origin of name Allah..............

[Serpo]

ALLAH – the Moon God

The Archaeology of the Middle East

The religion of Islam has as its focus of worship a deity by the name of "Allah." The Muslims claim that Allah in pre-Islamic times was the biblical God of the Patriarchs, prophets, and apostles. The issue is thus one of continuity. Was "Allah" the biblical God or a pagan god in Arabia during pre-Islamic times? The Muslim's claim of continuity is essential to their attempt to convert Jews and Christians for if "Allah" is part of the flow of divine revelation in Scripture, then it is the next step in biblical religion. Thus we should all become Muslims. But, on the other hand, if Allah was a pre-Islamic pagan deity, then its core claim is refuted. Religious claims often fall before the results of hard sciences such as archeology. We can endlessly speculate about the past or go and dig it up and see what the evidence reveals. This is the only way to find out the truth concerning the origins of Allah. As we shall see, the hard evidence demonstrates that the god Allah was a pagan deity. In fact, he was the Moon-god who was married to the sun goddess and the stars were his daughters.
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/images/muslim.jpg


http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm




According to the Encyclopedia of Religion, Allah corresponded to the Babylonian god Baal, and Arabs knew of him long before Mohammed worshipped him as the supreme God. Before Islam the Arabs recognized many gods and goddesses, each tribe had their own deity. There were also nature deities. Allah was the god of the local Quarish tribe, which was Mohammed's tribe before he invented Islam to lead his people out of their polytheism. Allah was then known as the Moon God, who had 3 daughters who were viewed as intercessors for the people into Allah. Their names were Al-at, Al-uzza, and Al-Manat, which were three goddesses; the first two daughters of Allah had names which were feminine forms of Allah. Hubal was the chief God of the Kaaba among the other 360 deities. Hubal was the chief God of the Kaaba among the other 360 deities. Hubal was a statue likeness of a man whose body was made of red precious stones whose arms were made of gold. (Reference Islam George Braswell Jr.)
“Historians like Vaqqidi have said Allah was actually the chief of the 360 gods being worshipped in Arabia at the time Mohammed rose to prominence. Ibn Al-Kalbi gave 27 names of pre-Islamic deities...Interestingly, not many Muslims want to accept that Allah was already being worshipped at the Ka'ba in Mecca by Arab pagans before Mohammed came. Some Muslims become angry when they are confronted with this fact. But history is not on their side. Pre-Islamic literature has proved this.” (G. J. O. Moshay, Who Is This Allah? (Dorchester House, Bucks, UK, 1994), pg. 138).
History has shown Mecca and the holy stone al-Kaaba were holy sites for pre-Islamic pagan Arabs. The Kaaba in Mecca was formerly named Beit-Allah meaning House of Allah. We are told it was first built in heaven. This is in contradistinction to what Moses was instructed to build, something overlooked by the Muslims in their reading of the Bible.


http://www.letusreason.org/islam6.htm




History proves conclusively that before Islam came into existence, the Sabbeans in Arabia worshipped the moon-god Allah who was married to the sun-goddess. We have also seen that it was a matter of common practice to use the name of the moon-god in personal names in Muhammad's tribe. That Allah was a pagan deity in pre-Islamic times is incontestible. And so we must ask ourselves the question: why was Muhammad's God named after a pagan deity in his own tribe?
It is an undeniable fact that an Allah idol was set up at the Kabah along with all the other idols of the time. The pagans prayed towards Mecca and the Kabah because that is where their gods were stationed. It made sense to them to face in the direction of their god and pray since that is where he was. Since the idol of their moon god, Allah, was at Mecca, they prayed towards Mecca.
As we have seen, and as is acknowledged amongst all scholars of Middle Eastern religious history, the worship of the moon-god extended far beyond Allah-worship in Arabia. The entire fertile crescent was involved in moon-worship. The data falls neatly in place and we are able therefore to understand, in part, the early success Islam had amongst Arab groups that had traditionally worshipped Allak, the moon-god. We can also understand that the use of the crescent moon as the symbol of Islam, and which appears on dozens of flags of Islamic nations in Asia and Africa, and surmounts minerets and mosque roofs, is a throwback to the days when Allah was worshipped as the moon-god in Mecca.
Educated Muslims understand these facts only too well - better, in fact, than most Christians. Robert Morey recalls a conversation he once had:
"During one trip to Washington DC I got involved in a conversation with a Muslim tax driver from Iran. When I asked him, 'Where did Islam obtain its symbol of the crescent moon?' he responded that it was an ancient pagan symbol used throughout the Middle East and that adopting this symbol had helped Muslims to convert people throughout the Middle East. When I pointed out that the word Allah itself was used by the moon-god cult in pre-Islamic Arabia, he agreed that this was the case. I then pointed out that the religion and the Quran of Muhammad could be explained in terms of pre-Islamic culture, customs, and religious ideas. He agreed with this! He went on to explain that he was a university-educated Muslim who, at this point in his life, was attempting to understand Islam from a scholarly viewpoint. As a result, he had lost his faith in Islam. The significance of the pre-Islamic source of the name Allah cannot be overestimated"





http://www.investigateislam.com/Karum2.gif
Another pre-Islamic crescent moon and star from the same location

http://www.investigateislam.com/Karum-moon.gif http://www.investigateislam.com/islam.gif http://www.investigateislam.com/Persian_moon.gif
Pre-Islamic and Islamic Crescent-and-Star Glyphs

http://www.investigateislam.com/Karum1.gif
Anatolian mural from Karum - notice the boxed pre-Islamic Crescent-and-Star glyph


Muhammad was raised in the religion of the moon-god Allah. But he went one step further than his fellow pagan Arabs. While they believed that Allah the moon-god was the greatest of all gods and the supreme deity in the pantheon of deities,Muhammad decided that Allah was not only the greatest god but the only God.
In effect he said, "Look, you already believe that the moon-god Allah is the greatest of all gods. All I want you to do is accept the idea that he is the only god. I am not taking away the Allah you already worship. I am only taking away his wife and his daughters and all the other gods."
This is seen from the fact that the first point of the Muslim creed is not "Allah is great" but "Allah is the greatest" - he is the greatest among the gods. Why would Muhammad say that Allah is the greatest except in a polytheistic (many gods) context? The Arabic word is used to contrast the greater from the lesser.
That this is true is seen from the fact that the pagan Arabs never accused Muhammad of preaching a different Allah than the one they already worshipped. Thus "Allah" was the moon-god according to the archaeological evidence.
Muhammad thus attempted to have it both ways. To the pagans, he said that he still believed in the moon-god Allah. To the Jews and the Christians he said that Allah was their God, too. But both the Jews and the Christians, who worshipped Yahweh, knew better and they rejected his god Allah as a false god.


http://www.investigateislam.com/moonGod.htm



also http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/554692/posts

[midnight rambler]

So this appears to be the origin of the Muslims chant "there is no god but god".


Muhammad decided that Allah was not only the greatest god but the only God.
In effect he said, "Look, you already believe that the moon-god Allah is the greatest of all gods. All I want you to do is accept the idea that he is the only god. I am not taking away the Allah you already worship. I am only taking away his wife and his daughters and all the other gods."

[Norweger]

La ilaha illa Allah, Muhammad rasoolu Allah.

[midnight rambler]

La ilaha illa Allah, Muhammad rasoolu Allah.

Care to elaborate on the veracity of the OP??

Is Allah the moon-god with origins in pagan worship or not?? (it kinda looks that way to me)

Also, how in the HELL can the IS retards claim to be followers of Allah*?? Do you consider them your brothers in the faith??

*the IS retards strike me as Satan worshipers more than anything else, what with their death, torture, destruction (of everything in their path), kidnapping, terror, etc.

[Norweger]

Is the one and only god a "moon god" ? obviously not.

IS claims to be followers on Islam only on camera.

[midnight rambler]

Is the one and only god a "moon god" ? obviously not.

The crescent moon is obviously a central theme in Islam. Why, if not for the moon-god?


IS claims to be followers on Islam only on camera.

I must say, they ARE pretty fucking convincing...AND consistent. All the videos I've seen of them (where they are talking to groups in MOSQUES and where they are being interviewed) have the Islamic faith as a central core issue - in fact 'spreading' the Islamic faith seems to be the only uniting cause.

[midnight rambler]

So...you're trying to tell me that YOUR 'Allah' is not the same as THEIR 'Allah'...right?


There is no god but Allah

I'm so confused! HOW MANY 'Allahs' ARE THERE?? ???


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsCZzpmbEcs

[Norweger]

Well, the christians have a cross as their symbol. Does that mean that their God is a cross-god?

http://islam.about.com/od/history/a/crescent_moon.htm

[Serpo]

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[Norweger]

The leader of the radical Islamic State (IS), Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, has been reputed to be a Mossad-trained operative whose real name is Elliot Shimon, the son of Jewish parents.

http://americanfreepress.net/?p=19176

[midnight rambler]

Well, the christians have a cross as their symbol.
http://islam.about.com/od/history/a/crescent_moon.htm

The info in the link you posted appears to sync up with the info in the OP -


The crescent moon and star symbol actually pre-dates Islam by several thousand years. Information on the origins of the symbol are difficult to ascertain, but most sources agree that these ancient celestial symbols were in use by the peoples of Central Asia and Siberia in their worship of sun, moon, and sky gods.


Does that mean that their God is a cross-god?


Well yeah, in a manner of speaking since the cross represents His crucifixion. Not only that, you posed a trick question since the meme is that the God of Abraham aka Yahweh is presented as the same God in Christianity, Islam, and Judaism (although it appears the Muslims have twisted off back to pagan roots).

[midnight rambler]

The leader of the radical Islamic State (IS), Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, has been reputed to be a Mossad-trained operative whose real name is Elliot Shimon, the son of Jewish parents.

http://americanfreepress.net/?p=19176

I don't doubt that a bit, HOWEVER al-Baghdadi's followers are CLEARLY fervent 'believers in Islam' who have somehow been duped into hardcore Satan worship. On the surface they DEFINITELY present themselves as Muslims. If they are not truly Muslims, then you 'true Muslims' SHOULD be compelled to PROACTIVELY do something about the problem since they are making you 'good' Muslims look bad in the eyes of the world. And yet I see NOTHING being done by those Muslims outside IS to counter those Satan worshipers...

[Norweger]

The info in the link you posted appears to sync up with the info in the OP -





Well yeah, in a manner of speaking since the cross represents His crucifixion. Not only that, you posed a trick question since the meme is that the God of Abraham aka Yahweh is presented as the same God in Christianity, Islam, and Judaism (although it appears the Muslims have twisted off back to pagan roots).

If you are in any way familiar with the occult you would know that symbols have different meanings and are used by different groups. The swastika is a good example of this. That it has been used by pagans does not prove that "the god of Islam is a moon god".

[midnight rambler]

If you are in any way familiar with the occult you would know that symbols have different meanings and are used by different groups. The swastika is a good example of this. That it has been used by pagans does not prove that "the god of Islam is a moon god".

What I'm seeing there is unbroken continuity...

[Norweger]

Because you are unable to accept that it does not bear any heavier meaning.

[midnight rambler]

Because you are unable to accept that it does not bear any heavier meaning.

If it's all purely innocent then all I can say is it was pretty fucking dumb to adopt KNOWN pagan symbolism for one's new religion IF that new religion wasn't based on paganism. lol Surely you or anyone else can see how that would cause confusion.

[General of Darkness]

The original name is CUNT. Kinda like the original name in the CCCP for RACIST was land owner.

[Cebu_4_2]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZZoLP9dbUo

[Norweger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UUQILWFTcW3O4-PTeJuZ86ZQ&v=5RZbGwwMHSM&feature=player_detailpage#t=125

Interestingly this came up as a coincidence right now. I was just checking out this series and here they dispel the myth that the crescent moon is symbol of Islam.

[midnight rambler]

You still haven't addressed the elephant in the room: How come you 'moderate' and 'peace-loving' Muslims (I'm sure you exist) don't proactively do ANYTHING about the IS retards?? I see NOTHING, and imo this makes you enablers by default.

BTW, it's worth noting that the silence of 'moderate/peace-loving' Muslims = acceptance of IS, and therefore you can be painted with a very broad brush. It appears to me that you 'moderate/peace-loving' Muslims have no problem with the Satanic bullshit of IS.

[7th trump]

The leader of the radical Islamic State (IS), Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, has been reputed to be a Mossad-trained operative whose real name is Elliot Shimon, the son of Jewish parents.

http://americanfreepress.net/?p=19176

No..no......Norweger.........answer Midnights question....don't try and twist this around or deflect and blame it all on the jews....answer midnights question.
Its a simple question deserving of a simple answer...now answer it....honestly!

[Norweger]

I have answered it.

[Norweger]

You still haven't addressed the elephant in the room: How come you 'moderate' and 'peace-loving' Muslims (I'm sure you exist) don't proactively do ANYTHING about the IS retards?? I see NOTHING, and imo this makes you enablers by default.

BTW, it's worth noting that the silence of 'moderate/peace-loving' Muslims = acceptance of IS, and therefore you can be painted with a very broad brush. It appears to me that you 'moderate/peace-loving' Muslims have no problem with the Satanic bullshit of IS.

There have been protests here, but what are they supposed to do about it? Can they do anything about it considering that the jewnited states has ruined their armed forces?

The only strong Muslim nation is Saudi-Arabia which is an ally of Israel and they fund ISIS.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tVQ5NNBFhc

Documented by MEMRI for the profane hoping to show us how "extreme" Muslims are, however it is the truth. The Saudi royal family is jewish.

[Spectrism]

This might bring some interesting ideas to the discussion.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URzJlSIb124#t=993

[Norweger]

No thanks.

[Spectrism]

No thanks.

I know. It would be scary for a muslim to watch truths like this. If you want to hold onto something regardless of truth, truth becomes an annoying buggar.

Tell me this simple thing... do you bow every day, maybe even 5 times per day, to Mecca? If so, why?

[gunDriller]

the only time my chickens squawk loudly is in the minutes after they lay an egg.

Loosely translated, I think there squawking may be chicken speak for, "Hey, roosters, there's a fertile chicken over here who is ready for another chicken mating ritual."


so, i think some words are like my chickens' squawks.

i can see how, "oh my god that hurts" could, over time, become, "Ahmadinejad".


as far as i'm concerned, Allah is as much a cultural word as a religious word.

we call God 'God' in the West. were we raised in Saudi Arabia, we'd call him Allah.

now i'm curious what Christians in mostly-Muslim areas call 'God'.


of course, the word "God" sort of implies a singularity.

we lack such knowledge, although many religious people are convinced they have 'the answer'.


i think one of the best portrayals of God that we have seen is in the movie "Prometheus", where the progenitors of Mankind on Earth are humanoids, light years beyond us in technology, but mortal and sinful. in the movie, we are one of their experiments.

that mankind on Earth may just be one of God's experiments, seems to be offensive to many conventionally religious people.

[Norweger]

I know. It would be scary for a muslim to watch truths like this. If you want to hold onto something regardless of truth, truth becomes an annoying buggar.

Tell me this simple thing... do you bow every day, maybe even 5 times per day, to Mecca? If so, why?

Truth, that might be, but this christian is taking everything out of context and twisting it. His presentation is rubbish.

[Spectrism]

Truth, that might be, but this christian is taking everything out of context and twisting it. His presentation is rubbish.

I noticed you said there is truth, but you did not show where it is twisted out of context. What context did you have in mind?

Also, do you bow to Mecca? What is in Mecca that you bow to?

[Santa]

Also, do you bow to Mecca? What is in Mecca that you bow to?

This is an interesting question.

[Norweger]

I noticed you said there is truth, but you did not show where it is twisted out of context. What context did you have in mind?

Also, do you bow to Mecca? What is in Mecca that you bow to?

Maybe you should watch your own videos.

[Norweger]

This is an interesting question.

It's a hub for prayers.

[midnight rambler]

It's a hub for prayers.

All of it strikes me as occultic.

[Spectrism]

It's a hub for prayers.

Not an acceptable answer. You must tell the truth. Nobody bows to a "hub for prayers". What is there that you owe worship to?


Maybe you should watch your own videos.

I did. And in it are many truths. I wanted to see if you were honest enough to tell the truth.

[Norweger]

Not an acceptable answer. You must tell the truth. Nobody bows to a "hub for prayers". What is there that you owe worship to?



I did. And in it are many truths. I wanted to see if you were honest enough to tell the truth.

Tell me spectrism, what benefit is it for me to waste my time on you, who on several occasions have made insults against the last prophet of God?

[Spectrism]

Tell me spectrism, what benefit is it for me to waste my time on you, who on several occasions have made insults against the last prophet of God?

It is not me on trial, but you and your beliefs. I am nothing in this. You come onto this forum to preach your "religion of peace" and it is up to you to present your position under scrutiny. Nobody is looking for perfection from you or any man-made religion. What we are demanding is truth, consistency and righteous judgement. On all of this, there must be key answers to universal questions. Let me see you stand tall.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9pdJzVaJnc

[Norweger]

I'm sorry spectrism, but your videos are all completely nonsensical. First you post a video of a christian who believes Jesus (pbuh) was a rabbi and now you post a video about the freedom tower and how it is somehow proves some sort of Muslim conspiracy.

Do you believe Muslims did 9/11?

[Spectrism]

I'm sorry spectrism, but your videos are all completely nonsensical. First you post a video of a christian who believes Jesus (pbuh) was a rabbi and now you post a video about the freedom tower and how it is somehow proves some sort of Muslim conspiracy.

Do you believe Muslims did 9/11?

I believe we have a muslim sympathiser in the White House. An illegal alien who will not attack ISIS and who has funded, supplied, provided intelligence to and organized the muslim brotherhood.... a spy reigns in Amerika. The globalists are not "jew-lovers". Just the opposite. They may be largely composed of "zionist jews" but they are not jews.

Just as many Shriners, masons, union members, tax-payers, news media employees, government employees, police, military... may mean well and think they even do well, they are still contributors to the beast system. They are the enforcing and supplying arms of the beast.

The globalists under satan performed the whole WTC attack, and even the construction to specs so that a story would be told. They have taken over the world governments and now perform a show that presents a choice and a coercion to the people. Submit or die. It matters not what flavor that religion, government system or charitable organization they may wear. Believe the lie and die.


But you still did not answer my simple question. Who or what is in Mecca that you bow to?


btw- I know you did not watch a 40 minute video in less than 10 minutes.

[Norweger]

So "satanists" did 9/11 in order to make Israel safe by having America declare war against Israels neighbors? Why does the maker of your video think that Muslims have anything to do with the freedom tower? Because it's a tower and Muslims have towers too?

"Oy vey dey are builing a tower on da 911 ground zero oy vey dem muslims oy vey Obama is a muslim" (but, at the same time killing children with cowardly drone strikes in Muslim lands).

I already said that Mecca is a hub for prayers. Take it or leave it.

Get your head straight spectrism, but i suspect it's to late for you.

[Norweger]

btw- I know you did not watch a 40 minute video in less than 10 minutes.

I didn't even need 10 seconds to find out the message.

Basically its similar to other rubbish you have posted earlier. I know where it comes from, i don't need to watch it.

[Spectrism]

You are not IN Mecca- the "hub for prayers". I pray to my God anywhere I am and need not face one place or go to a physical idol for my prayers. I commune with the Creator of the universe anywhere and everywhere. You did not answer the question. Is your god so small he has to have an idol for you to worship? Does he require a physical point for all prayers to be channeled?

Or is your god a "she", as in Dianna, Ashtoroth or the queen of heaven? Did you know that your god is Hindu with Indian origins?

You are real smart. Only takes you 10 seconds to watch a 47 minute video and summarize its contents. That must be how you picked your religion too.

[Norweger]

I knew from your very first post that you wanted to make it seem like idol worship. Very easy to see through.

[Spectrism]

I knew from your very first post that you wanted to make it seem like idol worship. Very easy to see through.

No... that was not my intent at all. I used that to goad you into an answer... and still you do not want to face the truth. Do I see Allah as an idol? No. She is the name of many versions of a false god throughout history. You have a female god.

But my question was simple and you could not come up with a reasonable answer. What in Mecca are you bowing to every day? How many times per day do you bow to something in Mecca?

[Serpo]

It is not me on trial, but you and your beliefs.



Norweger isnt on trial here ,this is a thread about the origin of the name Allah .

Many people on this forum have many different religions and beliefs.

Im also interested in the origins of Mecca.........








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[Norweger]

Norweger isnt on trial here ,this is a thread about the origin of the name Allah .


I forgive spectrism for thinking he can judge me.

[Serpo]

Muslims worship a rock............

Christians worship a dead person on a cross............


Me ,I asked God should I worship him......he said ,havnt you got better things to do

, why

, hasnt worked yet ,take a look at the world


But God, I said ,I love you and all of creation..........he said ,thats it well done go to the top of the
class

but what about everyones beliefs and religions ......God said......they are all effin nuts and there
is only you and me

Eventually they will all find out that ALL religions are stories corrupted by man pretending to be GOD and that Ive been hiding out within the person the whole time................ God laughs and weeps at the same time.....

[Spectrism]

I forgive spectrism for thinking he can judge me.

I know a weasel when I see one. When it is snooping around my chickens, I know that I can either hunt it, if I have time, or set out traps. Or, I can set my dog loose on him.

I have done nothing wrong for you to forgive. I am holding you accountable to your preached religion. In it, you bow to Mecca. Why? I am not embarrassed about who I worship. Why would you be embarrassed by something in Mecca? Awaiting your explanation.

[Spectrism]

Muslims worship a rock............

Christians worship a dead person on a cross............


Me ,I asked God should I worship him......he said ,havnt you got better things to do

, why

, hasnt worked yet ,take a look at the world


But God, I said ,I love you and all of creation..........he said ,thats it well done go to the top of the
class

but what about everyones beliefs and religions ......God said......they are all effin nuts and there
is only you and me

Eventually they will all find out that ALL religions are stories corrupted by man pretending to be GOD and that Ive been hiding out within the person the whole time................ God laughs and weeps at the same time.....

You have a small god made up in the small mind of a man.

[Norweger]

I know a weasel when I see one. When it is snooping around my chickens, I know that I can either hunt it, if I have time, or set out traps. Or, I can set my dog loose on him.

I have done nothing wrong for you to forgive. I am holding you accountable to your preached religion. In it, you bow to Mecca. Why? I am not embarrassed about who I worship. Why would you be embarrassed by something in Mecca? Awaiting your explanation.

Nothing i say will ever be satisfactory for you. I will start ignoring your posts from now on.

[Serpo]

You have a small god made up in the small mind of a man.




As you would see it.....

[Serpo]

I know a weasel when I see one. When it is snooping around my chickens, I know that I can either hunt it, if I have time, or set out traps. Or, I can set my dog loose on him.

I have done nothing wrong for you to forgive. I am holding you accountable to your preached religion. In it, you bow to Mecca. Why? I am not embarrassed about who I worship. Why would you be embarrassed by something in Mecca? Awaiting your explanation.

Everyones on some side , how efin crazy

If I belong to this"" it means I am in conflict with everything that dosnt adhere to that.

This is basically separation consciousness which is limited because people believe what their minds and emotions tell them because of xyz.

XYZ is BS and if people/dont/cant start growing up and realizing some truth for once then stay immersed in the foul garbage.

Hanging on to outmoded ideologies in todays world is insane , what is either side ever going to achieve.....winning .glory or what.

What I say is incomprehensible to a lot because Im not coming from the point of view of having to stick up for a religion.

I am not a religion and they are not going to get me.

I am in fact a human being without prejudice and from what Ive seen from history and the present there is little to be said for any religion.

Spectrism said I had a small god in my own head, which in fact is true because the word is a memory ,not the real thing just a REPRESENTATION and not the same thing.As it is in religion just a REPRESENTATION and not the real thing.

Excuse me if you will but I prefer the real thing which is .............

[7th trump]

Nothing i say will ever be satisfactory for you. I will start ignoring your posts from now on.

I think Spec did a wonderful job of showing your true islamist colors.

Actually nothing anybody says to you is satisfactory....you don't answer questions.....ignoring posts is just a deflection of answering questions.



So........really what in meca do you bow to?

[Norweger]

Had to brush the dust of your sockpuppet?

[vacuum]

I find it interesting that the moon god was a male and sun god was a female in their pagan culture. I always thought the genders on those two were reversed.

[Spectrism]

Muslims worship a rock............
Christians worship a dead person on a cross............
Me ,I asked God should I worship him......he said ,havnt you got better things to do
, why
, hasnt worked yet ,take a look at the world

Christians don't worship a cross. That is extremely ignorant. It is like saying Japs worship the nuclear bombs dropped on Hiroshima & Nagasaki. It's like saying Russians worship Chernobyl. And if you want to be technically close to being insulting, the bible is incorrectly translated in versions as "cross" but the word is "tree".



Everyones on some side , how efin crazy
If I belong to this"" it means I am in conflict with everything that dosnt adhere to that.


If you believe 2+2=5, then yes, you are against 2+2=4.



This is basically separation consciousness which is limited because people believe what their minds and emotions tell them because of xyz.


What you set your emotions on is what you become and believe. Your choice. If you are foolish enough not to guard your heart and you decide to harbor false hopes, false beliefs and trust in unworthy people, then that is your stupidity.



XYZ is BS and if people/dont/cant start growing up and realizing some truth for once then stay immersed in the foul garbage.


The world is nearly completely against the my ways and moreso each day. It is becoming fouler, more evil and more corrupt as it strays from the one true God. Don't even try to blame this world on the christians since they have been rejected and YOUR secular humanism crap is what now stinks.


Hanging on to outmoded ideologies in todays world is insane , what is either side ever going to achieve.....winning .glory or what.


Principles are truths at any extreme. I happen to like truths. It appears you do not. I will hold onto principles (outmoded ideologies). You can hold onto fresh bags of dogshit.



What I say is incomprehensible to a lot because Im not coming from the point of view of having to stick up for a religion.


Huh? What you are saying is simplistic stupidity. What's so hard to understand?



I am not a religion and they are not going to get me.
I am in fact a human being without prejudice and from what Ive seen from history and the present there is little to be said for any religion.


You hold to secular humanism. You make your own religion and deny you do it. To claim you are without prejudice is to say that you know nothing.



Spectrism said I had a small god in my own head, which in fact is true because the word is a memory ,not the real thing just a REPRESENTATION and not the same thing.As it is in religion just a REPRESENTATION and not the real thing.

Excuse me if you will but I prefer the real thing which is .............

... which is... unknown to you.

[Spectrism]

Seems we got too close to the truth with some. Norweger has gone running and is having a crisis that cuts to his core beliefs. He had no idea he was worshiping a meteorite or a female god. That Allah comes from such adherents as worshipped Baal and Ashtar may be a little too much to deal with. The fabrications by the land pirate, rapist and murdering scum Mohammad are just to build an empire of murderous thugs like IS is today.

[Serpo]

Christians don't worship a cross. That is extremely ignorant. It is like saying Japs worship the nuclear bombs dropped on Hiroshima & Nagasaki. It's like saying Russians worship Chernobyl. And if you want to be technically close to being insulting, the bible is incorrectly translated in versions as "cross" but the word is "tree".




If you believe 2+2=5, then yes, you are against 2+2=4.




What you set your emotions on is what you become and believe. Your choice. If you are foolish enough not to guard your heart and you decide to harbor false hopes, false beliefs and trust in unworthy people, then that is your stupidity.




The world is nearly completely against the my ways and moreso each day. It is becoming fouler, more evil and more corrupt as it strays from the one true God. Don't even try to blame this world on the christians since they have been rejected and YOUR secular humanism crap is what now stinks.



Principles are truths at any extreme. I happen to like truths. It appears you do not. I will hold onto principles (outmoded ideologies). You can hold onto fresh bags of dogshit.




Huh? What you are saying is simplistic stupidity. What's so hard to understand?




You hold to secular humanism. You make your own religion and deny you do it. To claim you are without prejudice is to say that you know nothing.




... which is... unknown to you.

Next time you dissect me can at least wait until Im dead.......


Serpo ........how to think properly by Spectrism

[Serpo]

. The fabrications by the land pirate, rapist and murdering scum Mohammad are just to build an empire of murderous thugs like IS is today.

Gee at least the church never went and built an empire ,raped and murdered people......haha

How one eyed are you............

[Spectrism]

Next time you dissect me can at least wait until Im dead.......


I did. :)



Gee at least the church never went and built an empire ,raped and murdered people......haha
How one eyed are you............

What "church" are you referring to? I have nothing to do with the Roman group and the Church I belong to is not housed in a building or seen on TV.

[Serpo]

I did. :)




What "church" are you referring to? I have nothing to do with the Roman group and the Church I belong to is not housed in a building or seen on TV.

I only have a tiny little god , I havnt got no big famous god that is like a movie star ,famous and all that, backed by others in large groups and yet everywhere I go there he is.

So what you are saying Spec is that I should turn my back on my own enlightenment and realizations throughout my life and take the belief of what others have said because they have formed an organization and know better,except they are not me and never will be.

That second hand knowledge through another person/church is the way to complete freedom.

Is this correct Spec, that without a religion I am doomed or is it that it is you without a religion is the one that maybe doomed.

So I not only get to go to heaven but can take my religion along with me ,kinda like baggage.

Spec arriving in heaven..........God says whats in the bag, Spec says ...why its my religion .....God says ............well what are you going to do with it here................................

[Spectrism]

I only have a tiny little god , I havnt got no big famous god that is like a movie star ,famous and all that, backed by others in large groups and yet everywhere I go there he is.

No. You really must be careful to seek out the truth. Any God who turns away worship is a small god. We are not equal with the Almighty and Creator of the universe. And the way His laws are established, worshiping the one true god is the best place to be.



So what you are saying Spec is that I should turn my back on my own enlightenment and realizations throughout my life and take the belief of what others have said because they have formed an organization and know better,except they are not me and never will be.


No- of course not! Truth is a wonderful thing and not to be sold or turned away. If you find truths in your travels, they are good to hold. There is no perfect organization of fallible humans. I don't sell any organizations or push any denominations.

In fact, I caution people about them and encourage shaking them all to see if they are true.



That second hand knowledge through another person/church is the way to complete freedom.


No. People may be able to point the direction for you to find good food, but YOU have to eat it if you are going to be strengthened by it. Only you can eat your food.



Is this correct Spec, that without a religion I am doomed or is it that it is you without a religion is the one that maybe doomed.


I hate religion. Most people with religion ARE doomed. I have said this many times.



So I not only get to go to heaven but can take my religion along with me ,kinda like baggage.

Spec arriving in heaven..........God says whats in the bag, Spec says ...why its my religion .....God says ............well what are you going to do with it here................................

Nobody gets into the kingdom of heaven unless they already know God personally and are know by Him. Just that simple. And this knowing is not like an acquaintance or casual meeting, or else the devil would still be there. It is a "knowing" of submission, confession, redemption, and covering. Washed in the blood of the Lamb of God is a cleansing to purity and provision of proper clothing for that realm. It is a familial relationship... knowing as in marriage. Being adopted into the family of the Creator. The greatest gift possible is offered to us and so many refuse to even acknowledge it.

Forget religions! Just meet God personally. Without that supernatural experience, you are lost.

[Spectrism]

BTW- I was not kidding about you being dead. You need life to see. You need life to know. But I don't say that to taunt you, thinking you can never have it. It is yours if you will have it.

[Serpo]

BTW- I was not kidding about you being dead. You need life to see. You need life to know. But I don't say that to taunt you, thinking you can never have it. It is yours if you will have it.

I am more alive than you can imagine.............

[Spectrism]

I am more alive than you can imagine.............

If you say so.

[Serpo]

Forget religions! Just meet God personally. .

Well what on earth do you think Ive been trying to convey here...........

[Spectrism]

Well what on earth do you think Ive been trying to convey here...........

false accusations