big-Lies.org (http://www.big-lies.org/) and www.NukeLies.org (http://www.nukelies.org/). Rae and I will be discussing the very real possibility that nuclear weapons are in fact a hoax and a variety of other subjects. You can download the entire program here (http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-128766/TS-890053.mp3).



Below are relevant links for this program:




"Have you heard the idea nuclear bombs are a myth?" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKwcqUMCvEQ&list=PLCEC4E624A6AD4052) - vid
NukeLies.org YouTube playlist (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKwcqUMCvEQ&list=PLCEC4E624A6AD4052)
Guided Tour of our Hiroshima/Nagasaki/WWII/'A-bomb' Forum (http://www.big-lies.org/NUKE-LIES/www.nukelies.com/forum/tour-Hiroshima-Nagasaki-A-bomb-nuke-hoax-links.html)
THE NUKE HOAX (http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=452#p715551)- September Clues
The Bomb Chroniclers - The New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/14/science/14atom.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2&ref=us)




Posted by John Friend (http://www.blogger.com/profile/17331636747072636125) at 11:28 AM 8 comments: (http://www.john-friend.net/2014/08/the-realist-report-are-nuclear-weapons.html#comment-form)

[PatColo]

Reflecting on the show above, guest Ray West did make a compelling case the Hiro/Naga nuked story was a psyop. But I have to wonder, is it possible that "The A Bomb" simply wasn't developed enough in mid-1945 when Japan was already desperate to surrender; and so they did the fire-bombing pretending to be A-bombing psyop at that time, then in the following few years, the A-bomb's development was actually completed?

I think of, for example, how one of the short list of motives JFK-realists attribute for TPTB's murdering him, was due his opposition to izzy getting A-bombs?

And on Ray's belief that nuke power plants are also fake, and Fukushima is a non-event; what are those geiger counters responding to when they click more rapidly when getting near something radioactive?

Ray was also weak on the question of nuclear submarines, where he said yes that's a hoax but they are powered in some other way, he just doesn't know how? Are the nuclear technician/engineer portion of a sub's crew in reality just perhaps diesel mechanics, with high security clearances to keep them quiet, while all the "power plant" aspects of supposedly nuclear subs are kept strictly off limits to the rest of the crew?

I've only given this podcast 1 listen, and haven't watched Ray's video, so just kicking around ideas like the theory in the first paragraph above which would seem to answer the Hiro/Naga psyop question while also allowing that nukes became quite real just a few years after ww2 ended. ???

[Dachsie]

I have not listened to this show and know very little on the subject other than I have noticed that the strongest, most outspoken Simon Shack / September Clues supporters have often posted comments on VT and Dr. Fetzer's blog touting the no-nukes position, especially in response to Dr. Fetzer's position on nukes destroying the Twin Towers on 9-11 as will as the other five WTC buildings, excluding Bldg 7. (I have some serious doubts about Simon Shack's modus operandi, though I do accept some of his information. But it is odd that the everything-is-faked Shack crowd are strongly associated with the nukes-are-fake thesis.)

If the Apollo "man on the moon" thing was a hoax, and it looks very much like it was, I cannot rule out completely that nukes are or were a hoax in the beginning. I like your idea, PatColo. Nukes. nukes of many kinds that we know little or nothing about, are a reality today.

When looking at the past and trying to determine what really did happen and what only was said to have happened, we have a very difficult time today in establishing the real truth of the matter. Eyewitnesses are either unreliable or dead and gone. Actual "evidence" meaning the highest legal definition of that word is also almost impossible to establish.

I personally would like to know what really happened and what did not happen or at least what we can find no evidence of in Hitler's eugenics programs in NAZI Germany. If you search on the term "Hitler and eugenics", you will get thousands of solid looking hits but those can possibly be deceptions to a large degree.

There are some good research resources on the web but the problem is find them amidst the massive amounts of misinformation and disinformation.

[PatColo]

I don't trust Simon Shack ("September Clues" creator, for the unaware). I heard his appearance with JFriend and on another show, I think fakologist? He made a few interesting "little points", like the utter ridiculousness of the wall of "Looking for [person x]" flyers in Manhattan depicted on TV 9/11 evening.... that hadn't occurred to me before; as if the "missing" were 2 year olds, or kittens?! But he loses me on the bigger, more material issues.

One thing Simon is overboard on, besides his core 9/11 assertions, is his proclaimed belief that satellites don't exist. So all those huge and home-sized satellite dishes, which mess up your Dish-TV picture if messed with, are all part of a giant hoax! :D

You prolly know of my thread,
Thread: Critical of JFetzer & JFriend's No Planes @ WTC campaign (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?71312-Critical-of-JFetzer-amp-JFriend-s-No-Planes-WTC-campaign)
wherein you'll find:


Interesting twist here; JFetzer and 2 other authors cranked this out:

Saturday, January 18th, 2014 | Posted by Jim Fetzer (http://www.veteranstoday.com/author/fetzer/)
Simon Shack, obf and the 9/11 “September Clueless” distractors (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/01/18/simon-shack-obf-and-the-911-september-clueless-distractors/)


wherein they attack S.Shack and a couple others. Conspicuously NOT mentioned is J.Friend, who's one of Shack's biggest disciples. Fetzer is a "no-planer", but IIRC, his 'theory' is that they used 'holograms', :P

It seems FetzerCo maybe didn't want to spoil his amicable relationship with Friend, by not mentioning him in this piece.


....and it seems Simon has some jooowey connections!

On Apollo, I lean towards it (them...) being hoaxed, or more like a real/hoax mix (thousands came out for the rockets taking off... but what after they disappeared out of sight?); but ultimately I don't know all the answers. :|~

Hollywood's cranking out "Capricorn One (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077294/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1)" in 1977 would seem to have been offered with a wink & nod,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoZ2AySW2bY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoZ2AySW2bY

and students of Kubrick's post-Apollo movies say he gives many clues about the truth in them.

[Ponce]

Ahhhhhhhhh, finally......this story works well with my theory that the state of Israel does NOT have nuclear weapons and that all that they are doing is to put on a big show for the rest of the world........the have their "buggy?" man.....only thing that bugs me is the radiation coming out of their embassy in DC.

V

[Dachsie]

I was not aware of that thread of yours and may go back and read it. I, of course, did read Dr. Fetzer's article that your thread was responding to.

I do not know what IIRC is or means.

I listened to one video by the fakeologist (ab) and at first was impressed about his comments about the original day of 9-11 mainstreat tv network video coverage. I posted one comment on ab's blog but then got to thinking about ab's wording and what he was avoiding saying. I decided not to respond to replies to my post and not go there anymore. The fakeologist guy is joined at the hip with the Shacksters. (I cannot say for sure, and I know it is only a clue and not conclusive, by the guy "ab", the fakeologist is Jewish and he always limits his vocabulary to terms "the globalists" etc. ala Alex Jones. And so does Shack)

That is pretty funny about SS thinking satelites are not real. Shack also claimed that the producers of the made for TV Hollywood movie, 9-11, had a device that disabled all video cameras within a large radius of ground zero and that this device also made it impossible to people to take still photos of the aftermath there for a long time after 9-11. That is his basis for claiming that ALL videos of events on the day of 9-11 were fake and genuine videos would have been impossible. SS has quietly dropped speaking of that special camera blocking device but still claims the entire videographic and photographic record of 9-11 / NYC is fake.
(I think some of the video is fakery, for sure, but not all of it.)

One of the very recent articles by Dr. Fetzer at VT gave some new very concrete info regarding the Mossad's role in 9-11. I always appreciate info of that nature as I feel it has been a big blank spot in exposing full 9-11 truth over the years. (I do not believe in the "dancing Israelis" meme (was part of the big 9-11 Plan to deceive in very sophisticated ways) and I do not at all buy in to the hologram thing. Wonder why all these purported eyewitnesses never reported seeing the planes involved in projecting the hologram? rhetorical question )

I will stifle now as I am getting off the no-nukes thread subject.

[midnight rambler]

Indeed, the Soviets had some killer FX in 1961 to pull this hoax off -


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9AMtUeyDP0

[SWRichmond]

I have a degree in Nuclear Engineering, have worked on and operated Navy nukes as well as commercial plants.

You are an idiot.

[PatColo]

ya, good ol' thread drift LOL :D IIRC = If I Recall Correctly. You'll also see AFAIC & AFAIK = As Far As I'm Concerned/Know.

There is a fairly new sub-strand within the truther movement, who their critics (like me...) call the "Everything's Fake Crowd". Nuke bombs/energy, satellites, Apollo (which I'll grant them), everything about 911, every shooting or mass casualty event, every image you see the joozmedia dishing out. All CGI, green screen, actors, etc. Dallas Goldbug, Fakeologist, SShack, Ray West (?), others. Pattern appears to be: gain some street cred with something compelling, and likely truly faked; then bury it in retardedness. DGB's AZ shooting vid was compelling, then he went retarded. RWest's Hiro/Naga-Hoaxed theory is compelling, then he buries it in retardedness. >:(

The Fakeologist (FO) guy had one or a couple(?) joo-wise guests on his show a couple months ago now, and they were getting along swimmingly for an hour or so, then the guests started trying to pin FO down on the joo question, how all roads seem to lead to them. FO was awkwardly doing the AJ shuffle in response; I recall a lot of "diffuse the heat" noise, IE everyone's guilty, coming from FO. I wish I could remember which show that was... in fact, FO may have been the guest on the joo-wise host's show?

FauxCapitalist aka Jason Erb summarizes most of FO's shows, http://fauxcapitalist.com/?s=Fakeologist but I don't see the one I'm thinking of... suggesting FO was the guest on another host's show.

[PatColo]

I have a degree in Nuclear Engineering, have worked on and operated Navy nukes as well as commercial plants.

You are an idiot.

You're presumably referring to Ray West? :)

Do you allow for the possibility that the Hiro/Naga "nukings" were hoaxed? That rather, they were fire bombed as the WW2 allies had a strong track record of doing by '45; then hoaxed up as nukings, in secret cahoots with the JP PTB?

[SWRichmond]

You're presumably referring to Ray West? :)

Do you allow for the possibility that the Hiro/Naga "nukings" were hoaxed? That rather, they were fire bombed as the WW2 allies had a strong track record of doing by '45; then hoaxed up as nukings, in secret cahoots with the JP PTB?

We did the math in class...the difference between bombs and power plants is very real, but there are no longer many "secrets" to building an atomic bomb. The physics of a power plant's fuel and many other design parameters make it impossible for it to "go off" like what we know as an "atomic bomb". Making an atomic bomb go off is the hard part, it's actually quite hard. But what has to be done is well known, and has been done many times. I have never personally seen an atomic detonation, so I cannot personally vouch for it. I've never seen a neutron, or France, for that matter, either, but I am more than reasonably certain they exist.

[PatColo]

^ so, your take on the "Hiro/Naga 'nukings' were hoaxed" question?

incidentally, it's also possible that the Manhattan Project HAD reached the viable A-bomb stage, but there were too many real-world unknowns about the fallout question, successful detonation as you noted, etc as they could not reasonably "test" it a few dozen times to know exactly how the JP nukings could be expected to go down. Rae West's means/motives/opportunity case for Hiro/Naga being hoaxed (cities actually being fire bombed) made perfect sense to me. Why aren't Hiro & Naga radioactive no-mans-lands today, again? His "nuke power/bombs are fake" stuff dealing with the modern day, I'd file in the circular bin. But you should give this show a chance, just to hear the Hiro/Naga part. :)

I commented (http://www.john-friend.net/2014/08/the-realist-report-are-nuclear-weapons.html?showComment=1408539386033#c6034589604 319267193) at JFriend's blog, Rae (not Ray, oops!) is hanging out there; we'll see if he replies?

[singular_me]

It always was curious to me why Hiroshima & Nagasaki aren't uninhabitable for thousands of years?

RE: speaks by itself... hadnt thought of that one... another step down the rabbit hole

[SWRichmond]

Not large weapons, so not much fallout produced. I am sure that it is there in small amounts and could be found easily upon looking.

To make a radioactive wasteland for years requires huge amounts of fallout, which is produced when dirt / dust etc are irradiated by the nuke detonation and then thrown into the air. The weapons detonated in Japan were really not large at all compared to what is now available. A few Kilotons, versus the 25 Megaton behemoths once fielded by the USSR, in order to use blast to make up for lack of accuracy.

You can also make a radioactive wasteland with a remarkably poorly designed nuke plant catastrophe like Chernobyl. The RBMK-1000 should never have seen service. "Let's mix radioactive material and flammable material closely together, and put them in a non-pressure containment." What the fuck were they thinking? I have also always been very very skeptical of the first-gen BWR plants especially, and of BWR plants in general. Never liked them.

[Glass]

You can also make a radioactive wasteland with a remarkably poorly designed nuke plant catastrophe like Chernobyl. The RBMK-1000 should never have seen service. "Let's mix radioactive material and flammable material closely together, and put them in a non-pressure containment." What the fuck were they thinking? I have also always been very very skeptical of the first-gen BWR plants especially, and of BWR plants in general. Never liked them.

I've never really been convinced it was an accident. Was it attacked? Don't know. Was it sabotage? Don't know either. Interesting that Chernobyl is in Ukraine.

[PatColo]

I've never really been convinced it was an accident. Was it attacked? Don't know. Was it sabotage? Don't know either. Interesting that Chernobyl is in Ukraine.

Jim Stone is prolly the leading proponent of the theory that 1) the quake was much smaller than a 9 mag, 2) the tsunami was a manipulated event, HAARP and/or an under water explosive, 3) dajooz, who held the security contract for the Fuku plant (?!?) infected the comp's with Stuxnet, & 4) dajooz blew up Fuku, prolly with (mini) nukes.

http://jimstonefreelance.com/fukushima1.html

[monty]

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[Jerrylynnb]

I read that there were two types of atomic bombs, uranium and plutonium. The uranium was easier to make and detonate, but, it required so much uranium ore that it was prohibitively expensive and not feasible for the war effort. Plutonium, which was not found in nature but was a byproduct of a nuclear "breeder" reactor, was in sufficient supply for enough bombs to destroy Japan.

The bulk of the scientific effort was in figuring out how to detonate the plutonium bomb, which kept on yielding "fizzles" until they came upon the secret of priming the critical mass with a super-radioactive-extract of beryllium (or one of the other rare earths, I forget), which somehow caused the runaway fission of the plutonium atoms to be a few nanoseconds ahead of the matter disruption from the mechanical expansion of the explosion. It gets way over my head, but, since they kept getting "fizzles" with their attempts to detonate a plutonium bomb, until Germany surrendered, it is a reasonable speculation that they learned this secret to priming the plutonium fission (with one of the rare earths) from the German scientists.

They had built a breeder reactor somewhere in California, which was producing enough plutonium to destroy Japan, but, they also got an unknown (but suspected to be hefty) supply of both uranium extract AND plutonium from the captured Germans.

This nonsense about there not being nuclear bombs is akin to flat earth talk - might as well watch a clip of The Three Stooges for amusement.

And for Israel having nukes, better be safe and believe it - they got a lot of underground, hidden, activity going on over there in Demona, and, MOST of the american scientist at Los Alomos WERE JEWS (doesn't take a nuclear scientist to figure out where their loyalty lies).

[PatColo]

Reflecting on the show above, guest Ray West did make a compelling case the Hiro/Naga nuked story was a psyop. But I have to wonder, is it possible that "The A Bomb" simply wasn't developed enough in mid-1945 when Japan was already desperate to surrender; and so they did the fire-bombing pretending to be A-bombing psyop at that time, then in the following few years, the A-bomb's development was actually completed?

Charles Giuliani, now on Renegade Broadcasting, just came out with his belief that at least in 1945, nukes weren't finished development, so Hiro/Naga was prolly firebombed as I suggested above. He doesn't take a strong position on whether nukes were developed later sometime, and thus if we have them today.

It's mostly the 2nd half of this show where he gets into all the nukes related frauds which make him certain about their non existence in '45. First half he takes some extraneous-topic calls. So jump to about the middle of this show for his nukes related spiel:

Truth Hertz: The Nuclear Weapons Fraud (11-23-15) (http://www.renegadebroadcasting.com/truth-hertz-the-nuclear-weapons-fraud-11-23-15/)
Giuliani also did this show, nuke related, coz rosenbergs were (allegedly...) convicted & executed based on the charge that they gave nuke secrets to the soviets,

Truth Hertz: The Rosenberg Trial (11-24-15) (http://www.renegadebroadcasting.com/truth-hertz-the-rosenberg-trial-11-24-15/)

[BarnkleBob]

So the claim is that the atom was split and this causes a chain reaction with the violent heat & intensity of the sun.... LMAO

If this is true, when the Uranium fuel is exhausted, the chain reaction would move onto other sources... "nature abhors a vacuum," same concept operates with split atoms. they would consume until there is nothing remaining...

Splitting the atom is quite a claim! All the $ stollen and accounted for in the nuke hoax. Perfect cover....

Secondly, current physics places electrons outside of the atom in an electron cloud, the electrons only manifest in the atom when called upon by the observer... its a hoax, like almost everything else designed to control the masses....

[midnight rambler]

Right, the Russians abandoned all that equipment at the Chernobyl exclusion zone to further a hoax, not because it was too hot to be around.

Sure. Got it.

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/photo/2011/03/the-chernobyl-disaster-25-years-ago/c09_11025038/main_900.jpg?GE2DEMBVGIYTQMZRFYYA====

[StreetsOfGold]

Nuclear energy is REAL
Nuclear BOMBS are a made up FANTASY, created to keep you in FEAR

[Ares]

Nuclear energy is REAL
Nuclear BOMBS are a made up FANTASY, created to keep you in FEAR

So let me see if I understand this correctly.

Nuclear energy is real, yet releasing an uncontrolled nuclear blast is not? ???

It's not a far stretch of physics to go from splitting atoms in a controlled manner to generate electricity to splitting all atoms at once in an uncontrolled manner to generate an explosion. Its the same process.

[Shami-Amourae]

So let me see if I understand this correctly.

Nuclear energy is real, yet releasing an uncontrolled nuclear blast is not? ??

It's not a far stretch of physics to go from splitting atoms in a controlled manner to generate electricity to splitting all atoms at once in an uncontrolled manner to generate an explosion. Its the same process.

It's the Jesuits, and not the Jews.

The Earth is Flat.

https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1421/08/1421086573274.jpg

[Jewboo]

...

made up FANTASY, created to keep you in FEAR




http://gold-silver.us/forum/image.php?u=3606&dateline=1308074231

[Jewboo]

... its a hoax, like almost everything else designed to control the masses.



http://www.armagedon.org.il/images/thesundaytimes.jpg

Thanks BagelBob for helping us dumb goyim figure this intellectual stuff out!


:)

[monty]

Nuclear energy is REAL Nuclear BOMBS are a made up FANTASY, created to keep you in FEAR http://s19.postimg.org/u7r0od5r7/image.jpg

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[Shami-Amourae]

http://s19.postimg.org/u7r0od5r7/image.jpg

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OMG that's Photoshop! That comes from a curved lense which makes you think there's a crater, but it's an optical illusion and PHOTOSHOP!

[JohnQPublic]

So the claim is that the atom was split and this causes a chain reaction with the violent heat & intensity of the sun.... LMAO

If this is true, when the Uranium fuel is exhausted, the chain reaction would move onto other sources... "nature abhors a vacuum," same concept operates with split atoms. they would consume until there is nothing remaining...

Splitting the atom is quite a claim! All the $ stollen and accounted for in the nuke hoax. Perfect cover....

Secondly, current physics places electrons outside of the atom in an electron cloud, the electrons only manifest in the atom when called upon by the observer... its a hoax, like almost everything else designed to control the masses....

Where does all the electricity coming out nuclear power plants come from? Hidden Tesla free energy devices? Cold fusion?

[monty]

OMG that's Photoshop! That comes from a curved lense which makes you think there's a crater, but it's an optical illusion and PHOTOSHOP!

I know.

I worked there for 9 months in 1972.

[Shami-Amourae]

Where does all the electricity coming out nuclear power plants come from? Hidden Tesla free energy devices? Cold fusion?

It's Catholic Mystery Energy.

[StreetsOfGold]

http://gold-silver.us/forum/image.php?u=3606&dateline=1308074231

Amazing how the anti Christs take what God said and try to make you think it's the exact OPPOSITE of what it is
Jewboo = lost anti Christ (on his way to hell)

2 Timothy 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

If there is ONE fruit (evidence) of the scripture and that is there is no real FEAR for the believer, which men typically have and are prone to by those trying to instill it

[Jerrylynnb]

Sometime back in the 90's, I read the definitive book about this, "The Making of the Atom Bomb", by Richard Rhodes. In this book, he takes us into the laboratory of Enrico Fermi, where he kept getting a slight loss of weight (matter, that is) from his experiments with the rare earths, and, it was a German chemist, who read his papers pondering his lost of a teenincy spit of matter, that suggested that maybe the rare earths were "converting" into elements of lesser atomic weight. So it was a chemist, not a physicist, who tossed out the idea that matter was disappearing during Fermi's experiments, involving super thin sheets of gold (you guys here ought to like that) getting bombarded with high speed streams of rare earth atoms.

Anyway, if you read that book, you'll see that Fermi then went after that notion with zeal, and, it was Fermi who first PROVED, empirically (by checking, and DOUBLE checking) his measurements, and came up with the conclusion that a small percentage of uranium atoms were converting into lead (and something else, I forget), both of which weigh ever-so-slightly less than the original uranium atom. Rhodes quotes Fermi, who later told his close associates, that, after he had done all the computations, using the conversion from matter to energy (E=MC**2), first proposed earlier by another Italian (Pretto, NOT that jew plagiarizer, Ein-whatever the hell-stein), that he looked out the window of his 2nd story Italian lab, and commented to his assistants, that, one clump of purified uranium the size of a soft ball would destroy everything up and down the street outside, and all the streets anywhere near. It was Fermi who could figure how much energy was stored up in the atoms of the rare earths, clamoring to get out, but held firmly in place until just the right conditions were present for converting to lead and letting all that energy go in the form of radiation.

I'd encourage anyone who wants to seriously find out about how atomic power, and bombs, etc. came about, read that book by Richard Rhodes.

As it turned out, Fermi immigrated to america because his wife (a jewess), and children felt uncomfortable when their leader, Mussolini (IL Duce) made a compact with Hitler and turned on the jews in Italy. So, the US got the benefit of one of the greatest physicists of all times, Enrico Fermi, who went on to build the first nuclear reactor in Chicago, and, provided the necessary super brains to bring it all about. It is reasonable speculation that the Germans were on the same track (they had the brains for it), and that they probably had accumulated a sizable quantity of separated uranium and plutonium (from breeder/reactors hidden in the German hinterland), but that they didn't have the necessary funding to go at it like the americans, with their unlimited funding.
Plus, the Germans didn't really have a way to deliver an atomic bomb, even accepting that Hitler would have allowed it (some say he would not, having been blinded in WWI from poisonous gas, the use of which he had considered to be dishonorable).

You young squirts may not have been told, but, over 50 years ago, and prior, everyone knew about radium because they used a special paint from a mix of radium to paint the dials on watches and clocks, so you could read them at night. This paint was made, not from RAW radium, but from processed radium to pull out, and concentrate, those radium atoms, from the mix, that were emitting radioactive light. The ONLY way those dials could keep on shinning light, with NO batteries), would be because they had a lot of energy stored up, leaking out by nature, and, it doesn't take genius to see that if you took radium's big brother, uranium, and, further processed it to over 90% purity (of those atoms emitting light and radiation), then an explosion would occur at some point of total purity AND total size.

These clowns who are trying to say that nuclear technology, including BOMBS, are fake, are just trying to diminish ANY serious study as to genuine FAKE things (like WTC 7), by clumping ALL the fake thoughts into one big phony balony "everything is fake" nonsense. That notion, HEAPING ON about this and that ALL being fake, sure sounds to me like a jewish thang where they get off by themselves and laugh at how some of we impressionable goy fall for their utter comical notions, like there aren't any atomic bombs, or atomic power plants, or, even radium watches, by golly. You can dismiss these idiots out of hand.

[Neuro]

It seems like people's general knowledge and understanding of physics has reached an all-time low. That's why so many believe 9/11 happened according to official version, but also more or less fantastic side stories abound (mini-nukes, planes were holograms, space beams), none of them grounded in any sort of evidence. Further since people really don't have any real understanding how the physical world is working you can fool them into believing anthropogenic global warming, and now that earth is flat, and that there are no nuclear weapons. Some are so severely lacking in physical knowledge they believe religious dogma, constitutes scientific evidence. Why is that? I think the rulers realized a long time ago, that if you could abolish critical thinking from people's minds, you could make them believe anything, magical thinking, and central to that is of course to not teach them to analyze and appreciate their physical reality!

[monty]

It seems like people's general knowledge and understanding of physics has reached an all-time low. <snip> Why is that? I think the rulers realized a long time ago, that if you could abolish critical thinking from people's minds, you could make them believe anything, magical thinking, and central to that is of course to not teach them to analyze and appreciate their physical reality!

Neuro, Exactly! That was by design. Here in the United States our education system has plummeted like a rock from being the best in the 1950's to ranking #30 in math and # 24 in science worldwide today.

[Jewboo]

these clowns who are trying to say that nuclear technology, including bombs, are fake, are just trying to diminish any serious study as to genuine fake things (like wtc 7), by clumping all the fake thoughts into one big phony balony "everything is fake" nonsense. That notion, heaping on about this and that all being fake, sure sounds to me like a jewish thang where they get off by themselves and laugh at how some of we impressionable goy fall for their utter comical notions, like there aren't any atomic bombs, or atomic power plants, or, even radium watches, by golly. You can dismiss these idiots out of hand.

:D exhibit "A" obvious jew GSUS saboteur below:


so the claim is that the atom was split and this causes a chain reaction with the violent heat & intensity of the sun.... Lmao

if this is true, when the uranium fuel is exhausted, the chain reaction would move onto other sources... "nature abhors a vacuum," same concept operates with split atoms. They would consume until there is nothing remaining...

Splitting the atom is quite a claim! All the $ stollen and accounted for in the nuke hoax. Perfect cover....

Secondly, current physics places electrons outside of the atom in an electron cloud, the electrons only manifest in the atom when called upon by the observer... Its a hoax, like almost everything else designed to control the masses....

[BarnkleBob]

Where does all the electricity coming out nuclear power plants come from? Hidden Tesla free energy devices? Cold fusion?

Better question is why is there a conventional coal, gas or oil powered electrical generating plant operating in or near every nuke plant?

[Cebu_4_2]

Better question is why is there a conventional coal, gas or oil powered electrical generating plant operating in or near every nuke plant?


To keep it powered up incase they have to shut down?

[Neuro]

To keep it powered up incase they have to shut down?
Exactly. You can't back up the emergency security systems (pumps etc) with nuclear powered electricity. If an incident happens, you turn off the power generation of the nuclear plant, but you still have to keep pumps running to cool the core. The coal plant nearby provides the power to the pumps. It really is basic logic BagelBob!

[Neuro]

Neuro, Exactly! That was by design. Here in the United States our education system has plummeted like a rock from being the best in the 1950's to ranking #30 in math and # 24 in science worldwide today.
And it is not exactly like the rest of the world has improved!

[midnight rambler]

Better question is why is there a conventional coal, gas or oil powered electrical generating plant operating in or near every nuke plant?

To insure there's outside power for the nuke plant in case of a shutdown situation and for any reason the nuke plant is unable to use it's own onsite backup standby power (diesel gensets) to keep the water pumps and controls energized. A nuke plant without power is subject to melting down.

[Cebu_4_2]

A nuke plant without power is subject to melting down.

A nuke plant WILL melt down.

[Neuro]

A nuke plant WILL melt down.
BagelBob says that the Fukushima plants don't exist, and nothing bad happened!

[BarnkleBob]

BagelBob says that the Fukushima plants don't exist, and nothing bad happened!

When I want to hear from clowns I go to the circus!

And of course I never said nor implied anything concerning Fukushima. Which axiomatically & automatically make you a liar suffering from one or more personality disorders.

Your just a small minded very confused attention seeking persona who lacks discussion & debating skills, hence your continuous ad hominen attacks against various personas on these boards... Disruption is your mark, lies & disinfo are your product, your a very unhappy sub-human parasite....

[Neuro]

When I want to hear from clowns I go to the circus!

And of course I never said nor implied anything concerning Fukushima. Which axiomatically & automatically make you a liar suffering from one or more personality disorders.

Your just a small minded very confused attention seeking persona who lacks discussion & debating skills, hence your continuous ad hominen attacks against various personas on these boards... Disruption is your mark, lies & disinfo are your product, your a very unhappy sub-human parasite....
Coming from you it is a badge of honor! Thank you moron!

[Jewboo]

BagelBob says that the Fukushima plants don't exist, and nothing bad happened!



BagelBob followed Hoarder over here after banning him at GIM2. His malevolent motives here are obvious.




BarnacleBob (http://www.goldismoney2.com/member.php?13327-BarnacleBob)

http://www.goldismoney2.com/images/scarletrush/statusicon/user-offline.png
GIM Founding Member & Mod.
:rolleyes: BagelBob's current avatar over at GIM2

[Jewboo]

Your just a small minded very confused attention seeking persona who lacks discussion & debating skills, hence your continuous ad hominen attacks against various personas on these boards... Disruption is your mark, lies & disinfo are your product, your a very unhappy sub-human parasite...



:rolleyes: The irony of BagelBob's angry post. BagelBob's sig line:


"The first reaction to truth is hatred”-- Tertullian

[Neuro]

BagelBob followed Hoarder over here after banning him at GIM2. His malevolent motives here are obvious.



:rolleyes: BagelBob's current avatar over at GIM2
It is obvious, yes! He doesn't care whether nuclear power is real or not, which he implied with his
coal-/gas-powered plants next to nuclear plants post! LOL

[Neuro]

:rolleyes: The irony of BagelBob's angry post. BagelBob's sig line:
LMAO!

Nuclear power is not real, but Fukushima is!

And he meltdowns in hate!

[Jewboo]

LMAO!

Nuclear power is not real, but Fukushima is!

And he meltdowns in hate!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yYXkL7W1Bg

After mass-banning all the "haters" over at GIM2 their Founding Member & Mod follows Hoarder over here to kosherize GSUS.





BarnacleBob (http://www.goldismoney2.com/member.php?13327-BarnacleBob)

http://www.goldismoney2.com/images/scarletrush/statusicon/user-offline.png
GIM Founding Member & Mod.

[BarnkleBob]

More little mindless gargoyle & gremlin parasites with personality disorders employing modern technology attempting to play with the grown ups...

Your implications of the demise of Hoarder @ GIM and the other various activities that you parasites engage in with not only me, but other members on these boards is truly indicative of your ignorance and how little you actual do know & understand... Your failures are of no concern to me.

[Jewboo]

BarnacleBob (http://www.goldismoney2.com/member.php?13327-BarnacleBob)

http://www.goldismoney2.com/images/scarletrush/statusicon/user-offline.png
GIM Founding Member & Mod.

...little mindless gargoyle & gremlin parasites with personality disorders employing modern technology attempting to play with the grown ups...you parasites engage in with not only me, but other members on these boards is truly indicative of your ignorance and how little you actual do know & understand... Your failures are...



GIM Founding Member & Mod must think his censorship authority and ban hammer at GIM2 extends over here to GSUS.


http://www.thepowderblues.com/forum/images/smilies/shrug.gif Delusional or what your tribe calls "chutzpah"

[Neuro]

GIM Founding Member & Mod must think his censorship authority and ban hammer at GIM2 extends over here to GSUS.


http://www.thepowderblues.com/forum/images/smilies/shrug.gif Delusional or what your tribe calls "chutzpah"

One can always dream, no? ;D

[Jewboo]

One can always dream, no? ;D




http://www.jonathanpollard.org/2007/022807a.jpg
OY VEY! OUR MEMBERSHIP HERE AT GIM2 AFTER BANNING ALL THOSE HATERS HAS SHRUNK TO 27. I NEED BAGELBOB TO INFILTRATE GSUS AND LURE SOME GOYS BACK OVER HERE.



:rolleyes:

[Neuro]

http://www.jonathanpollard.org/2007/022807a.jpg
OY VEY! OUR MEMBERSHIP HERE AT GIM2 AFTER BANNING ALL THOSE HATERS HAS SHRUNK TO 27. I NEED BAGELBOB TO INFILTRATE GSUS AND LURE SOME GOYS BACK OVER HERE.



:rolleyes:


Let's tell them stupid goys the elements in the periodic table isn't real!

[BarnkleBob]

GIM Founding Member & Mod must think his censorship authority and ban hammer at GIM2 extends over here to GSUS.


http://www.thepowderblues.com/forum/images/smilies/shrug.gif Delusional or what your tribe calls "chutzpah"



More absolute dellusional juvenile horse crap.... As previously stated, you parasites possess personality disorders... I personally do not know nor do I care to know the circumstances that you endured that formulated such great disturbances & chaos that manifested in your minds and has become your outward disturbed melancholy personalities.... For some unknown reason you cling to mindless drama while your repulsed by original civilised organic discussion & debate.

Your lack of empathy, sensitivity & social mores places you in the lower classes of mental, creative & intellectual abilities... And your to dellusional to even recognize your defects.

You put your noses in every ones business while you & your business collapse aro

[Neuro]

What is your purpose here BagelBob? Really?

[Jewboo]

What is your purpose here BagelBob? Really?



http://www.chartseeker.com/images/AU-1Y-LG.png

Have you seen GIM2 recently? Nobody posts there anymore. Pro-Israel forum where they watch Kitco charts dive while emotionally fondling their last remaining jew gold coin. No threads about anything relevant.

:rolleyes: he forgot where he is

[Jewboo]

http://i.stack.imgur.com/dVE8b.png

Please return to GIM2. We only have 29 remaining members and it is like another holocaust. All is forgiven goyim!



Any donuts and coffee or just bagels?

:D

[Cebu_4_2]

Have you seen GIM2 recently? Nobody posts there anymore. Pro-Israel forum where they watch Kitco charts dive while emotionally fondling their last remaining jew gold coin. No threads about anything relevant.

:rolleyes: he forgot where he is

I haven't looked there is a very long time.

[Neuro]

http://www.chartseeker.com/images/AU-1Y-LG.png

Have you seen GIM2 recently? Nobody posts there anymore. Pro-Israel forum where they watch Kitco charts dive while emotionally fondling their last remaining jew gold coin. No threads about anything relevant.

:rolleyes: he forgot where he is
Poor BagelBob! It must hurt their advertising revenue terribly! So he comes here to fight with us...

[BarnkleBob]

parasite definition. An organism that lives off or in another organism, obtaining nourishment and protection while offering no benefit in return.

One must question why a person or persons would band together in a feeding frenzy hiding behind computer screens to create disharmony & disruptions thru the use of personal ad hominen attacks.

There is an organism in nature that exhibits these traits. It hides and slowly & methodically begins attacking the victim until its weakened to the point that the organism can take over the victim. That organism is a common parasite.

The parasite has no mind, no creativity & lacks consciousness. Its only mission & reason for existence is to feed upon the victim host by whatever means available. It operates without intelligence or self awareness, nor does it possess the ability to adjudge it activities relative to the damages and disruptions that causes... it knows not causation, only hunger!

Hu-man parasites are akin to Vampires, they attempt to suck the life blood out of their victims. They create rumors, gossips, inuendos and maliciously accuse their victims of acts never perpetrated. Accusations are neither founded upon hard evidence or even probable cause in support of their dellusions. These are nonsequitor, for their existence is not an existence that requires logic, reasoning, or substantiation of their dellusional claims.

Their goals are to provide relief for themselves, for they dwell in a state of inferiority complexes.

It is these inferiority complexes that have created deep seated personality disorders that manifest as personal insecurities, disruptions and destruction. They are the proverbial "class clowns" from the days of adolescence. They may have matured physically, yet they remained locked in a constant state of fear of being discovered as an inferior parasite that feels empowered by and thru nourishing their personality disorders via baseless unfounded ad hominen attacks against various personas.

"Birds of a feather do flock together," and they always commonly bond around a common theme, usually a selected person or group of persons that are used as scapegoats to temporarilly relieve the attacking parasites from their inner knowledge that in fact they are inferior. Their entire identity is formulated around a common cause whether it be true or not. They dont possess any reason to even discover truth, for truth does not offer them remedy or relief from their misguided notions created by their narcisstic attention seeking like personality disorders. They seek acceptance by others, yet their identity & behaviors are so outlandish that they can only find comfort & safety with their fellow parasites.

per·son·al·i·ty dis·or·der
noun

a deeply ingrained and maladaptive pattern of behavior of a specified kind, typically manifest by the time one reaches adolescence and causing long-term difficulties in personal relationships or in functioning in society.

These anti-social cretins are in fact monsters that live & thrive on only elevating themselves above their disorders at the expense of others, if only temporarily.

They are not real people, but rather counterfeit cut-outs. They do not think, behave nor possess a healthy emotional state of existence. Everyone at any time, can & will be used to fulfill their endless needs to nourish their desires to elevate their idealized personal counterfeit standing. And like the parasite, they will almost never add value or benefits to any relationship that crosses their path. For they see everything as an opportunity to feed their mental illness .... Everyone is expendable, for their next unsuspecting victim is just around the corner, dont let it be you! And remember, no evidence or probable cause is required or needed for these mutants to attack, just a mere crack and the parasites will try to slip in and use you to satisfy their insatiable need to nourish their inferiority complexes and personality disorders.

P.S.: As a member of this and other forums, I am under no obligation to explain myself to you or any other persons. Quite frankly its none of your business. A bunch of worthless no nothing busy bodies that dont have a life or even a respectable personality. Poor white mentally inferior trash however does come to mind....

[Tumbleweed]

I haven't looked there is a very long time.

I looked in there recently and saw a thread where one of the posters was putting out a lot of truth but he didn't last long and was banned. I started a thread on it in "Discuss GIM" here. http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?86003-2dam00n-posting-to-much-of-the-truth&p=799837#post799837

Who ever 2 da moon was I wish he'd have ended up here.

[Jewboo]

BarnacleBob (http://www.goldismoney2.com/member.php?13327-BarnacleBob)

http://www.goldismoney2.com/images/scarletrush/statusicon/user-offline.png
GIM Founding Member & Mod.

As a Founding Member & Mod at my competing GIM2 Forum, I am under no obligation to explain myself to you or any other persons. Quite frankly its none of your business. A bunch of worthless no nothing busy bodies that dont have a life or even a respectable personality. Poor white mentally inferior trash however does come to mind....



You don't seem happy here BagelBob. Why don't you go back to GIM2 where you and your jew-loving fellow members can praise Israel?

[BarnkleBob]

Simple fact is that I have about three friends who occasionally post here, and they are the only reason I peruse this forum.... You seem to be quite concerned over my presence & happiness BooJew. Again, you know nothing of me, and you do & have published a number of presumptions about my persona & activities that are patently false & erroneous...fraudulent lies and malicious slanderings. Which certainly reveals the very composition of your personality traits.

[Jewboo]

Simple fact is that I have about three friends who occasionally post here, and they are the only reason I peruse this forum.



Oh. They were banned at your GIM2 and can't visit you there. How sad and embarrassing for you to have to come here to visit with your about three "white mentally inferior trash" friends. Is Hoarder one of them?


:)

[Shami-Amourae]

You seem to be quite concerned over my presence & happiness BooJew.



You're calling him the name of a jewelry company?
http://www.boojew.com/About_us/

http://www.boojew.com/uploads/allimg/141125/1-1411251H935251.jpg

[BarnkleBob]

Oh. They were banned at your GIM2 and can't visit you there. How sad and embarrassing for you to have to come here to visit with your about three "white mentally inferior trash" friends. Is Hoarder one of them?


:)

Geez, a twisted confiused mind is rather amusing to observe.... back to your presumptions, and hence ever more errors! So far your 100% in error. LMAO

[Jewboo]

Your just a small minded very confused attention seeking persona who lacks discussion & debating skills, hence your continuous ad hominen attacks against various personas on these boards... Disruption is your mark, lies & disinfo are your product, your a very unhappy sub-human parasite.



http://kimkiminy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/your-youre.jpg











:rolleyes: been drinking alone during the holidays again BagelBob?

[Jewboo]

Geez, a twisted confiused mind is rather amusing to observe.... back to your presumptions, and hence ever more errors! So far your 100% in error. LMAO







As much as I hate to admit it, I must apologize to Alric.... he is correct. Alric, please accept my sincere apology. (http://www.goldismoney2.com/showthread.php?84945-U-S-governors-don%92t-have-power-to-refuse-refugees-access-to-their-states&p=940599&viewfull=1#post940599)



:rolleyes: have another drink BagelBob. Drown your lonely sorrows tonight but please return tomorrow with a pounding headache and meek apologies

[Neuro]

Thank you Bagel Bob for coming here and defining parasitism for us, and explaining the 'fraud' in chemistry and physics. I can now visualize it perfectly. Now, why don't you fuck off back to GIM2? :)

[Neuro]

Simple fact is that I have about three friends who occasionally post here, and they are the only reason I peruse this forum....
Oh lemme guess... You are a member of Goldie's Kosher Book Club-Goyims need not apply. Did you give Goldie's book Rave! reviews BagelBob?

[BarnkleBob]

Thank you Bagel Bob for coming here and defining parasitism for us, and explaining the 'fraud' in chemistry and physics. I can now visualize it perfectly. Now, why don't you fuck off back to GIM2? :)

The OP ought to be quite angry, as the disturbed children have yet again wrecked another thread and the discussion thereof with their temper tantrums. Adults dont take orders from children. Children require attention, nurturing, love, developing critical thinking skills in emipiricism & epistomology. Lacking these basic tenets, the child becomes lost and developes distinct personality traits of inadequacy, hence an inferiority complex developes that becomes the driving force in their disturbed & disruptive anti-social lives. In a word they never develope mentally & emotionally beyond adolescence.... a good example of these maladaptive behavioral abnormalities may be observed by particular individuals whom are constantly moving from thread to thread with their same modus operendi.... the behavior is never changing, they are trapped, but they must feed on others energy & efforts to elevate themselves to a superior position in their mind...

Hence their boistrous commands & orders to others, their ad hominen attacks, their covert manipulations seeking to gain advantage without providing a benefit... They ARE exactly what & who they say they hate for the ones they hate, are the "chosen ones" that remind them everyday of themselves....

Indeed, I thoroughly believe, nay possess knowledge that there is a Zionist problem in the world today, and I also believe it is a parasite upon humanity and the will of humanity. It is of great interest & study to me to learn why the oppressed will ways copy cat their oppressors, in this case Zionism....

Once the target(s) are thoroughly weakened & immersed with mental & emotional disorders & disabilities, they are lost in a maladaptive existence, and they will adopt the ideolgy, behaviors, and tactics of their oppressors... for this is their model upon which they construct their personas. At this point, they are trapped and frustrated, they hate their oppressors and themselves, they have voluntarily assimulated themselves....

Adjudging the behaviors of certain participants on these threads, I can find no difference between the behaviors of these participants and the ethnic groups that they claim to loathe & hate. They employ the exact same behaviors, personality traits and tactics of those they deem to be the despised enemy.... The saw adage of "When in Rome, do as the Romans do" comes to mind.

Either your a part of the problem or a part of the solution! And understandably these participants are so mentally & emotionally deranged, they are neither, hence they are lost in toto...

Thus if it fulfills your emotional psychological needs to continue your malicious ad hominen attacks against not only my persona but many others on the boards, I do completely understand your motivations and reasons for doing so.... your Zionist inspired predictive personal behavioral modification program is in full operation and has blossomed for all to observe.

It actually a very humorus and very sad state of affairs all at the same time... Maybe I will draw up a chart that creates a comparative analysis that compares these ideologies, behaviors and traits....


Closet Zionists and they dont know it! LMAO

[Jewboo]

Indeed, I thoroughly believe, nay possess knowledge that there is a Zionist problem in the world today, and I also believe it is a parasite upon humanity and the will of humanity. It is of great interest & study to me...it is a profound embarrassment that even as a GIM Founding Member & Mod such truth posted there would get even me perma-banned at GIM2. Thus, I quietly sneak here to GSUS to spread the truth about these evil jew parasites!



Welcome again BagelBob. Feel free to spread your pent up truth about these evil jew parasites. Tell us more about Israel.

:)

[mick silver]

http://www.thedailybell.com/images/library/watchingfrance.jpg (http://www.thedailybell.com/editorials/36664/Anthony-Wile-Watching-the-Anti-Freedom-Actions-of-Francois-Hollande/)

[BarnkleBob]

Welcome again BagelBob. Feel free to spread your pent up truth about these evil jew parasites. Tell us more about Israel.

:)


LMAO.... Your a blazing example of falling into the Zionist traps.... Traps that are "divide & conquer" tactics. Another ex'pose of your methods to divide and disrupt the free flow of info & discussion....

Wow, attacking spelling just supports the observation of juvenile behavior in lieu of arguable substance, debate & discussion... too funny!

[Jewboo]

As a currently active GIM Founding Member & Mod it is a godsend that I can quietly sneak over here to GSUS and freely post shit about the evil jews and their parasite Israel. Thanks for ignoring the fact that I perma-banned most of you GSUSers over there.



No hard feelings here BagelBob. Welcome!


:)

[mick silver]

When Nuclear Reactors Blow, the First Thing That Melts Down is the Truth.September 15, 2015 (http://liamscheff.com/2015/09/when-nuclear-reactors-blow-the-first-thing-that-melts-down-is-the-truth/)Liam (http://liamscheff.com/author/Liam/) Leave a Comment (http://liamscheff.com/2015/09/when-nuclear-reactors-blow-the-first-thing-that-melts-down-is-the-truth/#respond)
A rare reprint of an essential article.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/Atoms_for_Peace_stamp.jpg
How the “Peaceful Atom” Became a Serial Killer
Nuclear Power Loses its Alibi
By Chip Ward (http://www.tomdispatch.com/authors/chipward)
When nuclear reactors blow, the first thing that melts down is the truth. Just as in the Chernobyl catastrophe almost 25 years ago when Soviet authorities denied the extent of radiation and downplayed the dire situation that was spiraling out of control, Japanese authorities spent the first week of the Fukushima crisis issuing conflicting and confusing reports. We were told that radiation levels were up, then down, then up, but nobody aside from those Japanese bureaucrats could verify the levels and few trusted their accuracy. The situation is under control, they told us, but workers are being evacuated. There is no danger of contamination, but stay inside and seal your doors.
The First Atomic Snow Job

The bureaucratization of horror into bland and reassuring pronouncements was to be expected, especially from an industry where misinformation is the rule. Although you might suppose that the nuclear industry’s outstanding characteristic would be its expertise, since it’s loaded with junior Einsteins who grasp the math and physics required to master the most awesomely sophisticated technology humans have ever created, think again. Based on the record, its most outstanding characteristic is a fundamental dishonesty. I learned that the hard way as a grassroots activist organizing opposition to a scheme (http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/174946/chip_ward_uranium_frenzy_in_the_west) hatched by a consortium of nuclear utilities to park thousands of tons of highly radioactive fuel rods, like the ones now burning at Fukushima, in my Utah backyard.
Here’s what I took away from that experience: the nuclear industry is a snake-oil culture of habitual misrepresentation, pervasive wishful thinking, deep denial, and occasional outright deception. For more than 50 years, it has habitually lied about risks and costs while covering up every violation and failure it could. Whether or not its proponents and spokespeople are dishonest or merely deluded can be debated, but the outcome — dangerous misinformation and the meltdown of honest civic discourse — remains the same, as we once again see at Fukushima.
Established at the dawn of the nuclear age, the pattern of dissemblance had become a well-worn rut long before the Japanese reactors spun out of control. In the early 1950s, the disciples of nuclear power, or the “peaceful atom” as it was then called, insisted that nuclear power would soon become so cheap and efficient that it would be offered to consumers for free. Visionaries that they were, they suggested that cities would be constructed with building materials impregnated with uranium so that snow removal would be unnecessary. Atomic bombs, they urged, should be used to carve out new coastal harbors for ships. In low doses, they swore, radiation was actually beneficial to one’s health.
Such notions and outright fantasies, as well as propaganda for a new industry and a new way of war — even if laughable today — had tragic results back then. Thousands of American GIs, for instance, were marched into ground zero (http://www.naav.com/) just after above-ground nuclear tests had been set off to observe their responses to what military planners assumed would be the atomic battlefield of the future. Ignorance, it turns out, is not bliss, and thousands of those soldiers later became ill. Many died young.
Unwary civilians who lived downwind (http://historytogo.utah.gov/utah_chapters/utah_today/nucleartestingandthedownwinders.html) of America’s western testing grounds were also exposed to nuclear fallout and they, too, suffered horribly from a variety of cancers and other illnesses. Uranium miners exposed to radiation (http://www.hcn.org/issues/329/16520) in the tunnels where they wrestled from the earth the raw materials for the nuclear age also became ill and died too soon, as did workers processing that uranium into weapons and fuel. Many of those miners were poor Navajos from my backyard in Utah where a new uranium boom, part of the so-called nuclear renaissance, was — before Fukushima — set to take shape.
How Unlikely Risks Become Inevitable
In the future, today’s low-risk claims from industry advocates will undoubtedly seem as tragically naïve as yesterday’s false claims. Yes, the likelihood that any specific nuclear power plant reactor will melt down may be slim indeed — which hardly means inconceivable — but to act as though nuclear risks are limited to the operation of power plants is misleading in the extreme. “Spent fuel” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spent_nuclear_fuel) from reactors (the kind burning in Japan as I write) is produced as a plant operates, and that fuel remains super hot and dangerous for hundreds, if not thousands, of years. As we are learning to our sorrow at the Fukushima complex, such used fuel is hardly “spent.” In fact, it can be even more radioactive (http://www.infowars.com/fuel-rod-fire-at-fukushima-reactor-would-be-like-chernobyl-on-steroids/) and dangerous than reactor cores.
Spent fuel continues to pile up in a nuclear waste stream that will have to be closely managed and monitored for eons, so long that those designing nuclear-waste repositories struggle with the problem of signage that might be intelligible in a future so distant today’s languages may not be understood. You might think that a danger virulent enough to outlast human languages would be a danger to avoid, but the hubris of the nuclear establishment is equal to its willingness to deceive.
A natural disaster, accident, or terrorist attack that might be statistically unlikely in any year or decade becomes ever more likely at the half-century, century, or half-millennium mark. Given enough time, in fact, the unlikely becomes almost inevitable. Even if you and I are not the victims of some future apocalyptic disturbance of that lethal residue, to consign our children, grandchildren, or great-grandchildren to such peril is plainly and profoundly immoral.
Nuclear proponents have long wanted to limit the discussion of risk to plant operation alone, not to the storage of dangerous wastes, and they remain eager to ignore altogether the risks inherent in transporting nuclear waste (often called “mobile Chernobyl” (http://www.nirs.org/radwaste/hlwtransport/mobilechernobyl.htm) by nuclear critics). Moving those spent fuel rods to future repositories represents a rarely acknowledged category of potential catastrophe. Just imagine a trainload of hot nuclear waste derailing catastrophically along a major urban corridor with the ensuing evacuations of nearby inhabitants. It means, in essence, that one of those Fukushima “pools” of out-of-control waste could “go nuclear” anywhere in our landscape.
Risk is about more than likelihood; it’s also about impact. If I tell you that your chances of being bitten by a mosquito as you cross my yard are one in a hundred, you’ll think of that risk differently than if I give you the same odds on a deadly pit viper. As events unfold in Japan, it’s ever clearer that we’re talking pit viper, not mosquito. You wouldn’t know it though if you were to debate nuclear industry representatives, who consistently downplay both odds and impact, and dismiss those who claim otherwise as hysterical doomsayers. Fukushima will assumedly make their task somewhat more difficult.
Hidden Costs and Wasted Subsidies
The true costs of nuclear power are another subject carefully fudged and obscured by nuclear power advocates. From its inception in federally funded labs, nuclear power has been highly subsidized. A recent report (http://www.ucsusa.org/nuclear_power/nuclear_power_and_global_warming/nuclear-power-subsidies-report.html) by the Union of Concerned Scientists found that “more than 30 subsidies have supported every stage of the nuclear fuel cycle from uranium mining to long-term waste storage. Added together, these subsidies have often exceeded the average market price for the power produced.” When it comes to producing electricity, these subsidies are so extensive, the report concludes, that “in some cases it would have cost taxpayers less to simply buy the kilowatts on the open market and give them away.”
If the nuclear club in Congress, led by Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell, gets its way, billions more in subsidies will be forthcoming, including massive federal loan guarantees to build the next generation of nuclear plants. These are particularly important to the industry, since bankers won’t otherwise touch projects that are notorious for mammoth cost overruns, lengthy delays, and abrupt cancellations.
The Obama administration has already proposed an additional $36 billion (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0204/Obama-s-nuclear-power-policy-a-study-in-contradictions) in such guarantees to underwrite new plant construction. That includes $4 billion for the construction of two new nuclear reactors on the Gulf Coast that are to be operated (http://www.gregpalast.com/no-bs-info-on-japan-nuclearobama-invites-tokyo-electric-to-build-us-nukes-with-taxpayer-funds/) in partnership with Tokyo Electric Power Company — that’s right, the very outfit that runs the Fukushima complex. Yet when I debate nuclear advocates, they always claim that, in cost terms, nuclear power outcompetes alternative sources of energy like wind and solar.
That government gravy train doesn’t just stop at new power plants either. The feds have long assumed the epic costs of waste management and storage. If another multi-billion dollar project like the now-abandoned Yucca Mountain repository (http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/174946/chip_ward_uranium_frenzy_in_the_west) in Nevada is built, it will be with dollars from taxpayers and captive ratepayers (the free market be damned). Industry spokesmen insist that subsidizing such projects will be well worth it, since they will create thousands of new jobs. Unfortunately for them, a definitive 2009 University of Massachusetts study (http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2011/03/green_jobs.html) that analyzed various infrastructure investments including wind, solar, and retrofitting buildings to conserve energy placed nuclear dead last in job creation.
Finally, the recently renewed Price-Anderson Nuclear Industries Indemnity Act (http://climateprogress.org/2008/08/07/how-much-of-a-subsidy-is-the-price-anderson-nuclear-industry-indemnity-act/) limits the liability of nuclear utilities should a catastrophe like the one in Japan happen here in the United States. The costs of recovery from the Fukushima catastrophe will be astronomical. In the U.S., nuclear utilities would be off the hook for any of those costs and you, the citizen, would foot the bill. Despite their assurances that nothing can go wrong here, nuclear industry officials have made sure that in their business risk and reward are carefully separated. It’s a scenario we should all know well: private corporations take away profits when things go well, and taxpayers assume responsibility when shit happens.
Finally, nuclear power boosters like to proclaim themselves “green” and to claim that their industry is the ideal antidote to global warming since it produces no greenhouse gas emissions. In doing so, they hide the real environmental footprint (http://healutah.org/what/energypolicy/nuclearpower/chipward) of nuclear energy.
It’s quite true that no carbon dioxide comes out of power-plant smokestacks. However, maintaining any future infrastructure to handle the industry’s toxic waste is guaranteed to produce lots of carbon dioxide. So does mining uranium and processing it into fuel rods, building massive reactors from concrete and steel, and then behemoth repositories capable of holding waste for 1,000 years. Radiation from the Fukushima meltdown is now entering (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/20/world/asia/20japan.html) the Japanese food chain (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/21/us-japan-quake-idUSTRE72A0SS20110321). How green is that?
The Watchdogs Play Dead
Over the course of nuclear power’s history, there have been scores of mishaps, accidents, violations, and problems that, chances are, you’ve never heard about. Beyond the unavoidable bad PR over the partial meltdown at Three Mile Island in 1979, the Chernobyl meltdown in 1986, and now the Japanese catastrophe, the industry has an excellent record — of covering up its failures.
The co-dependent relationship between the nuclear corporations and the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC), the federal agency charged with licensing and monitoring them, resembles the cozy relationship between the Securities Exchange Commission and Wall Street before the global economic meltdown of 2008. The NRC relies heavily on the industry’s own reports since only a small fraction of its activities can be inspected yearly.
A report by the Union of Concerned Scientists, “The NRC and Nuclear Power Plant Safety (http://www.ucsusa.org/nuclear_power/nuclear_power_risk/safety/nrc-and-nuclear-power-2010.html) in 2010,” which highlights the NRC’s haphazard record of inspection and enforcement, makes clear just why the honor system that assumes utilities will honestly report problems has never worked. It describes 14 recent serious “near miss” violations that initially went unreported. At the Indian Point Nuclear Power Plant, only 38 miles north of the New York metropolitan area, for instance, NRC inspectors ignored a leaking water containment system for 15 years.
After a leaking roof forced the shutdown of two reactors at the Calvert Cliffs nuclear facility in Maryland, plant managers admitted that it had been leaking for eight years. When Honeywell hired temporary workers to replace striking union members at its uranium refinery in Illinois, they were slipped the correct answers to a test required for those allowed to work at nuclear plants, because otherwise they had neither the knowledge nor experience to pass.
The regulation of Japan’s nuclear industry mirrors the American model. Japan’s legacy (http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-03-18/japan-disaster-caps-decades-of-faked-reports-accidents.html) of regulatory scandals, falsified safety records, underestimated risks, and cover-ups includes an incident in 1999 when workers mixed uranium in open buckets and exposed hundreds of coworkers to radiation. Two later died. Other scandals involved hiding cracks in steam pipes from regulators in 1989, lying about a fire and explosion at a plant near Tokyo in 1997, and covering up damage to a plant from an earthquake in 2007.
In the wake of the Fukushima catastrophe, we will no doubt discover how there, too, so-called watchdogs rolled over (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8384059/Japan-earthquake-Japan-warned-over-nuclear-plants-WikiLeaks-cables-show.html) and played dead. In recent years, in fact, the Fukushima complex had the highest accident rate (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704433904576212980463881792.html) of any of the big Japanese nuclear plants. We’ve already learned that an engineer who helped design and supervise the construction of the steel pressure vessel that holds the melting fuel rods in Reactor No. 4 warned that it was damaged during production. He had himself initially orchestrated a cover-up of this fact, but revealed it a decade later — only to be ignored. During the complex’s construction by General Electric some 35 years ago, Dale Bridenbaugh, a GE employee, resigned (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/fukushima-mark-nuclear-reactor-design-caused-ge-scientist/story?id=13141287) after becoming convinced that the reactors being built were seriously flawed. He, too, was ignored. The Vermont Yankee reactor in Vermont and 23 others around the U.S. replicate that design (http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2059453,00.html?xid=rss-fullnation-yahoo).
Stay tuned, since more examples of reckless management will surely come to light…
Risk Is Not a Math Problem
That culture of secrecy is a logical fit for an industry that is authoritarian by nature. Unlike solar or wind power, nuclear power requires massive investments of capital, highly specialized expertise, robust security, and centralized control. Any local citizen facing the impact of a uranium mine, a power plant, or a proposed waste depository will attest that the owners, operators, and regulators of the industry are remote, unresponsive, and inaccessible. They misinform because they have the power to get away with it. The absence of meaningful checks and balances enables them.
Risk, antinuclear advocates quickly learn, is not simply some complicated math problem to be resolved by experts. Risk is, above all, a question of who is put at risk for whose benefit, of how the rewards, costs, and liabilities of an activity are distributed and whether that distribution is fair. Those are political questions that citizens directly affected should be answering for themselves. When it comes to nuclear power, that doesn’t happen because the industry is undemocratic to its core. Corporate officers treat downwind stakeholders with the same contempt they reserve for honest accountings of the industry’s costs and dangers.
It may be difficult for the average citizen to unpack the technicalities of nuclear power, or understand the complex physics and engineering involved in splitting atoms to make steam to produce electricity. But most of us are good at detecting bullshit. We know when something like the nuclear industry doesn’t pass the smell test.
There is a growing realization that our carbon-based energy system is warming and endangering this planet, but replacing coal and oil with nuclear power is like trading heroin for crack — different addictions, but no less unhealthy or risky. The “nuclear renaissance,” like the “peaceful atom” before it, is the energy equivalent of a three-card monte game, involving the same capitalist crooks who gave us oil spills, bank bailouts, and so many of the other rip-offs and scams that have plagued our lives in this new century.
They are serial killers. Stop them before they kill again. Credibility counts and you don’t need a PhD or a Geiger counter to detect it.
Chip Ward was a founder of HEAL Utah, a grassroots group that has led the opposition to the disposal of nuclear waste in Utah and the construction of a new reactor next to Green River. A TomDispatch regular (http://www.tomdispatch.com/archive/175301/chip_ward_a_west_raised_by_wolves), he is the author of Canaries on the Rim: Living Downwind in the West (http://www.amazon.com/dp/1859843212/ref=nosim/?tag=tomdispatch-20) and Hope’s Horizon: Three Visions for Healing the American Land (http://www.amazon.com/dp/1559639776/ref=nosim/?tag=tomdispatch-20). To listen to Timothy MacBain’s latest TomCast audio interview in which Ward discusses the endless legacy of nuclear power, click here (http://tomdispatch.blogspot.com/2011/03/fed-up-and-atom.html), or download it to your iPod here.


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You just verified exactly my observations... You have disrespected Micksilver & the forum at large, as his post brought the OP subject matter back into discussion only to be railroaded with your arbitrary nonsense. Does it make you feel like a big man? That your trolling the boards for self agrandizement to overcome your sensitivity of being nonsequitor?

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