Now with added paint thinner to give your kiddies the start they need each day.......

[Serpo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCW5Nc9fyWgThe FDA approves of paint thinner as ingredient for children's cereals (http://www.naturalcuresnotmedicine.com/fda-approved-paint-thinner-kids-cereals-2/)
Naturalcuresnotmedicine.com (http://www.naturalcuresnotmedicine.com/fda-approved-paint-thinner-kids-cereals-2/)
Mon, 22 Sep 2014 18:26 CEST
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The challenge to be informed about what we are eating grows ever more complex. Many people trust Trader Joe's as one of the smaller grocery store chains offering higher quality foods without unnecessary additives, and other harmful ingredients that can cause cancer, neurological damage, or developmental delays. But one mom recently found trisodium phosphate (http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/730380), an industrial strength paint thinner in her children's Trader Joe's breakfast cereal, and she is wondering what it is doing there. (The ingredient is found in other popular cereals as well).

Trisodium phosphate, otherwise known as trisodium orthophosphate, sodium phosphate, or TSP, is well known by (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCW5Nc9fyWg) construction workers, DIYers (http://www.diychatroom.com/f4/paint-thinner-mineral-spirits-tsp-there-difference-painting-57891/), and developers, but not to most parents shopping for their morning meal. It is an inorganic phosphate which can be detrimental to our health. It is often used in place of mineral spirits to remove paint!

Just some of the minor problems with eating TSP include:
- The reduction of bone density due to mineral leeching

- Calcification of the kidneys

- Serious irritation of gastric mucosa

- Abdominal burning

- Shock Pesticideinfo.org says that this substance should be avoided at all cost (http://www.pesticideinfo.org/Detail_Chemical.jsp?Rec_Id=PC34419#Symptoms). Just as Subway removed a harmful additive (http://naturalsociety.com/subway-removing-harmful-bread-additive-due-blogger-petition-pressure/) to their breads recently due to a blogger's pressure and subsequent petition, signed by thousands, this substance needs to be removed from all food, or indigestible items - especially cereals or baby toothpaste that children consume.

You can let your local grocery stores know that they shouldn't carry products which contain TSP. You can boycott items yourself that contain it, or you can tell the FDA (http://www.fda.gov/aboutfda/contactfda/default.htm) just what you think of their 'safe' classification of this obvious toxin. Consumers have a right to non-toxic foods, and TSP definitely doesn't belong in a bowl of your kid's cereal.

A video posted to YouTube Monday shows Las Vegas residents reacting to the news that their favorite cereals contain trisodium phosphate, more commonly referred to as paint thinner.







http://www.sott.net/article/286205-The-FDA-approves-of-paint-thinner-as-ingredient-for-childrens-cereals

[crimethink]

I'm far more concerned with the Dihydrogen Monoxide content. Dihydrogen Monoxide kills thousands of people each month.

[palani]

http://greenhouse.ucdavis.edu/pest/fmsds/Trisodium%20phosphate.pdf

Above url to the Canadian MSDS.

As you can tell the first aid measure for ingestion is to drink milk. As most breakfast cereal is eaten with milk ... no harm no foul.

Besides ... an LD50 of 7,400 mg/kg .. for a 50 kg kid ... would require 13 oz of pure TSP ... and that would only kill HALF the kids this dosage is fed to.

[midnight rambler]

TSP is not paint thinner, it's a harsh detergent. No painter would ever use TSP to thin any kind of paint.

[Serpo]

http://greenhouse.ucdavis.edu/pest/fmsds/Trisodium%20phosphate.pdf

Above url to the Canadian MSDS.

As you can tell the first aid measure for ingestion is to drink milk. As most breakfast cereal is eaten with milk ... no harm no foul.

Besides ... an LD50 of 7,400 mg/kg .. for a 50 kg kid ... would require 13 oz of pure TSP ... and that would only kill HALF the kids this dosage is fed to.

Milk coats stomach to prevent absorption........so you are saying as long as eaten with milk its OK ?

[palani]

Milk coats stomach to prevent absorption........so you are saying as long as eaten with milk its OK ?

I am not saying it. The MSDS says it. TSP is highly alkaline. Milk is lactic acid. Suppose one neutralizes the other?

[Neuro]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCW5Nc9fyWgThe FDA approves of paint thinner as ingredient for children's cereals (http://www.naturalcuresnotmedicine.com/fda-approved-paint-thinner-kids-cereals-2/)


Naturalcuresnotmedicine.com (http://www.naturalcuresnotmedicine.com/fda-approved-paint-thinner-kids-cereals-2/)
Mon, 22 Sep 2014 18:26 CEST
http://www.sott.net/images/print_article.png (http://www.sott.net/article/286205-The-FDA-approves-of-paint-thinner-as-ingredient-for-childrens-cereals#)

http://www.sott.net/image/s10/207617/large/shutterstock_170112950.jpg (http://www.sott.net/image/s10/207617/full/shutterstock_170112950.jpg)
The challenge to be informed about what we are eating grows ever more complex. Many people trust Trader Joe's as one of the smaller grocery store chains offering higher quality foods without unnecessary additives, and other harmful ingredients that can cause cancer, neurological damage, or developmental delays. But one mom recently found trisodium phosphate (http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/730380), an industrial strength paint thinner in her children's Trader Joe's breakfast cereal, and she is wondering what it is doing there. (The ingredient is found in other popular cereals as well).

Trisodium phosphate, otherwise known as trisodium orthophosphate, sodium phosphate, or TSP, is well known by (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCW5Nc9fyWg) construction workers, DIYers (http://www.diychatroom.com/f4/paint-thinner-mineral-spirits-tsp-there-difference-painting-57891/), and developers, but not to most parents shopping for their morning meal. It is an inorganic phosphate which can be detrimental to our health. It is often used in place of mineral spirits to remove paint!

Just some of the minor problems with eating TSP include:
- The reduction of bone density due to mineral leeching

- Calcification of the kidneys

- Serious irritation of gastric mucosa

- Abdominal burning

- Shock
Pesticideinfo.org says that this substance should be avoided at all cost (http://www.pesticideinfo.org/Detail_Chemical.jsp?Rec_Id=PC34419#Symptoms). Just as Subway removed a harmful additive (http://naturalsociety.com/subway-removing-harmful-bread-additive-due-blogger-petition-pressure/) to their breads recently due to a blogger's pressure and subsequent petition, signed by thousands, this substance needs to be removed from all food, or indigestible items - especially cereals or baby toothpaste that children consume.

You can let your local grocery stores know that they shouldn't carry products which contain TSP. You can boycott items yourself that contain it, or you can tell the FDA (http://www.fda.gov/aboutfda/contactfda/default.htm) just what you think of their 'safe' classification of this obvious toxin. Consumers have a right to non-toxic foods, and TSP definitely doesn't belong in a bowl of your kid's cereal.

A video posted to YouTube Monday shows Las Vegas residents reacting to the news that their favorite cereals contain trisodium phosphate, more commonly referred to as paint thinner.







http://www.sott.net/article/286205-The-FDA-approves-of-paint-thinner-as-ingredient-for-childrens-cereals
How any parent could possibly imagine feeding their children something like that would be healthy to their children is really beyond me!

[crimethink]

TSP is not paint thinner, it's a harsh detergent. No painter would ever use TSP to thin any kind of paint.

Why let facts get in the way of a nonsense story?

[osoab]

TSP is not paint thinner, it's a harsh detergent. No painter would ever use TSP to thin any kind of paint.

scratch that website as relevant.

[Glass]

so when someone is laying bricks, clay building bricks they will use a mortar to bed the bricks with. To improve the speed of brick laying an additive is included in the mortar which is called a plasticiser/pasticizer. Basically it is a detergent that is added to the mortar mix to make it easier to work. It is slightly more fluid making it easier to scoop up and then spread. The detergent breaks down some of the fats that are in the sand used in brick laying. Brick layers sand is supposed to be fairly clean but it still contains a fair amount of fat in it.

So you think that paint thinners/emulsifiers are maybe breaking down the fat in the cereal to make it more soluble? Not sure if the objective is to make itr more soluble so more of it passes and the eater will not retain as much or is it to make the fat more soluble so the eater absorbs more fat?

Its clearly in there to break down the fats.

I remember they bought out that fat/cooking oil that already had plasticizer in it so it went straight through without touching the sides

[Serpo]

Why let facts get in the way of a nonsense story?

nonsense story?

[crimethink]

nonsense story?

It's not paint thinner, and, the food coloring is actually more dangerous than the "paint thinner."

[aeondaze]

Why let facts get in the way of a nonsense story?

Everything that Palani said about TSP is right and so is the OP's assertion. Its used as a buffer and a binder in enamel paints, it may also effect the paints rheological properties. So in essence its not a nonsense story. However one would think from reading the article that its an aromatic compound by its misleading use of the term 'thinners' which conotates carcinogenic organic compounds like toluene.

As someone stated previously, if you're feeding your kids this shit in the morning you're basicaly being a neglectful parent IMHO, this stuff is horendous, don't get me wrong every kid at some stage wants this guff. An occasional serving is not going to kill them, but on a regular basis thats a comepltely different story.

Breakfast for my kids: Oats, wheatgerm, lecithin, nuts, fruit and an egg if they're still hungry. Makes me feel so much better about being a parent.

[crimethink]

Everything that Palani said about TSP is right and so is the OP's assertion. Its used as a buffer and a binder in enamel paints, it may also effect the paints rheological properties. So in essence its not a nonsense story. However one would think from reading the article that its an aromatic compound by its misleading use of the term 'thinners' which conotates carcinogenic organic compounds like toluene.


The use of the term "paint thinner" was deliberate - to mislead readers. These nonsense sites do that - a lot. As a lie is an intention to deceive, the writer - in using the term "paint thinner" - is a liar.

As for being an ingredient in paint, sure. So is water. Like I said, the food coloring is more toxic than the "paint thinner."




As someone stated previously, if you're feeding your kids this shit in the morning you're basicaly being a neglectful parent IMHO, this stuff is horendous, don't get me wrong every kid at some stage wants this guff. An occasional serving is not going to kill them, but on a regular basis thats a comepltely different story.


Unfortunately, everything is toxic. All a matter of degree. "Neglectful parents"? That's a pretty bold accusation.




Makes me feel so much better about being a parent.

Because how a parent feels is what's important.

[aeondaze]

CT, do you always have to be a dickhead? Splitting hairs and continually remonstrasting others.

Yes, how I feel as a parent is important to me. All decent parents need to feel secure in what they're doing with their children, this is what separates out the clowns from the attentive parents. If you weren't concerned about your parenting then you're probably predisposed to being the sort of parent most of us here loathe.

I take it you don't have kids.

If you did you'd know exactly what I mean...:rolleyes:

[crimethink]

Trisodium Phosphate LD50: 7400 mg/Kg

FD&C Red #3 (Erythrosine) LD50: 1840 mg/Kg

www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9923927


But "paint thinner" sounds a lot more dangerous than food coloring, right?

[crimethink]

CT, do you always have to be a dickhead?


LOL

Name-calling is such a powerful argument in rebuttal.




Splitting hairs and continually remonstrasting others.


You have no problem with deceit?




Yes, how I feel as a parent is important to me. All decent parents need to feel secure in what they're doing with their children, this is what separates out the clowns from the attentive parents. If you weren't concerned about your parenting then you're probably predisposed to being the sort of parent most of us here loathe.

I take it you don't have kids.

If you did you'd know exactly what I mean...:rolleyes:

I have three; healthy, employed, and well-loved by all they know.

I do the right thing, regardless of how it "makes me feel."

[osoab]

http://cloudfront.zoro.com/product/full/10L522_AS01.JPG

[aeondaze]

Trisodium Phosphate LD50: 7400 mg/Kg

FD&C Red #3 (Erythrosine) LD50: 1264 mg/Kg

www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9923927

But "paint thinner" sounds a lot more dangerous than food coloring, right?

Look at the two compounds. One is a simple inorganic molecule....

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/64/Trisodium_phosphate.png/120px-Trisodium_phosphate.png

the other an organic monstrosity used VERY sparingly...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/91/Erythrosine.svg/230px-Erythrosine.svg.png

Ofcourse this is the case, what point are you trying to make?

[aeondaze]

I do the right thing, regardless of how it "makes me feel."

Bullshit, plain and simple :)

[crimethink]

Look at the two compounds. One is a simple inorganic molecule....

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/64/Trisodium_phosphate.png/120px-Trisodium_phosphate.png

the other an organic mostrousity used VERY sparingly...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/91/Erythrosine.svg/230px-Erythrosine.svg.png

Ofcourse this is the case, what point are you trying to make?

The FD&C Red #3 is four-times more deadly. Fact.

Silicon Dioxide is added to food, too, and is inorganic. But if it's inorganic, it's dangerous, right?

[crimethink]

Bullshit, plain and simple :)

Is that your offspring in your avatar? It would explain a great deal.

[crimethink]

http://cloudfront.zoro.com/product/full/10L522_AS01.JPG

http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000M1gZfMpXQIE/s/860/860/Fphoto-54200206A-2RM.jpg

[aeondaze]

Is that your offspring in your avatar? It would explain a great deal.

Ouch, that realy hurt! lol:D

[crimethink]

Ouch, that realy hurt! lol:D

I was just curious. The Aborigine has the lowest average IQ on the planet.

[still afloat]

For a short time after they removed phosphorus from dishwasher detergent the dishes looked worse after washing than before , left a cloudy film on glasses and such. I added TSP to the mix and came out clean clear and shiny every time. They now have added something else to the detergent which makes it not needed any more. Don't mind it as a booster for washing dishes but no interest in eating it.

[FreeEnergy]

Don't ever feed your kids crap from Cereal boxes.

Best even cereal is home-made, it is trivial to make. My w. makes it all the time:

1. Walnuts
2. Sunflower seeds, unsalted
3. Oats
4. Dried cranberries
5. Honey.
That's the bulk, some other stuff added as you like it.

Spread some honey on oats, crushed walnuts , seeds
Cook 10-15 minutes in oven
Pull out, add cranberries , cook for another 10-15 mins.
Done.

No sugar, no corn syrup. No GMO. No chemical crap. To eat, add raw or whole milk.

[FreeEnergy]

http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000M1gZfMpXQIE/s/860/860/Fphoto-54200206A-2RM.jpg

Bad example. Baking soda is good for you. Trisodium phosphate is forbidden from use even as detergent in many countries (US doesn't count here, even fluoride is ok which is mad). Food additive E339 is not TCP, it is a different formula , monosodium phosphate.

[crimethink]

Bad example. Baking soda is good for you. Trisodium phosphate is forbidden from use even as detergent in many countries (US doesn't count here, even fluoride is ok which is mad). Food additive E339 is not TCP, it is a different formula , monosodium phosphate.

My point was that the baking soda, completely harmless, nonetheless has "WARNINGS" on it.

In an ideal world, food additives not found in truly natural food would not be found in any food. It's not just America, either. I see Canadian food products with Benzoyl Peroxide in them. OK...

[Serpo]

I was just curious. The Aborigine has the lowest average IQ on the planet.

No we will leave that to you CT

So you want to degenerate the Australian Aborigine............feel free, go ahead

Listen everyone a high IQ is destroying the planet when you mix it with SINISTER INTENT

[Serpo]

http://catalog.wlimg.com/1/93783/full-images/hydrated-lime-powder-1062856.jpg


Breakfast come and get it...........

[crimethink]

No we will leave that to you CT

So you want to degenerate the Australian Aborigine............feel free, go ahead

Listen everyone a high IQ is destroying the planet when you mix it with SINISTER INTENT

I'm not sure I can "degenerate" the Aborigine any lower.

Mass stupidity and cowardice are how supposedly-intelligent evil doers wreck the world.

[crimethink]

http://catalog.wlimg.com/1/93783/full-images/hydrated-lime-powder-1062856.jpg


Breakfast come and get it...........

Does it require a straw to consume? I've no experience with such things. Doesn't it damage your nasal passages?

[Serpo]

I'm not sure I can "degenerate" the Aborigine any lower.

Mass stupidity and cowardice are how supposedly-intelligent evil doers wreck the world.

You are degenerating yourself

[crimethink]

You are degenerating yourself

I love you, Serpo! As a friend, of course! {**}