Surprising Discovery that Ashkenazi Jews Descend from Europeans... V

[Ponce]

And what's "knew" about this?
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A new study published in the leading journal Nature Communications has discovered that Ashkenazi Jews, a Jewish ethnic group who trace their origins to the indigenous tribes of early Israel, have a maternal lineage that comes largely from Europe.

According to the mainstream hypothesis, Jews arrived in central Europe following the Byzantine–Sasanian War of 602–628, and began settling in Germany during the early Middle Ages. Today, "Ashkenazi Jews" is a descriptive term for descendants of these Jews, including those who established communities in Central and Eastern Europe centuries later. With them, they took and diversified Yiddish, a High German language written using the Hebrew alphabet, and heavily influenced by classical Hebrew and Aramaic.

Though the Ashkenazi Jews have lived in Europe for many centuries, the study’s analysis of DNA samples contradict the belief that most European Jews descend from people who left Israel and the Middle East around 2,000 years ago. Instead, a substantial proportion of the population originates from local Europeans who converted to Judaism, said study co-author Martin Richards, an archaeogeneticist at the University of Huddersfield in England.

A 2006 study found Ashkenazi Jews to be a clear, homogeneous genetic subgroup. Strikingly, regardless of the place of origin, Ashkenazi Jews can be grouped in the same genetic cohort — that is, regardless of whether an Ashkenazi Jew's ancestors came from Poland, Russia, Hungary, Lithuania, or any other place with a historical Jewish population, they belong to the same ethnic group. This is because for roughly a thousand years, the Ashkenazim were a reproductively isolated population in Europe, despite living in many countries, with little inflow or outflow from migration, conversion, or intermarriage with other groups, including other Jews.

For many centuries it has been thought that this ethnic cohort had its origins in Israel and the Near East and some studies seemed to have confirmed this to be true - past research found that 50 to 80% of DNA from the male lineage, originated in the Near East. However, the current study examined maternal DNA which produced a very different result, showing that more than 80 percent of the maternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to Europe, with only a few lineages originating in the Near East.

"This suggests that, even though Jewish men may indeed have migrated into Europe from Palestine around 2000 years ago, they seem to have married European women," states Professor Richards.

In the early years of the Diaspora, it seems that Judaism took in many converts from amongst the European population, but they were mainly recruited from amongst women. Thus, on the female line of descent, the Ashkenazim primarily trace their ancestry to southern and western Europe.

"The origins of the Ashkenazim is one of the big questions that people have pursued again and again and never really come to a conclusive view," said Prof Richards, who has described the new
- See more at: http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-evolution-human-origins/surprising-discovery-ashkenazi-jews-descend-europeans-00909#sthash.M120DpGm.dpuf

[Dachsie]

It is, of course, interesting that the overwhelming majority of the "Jews" in present day Israel are not semites and are not descendents of Abraham and that the Palestinian people actually are semites and have more signs in their dna that they are descended from Abraham. Texe Marrs has done a book on this and several free articles on this.

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I personally do not think this is of much importance at all -- only interesting.

The Mosaic covenant is over with for those who want to call themselves "Jews", especially the "Jews" in Israel of today.

When Jesus came he totally fulfilled the Mosaic covenant.

Now, the Abrahamic covenant, made with God when Abraham was still a gentile religiously and not circumsized until 25 years later was not abrograted when Jesus came, but it was and is continually being fulfilled.

Accepting Jesus and attaining the salvation that is ONLY POSSIBLE through Him and his death on the cross and resurrection has ZERO to do with whether one is a "true Jew" DNA-wise, and it has zero to do with those who profess any form of the Judaism religion.
Try to GET THAT, folks.

The land promises to Abraham were COMPLETELY FULFILLED in the Old TESTAMENT times. I have already given the OT bible verses for that in some other thread.

There are a couple of reasons God "chose" the Israelites of the Old Testament times to by the "apple of His eye."
1. To preserve the bloodline of the Messiah, Jesus Christ - Yashuah Hamashiach (sorry can't do spelling this time in morning before coffee)

2. God did want to set aside a people who were to live exemplary moral lives and who were monotheistic to the one true God amongst on all sides of them horrible pagans who sacrificed their children to Molech and all manner of depravity.


Regarding bloodline of Jesus matter - Mary, a Jewish girl, was the physical mother of the Messiah. She was descended from the House of David, as was coincidentally, Jesus's foster father (not physically related to Jesus) was descended from the House of David. Both of their genealogies are given separately in the New Testament. One descended through Solomon and one descended through Solomon's brother, Nathan. Again, wont look up specifics at this time.

The father of Jesus was God the Father through the Holy Spirit, the third Person of the Holy Trinity.
Jesus was fully God and fully man. Got that?

In "Jewish" genealogy - bloodlines - lineage matters, everything traces back through the mother, through the maternal side. So Jesus was on the physical descended from the House of David as the bible tells us. I do not think this means you can say "Jesus was a Jew" but he was physically of the House of David and descended from Abraham.

When people speak of "the covenant" they often do not specify WHICH COVENANT in the Old TESTAMENT they are talking about. Even the last pope made that big mistake.

There is the Mosaic Covenant
There is the Abrahamic Covenant
There is the Noahic Covenant
and maybe some more I do not even know about.

The bigee covenant that we tend,, in HUGE ERROR OF THINKING, to assume they are talking about is the Mosaic Covenant (think the Ten Commandments).

For Christianity, the Mosaic Covenant was completely fulfilled and is completely over with. Christianity is not religiously bound to the letter of the law, the ten commandments, but do adhere to the PRINCIPLES contained in the ten commandments. The letter of "the OT law" is over with because of the coming of the Messiah and His completed work and reason for coming into this world.

Hope I have not bored anyone but I get so tired of all this mishmash about DNA and Jews.

It ain't about that!

To me, when Herzyl and the others set up modern nation state of Israel (which is no special thing at all according the entire bible), they should have had the real care and concern for the "Jewish" people that they claimed to have. South America and even an African nation were candidates for the new protected homeland for the "Jews" but those evil people decided it had to be the Israel in the Middle East right in the middle of all the hostile warring tribes that have been brutally fighting and killing each other and who hate the "Jews" since Jacob and Esau. Choosing that place ain't love and concern for people - that is arranging for permanent war and bloodshed for all and really arranges for World Ward III and end of modern nation state of Israel and the killing off of all the people in Israel.




http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=82216

"ASHKENAZI and KHAZARS ARE NOT JEWS"

By Fahim A. Knight-EL

In the Bible Abraham is called the father of nations. Thus, Abraham had two sons, Isaac and Ishmael according to both the Bible (Judeo-Christian) and the Holy Quran (Islam/Muslim). What people fail to understand about this conflict in Palestine is that it’s a theological conflict that is shrouded in political terms. Theodore Hertzl is considered the so-called father of modern Zionism and in 1880's and 1890's Hertzl began advocating that the so-called disperse Jews were the chosen people of God and that in the book of Genesis there was a so-called covenant established between the people that called themselves Jews and God.

The call for ZION (a designated home) was a theological call justified in the Old Testament teachings of a so-called promise that God had made to a certain people (that promise was not to the Ashkenazi/Khazars nor to the so-called Semite). The disperse Ashkenazis of Eastern Europe took on another people's history and culture and remember most historians have documented that many nations ran the Zionist Jews out their country for various conduct unbecoming to those nations societies. Thus, as much as we want to believe that 1947/1948 represents the beginning of Zionism, in particular when the State of Israel was established or created by Ben Gourin, Moshe Dyane and the boys these converted Ashkenazi and Khazars were acting out of a so-called theological conviction (a 4000-6000 year promise) that God had promised them Palestine or the Holy Land/Jerusalem.

Now! How did a white (Eastern European) Ashkenazi and Khazar from Russia or Poland become Semitic? The Ashkenazi and the Khazar is of a Yiddish strain and have no genetic linage to the Semitic people. The term Semitic has very little to do with Race classification, it is actually more associated with a body of languages spoken in East Africa, and the Mediterranean region. So these Ashkenazis and Khazars of European descendent conveniently adopted a Race Classification and really adopted a religion (Judaism). Hertzl exclaim this so-called disperse people towards a political solution that was disguised in a theological solution and justified under Biblical Jurisprudence.

Lets go back to Abraham sons and for those who are not Biblical (Talmud and Old Testament) or Quranic scholars, it is important to remember that Isaac and Ishmael were blood brothers (kith and kin). Abraham is not tied to the Ashkenazi or the Khazars, but he is conveniently classified as a Jew (there is no theological bases), but this term is loosely used to classify ethnicity and is also conveniently used to indicate religion; maybe it is done as a means of deception. Jew can not be a Race because the original Jew lives in Ethiopia (jet black African) and he is known as the Beta Jews or the Falasha Jews. They have been practicing Judaism in its truest form for thousands of years before this European strain adopted this ancient religion.

Also, there are many other people of different ethnicities who are considered Jews from all seven continents and they are not all of one Race and they do necessarily look like the Ashkenazi or the Khazars and many of them are not Semites. This fact alone should disqualify that the Jews are a race of people. They are not.

The two sons Isaac became the Sephardic Jew (or Judeo-Christians) and the Arab became the Ishmaelites (Islam/Muslims), they are kith and kin. This land dispute in one sense are between blood brothers, THE JEW AND THE ARAB. BUT ZIONIST HAS CONFUSED THE MASSES OF THE PEOPLE.

The term and scare tactic of labeling Critics and critique of Zionist Jewish behavior as being anti-Semitic is a misnomer because these people are not Semites. I make a clear distinction between those Jews who practiced Judaism as their faith tradition and are good people, and denounces the political inspired movement of Zionism as being Fascist and racist. The occupation of Palestine is an outlaw act.You can not undestand the complexity of the Zionist issue because it is rooted in theological messianic terms and is guided by political and military machines.

You can not solve this riddle unless you know and understand, who is the original man? Because these two bastardize people are fighting over land that is not theirs and it will never be decided until the original man takes his rightful place Another subject for another time.

Fahim A. Knight-EL Chief Researcher for KEEPING IT REAL THINK TANK located in Durham, NC; our mission is to inform African Americans and all people of good will of the pending dangers that lie ahead; as well as decode the symbolisms and reinterpret the hidden meanings behind those who operate as invisible forces, but covertly rules the world. We are of the belief that an enlighten world will be better prepared to throw off the shackles of ignorance and not be willing participants for the slaughter. Our MOTTO is speaking truth to power. Fahim A. Knight can be reached at fahimknight@yahoo.com.

STAY AWAKE UNTIL WE MEET AGAIN,
Fahim A. Knight-EL
Last edited by fahimknight; 16-09-2009 at 09:41 PM.

[aeondaze]

"This suggests that, even though Jewish men may indeed have migrated into Europe from Palestine around 2000 years ago, they seem to have married European women," states Professor Richards.

This guy is a genius. Where does he think the term 'Shiksa' comes from?


Professor Frederic Cople Jaher writes:

The shiksa obsesses many Jews: Rabbis see her as an intermarital threat to the survival of Judaism; parents fear that she will lure their sons away from family and faith; and Jewish men fantasize about her sexual and social desirability. She figures prominently—even compulsively—in popular movies and bestsellers by Jewish directors and writers.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiksa

[Ponce]

As far as I know, which is not much, not all Jew of the Bible are Semites because only those descendants from one of the tribes are Semites.............And the Zionist? it is a political party founded in 1897 in Europe and nothing to do with religion or the Jews. If I am wrong then please correct me...but you better be right.

V

[Dachsie]

I do not know about all this very much and it disgusts me that there is almost nothing in Catholic bible study that explains this in relation to present-day "Zionism" and modern nation state of Israel. I guess that lack is due to infiltration of the Church for a very long time by Freemasonic-Judaic forces.

The current leaders of the nation state of Israel claim Israel's land belongs to them forever from the Nile to the Euphrates, because Abraham promised it to them but this claim even though it is wrong biblically and theologically may just be a phony claim by Israel's leaders to justify all the carnage and genocide they have wrought. They want to take over not only ersatz Israel from the Nile to the Euphrates, but they really also want to take over the world. But it is really the Lucifer-worshipping Banksters and occultists from all time that are pushing one worldism.

From a truly Christian perspective land on this earth for any group of people has zero to do with Christ and His salvation. No person can get to heaven by a separate covenant, called dual covenant theology, which "Christian Zionists" do seem to believe in. St. Augustine called all this concern with this passing earth as "The City of Man", as opposed to the City of God.

Now if people want to only talk about land on this passing-away earth and they don't believe in an afterlife or in Jesus or how to get there, then they buy in to all this stuff about Israel being promised to the Jews forever, an "everlasting" promise.

Jesus says this world is passing away and He does not care about land. There is evidence in both the old and new testament that God wants there to be individual sovereign nation states and not a one world government, but no nation state such as modern Israel is different or more special than any other country because of God's special blessing on one country. The bible, especially the New Testament is clear about that.

I took extensive notes on a CD called "Christian Zionism - A modern oxymoron, by Dr. Robert Sungenis, that explains all this. (available from isoc.ws). Ir anyone wants me to copy and paste my notes into two separate posts here, I will do so.

The term "Zionism" is purely a political term.

[Ponce]

There is nothing in the Bible about Zionist because the Bible is a ''little" bit older.....hahhahhahahh.......the term "Christian Zionist" is a new one made up by those who have been brain wash since 1897.

People keep using the word "Jew" when in reality they mean Zionist.

V

[7th trump]

There is nothing in the Bible about Zionist because the Bible is a ''little" bit older.....hahhahhahahh.......the term "Christian Zionist" is a new one made up by those who have been brain wash since 1897.

People keep using the word "Jew" when in reality they mean Zionist.

V

For a guy who doesnt beleive in the bible you sure think you do Ponce.

These zionist you talk about are the kenites Ponce...the fake chosen that Christ identified thousands of years ago as being from the synagogs of satan.
You are a few thousand years late Ponce.
The word 'kenite" is hebrew word describing the sons of Cain...the first murderer.....but why do I tell you...you dont beleive in the bible....and I bet you'll take the credit from Christ and claim it for yourself.

Like I say you are thousands of years late in figuring this out Ponce. And I have been saying this since before this site came into existence.
But the problem with this all is these kenites have stolen the identity of the true Israelites.
The true Israelites are the Germans, British, Scottish, French, Russian, Polish, italians, canadians Australians, Austrians, Finland and two that stayed in the middle east area.........the caucasians.....because it was the Israelites who went over the Caucasus mountains of Georgia after being released from Egyptian slavery....hence why they are called "caucasians".

Theres a documentary showing video in Saudi Arabia showing exactly where Moses went up the mountain on youtube...but you quite frankly do not wish to view it as it may imply you have to start beleiving in the Bible...and threfore eating your words...thus destroying your ego you so dearly cling onto.

[Libertytree]

For a guy who doesnt beleive in the bible you sure think you do Ponce.

These zionist you talk about are the kenites Ponce...the fake chosen that Christ identified thousands of years ago as being from the synagogs of satan.
You are a few thousand years late Ponce.
The word 'kenite" is hebrew word describing the sons of Cain...the first murderer.....but why do I tell you...you dont beleive in the bible....and I bet you'll take the credit from Christ and claim it for yourself.

Like I say you are thousands of years late in figuring this out Ponce. And I have been saying this since before this site came into existence.
But the problem with this all is these kenites have stolen the identity of the true Israelites.
The true Israelites are the Germans, British, Scottish, French, Russian, Polish, italians, canadians Australians, Austrians, Finland and two that stayed in the middle east area.........the caucasians.....because it was the Israelites who went over the Caucasus mountains of Georgia after being released from Egyptian slavery....hence why they are called "caucasians".

Theres a documentary showing video in Saudi Arabia showing exactly where Moses went up the mountain on youtube...but you quite frankly do not wish to view it as it may imply you have to start beleiving in the Bible...and threfore eating your words...thus destroying your ego you so dearly cling onto.

Who were the 2 that stayed and why didn't they haul ass too?

[crimethink]

Most modern "Jews" are the descendants of pagan converts from the ancient nation called Khazaria. It was located in what is now Ukraine & southern Russia. They adopted the "Traditions of the Elders" and identify as "Ashkenazim" ever since.

Likewise with most North African "Jews." They, too, are converts to the "Traditions of the Elders."

[PatColo]

from makow... DDuke upset a few peeps his article a few months ago; see embedded links: Also see reader comments at link,

http://henrymakow.com/2014/06/David-Duke-Downplays-Jewish-Khazar-Connection%20.html
David Duke Downplays Jewish-Khazar Connection June 17, 2014
http://henrymakow.com/upload_images/khazar%20rabbis-1.jpg
(left, Khazar Rabbis)



The Khazar-Jewish connection
is too important to be dismissed.







Common sense tells us that five million Jews could not appear in Poland/ Russia
after the decline of the Khazarian empire in the Tenth Century unless they were Khazars.





by Henry Makow Ph.D.

We owe David Duke a debt of gratitude for continuing to sound the alarm about Jewish Supremacism. But lately Duke has made statements that undermine our cause. Recently, I chided him (http://henrymakow.com/2014/05/Feckless-Goyim-Downplay-Protocols-of-Zion.html) for calling The Protocols of Zion a "work of imagination" like George Orwell's 1984. The protocols are genuine.

This was the second of two missteps. In April, Duke wrote a long article,"Rethinking the Khazar Theory" (http://davidduke.com/rethinking-khazar-theory/) that rejects the widely held view that the Jews descend from the Khazars. He cites numerous genetic studies that link modern Jews to the Hebrews; compares their appearance; and reminds us of the continuity of Jewish warlike and predatory behavior.

This article had Duke's supporters scratching their heads because it seems to support Zionist claims to Palestine. Not so, says Duke.

"No matter what the case, there is no moral justification for the Jewish terrorist creation of Israel. It is a crime against humanity to drive hundreds of thousands of men, women and children from their land and homes, terrorize them and murder thousands, just because of a claim that one's distant ancestors supposedly lived there millennia ago. It this "logic" is carried through to its conclusion, then it would be "justified" to drive from their homes 99.9 percent of the people alive on planet Earth--because there is hardly a region on earth that has not been subjected to invasions or migrations throughout history."

http://henrymakow.com/upload_images/duke-on-video.pngSo why does the Khazar theory bother him? He believes that somehow the Khazar theory was constructed by "Communist Jews" to cover up the fact that Jews are a race. Duke writes:

How convenient it is to suggest that Jews are not a race, not a related people that gives them a unity and strength in conflict with other peoples.
One cannot explain the power of Zionism unless one understands Jewish tribalism. Jewish tribalism (racism) and favoritism and preference for fellow Jews combined with discrimination against non-Jews ultimately enables them to take over almost any institution. Without Jewish racism, Zionism could not flourish, for that is what gives the Jewish extremists its enormous economic, media and political influence.

"This is a Jewish Supremacist tactic: They disguise Jewish racism through religious dogma, rather than admitting ethnic nationalism.
Their psychology in saying the Jews are not a race goes like this: "How can the Jews be racists if they are not a race?"

This begs the question, why can't Khazars be a race? Why can't Jews descend from Khazars (Turkish Mongols) and follow a racist agenda? If they bought the "Jewish" franchise by converting to Judaism, they regarded themselves as "God's Chosen People." The Jews are a self-created, reality-creating people. They are the "Jewish" race of Khazars. ( While Jews exhibit many racial characteristics, I still believe that Jews are primarily defined by Cabalist Judaism (http://www.henrymakow.com/jews_a_religion_not_a_nationra.html), which is a satanic cult. Jews are as much a victim of Cabalist Judaism as non-Jews.)


JEWS REGARD THEMSELVES AS KHAZARS

Duke is mistaken to downplay the Khazar theory. The New World Order is a recrudescence of Khazar imperialism. The Bolshevik Revolution was payback for the defeat of the Khazars by the Russians in the Tenth Century. For every genealogical study that says Jews descend from Hebrews, there is another that says they are Khazars. Common sense tells us that five million Jews could not appear in Poland/ Russia after the defeat of the Khazarian empire in the Tenth Century unless they were Khazars.

http://henrymakow.com/upload_images/elena%20kagan.jpg(left, Jewish Supreme Court Judge Elena Kagan. Kagan was the term for the Khazar king.)

Jews have long acknowledged that 95% of today's Jews descend from Khazars. The Jewish Encyclopedia for 1925 writes that the "Khazars are a people of Turkish origin whose life and history are interwoven with the very beginning of the Jews of Russia."

Abraham Poliak, Professor of Medieval Jewish History at Tel Aviv University writes, the descendents of Khazars "constitute now the large majority of world Jewry." (Khazaria-The History of a Jewish Kingdom in Europe, 1951)

According to to the American Peoples's Encyclopedia (1964), "In the year 740 AD, the Khazars were officially converted to Judaism. A century later they were cursed by the incoming Slavic-speaking people and were scattered over central Europe where they were known as Jews." (15, p. 292)
The Encyclopedia Americana (1985) states: "The Khazars are believed to be the ancestors of of most Russian and Eastern European Jews."

These Khazar Jews were known as Ashkenazi and they make up over 90% of the Jewish population, not just 60% as David Duke says in his article.

Valdas Anelauskas writes: "The Khazars' and their modern day descendents claim to being Jews is strictly religious."

He says these Jews flourished in Poland, Lithuania and Ukraine throughout the medieval and modern periods. They administered feudal oppression for the aristocracy and thus earned the enmity of the peasants. They monopolized the alcohol, timber, textile, fur and luxury trades, and competed with their hosts for political control. Jews were distinguished by their black coats and side-locks, and "their nervous gestures, continually emphasizing the spoken word, and their characteristic feverish haste." The Yiddish language was adapted from constant contact with German traders. (Russia and Zionism (http://archive.org/stream/ZionismAndRussia-ByValdasAnelauskas/ZionismAndRussia-Zionismandrussia-anelauskas_djvu.txt), Lecture Two.)

The tendency to "continually emphasize the spoken word" struck a chord with me, a Khazar Jew. Jews are very verbal. Law comes naturally because the spoken word is a contract. But this tendency has severe limitations. Language is only a part of communication and lends itself to deception. In terms of true understanding, words are superficial.

http://henrymakow.com/upload_images/khazaria-10th-century.pngCONCLUSION

David Duke's motivation for arguing that Jews do not descend from the Khazars is gratuitous. The Jews are as much a race as Khazars as they would be as Biblical Hebrews. His dismissal of the Khazar connection is hasty, irresponsible and makes no sense.

The Jewish New World Order is a recrudescence of Khazar imperialism (http://www0.crashrecovery.org/forrestal/Iron.Curtain.Over.America.pdf). As Anelasukas writes, Jews view Russia as "the force which caused the ancient so-called empire of the Jews, the Khazar empire to collapse. Having once dominated much of what is present-day Russia, the Khazar Jews still want to reestablish that domination-- and for a millennium they have been continually trying to do just that."

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Related-
Texe Marrs - Jews are Khazars (http://www.texemarrs.com/082013/jews_are_khazars.htm)
Benjamin Freedman- Jews are Khazars (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/facts2.htm)
Lilienthall- Zionist Claims Unfounded (http://henrymakow.com/2013/03/Zionist-Claims-to-Israel-Unfounded%20.html)
Makow - Do Jews Suffer from False Identity? (http://henrymakow.com/000160.html)


First Comment from Polish Blogger ZZ:

You are correct on the question. Duke is a thorough researcher and really brave man. We all owe him our deepest respect for his courage, straighforwardness and humble simplicity of his standpoint. He is a real, neat and gentle person, real deal gentile.

As you can guess I can pretty well "read" the mind of the Khazar, having many friends between them. In fact, polish political, scientific and juridical systems are simply so thoroughly infiltrated, that Jerusalem is a natural second home or standard refuge, after abrupt career ending.

http://henrymakow.com/upload_images/LloydBlankfeinBigSmile.jpgYou are correct in your observations, regarding Khazar. They are in fact central to modern Judaism, giving off such satanic spawn as Lubavitschers, Sabbateans and Frankists. They all come from Khazaria! Is it a coincidence? No way. Khazars created modern Judaism and Zionism specifically.

Take a look at Lloyd Blankfein, for example. I do not need more than a look to go into winning wager with you over his ancestry. They come from Poland. Wanna bet? Take famous Rob All Jon Corzine. I guess his familial name is Korzen, from Poland. Or current FED president Janet Yellen. Guess what, she is from Poland and the original name was... Jelen [Hirsch in yiddish]. It is in the face and in the name, if you can read the signs. It is obvious to me. So I do not need Dr. Duke to tell me Khazars are not a race. They obviously are. I know it for a fact of life. He can disagree with the facts and ignore them, although they won't ignore him and come back at him - and with a vengeance in this case.

[Dachsie]

As a Christian, I believe our definition of "race" is just another manipulation of people to control them through Marxist-Darwinian evolution ideas.

Good article...

Are There Really Different Races?
by Ken Ham on November 29, 2007; last featured August 11, 2009

https://answersingenesis.org/racism/are-there-really-different-races/

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There ARE different people groups who moved off and settled in certain areas and married among themselves so took on similar physical characteristics. OK, fine. They probably got along pretty good and the marriages lasted. OK, fine. If people want to preserve their people groups, they ought to be able to, but as the book, The Slaughter of Cities, shows, our government want's to break up ethnic enclaves in large northern urban cities with "urban renewal" and other Marxist social engineering schemes toward "multiculturalism" and other control rot. (Kent Hovind explains how Marx and his followers really loved and adopted Darwinianism to further their agenda. I think Marx and Engels dedicated Das Kapital to Darwin, There is a YouTube on this.

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He [David Duke] cites numerous genetic studies that link modern Jews to the Hebrews; compares their appearance; and reminds us of the continuity of Jewish warlike and predatory behavior.

It is this "continuity of Jewish warlike and predatory behavior" that E. Michael Jones's thesis calls "the Jewish revolutionary spirit." (See his book of same title) They made their fateful decision in about 33 A.D. to reject Logos and they have been causing revolutions and wars ever since throughout the world. That's the best theory I have heard so far. It is about a "spirit" that takes over a person or a people, not about the pattern on nucleotide chains in a person's cells.
I basically do not trust Makow though some of his stuff is good. In this discussion, I'm with Duke, but I do not know Duke's motivations.
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Here is an interesting article about Makow...

http://fitzinfo.wordpress.com/2014/08/12/henry-makow-duped-by-zionist/

Henry Makow duped by Zionist
The Fall of Jerusalem

The Fall of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.

By Timothy Fitzpatrick
August 12, 2014 Anno Domini



Here is a good article about who are "semites" and who is "Israel" in the bible.

http://www.scionofzion.com/anti-semitic.htm

Anti-Semitic? Who are the Semites?

by Dr. Ken Matto

[crimethink]

As a Christian, I believe our definition of "race" is just another manipulation of people to control them through Marxist-Darwinian evolution ideas.

Good article...

Are There Really Different Races?
by Ken Ham on November 29, 2007; last featured August 11, 2009

https://answersingenesis.org/racism/are-there-really-different-races/

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There ARE different people groups who moved off and settled in certain areas and married among themselves so took on similar physical characteristics. OK, fine. They probably got along pretty good and the marriages lasted. OK, fine. If people want to preserve their people groups, they ought to be able to, but as the book, The Slaughter of Cities, shows, our government want's to break up ethnic enclaves in large northern urban cities with "urban renewal" and other Marxist social engineering schemes toward "multiculturalism" and other control rot. (Kent Hovind explains how Marx and his followers really loved and adopted Darwinianism to further their agenda. I think Marx and Engels dedicated Das Kapital to Darwin, There is a YouTube on this.


I do not believe in Darwinism, at least not as the religion so-called modern science has created out of it. However, it is perfectly obvious that the varied races of man are not of the same race or maybe even same species.

Ken Ham argues in favor of the New World Order "one world, one race" myth. That is not Biblical. God warned us at the Tower that we should not attempt such nonsense. And the peoples gathered around the Tower of Babel were all White. He is more concerned with social acceptance than with racial reality.

[Dachsie]

I take the good info from people I do not wholly agree with. I pray that you develop a set of ideas that are true and that will cause you to live by those true ideas and get to heaven.

[Ponce]

A red car stopped across from my property and I went to see who was it.........this guy was taking picture of my "NO USRael" sign and he walked up to me and he said "I am from Poland and we hate those people, thank you for putting up that sign" :)

V

[crimethink]

I pray that you develop a set of ideas that are true and that will cause you to live by those true ideas and get to heaven.

Faith in the Messiah Jesus Christ gets one to Heaven. Nothing one believes or does in itself gets one to Heaven.

[Dachsie]

Nothing one believes or does in itself gets one to Heaven.

I agree with you. I'm not sola fide either.

I can see you have some very different ideas about following Jesus than I do. So I won;t try to evangelize you but I can pray that you check some of your ideas.

[crimethink]

I agree with you. I'm not sola fide either.

I can see you have some very different ideas about following Jesus than I do. So I won;t try to evangelize you but I can pray that you check some of your ideas.

It seems you are assuming to know my beliefs apart from the little I have written in this thread. Would you care to elaborate on what you believe I believe? If I am in error, I wish to be out of error.

[Dachsie]

I say God bless you for wanting truth. If you seek it, it will come.

Here is the passage that brought forth several questions in my mind.


However, it is perfectly obvious that the varied races of man are not of the same race or maybe even same species.

Ken Ham argues in favor of the New World Order "one world, one race" myth. That is not Biblical. God warned us at the Tower that we should not attempt such nonsense. And the peoples gathered around the Tower of Babel were all White. He is more concerned with social acceptance than with racial reality.

Maybe see what you can find Jesus said about "race" and "white people" in the New Testament. Also you might do a search on "Catholic canonized African saints"

Here is a good article in case you believe in "faith alone" (sola fide). It is taken from a site and author that I do not fully agree with by any means, but it is good bible truth.

http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/catholic_faith_and_justification_by_faith_alone_re futed.php


“and the light shines on in the darkness and darkness could not overcome it.”

John 1:5

[Hypertiger]

At the most basic level there is zero difference between you all.

Your body is composed of trillions of animal cells which take more power than they give to sustain continued existence like all that is ignorant of Truth...There is no such thing as human being cells.

Or European cells or Jewish cells or Russian cells or American cells or British cells or Liberian cells or Japanese cells or Canadian cells.

There are jail cells which your minds have been locked into.

[Ponce]

The closer that Ebolas get, more new Christians that I will see........I see that you have learned nothing from the past for in the past is the future......they both travel hand in hand along the same path, only thing is.....on who's shoulder are you traveling on?

V

[Hypertiger]

All belief is religious.

All that are ignorant of Truth believe they know Truth.

When you first became aware of the Universe...you had the entire Universe forcing you to believe the Universe was Truth...

You all did...when you were created out of thin air within the Universe...let there be light...followed by the big bang or thunder of the shockwave or sonic boom.

Of course you do not remember this...no one does...It is beyond the event horizon you can not see past when you look back as far as you can.

[Hypertiger]

If you exist in the USA...connected to the globalist master system...there are billions of poor unfortunate enslaved souls below you within the Satanic hierarchy you are standing on to hold you up in the position you occupy within the satanic hierarchy.

You all are going to pay for choosing to worship ignorance as bliss.

The Universe is perfectly fair, All and everything in the Universe is supplied with what all and everything in the Universe deserves, and there is no hope.

I have spent my entire life working hard to supply power to the demand for power by the cherished delusion you worked hard to get to where you are right now.

Satan or the lie you believe is Truth taught you all everything you know about GOD or Truth.

The problem is the supply of power is finite while the demand of the cherished delusion or lie you all worship as truth and have fallen in love with is infinite.

[Horn]

I could argue anyone of you egoic avatar types, but I won't.

Thankfully there is More to learn that lies ahead of us.

[Cebu_4_2]

Well this went to fuck too fast.

[crimethink]

Maybe see what you can find Jesus said about "race" and "white people" in the New Testament.


The Bible is the story of a family and nation. The entirety of it is about "race." And we know from linguistic and historical facts and context that Adam, Abraham, and the Israelites were what are now known as "White" people with the same variety of hair & eye color one sees in Europe today.

Whether it's Adam's very name (colloquially, to blush), Noah's selection ("he was perfect in his generations," i.e., ancestry), the descriptions of varied Hebrews, or Christ's reference to someone even of the same "racial type" as He as a "dog," it's all there to read.

I propose that you unconsciously support Darwinistic theory: Darwinism is required to believe that the Black, Brown, and Yellow could be born from the White (Adam & Eve). Non-White races would have to "evolve" just as Darwin proposed, if all came from one set of parents.




Also you might do a search on "Catholic canonized African saints"


Living in/on Africa does not make one Negro. Any more than a cow living in a stable makes it a horse. In the days of old, the people of Northern Africa were Caucasian.




Here is a good article in case you believe in "faith alone" (sola fide). It is taken from a site and author that I do not fully agree with by any means, but it is good bible truth.

http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/catholic_faith_and_justification_by_faith_alone_re futed.php

Unless St. John (speaking for God) is lying, John 3 makes it clear that "faith alone" - in Jesus Christ - saves. Works occur from faith, but do not cause salvation.

[Hypertiger]

Faith in a lie believed to be Truth or GOD does not save.

the scriptures were banned for 1300 years...you have to be initiated into the brotherhood and learn Latin to be able to view them.

It was illegal for the uninitiated to have a bible.

Why?

Because the most worshipful knowledgeable masters at the top of the hierarchy rule the vulgar and profane ignorant slaves at the bottom of the hierarchy.

Who taught you all how to read write do math and how to think?

The master so that you could supply the demand of the master.

The progression of the absolute capitalist or master is.

persuasion force annihilation.

please supply the demand for what is wanted or else be annihilated.

You all are powered by GOD.

Satan is not...So Satan which is the demand for power has to figure out how to obtain the power from you.

Has to manipulate you without your knowledge into doing the bidding of Satan.

Or the Lord.

The Lord works in mysterious ways.

GOD does not.

GOD has no need for armies to defend GOD from Satan.

Satan needs armies to defend Satan from GOD.

Lies need armies to defend them from truth.

Truth is the supply of power.

Lies are the demand for power.

Think of Truth as a fire.

Too far away from Truth and lies freeze to death.

Too close to Truth and lies burn to death.

Temperature too low an the lie trying to become Truth freezes.

Temperature too high and the lie trying to become Truth burns.

Not too much power...Not to little power...but always greater than previously is what is required.

"The numbers 3 and 7 are considered both "perfect numbers" under Hebrew tradition."

360/5 = 72
365/5 = 73

360/365 = 0.986

0.986 x 100 = 98.6

"Different parts of the body have different temperatures. Rectal and vaginal measurements, or measurements taken directly inside the body cavity, are typically slightly higher than oral measurements, and oral measurements are somewhat higher than skin temperature. The commonly accepted average core body temperature (taken internally) is 98.6 °F"

Converting Fahrenheit to Celsius:

1) Take your number in Fahrenheit and subtract 32

2) Multiply the result of step 1 by 5.

3) Divide the result of step 2 by 9.

1) 98.6 - 32 = 66.6

2) 66.6 x 5= 333

3) 333/9= 37 C

F or Five.

Five in French is Cinq

37 x 1.8 = 66.6

or

37 x 18 = 666
37 x 9 =333

The masters of mathematics rule the slaves of mathematics.

The masters of certainty rule the slaves of uncertainty.

The knowledgeable employer/master/Lord/Leader at the top of the hierarchy or pyramid scheme does all the buying/hiring/or life giving and selling/firing or life taking.

The ignorant employee/slave/peasant at the bottom of the hierarchy or pyramid scheme follows along and speculates.

The Lord of lies believed to be Truth or GOD works in mysterious ways.

GOD or Truth does not.

The progression of the absolute capitalist or tyrant is.

Persuasion force annihilation.

Please supply the demand for what is wanted or else be annihilated.

GOD doe not want anything from anyone or anything.

Because GOD is the supply of power to the demand for power by all an everything in the Universe.

All and everything in the Universe is supplied with what all and everything in the Universe needs not what all and everything wants.

All an everything takes more power than it gives from all and everything in the universe to sustain the existence of all and everything in the Universe.

Because all and everything in the Universe is ignorant of Truth or GOD.

The path of least effort is followed by all and everything in the universe.

People can become knowledgeable of Truth and follow the path of most effort...and share power as equally as possible with all and everything in the Universe.

Those ignorant of truth take more power than they give from all and everything in the Universe to sustain existence.

The same as chopping down trees faster than they regrow to power their continued existence.

When the trees run out at the logical conclusion...eternal death is the result.

Those that are knowledgeable or Truth share power as equally as possible with all an everything in the Universe to sustain their existence.

The same as chopping down trees as fast as or slower than they regrow to power their continued existence.

Since the trees never run out...there is no logical conclusion and eternal life is the result.

The two trees in the garden of Eden.

The tree of Reason or eternal death

The tree of Logic or eternal life.

Adam and Eve were going to die before the Lord of lies masquerading as Truth or GOD deceived them into thinking the penalty for eating the forbidden fruit of reason was death.

Of course the fruit from the tree of logic was hidden from you.

Where?

Take a byte from the hidden fruit of logic from the tree of life and gain awareness of 1 and 0.

All lies are powered by Truth.

Lies = nothing that wants to be something = demand for power.

Truth = something that needs to be something = supply of power.

Why would Males fall in love with the lie promoted as Truth by the Lord of lies or Satan masquerading as GOD or Truth that Eve or female made the mistake that ruined everything?

Why would males fall in love with the lie or cherish the delusion they are masters and females are slaves to be used an abused how the master sees fit?

[aeondaze]

The Bible is the story of a family and nation. The entirety of it is about "race." And we know from linguistic and historical facts and context that Adam, Abraham, and the Israelites were what are now known as "White" people with the same variety of hair & eye color one sees in Europe today.

Does it? Please show me where the 'linguistic' and 'historical' evidence points to the Israelites being 'white'.

I contend that the ancient Israelites were are predominant mixture of J1 and J2 Y Haplotypes which makes them similar in complexion to semitic Palestinians and Lebanese, which is NOT 'white' by your interpretation. Besides, why does it matter if they were white or not?


Whether it's Adam's very name (colloquially, to blush), Noah's selection ("he was perfect in his generations," i.e., ancestry), the descriptions of varied Hebrews, or Christ's reference to someone even of the same "racial type" as He as a "dog," it's all there to read.

The word 'Adam' has its roots in the semitic (Hebrew) word 'Adama' which means 'earth'. So the colloquiol 'to blush' is an extension of its orginal meaning.


I propose that you unconsciously support Darwinistic theory: Darwinism is required to believe that the Black, Brown, and Yellow could be born from the White (Adam & Eve). Non-White races would have to "evolve" just as Darwin proposed, if all came from one set of parents.

No propositions needed, I support Darwins theory. Unfortunately your mitochondrial DNA is evidence that your great^350 grandmother came out of Africa 200,000 to 150,000 years ago. Your own DNA is conspiring against your belief system.


Living in/on Africa does not make one Negro. Any more than a cow living in a stable makes it a horse. In the days of old, the people of Northern Africa were Caucasian.

An illogical fallacy. The VAST majority of people living in Africa ARE in fact what is termed Africans and have ancestry that traces itself back to that region. Just because a cow lives in a stable does not mean that all the animals within the stable are cows.

Trying to mix the ancient texts that make up the Bible to support some racial theory is doomed to failure.

A better idea would be to gather factual evidence from all fields and synthesise a more plausible explanation that matches the established facts. Your problem maybe that you refuse to beleive anything other than the Bible.

By the way, welcome :)

[7th trump]

Does it? Please show me where the 'linguistic' and 'historical' evidence points to the Israelites being 'white'.

I contend that the ancient Israelites were are predominant mixture of J1 and J2 Y Haplotypes which makes them similar in complexion to semitic Palestinians and Lebanese, which is NOT 'white' by your interpretation. Besides, why does it matter if they were white or not?



The word 'Adam' has its roots in the semitic (Hebrew) word 'Adama' which means 'earth'. So the colloquiol 'to blush' is an extension of its orginal meaning.



No propositions needed, I support Darwins theory. Unfortunately your mitochondrial DNA is evidence that your great^350 grandmother came out of Africa 200,000 to 150,000 years ago. Your own DNA is conspiring against your belief system.



An illogical fallacy. The VAST majority of people living in Africa ARE in fact what is termed Africans and have ancestry that traces itself back to that region. Just because a cow lives in a stable does not mean that all the animals within the stable are cows.

Trying to mix the ancient texts that make up the Bible to support some racial theory is doomed to failure.

A better idea would be to gather factual evidence from all fields and synthesise a more plausible explanation that matches the established facts. Your problem maybe that you refuse to beleive anything other than the Bible.

By the way, welcome :)
There was a day where all the races were created (white (non Caucasian), yellow, brown, red and black) and then God formed yet one more raced that Christ would come through...the white Caucasian on the day after God rested.
Historical evidence agrees that the colored races are roughly a 1000 years older than the white race which 1000 years is one day with God....that day was when he rested, the 7th day...and on the 8th day He created what is known today as Caucasians.
All the races were created on the sixth day...but the race Christ would come through was on the 8th day.
This Caucasian race (8th day creation) is also the same race these synagogues of satan, the fake jews, come from as it was Cain, the brother of Able, who murdered first and Christ addressed these "kenites" (some call them Zionists) having satan as their father.
These fake chosen look identical to the Caucasian race as they are brotherly related (Cain and Able)...you cant tell them apart and thus why God said to leave them (the tares) alone as to NOT destroy the wheat (the Israelites) in any attempt to remove them.....he said let the angels precisely remove the tares from the wheat upon Christs return.

The Bible isn't hard to understand if the confused morons who think they know just shut their mouths and leave it to the those who seek Gods wisdom.]God doesn't give out His secrets to just any Tom, Dick and Harry which is about 99 percent of you people here on this forum.

[Dachsie]

I give up.

I like reasoning to be served with faith. The Great Enlightenment period is what brought us "reason alone" and is coincidentally what brought us the French Revolution [to kill Catholic Christianity] and Protestant Revolution. The U.S. Constitution is based on Enlightenment principles of John Locke and Thomas Hobbes - both guys had it wrong, but had it wrong it different ways.

Man is not "bascially good." Man is fallen and flawed and needs grace and right behavior to struggle against his nature.

The Englightenment, reason alone, is naturalism. One of the greatest champions of Englightenment bad thinking is Spinoza, a Jewish man.

Religion being the same is much stronger than skin color being the same as far as a group of people living in proximity getting along well. It often happens that people of the same skin color have the same religion, but not always.

All human beings who have ever lived on this earth are descended from Adam and Eve. That, by the way the latest science shows it - it is called "mitochondrial Eve."

As far as Crimethink's soul, I will just continue to pray for him but will no longer try to reason with him.

[Horn]

There was a day where all the races were created (white (non Caucasian), yellow, brown, red and black) and then God formed yet one more raced that Christ would come through...the white Caucasian on the day after God rested.

The Caucasians could only Cross-breed into European white women after Sasanian's stole all their women.

[Hypertiger]

Light skins come from where the sun does not shine while dark skins come from where the sun does shine.

Dark skins generally go to where its cold and freeze to death while light skins generally go to where its hot and burn to death.

I'm surrounded by people that were not born here...They complain that summer is not long enough or that it did not show up...Then when winter shows up...I watch them suffer.

Because where I live it can reach 104 F/40 C in the summer and - 40 F/-40 C in the winter.

You all are absolute mental and physical weaklings.

In winter the light skins have run to the sun of GOD to escape the wrath of the black hole of the Universe trying to eat them.

In summer the light skins have to jump into the shade or dark matter of shadow to escape the wrath of the sun of GOD.

the peak of summer is the absolute 1 point where the sun of GOD rules while winter is the absolute 0 point where the black hole of the universe rules.

The equator is the absolute 1 point where the sun of GOD rules supreme while the two poles are absolute 0 points were the black hole of the Universe or cold death pours in clawing its way eating hot life to power its attempt to get to the sun of GOD.

If you think scribbles on a page supply you with instructions as to how to operate...then you are no better than the mindless computer you are using that follows a program to the logical conclusion over an over again.

stand back from your computer and look at it.

You can not see it constantly trapped in an endless speculation loop waiting for you to supply it's demand for input to then supply your demand for output.

Your computer is master and you are it's slave...You supply it with what it constantly wants so it can then supply you with what you constantly want.

The master is a net consumer of power = light bulb.

The slave is a net producer of power = power plant.

But master and slave is negative.

So master and slave are fed into the just think/embrace positive (fantasy/lie believed to be Truth/Satan) ignore/reject negative (reality/truth/GOD) algorithm.

Master which is negative is polarity shifted into server which is positive while slave which is negative is polarity shifted into client which is positive.

Turning the master slave relationship into the client server model.

You all are autonomous absolute capitalist drones...that have over the past 5 decades been tranceformed into electronic digital computerized game players.

I created Hypertiger in 1988...and helped build the electronic digital computerized version of the absolute capitalist hierarchical food powered make work enterprise that you all have been programed to call civilization.

"Domestication (from Latin domesticus: "of the home") is the process whereby a population of living organisms is changed at the genetic level, through generations of selective breeding, to accentuate traits that ultimately benefit the interests of humans. A usual by-product of domestication is the creation of a dependency in the domesticated organisms, so that they lose their ability to live in the wild"

You all are not human beings...Your bodies are composed of trillions of animal cells...that take more power than they give to sustain their existence...or are absolute capitalistic.

Ignorant of Truth...Just like the computer you are using...

A human being is an ideal that requires effort in order to strive to attain and maintain.

You were not a human being at the instant of conception...or at birth...and what you see when you look into a mirror is not a human being.

The belief you are a Human being is just a reasonable assumption...a lie you believe is truth.

A lie you believe is Truth that you have fallen in love with which then becomes a cherished delusion.

You all will fight to the death to protect what you cherish from harm.

You all are programed to commit suicide fighting to the death to remain asleep (Ignorant of truth) to continue to enjoy the daydream (cherished delusion) you are awake (knowledgeable of Truth)

Nationalist absolute capitalist drones within a national absolute capitalist hierarchical food powered make work enterprise which is a sub or slave hierarchy ruled by the globalist master system.

Or Nationalist Antisocialists.

You all are absolute slaves to your emotions which are the invisible strings or servants pulled by the globalist master mind to manipulate the nationalist slave minds without their knowledge into doing the bidding of the globalist master mind.

The globalist master minds dreamed up the lines on the map...The nationalist slave minds were employed without their knowledge to draw them and fight to the death to maintain the existence of what does not exist except in the minds of the drones in the hive.

All the that you supply to me is the visible chaos/noise or fantasy promoted as reality that hides the invisible order/signal of reality obscured behind it all.

The invisible order of reality or the logical basic system operating in the background that powers the visible chaos of the reasonable graphical user interface or fantasy believed to be reality in the foreground.

The visible chaos or noise you supply to be is a wave...1010101010101010101...positive negative positive negative...up down up down...like the buzz of the drones in the absolute capitalist hierarchical food powered make work busy bee hive.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVz11jmG3ac

here on the internet it is hard to tell you what is happening where you are.

Standing right next to you it becomes easy...Because I manipulate the fabric and space and time all around me and it is then easy to inform you of what is happening and going to be happening.

In here I can not help you lift something heavy...Standing right next to you it becomes easy to help you...or hinder you.

Right next to you it becomes easy to fulfil your death wish if you demand it and refuse to take NO for an answer.

There is escape and evasion from lies that want to be truth.

Search and destroy lies that want to become truth

Right next to you eliminates the search portion of the hyperdimensional calculation.

Of course you all claim that you are not slaves or servants of Satan...Until I become visible...Then you all run in terror from reality into the loving embrace of fantasy and beg Satan or the master lie you worship as Truth to protect you from me.

I annihilate lies and shatter delusions...My immune system does this.

Lies which are negative are death that want to become truth which is positive or life.

I'm the supply of power to the demand for power.

I can choose to supply lies with what they need or YES in order to supply the demand of lies or death what they want or life liberty and happiness.

or

I can choose to supply lies with what they need or NO in order to supply the demand of lies or death with what lies do not want or death tyranny and misery.

You can only obtain what you want (yield) from me when what you need an want are the same.

I will always decide whether lies live or die...You will not.

I always take responsibility for my choices...Or suffer the consequences of my choices...you all are constantly searching for an escape from the consequences of your choice to worship ignorance or Satan as bliss or GOD.

I have to pretend to worship ignorance or all of you devout worshipers of ignorance will try to torture and ultimately kill me to prove that might makes right...I will then be forced to supply the demands of your death wishes...or supply the proof that might does make right by supplying your demands for victory or YES with NO or defeat.

[crimethink]

Does it? Please show me where the 'linguistic' and 'historical' evidence points to the Israelites being 'white'.

I contend that the ancient Israelites were are predominant mixture of J1 and J2 Y Haplotypes which makes them similar in complexion to semitic Palestinians and Lebanese, which is NOT 'white' by your interpretation. Besides, why does it matter if they were white or not?


Why do you presume to know what I believe is white or not?

I can tell you about the linguistic and historical evidence, but I can neither make you understand nor accept it.

You believe the ancient Israelites looked like modern Lebanese? We agree! An example:

https://image.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/4/6/1365271537613/tammam-salam-lebanon-prim-008.jpg

The Prime Minister of Lebanon




The word 'Adam' has its roots in the semitic (Hebrew) word 'Adama' which means 'earth'. So the colloquiol 'to blush' is an extension of its orginal meaning.


Can we agree that the root of Adam's name does not mean black?




No propositions needed, I support Darwins theory. Unfortunately your mitochondrial DNA is evidence that your great^350 grandmother came out of Africa 200,000 to 150,000 years ago. Your own DNA is conspiring against your belief system.


Your faith-based "science" cannot "prove" anything, since no one has a time-machine. You believe that we "evolved" from non-human primates. I believe we were created very much as we are now. Both belief.




An illogical fallacy. The VAST majority of people living in Africa ARE in fact what is termed Africans and have ancestry that traces itself back to that region. Just because a cow lives in a stable does not mean that all the animals within the stable are cows.


We know from anthropology that Africa north of the Sahara and most of northeast Africa was wholly "Caucasian" in the distant past, including Egypt and even Ethiopia.




Trying to mix the ancient texts that make up the Bible to support some racial theory is doomed to failure.


I do not support "theories." I assess the available facts, and think accordingly.




A better idea would be to gather factual evidence from all fields and synthesise a more plausible explanation that matches the established facts. Your problem maybe that you refuse to beleive anything other than the Bible.


Show me "evolution" as you contend happened. Demonstrate your belief beyond "scientific consensus" (opinion).




By the way, welcome :)

I would say thank you, but I have received no wisdom from you.

[crimethink]

Man is not "bascially good." Man is fallen and flawed and needs grace and right behavior to struggle against his nature.


We agree!




The Englightenment, reason alone, is naturalism. One of the greatest champions of Englightenment bad thinking is Spinoza, a Jewish man.


Reason is a gift from God. But reason can become a "god" of its own when it is worshiped to the exclusion of intuition. The "Sages" of the Talmud had complete faith in their own "wisdom," and it is no surprise that Jews have deified reason.




Religion being the same is much stronger than skin color being the same as far as a group of people living in proximity getting along well. It often happens that people of the same skin color have the same religion, but not always.


"Skin color" is a Red Herring, no pun intended. Have you ever seen an albino Negro? It makes the "we're only different because of skin color" concept disappear instantly.




All human beings who have ever lived on this earth are descended from Adam and Eve.


Why do you have faith this is true? Do you have "proof" of this? Can you explain, without Darwinistic evolution, how parents of "Caucasian" type can bring forth Negroes, Aborigines, and even Chinese?




That, by the way the latest science shows it - it is called "mitochondrial Eve."


Do you realize that mtDNA is faith-based "science"? It cannot be proven, so it is not science. Why do you accept the evolutionist's technique while rejecting their analysis of human origins?




As far as Crimethink's soul, I will just continue to pray for him but will no longer try to reason with him.

My soul? Is salvation dependent upon concurrence with the New World Order concept of "one race - the human race"? "One race" is not Biblical. Neither is it Biblical to say that one's salvation requires belief in ephemeral doctrines. No, the Bible says only one belief is required for salvation: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." I believe that, God is not a liar, and I am blessed, as anyone can be.

[7th trump]

The Caucasians could only Cross-breed into European white women after Sasanian's stole all their women.

A perfect example of someone who doesn't read the Bible and just takes something read on the internet and mixes it with the truth.
Biblical history says ten of the 12 tribes went over the Caucasus mountains.
The Caucasus mountains are the northern part of the then sasanian territory...no where is it recorded that any of the 10 tribes were captured and the women stolen by these sasanians.
Complete bullshit from someone of ignorance.

You're better off staying with coloring books....keep it inside the lines ...ok!

[Horn]

A brief revival of these doctrines took place in Bohemia after 1781, owing to the edict of toleration issued by Emperor Joseph II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_II,_Holy_Roman_Emperor). The Austrian government suppressed the last remnants of the Neo-Adamites in Bohemia by force in 1849.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adamites

[aeondaze]

Why do you presume to know what I believe is white or not?
I can tell you about the linguistic and historical evidence, but I can neither make you understand nor accept it.

Unfortunately liguistic evidence IS scientific based. Another example of where neophytes pick and choose which parts of scientific endeavour to either accept or reject. Science doen't work that way!


You believe the ancient Israelites looked like modern Lebanese? We agree!

One example doesn't make for a very good argument, there has been plenty of admixture in the ME for millenia, that doesn't mean the Israelites were 'white'


Can we agree that the root of Adam's name does not mean black?

It doesn't mean 'white' either.


Your faith-based "science" cannot "prove" anything, since no one has a time-machine. You believe that we "evolved" from non-human primates. I believe we were created very much as we are now. Both belief.

Unfortunately scientific belief is rooted in evidence, while religious faith is not.


We know from anthropology that Africa north of the Sahara and most of northeast Africa was wholly "Caucasian" in the distant past, including Egypt and even Ethiopia.

No. we know that in the distant past this area was a melting pot of many different racial types, predominantly E, E1, J1 and J2, some R1b and R1a, not to mention A/B, F, K, G and I.


I do not support "theories." I assess the available facts, and think accordingly.

Show me "evolution" as you contend happened. Demonstrate your belief beyond "scientific consensus" (opinion).

I cannot make the blind see, particularly when one wilfully conflates verifiable facts with religious dogma.


I would say thank you, but I have received no wisdom from you.

How gracious of you. Your welcome!:D

[crimethink]

How gracious of you. Your welcome!:D

I choose to not argue with you. No good fruit would be forthcoming. What I will say, is this: "anti-racist" is a codeword for anti-white.

[7th trump]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adamites

The foolish are consistent and adamant at being foolish. Still doesn't conclude your premise as fact.
I guess some fools just don't like the truth and make their own truth up.

[Ponce]

"When the truth comes into the light, the lies will hide in the dark"... Ponce.............remember that it takes more words to tell a lie than to tell the truth.

V