Damn it, James Traficant died today. RIP brother

[General of Darkness]

He was a true hero in my book.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/james-traficant-convicted-congressman-dies-25805576

[midnight rambler]

After his tractor accident recently which resulted in very serious injury and a heart attack I figured he was going to be passing soon. Godspeed Jim Traficant.

[crimethink]

I've never understood the guy. Was a hero railroaded with fake charges, like Edgar Steele, or, was he a crook who also told important truths, Rod Blagojevich?

[old steel]

Exactly how do you manage to flip over a tractor while driving it into a pole barn?

Very strange.

[midnight rambler]

I've never understood the guy. Was a hero railroaded with fake charges, like Edgar Steele, or, was he a crook who also told important truths, Rod Blagojevich?

I think someone needs to ask Ron Paul if it's possible to wade into a cesspool and not end up getting some shit on you.

[palani]

Exactly how do you manage to flip over a tractor while driving it into a pole barn?

Very strange.

If it were a 4 wheel drive and foot slips off the clutch ... those things will climb walls and flip backward. If it was a vintage one it wouldn't have a ROPS.

[midnight rambler]

Exactly how do you manage to flip over a tractor while driving it into a pole barn?

Very strange.

The story is he "ran over a steel blade (in the pole barn) which tipped the tractor over". It could have been some tractor implement which he drove the rear wheel onto and over went the tractor. If it was a tricycle arrangement front axle those tractors are not as stable as the wide (usually adjustable for crop row widths) front axles.

[midnight rambler]

According to wikipedia he suffered a heart attack which resulted in driving the tractor into whatever flipped it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Traficant#Accident_and_death

[crimethink]

Exactly how do you manage to flip over a tractor while driving it into a pole barn?

Very strange.

The same way Vince Foster shot himself in the back of the head?

[old steel]

The same way Vince Foster shot himself in the back of the head?

No doubt.

I've driven tractors up and down ditches a hundred times, driven them drunk/stoned. Never flipped one, never even had a close call.

[midnight rambler]

No doubt.

I've driven tractors up and down ditches a hundred times, driven them drunk/stoned. Never flipped one, never even had a close call.

You're kidding yourself if you think for a minute that tractors don't easily flip under the right circumstances. Plenty of deaths and injuries to substantiate this.

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/images/tractor1.gif

[crimethink]

You're kidding yourself if you think for a minute that tractors don't easily flip under the right circumstances. Plenty of deaths and injuries to substantiate this.

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/images/tractor1.gif

Any word on what model Traficant was using? - Never mind:

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/09/ex-congressman_jim_traficant_d.html

"Police think the tractor tipped after Traficant struck a piece of farm equipment with a bar installed on the front of his 1943 Ford tractor."

Probably one of these:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_N-Series_tractor

[old steel]

You're kidding yourself if you think for a minute that tractors don't easily flip under the right circumstances. Plenty of deaths and injuries to substantiate this.

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/images/tractor1.gif

Not in my neck of the woods.

Of course i have only been driving them for 50 years so what do i know.

[midnight rambler]

Not in my neck of the woods.

Of course i have only been driving them for 50 years so what do i know.

Then you must live where the laws of physics are not applicable. Once the center of gravity is outside the stability baseline that's it, whatever you've got is going over, period.

http://images.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/Vehi015.gif

http://www.tractorforum.com/images/3/0/0/4/3/trac-flip-20.gif

http://waga.images.worldnow.com/images/19479460_BG1.jpg

[crimethink]

Not in my neck of the woods.

Of course i have only been driving them for 50 years so what do i know.

I want to know if the tractor rolled or pitched over. "Tip" is ambiguous. Again, never mind:

http://wkbn.com/2014/09/24/traficant-seriously-injured-in-tractor-accident/

"This caused the tractor to roll over backwards, pinning Traficant underneath."

So, it pitched.

[old steel]

Trust me, you haven't lived until you have power hopped a large 4 wheel drive tractor up a steep ravine.

Perhaps Mr. Traficant was texting while operating the tractor, bad idea.



http://david.farmnet.com.au/files/2007/10/jd4.jpg

[crimethink]

Trust me, you haven't lived until you have power hopped a large 4 wheel drive tractor up a steep ravine.

What about the possibility of a worn clutch or even purposely-damaged clutch or throttle?

[midnight rambler]

Trust me, you haven't lived until you have power hopped a large 4 wheel drive tractor up a steep ravine.



I did plenty of completely unsupervised stupid shit on our farm tractors and equipment INCLUDING trying to flip our largest one by pulling wheelies through a mud hole however I was a stupid teenager with a death wish. I have more sense now than to attempt the plainly foolhardy.

[old steel]

Way more dangerous to join the army, jmo.

[midnight rambler]

Stupid is as stupid does.

[osoab]

RIP.

Do they bury the toupee?

[Cebu_4_2]

Trafficant was a hero of mine, this ending sucks but he stopped posting anything soon as he got out of prison, probably some deal. Look up vids of his old stuff, guy was right on.

[Glass]

Beam him up Scotty, his work here is done.

[General of Darkness]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCnHkjkJFOc

[Bigjon]

Not in my neck of the woods.

Of course i have only been driving them for 50 years so what do i know.

Same here, you have to do something really out of the ordinary to flip a tractor. But our city boys know all about it.

Criticizing Jews might be high on the list.


for sure if they get you to their doktors.

[PatColo]

I just learned of this Donahue appearance from 1990. Go to part 2, seven minute mark for the best part, which climaxes at 13:00. :D

45 mins total.

Donahue - James Traficant Part 1 Oct 8 1990 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_dqqU3sQ1I)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_dqqU3sQ1I


Donahue - James Traficant Part 2 Oct 8 1990 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn4t9wf5OhA)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn4t9wf5OhA


Donahue - James Traficant Part 3 Oct 8 1990 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV-X-h-UCKc)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV-X-h-UCKc

[General of Darkness]

Damn I love Pat, awesome fine.

[gunDriller]

Trafficant was a hero of mine, this ending sucks but he stopped posting anything soon as he got out of prison, probably some deal. Look up vids of his old stuff, guy was right on.

i don't understand the alleged BS that got him nailed for Money Laundering.

which came first, his honest speech about The Jews and Israel, or the alleged crimes ?

i wonder if i do comparable money laundering just transfering money from one Paypal account to another.

i have a feeling that his prison time was similar to that doled out to a political dissident.


i think God likes people that work hard and James worked hard. i think he will be 'recycled', if there is such a thing.

[Cebu_4_2]

i don't understand the alleged BS that got him nailed for Money Laundering.

which came first, his honest speech about The Jews and Israel, or the alleged crimes ?

I think I have it bookmarked... He explains what happened in videos after he got out of prison.

There are many, heres one with RP:


http://youtu.be/Fc4QE6mouPM

http://youtu.be/Fc4QE6mouPM

[iOWNme]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IV48Hf9YbY

[Cebu_4_2]

^ that is a good compilation. Too bad this guy was set an example... the USi is fuked.

[PatColo]

Another good podcast here; lots of clips of JT's highlights. Too bad I'm doing most of my learning about JT after he's gone. :-[ Some of his fans are questioning the tractor accident; but I would be more skeptical of the hospital "treatment" aftermath. Even then though, it seems his tractor injuries were quite serious, for a 73yo guy.


The Solar Storm: Jim Traficant (9-28-14) (http://www.renegadebroadcasting.com/solar-storm-jim-traficant-9-28-14/)http://www.renegadebroadcasting.com/media/Traficant1-e1411937378498-150x150.jpg







The People’s Champion
Kyle discusses the life and death of Jim Traficant, the controversial politician from Ohio. “Jimbo” was loved by many, but hated by more than a few. Topics include Jim’s incredible accomplishments, Mafia connections, various legal troubles, opposition to Israel, and suspicious death.
...full post & comments. (http://www.renegadebroadcasting.com/solar-storm-jim-traficant-9-28-14/)