To all you fools who beleive the Muslims arent a threat....beheading hits home in OK

[midnight rambler]

You would have no problem with dynamiting the Kaaba Stone? Just an old meteorite, after all.

A meteorite which passes for an idol. lol

[Horn]

http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=6823&stc=1

[midnight rambler]

No, you don't. She might have been married away at a young age, but all these pedophile allegations does not have legs to stand on. They are created by the enemies of Islam.

She might have been young, but not as young as the "ogga bogga scary muslims did 911 ogga bogga" movement that you are a part of claim.

'Married' = 'one in the flesh' as in coitus.

[Neuro]

Coming from the authority that refuses to accept that his own bible prohibits the eating of swine. You wouldn't know the truth if it hit you in the head.
Most of your countrymen eat swine successfully Norweger, why is it such a problem to you?

[Norweger]

Most of your countrymen eat swine successfully Norweger, why is it such a problem to you?

It's not a problem. I was pointing out that spectrism doesn't even follow his own bible and that most so called Christians don't.

[crimethink]

No, you don't. She might have been married away at a young age, but all these pedophile allegations does not have legs to stand on. They are created by the enemies of Islam.

She might have been young, but not as young as the "ogga bogga scary muslims did 911 ogga bogga" movement that you are a part of claim.

Sexual intercourse with a girl aged nine is pedophilia. Own it. Your "prophet" was a pedophile.

[crimethink]

Except you wont find any verse in the Qur'an that legitimize that behavior.

Your "prophet" violated the Quran? He disobeyed Allah by having sex with a nine-year old girl?

[Norweger]

Sexual intercourse with a girl aged nine is pedophilia. Own it. Your "prophet" was a pedophile.

And from where did you get this information that she was 9?

[crimethink]

It's not a problem. I was pointing out that spectrism doesn't even follow his own bible and that most so called Christians don't.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?79336-To-all-you-fools-who-beleive-the-Muslims-arent-a-threat-beheading-hits-home-in-OK&p=729339&viewfull=1#post729339


Allow me to speculate in what motives some might have to fear Islam.

A person that loves his alcohol might be scared to not have access to it, a person that loves his swine might miss it, a usurer might fear having to do honest work.

[crimethink]

And from where did you get this information that she was 9?

How old was she?

[Norweger]

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?79336-To-all-you-fools-who-beleive-the-Muslims-arent-a-threat-beheading-hits-home-in-OK&p=729339&viewfull=1#post729339

Coming to the point soon?

[Norweger]

How old was she?

It's you who claim that she was 9 so its you who have the burden of proof.

[Horn]

This kind of persecution was never allowed when I had X-tians under my hoof.

[crimethink]

It's you who claim that she was 9 so its you who have the burden of proof.

A simple question: how old was she? You deny Muhammad was a pedophile. It's as easy as a double-digit answer.

[crimethink]

This kind of persecution was never allowed when I had X-tians under my hoof.

Revealing facts is "persecution"? That sounds like something a Talmud Jew would say.

[Norweger]

A simple question: how old was she? You deny Muhammad was a pedophile. It's as easy as a double-digit answer.

So you have no sources for your claims?

[Serpo]

Chill out guys ,lets met in the middle ...............

Question: "What is the Baha'i faith?"

Answer: The Baha'i faith is one of the newer world religions stemming originally from Shi'ite Islam in Persia (modern-day Iran). However, it has come to achieve a unique status of its own. The Baha'i faith has distinguished itself as a unique world religion because of its size (5 million members), its global scale (236 countries), its practical autonomy from its parent religion of Islam (there is little blurriness between the two), and for its doctrinal uniqueness, being monotheistic yet inclusive.

The Baha'i faith's earliest forerunner was Sayid Ali Muhammad who on May 23, 1844, declared himself the Bab ("Gate"), the eighth manifestation of God and first since Muhammad. Implicit to that statement was the denial of Muhammad as the last and greatest prophet and a denial together of the unique authority of the Koran. Islam did not take kindly to such thoughts. The Bab and his followers, called Babis, saw heavy persecution and were part of great bloodshed before the Bab was executed as a political prisoner just six years later in Tabríz, Ádhirbáyján, July 9, 1850. But before he died, the Bab spoke of a coming prophet, referred to as "He whom God will Manifest." On April 22, 1863, Mirza Husayn Ali, one of his followers, declared himself the fulfillment of that prophecy and the latest manifestation of God. He donned the title Baha'u'llah ("glory of God"). The Bab was therefore viewed as a "John the Baptist"-type of forerunner leading up to Baha'u'llah who is the more significant manifestation for this age. His followers are called Baha’is. The uniqueness of this budding Baha'i faith, as it has come to be called, becomes clear in the Baha'u'llah's declarations. Not only did he claim to be the latest prophet foreseen in Shi'ite Islam, and not only did he claim to be a manifestation of God, but he claimed to be the second coming of Christ, the promised Holy Spirit, the Day of God, the Maiytrea (from Buddhism), and the Krishna (from Hinduism). A kind of inclusivism is apparent from the early stages of the Baha'i faith.

No other manifestation is said to have come since Baha'u'llah, but his leadership was passed on by appointment. He designated a successor in his son Abbas Effendi (later, Abdu'l-Baha "slave of Baha"). While the successors could not speak inspired scripture from God, they could interpret scripture infallibly and were viewed as the maintenance of God's true word on earth. Abdu'l-Baha would appoint his grandson Shoghi Effendi as successor. Shoghi Effendi, however, died before appointing a successor. The gap was filled by an ingeniously organized governing institution called the Universal House of Justice which remains in power today as the governing body for the Baha'i World Faith. Today, the Baha'i faith exists as a world religion with yearly international conferences convening at the Universal House of Justice in Haifa, Israel.

The core doctrines of the Baha'i faith can be attractive in their simplicity:

1) Adoration of one God and the reconciliation of all major religions.
2) Appreciation of the diversity and morality of the human family and the elimination of all prejudice.
3) The establishment of world peace, equality of women and men, and universal education.
4) Cooperation between Science and Religion in the individual's search for truth.
To these may be added certain implicit beliefs and practices:
5) A Universal Auxillary Language.
6) Universal Weights and Measures.
7) God who is himself unknowable nevertheless reveals himself through manifestations.
8) These manifestations are a kind of progressive revelation.
9) No proselytizing (aggressive witnessing).
10) The study of different Scriptures besides simply Baha'i books.
11) Prayer and worship is obligatory and much of that according to specific instructions.

The Baha'i faith is quite sophisticated, and many of its followers today are educated, eloquent, eclectic, politically liberal, yet socially conservative (i.e., anti-abortion, pro-traditional family, etc.). Moreover, Baha’is are not only expected to understand their own uniquely Baha'i scriptures, but are also expected to study the scriptures of other world religions. Therefore, it is quite possible to encounter a Baha'i who is more educated on Christianity than is the average Christian. Furthermore, the Baha'i faith has a strong emphasis on education combined with certain liberal values such as gender egalitarianism, universal education, and harmony between science and religion.

Nonetheless, the Baha'i faith has many theological gaps and doctrinal inconsistencies. Compared to Christianity, its core teachings are only superficial in their commonality. The differences are deep and fundamental. The Baha'i faith is ornate, and a full critique would be encyclopedic. So, only a few observations are made below.

The Baha'i faith teaches that God is unknowable in His essence. Baha’is have the difficulty of explaining how they can have an elaborate theology about God yet assert that God is "unknowable." And it does not help to say that prophets and manifestations inform mankind about God because, if God is "unknowable," then humanity has no reference point whereby to tell which teacher is telling the truth. Christianity rightly teaches that God can be known, as is naturally known even by non-believers, though they may not have a relational knowledge of God. Romans 1:20 (http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Romans%201.20) says, "For since the creation of the world, His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead…" God is knowable, not only through the creation, but through His Word and the presence of the Holy Spirit, who leads and guides us and bears witness that we are His children (Romans 8:14-16 (http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Romans%208.14-16)). Not only can we know Him, but we can know Him intimately as our "Abba, Father" (Galatians 4:6 (http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Galatians%204.6)). True, God may not fit His infinity into our finite minds, but man can still have partial knowledge of God which is entirely true and relationally meaningful.

About Jesus, the Baha'i faith teaches that He was a manifestation of God but not an incarnation. The difference sounds slight but is actually enormous. Baha’is believe God is unknowable; therefore, God cannot incarnate Himself to be present among men. If Jesus is God in the most literal sense, and Jesus is knowable, then God is knowable, and that Baha'i doctrine is exploded. So, Baha’is teach that Jesus was a reflection of God. Just as a person can look at a reflection of the sun in a mirror and say, "There is the sun," so one can look at Jesus and say, "There is God," meaning "There is a reflection of God." Here again the problem of teaching that God is "unknowable" surfaces since there would be no way to distinguish between true and false manifestations or prophets. The Christian, however, can argue that Christ has set Himself apart from all other manifestations and has confirmed His self-attested divinity by physically rising from the dead (1 Corinthians 15 (http://biblia.com/bible/esv/1%20Corinthians%2015)), a point which Baha’is also deny. While the resurrection would be a miracle, it is nonetheless a historically defensible fact, given the body of evidence. Dr. Gary Habermas, Dr. William Lane Craig, and N.T. Wright have done well in defending the historicity of the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

The Baha'i faith also denies the sole sufficiency of Christ and of Scripture. Krishna, Buddha, Jesus, Muhammad, the Bab, and Baha'u'llah were all manifestations of God, and the latest of these would have the highest authority since he'd have the most complete revelation of God, according to the idea of progressive revelation. Here, Christian apologetics can be employed to demonstrate the uniqueness of Christianity's claims and its doctrinal and practical truthfulness exclusive of contrary religious systems. The Baha'i, however, is concerned for showing that all the world's major religions are ultimately reconcilable. Any differences would be explained away as:

1) Social Laws—Instead of supra-cultural Spiritual Laws.
2) Early revelation—As opposed to the more "complete" later revelation.
3) Corrupted Teaching or Misinterpretation.

But even granting these qualifications, the world's religions are too varied and too fundamentally different to be reconciled. Given that the world's religions obviously teach and practice contrary things, the burden is on the Baha'i to salvage the world's major religions while dismantling almost everything foundational to those religions. Ironically, the religions which are most inclusive—Buddhism and Hinduism—are classically atheistic and pantheistic (respectively), and neither atheism nor pantheism is allowed within the strictly monotheistic Baha'i faith. Meanwhile, the religions that are least theologically inclusive of the Baha'i faith—Islam, Christianity, Orthodox Judaism—are monotheistic, as Baha'i is.

Also, the Baha'i faith teaches a sort of works-based salvation. The Baha'i faith is not much different from Islam in its core teachings about how to be saved except that, for the Baha'i, little is said about the afterlife. This earthly life is to be filled with good works counterbalancing one's evil deeds and showing one's self deserving of ultimate deliverance. Sin is not paid for or dissolved; rather, it is excused by a presumably benevolent God. Man does not have a significant relationship with God. In fact, Baha’is teach that there is no personality in God's essence, but only in His manifestations. Thus, God does not submit easily to a relationship with man. Accordingly, the Christian doctrine of grace is reinterpreted so that "grace" means "God's kind allowance for man to have the opportunity to earn deliverance." Built into this doctrine is a denial of Christ's sacrificial atonement and a minimization of sin.

The Christian view of salvation is very different. Sin is understood as being of eternal and infinite consequence since it is a universal crime against an infinitely perfect God (Romans 3:10 (http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Romans%203.10), 23 (http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Romans%203.23)). Likewise, sin is so great that it deserves a life (blood) sacrifice and incurs eternal punishment in the afterlife. But Christ pays the price that all owe, dying as an innocent sacrifice for a guilty humanity. Because man cannot do anything to unblemish himself or to deserve eternal reward, he either must die for his own sins or believe that Christ graciously died in his place (Isaiah 53 (http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Isaiah%2053); Romans 5:8 (http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Romans%205.8)). Thus, salvation is either by God's grace through man's faith or there is no eternal salvation.

It is no surprise then that Baha'i faith proclaims Baha'u'llah to be the second coming of Christ. Jesus Himself warned us in the Gospel of Matthew concerning the end times: "Then if any one says to you, 'Lo, here is the Christ!' or 'There he is!' do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect" (Matthew 24:23-24 (http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Matthew%2024.23-24)). Interestingly, Baha’is typically deny or minimize any miracles of Baha'u'llah. His unique spiritual claims are based on self-attested authority, uncanny and uneducated wisdom, prolific writing, pure living, majority consensus, and other subjective tests. The more objective tests such as prophetic fulfillment employ heavily allegorical interpretations of Scripture (see Thief in the Night by William Sears). The belief in Baha'u'llah largely reduces to a point of faith—is one willing to accept him as the manifestation of God, in the absence of objective evidence? Of course, Christianity also calls for faith, but the Christian has strong and demonstrable evidence along with that faith.

The Baha'i faith therefore does not accord with classical Christianity, and it has much to answer for in its own right. How an unknowable God could elicit such an elaborate theology and justify a new world religion is a mystery. The Baha’i faith is weak in addressing sin, treating it as if it were not a big problem and is surmountable by human effort. Christ's divinity is denied, as is the evidential value and literal nature of Christ's resurrection. And for the Baha'i faith, one of its biggest problems is its pluralism. That is, how can one reconcile such divergent religious without leaving them theologically gutted? It is easy to argue that the world's religions have commonalities in their ethical teachings and have some concept of ultimate reality. But it is another beast entirely to try to argue unity in their fundamental teachings about what the ultimate reality is and about how those ethics are grounded.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/Bahai-faith.html#ixzz3EeOxZoLl

[crimethink]

So you have no sources for your claims?

Since you have no courage to admit that your "prophet" was a pedophile, let me assist:

Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64:

"Narrated 'Aisha: the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death)."

[crimethink]

Chill out guys ,lets met in the middle ...............

No, thanks, I have no interest in half-truths.

[Horn]

No, thanks, I have no interest in half-truths.

You're not being a good Christian.

[crimethink]

You're not being a good Christian.

In what way?

[Horn]

In what way?

Accepting the Quran as truth.

While remaining uninterested in the Bible.

[crimethink]

Accepting the Quran as truth.

While remaining uninterested in the Bible.

What exactly do these nonsense statements mean? They have no relation to my posts, as can clearly be seen above.

[Spectrism]

Serpo has been trying to throw this off course and Horn is sucking instead of blowing.

There is no middle ground. Something is either true or it is not. When we have so much information at our hands, it is easy to determine truth here. So the issue becomes: will you hold to truth or will you hold to lies?

Those who are afraid of having the truth come to light say much of themselves.

[Serpo]

Those who are afraid of having the truth come to light say much of themselves.

hahahaha thats a good one

just try holding onto truth spec ......it will just run between your fingers

[Serpo]

No, thanks, I have no interest in half-truths.

No such thing as half truth

[Serpo]

All these experts on TRUTH................what is it then

[Spectrism]

All these experts on TRUTH................what is it then

Truth is not a "what" but a who. If you don't know Him, you don't know Truth.

[crimethink]

Serpo has been trying to throw this off course and Horn is sucking instead of blowing.

There is no middle ground. Something is either true or it is not. When we have so much information at our hands, it is easy to determine truth here. So the issue becomes: will you hold to truth or will you hold to lies?

Those who are afraid of having the truth come to light say much of themselves.

I'm accused of being a "bad Christian" for revealing Islam to be a fraudulent, evil religion, whose "prophet" was a pedophile. In fact, being a bad Christian would be spewing "let's all get along, we all worship the 'same god'."

As you say, no middle ground.

I would like to know if Serpo is a useful tool, or a willing collaborator. I picture him like the President of the Council on the bridge of the Battlestar Atlantia, acting shocked that the Cylons are about to blow his flagship to Kingdom Come.

[crimethink]

No such thing as half truth

That's right. Bahai is no "meet in the middle" faith. I used "half truth" colloquially. You used it literally, without realizing it.

[crimethink]

Truth is not a "what" but a who. If you don't know Him, you don't know Truth.

And the Truth will indeed set you free.

[Serpo]

Truth is not a "what" but a who. If you don't know Him, you don't know Truth.

Sounding a bit vague spec

[Norweger]

Sounding a bit vague spec

Probably a bit too much alcohol in his blood.

[7th trump]

It's not a problem. I was pointing out that spectrism doesn't even follow his own bible and that most so called Christians don't.

Its not a biblical crime to eat piggy.

God knows best what can be eaten and what is not to be eaten.....they are basically health laws.
Theres nothing in the bible that says if you eat the piggy you go to hell. God saying to not eat pork a health law benefit to longevity and not getting sick.......that's it nothing else.

The retarded muslims think eating pork is a sin that will get you a one way ticket to hell....however having sex with a goat is perfectly ok for a muslim....or raping a woman and then murdering the rape victim is also perfectly ok in the muslim satanic religion.
The latter will get you a one way ticket to hell...as it should!

But we have muslims on this board that will, and do, agree its perfectly ok to rape, pillage, plunder and murder.....right Norweger?

[Serpo]

So you guys are saying that your religion is best and lets destroy other religions because ours is the best always is and always will be and at least we are not pig headed and our heads are not filled with cement.

And truth is a person that died 2000 years ago................where can we sign up

[Norweger]

Its not a biblical crime to eat piggy.

God knows best what can be eaten and what is not to be eaten.....they are basically health laws.
Theres nothing in the bible that says if you eat the piggy you go to hell. God saying tio not eat pork a health law benefit to longevity and not getting sick.......that's it nothing else.

The retarded muslims think eating pork is a sin that will get you a one way ticket to hell....however having sex with a goat is perfectly ok for a muslim....or raping a woman and then murdering the rape victim is also perfectly ok in the muslim satanic religion.
The latter will get you a one way ticket to hell...as it should!

But we have muslims on this board that will, and do, agree its perfectly ok to rape, pillage, plunder and murder.....right Norweger?

Yes, they are health laws that is correct. God (glory to him) wants us to have good health, therefore he does not want us to eat swine. Why does so many Christians still eat swine? Because they have weak faith?

As for the rest of your post, its all hogwash. The prophet (pbuh) said that we should slay the man and the beast in bestiality cases, but you live in a country where that is perfectly legal. How does that make you feel?

[Serpo]

That's right. Bahai is no "meet in the middle" faith. I used "half truth" colloquially. You used it literally, without realizing it.

you said ,I said .......WTF

[crimethink]

Yes, they are health laws that is correct. God (glory to him) wants us to have good health, therefore he does not want us to eat swine. Why does so many Christians still eat swine? Because they have weak faith?

Consuming alcohol and pig is "evil," but pedophilia with a nine-year old girl is "holy" according to your "prophet."

[crimethink]

So you guys are saying that your religion is best and lets destroy other religions because ours is the best always is and always will be and at least we are not pig headed and our heads are not filled with cement.

And truth is a person that died 2000 years ago................where can we sign up

There is no "best." It is either true, or it is not. Christianity is true. Islam is not.

[Serpo]

Yes, they are health laws that is correct. God (glory to him) wants us to have good health, therefore he does not want us to eat swine. Why does so many Christians still eat swine? Because they have weak faith?

As for the rest of your post, its all hogwash. The prophet (pbuh) said that we should slay the man and the beast in bestiality cases, but you live in a country where that is perfectly legal. How does that make you feel?

Havnt eaten pork or any meat since I was 8yrs old after they killed my beloved pet piggy............ps thats a lot of decades ago

[Norweger]

Consuming alcohol and pig is "evil," but pedophilia with a nine-year old girl is "holy" according to your "prophet."

No. You are just repeating what zionists and other mentally unstable persons have told you and then repeat it like its the gospel.

[Norweger]

Havnt eaten pork or any meat since I was 8yrs old after they killed my beloved pet piggy............ps thats a lot of decades ago

The government? (just kidding).

[crimethink]

No. You are just repeating what zionists and other mentally unstable persons have told you and then repeat it like its the gospel.

FACT: your "prophet" Muhammad was a pedophile who had sexual intercourse with a nine-year old girl. This has been accepted by Muslims for 1300 years.

We're still waiting for your answer about how old Aisha was when Muhammad "consummated" the "marriage." If you disagree it was nine, tell us your opinion on it.

[Serpo]

Christianity is true. Islam is not.

What Christianity ....all of it or is it one little segment

Of course ,I didnt realise how easy all this stuff was.......

Only thing is I have no beliefs on religion so you all end up looking like brainwashed twits to me.


A religion is an organized collection of beliefs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belief_system), cultural systems (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_system), and world views (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_view) that relate humanity to an order of existence.[note 1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion#cite_note-1) Many religions have narratives (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythology), symbols (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbol), and sacred histories (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_history) that are intended to explain the meaning of life (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meaning_of_life) and/or to explain the origin of life (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_myth) or the Universe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_cosmology). From their beliefs about the cosmos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmos) and human nature (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_nature), people derive morality (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_code), ethics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethics), religious laws (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_law) or a preferred lifestyle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifestyle_%28sociology%29). According to some estimates, there are roughly 4,200 religions in the world.[1]

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion#cite_note-2)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion

[Norweger]

There is no "best." It is either true, or it is not. Christianity is true. Islam is not.

Yet, Muslims have no problem admitting that the Injeel was given to Jesus (pbuh) from the angel Gabriel. Muslims have also no problems admitting that Christians pray to the one true God as well.

It's only certain Christians wants to make this into a contest... probably due to some deep rooted insecurities about their own religion.

[crimethink]

What Christianity ....all of it or is it one little segment

Of course ,I didnt realise how easy all this stuff was.......

Only thing is I have no beliefs on religion so you all end up looking like brainwashed twits to me.

We all have a "god" - money, power, sex, the Real One, celebrities, our self. Which is yours?

[crimethink]

Yet, Muslims have no problem admitting that the Injeel was given to Jesus (pbuh) from the angel Gabriel. Muslims have also no problems admitting that Christians pray to the one true god as well.

It's only certain Christians wants to make this into a contest... probably due to some deep rooted insecurities about their own religion.

Islam calls Christ a liar when it claims it was not finished at Calvary. Islam calls Christ a liar when it denies His statements about being God Himself.

The last prophet of God was St. John. He died as an old man on an island, bringing us Revelation. He was not a worldly warrior, living by the sword. He did not have an army of wives, and especially did not take a nine-year girl as a sex slave.

[Norweger]

FACT: your "prophet" Muhammad was a pedophile who had sexual intercourse with a nine-year old girl. This has been accepted by Muslims for 1300 years.

We're still waiting for your answer about how old Aisha was when Muhammad "consummated" the "marriage." If you disagree it was nine, tell us your opinion on it.

I dont have an exact age, but as I've said, she was sexually mature and i could also give sources for this, but you would not accept it no matter what, so what is the point? You will continue on with your blabber about piracy, pedophilia and blablabla. It wont change, it's too deeply rooted in you.

We are talking about a prophet of God here, a man that did not lust after women. His marriage with Aisha was ordained from above. We can also see why she was chosen and that is because of her inquisitive nature and close relationship with the blessed prophet (pbuh). Where the sahabah would stop questioning she would continue so that the coming generations would have a greater understanding.

[Norweger]

Islam calls Christ a liar when it claims it was not finished at Calvary. Islam calls Christ a liar when it denies His statements about being God Himself.

The last prophet of God was St. John. He died as an old man on an island, bringing us Revelation. He did not have an army of wives, and especially did not take a nine-year girl as a sex slave.

Ah, so you think Jesus, the son of Mary (pbuh) was/is God? Who did Jesus (pbuh) pray to then? Didn't you just argue for him being the son of God?

Ah yes, Christianity. Absolutely no contradictions to see here. No wonder it's a collapsing religion.

[crimethink]

I dont have an exact age, but as I've said, she was sexually mature and i could also give sources for this, but you would not accept it no matter what, so what is the point?


What age then? 10? 11? 12? 13?

"Sexually-mature"? What evidence was there of that? Your own ancient Islamic sources claim she was nine.




You will continue on with your blabber about piracy, pedophilia and blablabla. It wont change, it's too deeply rooted in you.


You are damned fu**king right it's deeply rooted in me. Anyone who has sex with a child must be exterminated. There is no greater earthly crime than taking sexual advantage of a kid.




We are talking about a prophet of God here, a man that did not lust after women.


The Apostles of Jesus Christ did not take armies of wives - or even one of them. That is an example of men of faith who do not lust after women.

Muhammad was a sex fiend, whose ego and libido required he take multiple wives.




His marriage with Aisha was ordained from above.


Any "god" that endorses pedophilia is a demon.




We can also see why she was chosen and that is because of her inquisitive nature and close relationship with the blessed prophet (pbuh). Where the sahabah would stop questioning she would continue so that the coming generations would have a greater understanding.

Your sophistry reads just like the Babylonian Talmud, which, also, endorses pedophilia, and even dares to claim "god" ordains it.

[Norweger]

Mary the mother of Jesus (may God be pleased with her) was only 13 when she gave birth to Jesus (pbuh).

How does that make you feel?

[Serpo]

We all have a "god" - money, power, sex, the Real One, celebrities, our self. Which is yours?


The GOD I am talking about is the one universal god ,creator of all things and we as human beings are his living example...................................

In the end there is only ONE..........



What is God Consciousnessby Aja People want to know what is God, and what is God consciousness. The reality is that consciousness IS God. Consciousness is totally singular, as is God. They are two names for one thing. The illusion is that there is an individual separate from God or separate from consciousness. The "individual" seeks to know God or to be in God consciousness. But first one must understand what that individual is.
The "individual" says "I am this or that." There is an assumption that they are limited, that the consciousness of "I am" is limited. But when "I am" is not equated with this or that, when it remains simply as consciousness, as awareness, it has no boundary. This is the consciousness which is "God." In the Bible, God says, "I am that I Am." Not that God is this or that, but consciousness itself.
The best example that can be given is that of the ocean and the wave. A wave is nothing but the ocean. A wave has no individuality of it's own. It is in fact only the ocean taking the form of a wave, pushing up as a wave. If the wave believes it is separate from the ocean, it may wish to reunite with the ocean. But water is water. There is not a boundary where the wave ends and the ocean begins. It is only the form which arises that suggests waveness different from the ocean.
If the wave were to inquire as to what it actually is, it would find that it is nothing but water. Not water as wave, but simply water. In the same way, if we inquire as to what we are, what is our pure subjectivity, we find that we are simply consciousness. All of the this's and that's are not what we are. When we say "I am this" or "I am that," we are identifying with an object. Even a statement like "I am consciousness" identifies us with something. But when we recognize that we are ONLY consciousness, there is nothing to limit us. The wave saying, "I am the ocean" suggests that there are two things, the wave and the ocean.
But when God says, "I am that I am," there is not two things, only one. When we let go of any and every identification other than being pure consciousness, we are no longer limited to individuality or form. We are what is. There is not a separation between the consciousness that we are and the consciousness that God is. They are one consciousness. God arising or occurring as human, as everything.
So the question is not, "What is God consciousness?" but rather, "What is NOT God consciousness?" It is only a matter of letting go of all identifications, including being God or not being God, being individual or not being individual. Simply be as pure consciousness, I am that I am, and then you are that all.

Aja is a vedic priest at the Atma Institute in Portland. Visit www.atmainstitute.org (http://www.atmainstitute.org).

[crimethink]

Ah, so you think Jesus, the son of Mary (pbuh) was/is God? Who did Jesus (pbuh) pray to then? Didn't you just argue for him being the son of God?

Ah yes, Christianity. Absolutely no contradictions to see here. No wonder it's a collapsing religion.

Jesus Christ claimed to be one with the One, so, yes, I believe Him.

I do not understand the mysteries of quantum physics, either, but they are real. Indeed, those who claim to understand the bizarre phenomena in the quantum world do not. God's tripartite nature is outside of current human comprehension. Yet it is consistent back to Genesis, where God is referred to as "Elohim," the plural, and He declared, let us make man in "Our" image, again, the plural.

[Serpo]

Mary the mother of Jesus (may God be pleased with her) was only 13 when she gave birth to Jesus (pbuh).

How does that make you feel?

hehe......................

[crimethink]

Mary the mother of Jesus (may God be pleased with her) was only 13 when she gave birth to Jesus (pbuh).

How does that make you feel?

If Aisha was 13 when Muhammad raped her, I would not call it rape or pedophilia. She was nine.

A 13-year old girl, even today, is, indeed, sexually mature. Do I think 13-year old should be marrying today? No, but that is a matter for her own family & God.

Aisha was NINE - N-I-N-E.

[Serpo]

Jesus Christ claimed to be one with the One, so, yes, I believe Him.

I do not understand the mysteries of quantum physics, either, but they are real. Indeed, those who claim to understand the bizarre phenomena in the quantum world do not. God's tripartite nature is outside of current human comprehension. Yet it is consistent back to Genesis, where God is referred to as "Elohim," the plural, and He declared, let us make man in "Our" image, again, the plural.

You have only books and what others have said before to understand GOD,,,,,,,,

as opposed to direct experience...........leave that to me

[Norweger]

If Aisha was 13 when Muhammad raped her, I would not call it rape or pedophilia. She was nine.

A 13-year old girl, even today, is, indeed, sexually mature. Do I think 13-year old should be marrying today? No, but that is a matter for her own family & God.

Aisha was NINE - N-I-N-E.

Yet, there is no proof for this. Just something you have heard from Zionists and read on other kuffar blogs and then repeat like a parrot.

[Serpo]

If Aisha was 13 when Muhammad raped her, I would not call it rape or pedophilia. She was nine.

A 13-year old girl, even today, is, indeed, sexually mature. Do I think 13-year old should be marrying today? No, but that is a matter for her own family & God.

Aisha was NINE - N-I-N-E.

You seem preoccupied with nine year olds CT


everyone knows that the marring young thing, is/was part of the middle eastern society back then and still is............basically proves nothing

[crimethink]

The GOD I am talking about is the one universal god ,creator of all things and we as human beings are his living example...................................

In the end there is only ONE..........

Yes, His name is Yahweh, the original, self-existing One.

"For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they [non-Christians] are without excuse."

Romans 1:20

[crimethink]

Yet, there is no proof for this. Just something you have heard from Zionists and read on other kuffar blogs and then repeat like a parrot.

Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64:

"Narrated 'Aisha: the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death)."

Can you read it now?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahih_al-Bukhari

[Serpo]

Until people have the courage to drop religion and find the God Consciousness that is part of themselves and not something outside of themselves then they shall be forever asleep and lost in a maze of words and beliefs.

[Serpo]

Romans 1:20

Romans 1:20 ah one of my favorites..............................

[crimethink]

You seem preoccupied with nine year olds CT


You seem preoccupied with running interference for child molesters. Why is that?




everyone knows that the marring young thing, is/was part of the middle eastern society back then and still is............basically proves nothing

I want him to admit the truth: his "prophet" was a pedophile. I don't care if it's "normal" in the Muslim world then or now. It is an abomination, and needs to be revealed to all. He needs to simply admit his "prophet" "marriage" and had sex with a nine-year old. That's all.

[Serpo]

Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64:

"Narrated 'Aisha: the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death)."

Can you read it now?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahih_al-Bukhari

a Wikipedia quote..............hahaha......................... ............they where there

[Norweger]

“A great misconception prevails as to the age at which Aisha was taken in marriage by the Prophet. Ibn Sa‘d has stated in the Tabaqat that when Abu Bakr [father of Aisha] was approached on behalf of the Holy Prophet, he replied that the girl had already been betrothed to Jubair, and that he would have to settle the matter first with him. This shows that Aisha must have been approaching maturity at the time. Again, the Isaba, speaking of the Prophet’s daughter Fatima, says that she was born five years before the Call and was about five years older than Aisha. This shows that Aisha must have been about ten years at the time of her betrothal to the Prophet, and not six years as she is generally supposed to be. This is further borne out by the fact that Aisha herself is reported to have stated that when the chapter [of the Holy Quran] entitled The Moon, the fifty-fourth chapter, was revealed, she was a girl playing about and remembered certain verses then revealed. Now the fifty-fourth chapter was undoubtedly revealed before the sixth year of the Call. All these considerations point to but one conclusion, viz., that Aisha could not have been less than ten years of age at the time of her nikah, which was virtually only a betrothal. And there is one report in the Tabaqat that Aisha was nine years of age at the time of nikah. Again it is a fact admitted on all hands that the nikah of Aisha took place in the tenth year of the Call in the month of Shawwal, while there is also preponderance of evidence as to the consummation of her marriage taking place in the second year of Hijra in the same month, which shows that full five years had elapsed between the nikah and the consummation. Hence there is not the least doubt that Aisha was at least nine or ten years of age at the time of betrothal, and fourteen or fifteen years at the time of marriage.”

http://www.muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.htm

[crimethink]

Until people have the courage to drop religion and find the God Consciousness that is part of themselves and not something outside of themselves then they shall be forever asleep and lost in a maze of words and beliefs.

Christianity in its purest, most Christ-like form is a relationship, not religion.

A person can be a Christian without the Bible, provided they know and understand Jesus Christ.

A person cannot be a Muslim (or Jew) without the Quran (or Talmud). That is religion.

[Norweger]

You seem preoccupied with running interference for child molesters. Why is that?




I want him to admit the truth: his "prophet" was a pedophile. I don't care if it's "normal" in the Muslim world then or now. It is an abomination, and needs to be revealed to all. He needs to simply admit his "prophet" "marriage" and had sex with a nine-year old. That's all.

If that was true and i admitted it you would still want more. You would not be satisfied until i rejected Islam.. and not only me, but the whole world.

[Serpo]

You seem preoccupied with running interference for child molesters. Why is that?




I want him to admit the truth: his "prophet" was a pedophile. I don't care if it's "normal" in the Muslim world then or now. It is an abomination, and needs to be revealed to all. He needs to simply admit his "prophet" "marriage" and had sex with a nine-year old. That's all.


I don't care

exactly



because you think you are superior because of religion

[crimethink]

a Wikipedia quote..............hahaha......................... ............they where there

Fool, that is not a quote from Wikipedia. It is a quote from the Sahih al-Bukhari, regarded as second-only-to-the-Quran in authority by Sunnis.

The Wikipedia link is for clarification of what the Sahih al-Bukhari is.

[crimethink]

“A great misconception prevails as to the age at which Aisha was taken in marriage by the Prophet. Ibn Sa‘d has stated in the Tabaqat that when Abu Bakr [father of Aisha] was approached on behalf of the Holy Prophet, he replied that the girl had already been betrothed to Jubair, and that he would have to settle the matter first with him. This shows that Aisha must have been approaching maturity at the time. Again, the Isaba, speaking of the Prophet’s daughter Fatima, says that she was born five years before the Call and was about five years older than Aisha. This shows that Aisha must have been about ten years at the time of her betrothal to the Prophet, and not six years as she is generally supposed to be. This is further borne out by the fact that Aisha herself is reported to have stated that when the chapter [of the Holy Quran] entitled The Moon, the fifty-fourth chapter, was revealed, she was a girl playing about and remembered certain verses then revealed. Now the fifty-fourth chapter was undoubtedly revealed before the sixth year of the Call. All these considerations point to but one conclusion, viz., that Aisha could not have been less than ten years of age at the time of her nikah, which was virtually only a betrothal. And there is one report in the Tabaqat that Aisha was nine years of age at the time of nikah. Again it is a fact admitted on all hands that the nikah of Aisha took place in the tenth year of the Call in the month of Shawwal, while there is also preponderance of evidence as to the consummation of her marriage taking place in the second year of Hijra in the same month, which shows that full five years had elapsed between the nikah and the consummation. Hence there is not the least doubt that Aisha was at least nine or ten years of age at the time of betrothal, and fourteen or fifteen years at the time of marriage.”

http://www.muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.htm

That is a press release from a Muslim propaganda agency. Of course no Muslim wants we "Kuffars" to know the false prophet Muhammad was a pedophile.

The Sahih al-Bukhari is regarded as second only to the Quran in authority by Sunnis. You cannot explain it away.

[Serpo]

Christianity in its purest, most Christ-like form is a relationship, not religion.

A person can be a Christian without the Bible, provided they know and understand Jesus Christ.

A person cannot be a Muslim (or Jew) without the Quran (or Talmud). That is religion.

What are you an authority ,isnt this what Muslims do also


hahah now its not a religion but a relationship ,

[Serpo]

Fool, that is not a quote from Wikipedia. It is a quote from the Sahih al-Bukhari, regarded as second-only-to-the-Quran in authority by Sunnis.

The Wikipedia link is for clarification of what the Sahih al-Bukhari is.

of course my mistake

[crimethink]

If that was true and i admitted it you would still want more. You would not be satisfied until i rejected Islam.. and not only me, but the whole world.

I already know you are an enemy of White, Christian civilization. I also know you will not stop at such evil. I just want people to see how depraved your idol, the pedophile Muhammad really was. Why are you embarrassed by what your ally Serpo just admitted: pedophilia existed then, and now, in Islamic lands?

[Norweger]

I wonder if your christian Zionist friends on this forum agrees with you that Jesus (pbuh) is God (glory to him).

[crimethink]

I wonder if your christian Zionist friends on this forum agrees with you that Jesus (pbuh) is God (glory to him).

What is the minimum age for a wife in Islam?

[Ponce]

Five years old, compare to the Jews that they can do it to a girl as young as three.....is in the Tora.

V

[crimethink]

Five years old, compare to the Jews that they can do it to a girl as young as three.....is in the Tora.

V

Islam and Talmudic Judaism have far more in common than they are at odds on. That's why Muhammad had a Talmud Jewess for a wife (another one, in addition to the nine-year old).

A pervert having sex with a nine-year old or a three-year old, doesn't matter: in both cases he should be shot dead.

[Norweger]

Later research

Research subsequent to the time of Maulana Muhammad Ali has shown that she was older than this. An excellent short work presenting such evidence is the Urdu pamphlet Rukhsati kai waqt Sayyida Aisha Siddiqa ki umar (‘The age of Lady Aisha at the time of the start of her married life’) by Abu Tahir Irfani.[4a] Points 1 to 3 below have been brought to light in this pamphlet.

1. The famous classical historian of Islam, Ibn Jarir Tabari, wrote in his ‘History’:

“In the time before Islam, Abu Bakr married two women. The first was Fatila daughter of Abdul Uzza, from whom Abdullah and Asma were born. Then he married Umm Ruman, from whom Abdur Rahman and Aisha were born. These four were born before Islam.” [5]

Being born before Islam means being born before the Call.

2. The compiler of the famous Hadith collection Mishkat al-Masabih, Imam Wali-ud-Din Muhammad ibn Abdullah Al-Khatib, who died 700 years ago, has also written brief biographical notes on the narrators of Hadith reports. He writes under Asma, the older daughter of Abu Bakr:

“She was the sister of Aisha Siddiqa, wife of the Holy Prophet, and was ten years older than her. … In 73 A.H. … Asma died at the age of one hundred years.” [6]

(Go here to see an image of the full entry in Urdu.)

This would make Asma 28 years of age in 1 A.H., the year of the Hijra, thus making Aisha 18 years old in 1 A.H. So Aisha would be 19 years old at the time of the consummation of her marriage, and 14 or 15 years old at the time of her nikah. It would place her year of birth at four or five years before the Call.

3. The same statement is made by the famous classical commentator of the Holy Quran, Ibn Kathir, in his book Al-bidayya wal-nihaya:

“Asma died in 73 A.H. at the age of one hundred years. She was ten years older than her sister Aisha.” [7]

Apart from these three evidences, which are presented in the Urdu pamphlet referred to above, we also note that the birth of Aisha being a little before the Call is consistent with the opening words of a statement by her which is recorded four times in Bukhari. Those words are as follows:

“Ever since I can remember (or understand things) my parents were following the religion of Islam.” [8]

This is tantamount to saying that she was born sometime before her parents accepted Islam but she can only remember them practising Islam. No doubt she and her parents knew well whether she was born before or after they accepted Islam, as their acceptance of Islam was such a landmark event in their life which took place just after the Holy Prophet received his mission from God. If she had been born after they accepted Islam it would make no sense for her to say that she always remembered them as following Islam. Only if she was born before they accepted Islam, would it make sense for her to say that she can only remember them being Muslims, as she was too young to remember things before their conversion. This is consistent with her being born before the Call, and being perhaps four or five years old at the time of the Call, which was also almost the time when her parents accepted Islam.

[Norweger]

What is the minimum age for a wife in Islam?

Are you looking to marry?

[Serpo]

Five years old, compare to the Jews that they can do it to a girl as young as three.....is in the Tora.

V

hehe.......





Have a look at what some old swamis may have said on the subject......... of reaching a state of entangled consciousness(this thread)


To come to one’s true nature is the symptom of spirituality, and this activity of the mind, this attempt of the human understanding to come to its own Self is prevented by its entanglements in terms of space, time, qualities and relations. The mind is the cause of our bondage in this sense. Our condition is more pitiable than other beings because of our not being able to know what our actual difficulty is. What is our problem?
There is another mysterious trouble into which we descend in human life when we mistake an erroneous consciousness for the requisite knowledge of truth. For example, we all make the mistake of thinking that we are conscious of truth. The world is truth, the objects in the world are truth, the activities in which we are engaged are real, and we make reference to this reality whenever we want to judge the objects of the world by the standard of truth. We are in a world of reality when we wake up from dream. What is this world of reality? It is the world of these objects, these persons, these things, these temptations, these positive and negative attributes. We have not only been caught up by the inextricable activities of the external qualities and relations, but at the same time we make the mistake that this entangled consciousness is consciousness of reality. Hence, blessed indeed should be that person who can wake up higher still from this state of entangled consciousness.









Our joys and sorrows are connected to world situations. We are living an external life, an objective life, a life of sensory perception. We live in terms of qualities and relations, not in terms of our own Self. Thus, from this point of view at least, no human being can be said to be spiritually conscious; everyone is bound. It is not possible to be spiritually conscious as long as the mind has not come back to its own source and as long as it has not realised that it is tangled in the relations of objects. The mind cannot achieve freedom so long as it mistakes objects for truths, so long as it mistakes objective perceptions for true knowledge, because the very idea or notion of freedom is itself fundamentally erroneous.

http://www.swami-krishnananda.org/freedom/freedom_04.html

[Horn]

Those who are afraid of having the truth come to light,

say much of themselves.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecm65dh6qy0

[Serpo]

Are you looking to marry?

hes already married twice , ones a real person ,the other is his beliefs

[mick silver]

if god was not from this world were did he come from ??? in the bible it say god is not from this world

[Serpo]

if god was not from this world were did he come from ??? in the bible it say god is not from this world

sorry I didnt make it that far

depending what peoples interpretation of god is the energy of something that is everywhere all pervading and omnipresent means that he cant come from somewhere as he was already here.

[crimethink]

Are you looking to marry?

If I were to convert to your one, true religion:

1) how old must my wives be?
2) how many wives may I have?

[mick silver]

if god was not from this world were did he come from ??? in the bible it say god is not from this world

[Serpo]

Too me in the end ,holding onto a religion by a human being in the face of god maybe deemed an insult, as the person has lost their connection with god they where born with and have separated themselves from other humans also.(various beliefs)

TO GO THROUGH AN INTERMEDIARY TO CONNECT TO GOD MEANS YOU HAVE LOST YOUR HIGHER MIND/GOD CONNECTION ................somehow......basically by thinking about stuff too much and doubting god ,turning your backs on him and believing a religion instead .

Peoples minds and hearts learn to form a strawman of GOD and end up connecting to that instead (insult),one made up by previous humans, so we end up believing in the past /from the past which becomes a form of death.



Its not something possible for me.

[Serpo]

if god was not from this world were did he come from ??? in the bible it say god is not from this world


Probably talking about the reptilians controlling us in life and death...........

from my favorite psychic

Sunday, September 28, 2014

Reincarnation and Your Memories (How do you get them back..) (http://psychicfocus.blogspot.com.au/2014/09/reincarnation-and-your-memories-how-do.html)


Q. In regards to the process of reincarnation, supposedly souls have their memories "wiped" prior to their next life. Yet, these memories can be retrieved through hypnosis, often revealing that people are following a script very similar to that of their previous life, and with the same group of souls. So, it seems these memories are still stored somewhere. Is there any way other than hypnosis to access them? ie, stimulation of certain parts of the brain, specific drugs, etc.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-GhdSLm_OojQ/VCghMYCr-8I/AAAAAAAABiw/PWDMYL951XA/s1600/1340868160_pastlife1.jpg (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-GhdSLm_OojQ/VCghMYCr-8I/AAAAAAAABiw/PWDMYL951XA/s1600/1340868160_pastlife1.jpg)A. When I tune into this I do see we have residual memories or thoughts. Some people have more than others depending on the soul, experience (if there was trauma the memories or feelings look to "stick" more) and also the level of wiping that occurred in the "light" prior to incarnating. I see the memories are stored in the more primal part of the brain at the very top of the spinal cord. I even get an image of that section of brain and my mind zooms into it and I can see what looks like an encapsulated "spark" that wants to release its' thought/energy but cannot (looks like a symbol to show me that we want to see, feel or experience these past memories, but our rational, conscious part of our brain won't allow it.) I also get that the justification for blocking these thoughts, etc is to protect us from trauma that occurred in past lives, BUT the REAL reason for this is there is a higher power that wants to suppress humans and keep them in the incarnation loop on earth. If we were too in tune and were able to continue to grow where we left off we could become more intellectual and overcome those entities (and I get a "reptilian" looking ET) that are trying to hold us back. I also get a message saying something about if enough of us are able to reach to our higher selves we can overthrow those in power and rebuild a "new" type of earth..

Now to tap into these memories... I see hypnosis, meditation and sometimes yoga type exercises as self taught practices to open this up. The real goal is to quiet the rational / conscious part of your mind and communicate directly with your subconscious and higher self. I also get an image of certain drugs (I specifically see marijuana and mushrooms - not encouraging the use, just telling you what I see) in order to reach this connection. I ask about alcohol, and I get that it quiets the conscious mind, BUT there is an element of fogginess that alcohol creates and does NOT encourage the connection. The goal is to open your senses, quiet your rational mind and connect with something bigger than the physical plane we exist in now.

http://psychicfocus.blogspot.com.au/

[crimethink]

Too me in the end ,holding onto a religion by a human being in the face of god maybe deemed an insult, as the person has lost their connection with god they where born with and have separated themselves from other humans also.(various beliefs)

TO GO THROUGH AN INTERMEDIARY TO CONNECT TO GOD MEANS YOU HAVE LOST YOUR HIGHER MIND/GOD CONNECTION ................somehow......basically by thinking about stuff too much and doubting god ,turning your backs on him and believing a religion instead .

Peoples minds and hearts learn to form a strawman of GOD and end up connecting to that instead (insult),one made up by previous humans, so we end up believing in the past /from the past which becomes a form of death.



Its not something possible for me.

Regarding an intermediary, likewise for myself. That's why we call it a relationship, not a religion. My priest - my only priest - is Jesus Christ Himself.

Every religious system that worships "based on" written literature ends up worshiping the literature - the works of men. And usually the men themselves. Many believe the Bible is "the word of God." That is not correct. The Word of God is Jesus Christ Himself. John 1:1. The Bible contains the Word of God. The Bible is helpful and good to read, but is not required to be a Christian. The early Christians did not have the Bible, at least not as we have it now. We have our own built-in compass, our conscience, and, the Holy Spirit of God to guide us when the need arises.

Christianity also does not require "churches" as they are constituted now. Especially not 501(c)(3) state-licensed Babylon "churches." The early Christians met in each others' homes, to share prayer and study - and real communion, literal breaking of bread (meals). The opulent palaces called "churches" are an abomination, when there is so much work to be done for the needy.

[Horn]

if god was not from this world were did he come from ??? in the bible it say god is not from this world

The Bible doesn't reveal truth of God's address, because he gets too many complaints by psychic mail in the first place.



"Infinite goodness means creating a being that you know in advance is going to complain" - Cutshaw

[Serpo]

If I were to convert to your one, true religion:

1) how old must my wives be?
2) how many wives may I have?

Dont mean to butt in but.....



1.......is that all added together or singular

2.......47........not many left at this rate

[Serpo]

Regarding an intermediary, likewise for myself. That's why we call it a relationship, not a religion. My priest - my only priest - is Jesus Christ Himself.

Every religious system that worships "based on" written literature ends up worshiping the literature - the works of men. And usually the men themselves. Many believe the Bible is "the word of God." That is not correct. The Word of God is Jesus Christ Himself. John 1:1. The Bible contains the Word of God. The Bible is helpful and good to read, but is not required to be a Christian. The early Christians did not have the Bible, at least not as we have it now. We have our own built-in compass, our conscience, and, the Holy Spirit of God to guide us when the need arises.

Christianity also does not require "churches" as they are constituted now. Especially not 501(c)(3) state-licensed Babylon "churches." The early Christians met in each others' homes, to share prayer and study - and real communion, literal breaking of bread (meals). The opulent palaces called "churches" are an abomination, when there is so much work to be done for the needy.

Sad to see how its all turned out now

[Horn]

The Abramic religions first condemn a god child into original sin, then replace & recast into the empty shell with conditional or directed virtue.

The elusiveness of virtue due to those same childhood transgression is then excused through man's written or unwritten determinations, or simply receiving a "virtual" tow line rightly.

All in all a practice in penalty for not remaining virtuous, while the primary response (original sin) remains a virtue without a base.

It works well with hierarchical systems that operate in baseless virtue also, or to tear down reality based systems.

[crimethink]

Sad to see how its all turned out now

If you're referring to modern "Christianity," yes, indeed. You assume I have no harsh criticism for modern "Christianity."

Most of modern "Christianity" is about two things: money and ego. In many ways, it is more dangerous than Islam or Talmudic Judaism. Although modern "Christianity" is now Judeo-"Christianity," so many of its inherent defects came from there.

[crimethink]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5MKrKh5Q6I&hd=1

[Spectrism]

OK... crimethink.... did someone steal some of my DNA and clone me? I am beginning to wonder if I am double posting in a split personality here. So far, there is not much I can take issue with in your posts.

[crimethink]

OK... crimethink.... did someone steal some of my DNA and clone me? I am beginning to wonder if I am double posting in a split personality here. So far, there is not much I can take issue with in your posts.

I am 43. Were you cloned, or was I? :)

[Spectrism]

I am 43. Were you cloned, or was I? :)

You are a younger, more energetic version of me. I might need your organs.