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Silver Rocket Bitches!
3rd September 2014, 07:05 AM
One of the great mysteries of the post-financial crisis world is why the U.S. has lacked inflation despite all the money being pumped into the economy.

The St. Louis Federal Reserve (http://www.cnbc.com/id/43752521) thinks it has the answer: A paper the central bank branch published this week blames the low level of money movement in large part on consumers and their "willingness to hoard money." The paper also cites the Fed's own policies as a reason for consumers' unwillingness to spend..

Though American consumers might dispute the notion that inflation has been low, the indicators the Fed follows show it to be running well below the target rate of 2 percent that would have to come before interest rates would get pushed higher.
That has happened despite nearly six years of a zero interest rate policy and as the Fed has pushed its balance sheet to nearly $4.5 trillion.

Much of that liquidity, however, has sat fallow. Banks have put away close to $2.8 trillion in reserves, and households are sitting on $2.15 trillion in savings—about a 50 percent increase over the past five years.

"So why did the monetary base increase not cause a proportionate increase in either the general price level or (gross domestic product)?" economist Yi Wen and associate Maria A. Arias asked in the St. Louis Fed paper (http://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-economy/what-does-money-velocity-tell-us-about-low-inflation-in-the-u-s/). "The answer lies in the private sector's dramatic increase in their willingness to hoard money instead of spend it. Such an unprecedented increase in money demand has slowed down the velocity of money."


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Monetary velocity—or the force to which money is put to work in the economy—is widely considered a key metric in measuring inflation.

Under normal circumstances, according to the Fed analysis, when the money supply increases at a faster rate than economic output, which has been the case since the Fed has instituted its aggressive easing practices, prices should keep pace. Factoring in the growth in the money supply against output, inflation should have grown at a whopping 33 percent annually, when in fact it has been rising less than 2 percent.

The reason that inflation hasn't kept up with gains in the money supply simply has been that people are sitting on cash rather than spending it, which has kept money velocity at historically low levels. Yi and Arias explained:
During the first and second quarters of 2014, the velocity of the monetary base was at 4.4, its slowest pace on record. This means that every dollar in the monetary base was spent only 4.4 times in the economy during the past year, down from 17.2 just prior to the recession. This implies that the unprecedented monetary base increase driven by the Fed's large money injections through its large-scale asset purchase programs has failed to cause at least a one-for-one proportional increase in nominal GDP. Thus, it is precisely the sharp decline in velocity that has offset the sharp increase in money supply, leading to the almost no change in nominal GDP.


The hoarding of money, then, is attributed to two factors:
A (gloomy) economy after the financial crisis.
The dramatic decrease in interest rates that has forced investors to readjust their portfolios toward liquid money and away from interest-bearing assets such as government bonds


The Fed pair go on to make a fairly stunning indictment of sorts about Fed policy:
In this regard, the unconventional monetary policy has reinforced the recession by stimulating the private sector's money demand through pursuing an excessively low interest rate policy (i.e., the zero-interest rate policy).


They make one final point in regard to interest rates.

Fed policy, in which it has expanded its balance sheet to nearly $4.5 trillion by buying various debt instruments, including Treasurys, has driven interest rates lower. Under normal circumstances, the decline in 10-year Treasury rates would have pushed monetary velocity lower by 0.085 percentage points. Instead, it has declined 5.85 percentage points, fully 69 times more than models would suggest, the paper states.
This happened because the nominal interest rate on short-term bonds has declined essentially to zero, and, in this case, the best form of risk-free liquid asset is no longer the short-term government bonds, but money.


The findings, of course, beg the question of what happens once the Fed takes its foot off the throat of bond yields, people start spending again, and the velocity of money, at least theoretically speaking, runs wild.

Economist Michael Pento, a frequent and harsh Fed critic, believes the St. Louis group has some of its assumptions wrong, particularly its understanding of why people aren't spending money. He sees it more as a function of high levels of debt that are constraining spending.

While Pento believes rates should rise, he thinks the initial reaction is going to be painful for the economy and unlikely to unleash a torrent of new spending.

"They're hard-money guys and I like them," Pento said of the St. Louis Fed. "I think they're trying to make an argument for interest rates to go up. But if they think rising rates are going to be good for the economy in the short term, they're mistaken."
Christopher Whalen, senior managing director at Kroll Bond Rating Agency, believes the Fed will come to regret how much it expanded its balance sheet and how long it kept rates low.

"The risks of continued low interest rates when measured against market benchmarks such as corporate bond spreads and volatility suggest to us that the longer the (Fed Open Market Committee) continues current policy, the more likely we are to see an adverse event in the financial markets when interest rate policy does change," Whalen said in a note. "We believe that the Fed's refusal to normalize interest rates now, during a time of high investor demand for assets, and relative economic stability and growth, could lead to adverse market conditions in the future."

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101963821

Horn
3rd September 2014, 07:29 AM
By the time a "consumer is willing" to spend, there maybe nothing left to purchase.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=6723&stc=1

No bounce.

Dachsie
3rd September 2014, 08:12 AM
Consumers ? What consumers"

Money" What money?

_______________

I used to like to read these news stories about the economy and economic factors and all that untill I became aware of how manipulated all of this is. The people with the money have an agenda to get richer and be damned with all the little people, the useless eaters. The people with the money have no set of Christian eternal moral and natural law values.

Example: The Consumer Price Index (CPI) is supposed to tell us all about inflation, but the basket of goods it uses to calculate the CPI does not contain food (expenses to consumers) and energy (gasoline and home heating / cooling /lighting expenses to consumers). So it makes the whole "economic indicators" [ CPI, GDP, PCI etc.] game a huge manipulation.

madfranks
3rd September 2014, 08:14 AM
Do you see how they use language against us? Back in the day, it was considered smart and essential to "save money". Nowadays the bankers are saying it's dangerous and stupid to "hoard money". But they are the same thing. The difference is, back in the day, people understood that saving and investing for the future would grow the economy and increase productivity and wealth; while today we're a "consumer economy" where saving and investing is considered bad, while consuming all you can is considered good.

Dachsie
3rd September 2014, 08:24 AM
back in the day, people understood that saving and investing for the future would grow the economy and increase productivity and wealth; while today we're a "consumer economy" where saving and investing is considered bad, while consuming all you can is considered good.


I read a book by Frederick Bastiat - I think the title was "The Law" It said that
"wealth" is "production". It said that real production of a country is the only meaning of real wealth.

Today, in the USA, we have lost our production - industries and manufacturing companies. The fat cat corporatists have outsourced Americans' jobs and what used to be huge production capacity of the American workforce to foreign countries of H1-B visas to bring in low paid computer IT jobs to foreigners, thus throwing all our college grads to live back home with mom and dad cause they can't get a job.

It seems to me that becoming as survival strategy savvy as possible, as skilled at independent living as possible, is the only way. Those are the best kind of "dollars saved in the bank" that one can have.

It would help to have family, friends and neighbors who held the same basic moral values to have solidarity with as things keep on their path to total economic breakdown, but I am afraid the fat cats have destroyed our common moral / religious values too.

Dogman
3rd September 2014, 08:28 AM
Do you see how they use language against us? Back in the day, it was considered smart and essential to "save money". Nowadays the bankers are saying it's dangerous and stupid to "hoard money". But they are the same thing. The difference is, back in the day, people understood that saving and investing for the future would grow the economy and increase productivity and wealth; while today we're a "consumer economy" where saving and investing is considered bad, while consuming all you can is considered good.
Yep!

Not so long ago, saving was a good thing! Now saving = Hording = Bad thing! My x did not believe in saving which she did call "Hording" (For real!). Is one reason she is my "x" now!

And the worm turns!

aeondaze
3rd September 2014, 08:44 AM
Do you see how they use language against us? Back in the day, it was considered smart and essential to "save money". Nowadays the bankers are saying it's dangerous and stupid to "hoard money". But they are the same thing. The difference is, back in the day, people understood that saving and investing for the future would grow the economy and increase productivity and wealth; while today we're a "consumer economy" where saving and investing is considered bad, while consuming all you can is considered good.

I strugle to understand the difference today than say 30 years ago and beyond, but I think the truth is that thirty or more years ago people could actually spend enough to support an economy while concurently saving. But the fact is real wages have pretty much stagnated in that same time frame while costs have gone up exponentially. Ten to twenty years ago people gave up saving because they believed that their 'investments' (be that house/land and or stocks or super/401K) would acount for any lack of financial prudence, not so.

Now everyone is maxed out debtwise and are sitting on their cash reserves fearing any further economic deteriation and an inability to service the debt. This is completely different to the banks who refuse to invest in anything because they don't see substantial returns as economic growth slows to a snails pace due to a global market that has reached its limits of expansion.

Subsequentially the FED's policies have succesfully stifled every asset class bar stocks, for the time being...tick tock...

Anyhow all this talk of low inflation is comeplte bullshit, everyone knows the price of essentials has gone through the roof. Sure inflation is real low, if you don't eat, clothe yourslef, drive a car, heat/cool your house or have running water...assholes...

The only thing left to preserve your wealth is PM's or bitcoin, and they sure are trying real hard to shake that tree as well...only time will tell but this whole shitfest doesn't augur well.

chad
3rd September 2014, 08:52 AM
every week cnn or some outlet has a story along the line of "70% of americans couldn't come up with $2,000 for an emergency" or "40% of all americans don't even have $500 in their bank account." that seems at odds with them "hoarding money."

SWRichmond
3rd September 2014, 09:06 AM
"households are sitting on $2.15 trillion in savings—about a 50 percent increase over the past five years."

This is probably stock market valuation increases (paper wealth) due to the Fed's pumping. "Savings" my ass.

Silver Rocket Bitches!
3rd September 2014, 09:12 AM
In the 70s when we started to have runaway inflation/stagflation, didn't they have to raise interest rates to a level that forced consumers to save? It was necessary to save the economy/dollar. Now they are saying money velocity is too low and not meeting their inflation target of 2%. Well, if they included fuel and food then they would see that inflation is over 10%. You can't leave the grocery store without spending $100 these days.

madfranks
3rd September 2014, 09:20 AM
every week cnn or some outlet has a story along the line of "70% of americans couldn't come up with $2,000 for an emergency" or "40% of all americans don't even have $500 in their bank account." that seems at odds with them "hoarding money."

Hell, I didn't even notice the title of the article calls us all "consumers". Another example of language used against us. We are all labeled "consumers" who are not "consuming" enough. Saving money in order to invest in higher production is actively fought against, because these politicians and bankers believe* that consuming is what builds an economy, not producing.

*Actually I think those at the very top know exactly what they're doing, but most bankers and politicians really believe this garbage.

hoarder
3rd September 2014, 09:45 AM
"households are sitting on $2.15 trillion in savings—about a 50 percent increase over the past five years."

This is probably stock market valuation increases (paper wealth) due to the Fed's pumping. "Savings" my ass.Data and statistics can show whatever they want it to show, it's all a matter of how they gather and calculate it (assuming they don't simply make it up).

Dachsie
3rd September 2014, 10:29 AM
Data and statistics can show whatever they want it to show, it's all a matter of how they gather and calculate it (assuming they don't simply make it up).

So very true.

I used to work in revenue estimating department of large state comptroller office. We used to set up computer equations called econometric modeling whereby we would estimate the income from various state income sources (taxes etc) for the next two years into future. This is the way the Comptroller would tell the legislature how much money they could spend on all their new spending laws.

No matter how solid the model was set up and how good an estimate it was, it was always twisted and changed by the Comptroller sort of as a hammer or bartering coercive tool for the Comptroller to get what HE WANTED in the way of laws. He "tweeked" the estimates just enough but not too much, so the estimates always looked reasonably good after the two years and his record looked good. But he amassed great political power by messing with the estimates.

Of course, it all ended up being special breaks and treatments for the big corporations businesses of the state and heavy enforcement of taxes etc on the little guy.

Horn
3rd September 2014, 11:17 AM
We are all unwilling consumers, franks.

Forget the fact that a coffee maker made in China lasts about 6 months, and Starbucks has got masonic symbols all over their brand.

Time to wash my coffee sock I use as a filter.

Neuro
3rd September 2014, 12:57 PM
The velocity of money is the real time bomb, once it starts to go up, price inflation will follow, which means the value of the cash will be less, and money velocity will increase because of that, the curve will be exponential. A 2008 velocity of money of 17, and a lets say $6 Trillion fed balance would mean a GDP of a $100 Trillion, but no increased production means goods and services will on average increase 6 times. Necessities like staple food (bread, potatoes, eggs) could easily go up 20 times...

Silver Rocket Bitches!
3rd September 2014, 01:48 PM
The velocity of money is the real time bomb, once it starts to go up, price inflation will follow, which means the value of the cash will be less, and money velocity will increase because of that, the curve will be exponential. A 2008 velocity of money of 17, and a lets say $6 Trillion fed balance would mean a GDP of a $100 Trillion, but no increased production means goods and services will on average increase 6 times. Necessities like staple food (bread, potatoes, eggs) could easily go up 20 times...

Couple that with a huge inflow of repatriated dollars and we've got Weimar on our hands.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=6725&stc=1

Neuro
3rd September 2014, 01:59 PM
Couple that with a huge inflow of repatriated dollars and we've got Weimar on our hands.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=6725&stc=1
Further with price inflation in triple digits the velocity of money won't stay at 17x, more like 170 or 1700x, but it will be good for the GNP... :)

madfranks
3rd September 2014, 02:18 PM
And the dow jones will break 1 million, and everyone will cheer because that means we're all rich!

Gold Rules
3rd September 2014, 07:16 PM
Yep!

Not so long ago, saving was a good thing! Now saving = Hording = Bad thing! My x did not believe in saving which she did call "Hording" (For real!). Is one reason she is my "x" now!

And the worm turns!

IF

My saving my hard earned $$$$$$$ pisses off a banker

guess what

I will keep doing just .......that ;D........it sucks to be them

Horn
3rd September 2014, 07:43 PM
And the dow jones will break 1 million, and everyone will cheer because that means we're all rich!

If this keeps up we'll all be able to afford homes produced from particle board, and luxury coffee makers made in China.

Cebu_4_2
3rd September 2014, 08:57 PM
Don't know if I am just in a down cycle but with my 200+ internet customers they are not purchasing. Additionally 80% are gone. This is just this years consensus so far. I have to acquire 80% more customers to meet the first of the years income, not an easy task.

Serpo
3rd September 2014, 11:10 PM
They are always trying to get people to spend more ,this is just another ploy

Neuro
3rd September 2014, 11:57 PM
IF

My saving my hard earned $$$$$$$ pisses off a banker

guess what

I will keep doing just .......that ;D........it sucks to be them

Stop accepting them for your goods and services altogether, nothing will piss them off more than that. They conjure them out of thin air, the only thing that makes them valuable is that people think they are a valuable exchange for their labour, goods and services...