Let me guess...this is all a show put on by the government...right?

[7th trump]

This is disturbing knowing these filthy muslims are here in America and Canada to murder innocent people.
These barbarians are only using islam as an excuse to murder.
This leroy punk from Canada just happens, one day, to read the koran and then decides to go to Syria and fight for ISIS and then comes home to murder people on his own turf. When just a few months before he knew nothing about islam....insane!!
An insight to the mentallity of the negroe gibsmedat's who would rather pillage and plunder than earn an honest living.
Hopefully a sniper takes the punk leroy out with a 50 cal and splits the punks head in two.


Get your ammo up to speed and get a carry permit.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8TLu514EgU#t=110

[Ponce]

I would love to answer this post....but.....look who is it coming from...........a Zionist lover who wants every country in the world to fight each other in order to make it easier for them to take over......the less enemies that you have to fight the easier that it will be to take over............................but of course the US is their strong fighting arm.

V

[7th trump]

I would love to answer this post....but.....look who is it coming from...........a Zionist lover who wants every country in the world to fight each other in order to make it easier for them to take over......the less enemies that you have to fight the easier that it will be to take over............................but of course the US is their strong fighting arm.

V

Care to tell me where in my post I support the zionists?

Funny how you discredit the zionists while being gainfully wealthy by using their system...hippocrit!
Yee without sin cast the first stone...Ponce!

[StreetsOfGold]

Care to tell me where in my post I support the zionists?

Funny how you discredit the zionists while being gainfully wealthy by using their system...hippocrit!
Yee without sin cast the first stone...Ponce!

I agree, sin is sin, no matter what the ethnicity.
Those that single out "Jews" (Zionists, etc) and complain about their "sins", are JUST AS GUILTY themselves of sin, perhaps it's just not their PARTICULAR "BRAND" of sin but SIN IS SIN in God's eyes!!


Ponce, you have no need to fret over any "Jewish" people and their particular sins, the time of JACOB'S TROUBLE is coming and God will deal with the Jews personally!

You need to get saved, Jesus saves and salvation is in him ALONE!
You will give an account for YOURSELF, not any "Jew"

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Romans 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

2 Corinthians 10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.

Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Jeremiah 30:7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.

[Celtic Rogue]

I am all for killing those that would do harm against anyone.... But to be so narrow minded to believe that an entire group of people are equally guilty for the actions of a few is verging on a mental disease. The same disease that ALL religious fanatics are infected with!

Anyone who would blame an entire group of people for the actions of a minority is a BIGOT! Plain and simple. You come here spouting thousand year old fairytale scriptures believing that you are holier than the rest and have the moral high ground.

The truth be told you and your ilk are no different than the muslim extremists! Just like those christian extremists that shoot doctors for doing their job, or those that would ruin servicemen's funerals with their hatred. You are the true sinners that distort a faith and vent your ignorant anger at innocent people just because you think your god demands it of you to be saved!

Hatred should be focused on those that actually are the perpetrators of violence and not the entire group. You claim to follow christ yet you spew your garbage of killing for killing sake... no different than the muslim extremists!

The scriptures say that God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked" (Ezek. 33:11),

You seem to have great pleasure in the death of the wicked!

"A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned" -- Jesus (Matt. 12:35-37).

Your mind is bringing forth evil things from your heart. You WILL be judged on the day of judgement!

You are so blinded by your hate that you ignore the words you so closely venerate!

[Serpo]

This hate thread maybe shorter than the last 9 pager..............

[Ponce]

Many forget that under the color of skin we all look alike........it does not matter what you are but who you are......if we were all the same we would be in heaven instead of Earth and the difference between all of us is what makes Earth possible...am I crazy? could be and that's why I happily live away from everyone.....I don't make trouble, people brings me trouble.

V

[Serpo]

Ponce they want to save you from something.............

[Serpo]

This is disturbing knowing these filthy muslims are here in America and Canada to murder innocent people.
These barbarians are only using islam as an excuse to murder.
This leroy punk from Canada just happens, one day, to read the koran and then decides to go to Syria and fight for ISIS and then comes home to murder people on his own turf. When just a few months before he knew nothing about islam....insane!!
An insight to the mentallity of the negroe gibsmedat's who would rather pillage and plunder than earn an honest living.
Hopefully a sniper takes the punk leroy out with a 50 cal and splits the punks head in two.


Get your ammo up to speed and get a carry permit.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8TLu514EgU#t=110

HT from other thread


This is disturbing knowing these filthy Christians are here in Afghanistan and Iraq to murder innocent people.
These barbarians are only using Christianity as an excuse to murder.
This infidel from the USA just happens, one day, to read the bible and then decides to go to Iraq and fight for USMC and then comes home to murder people on his own turf. When just a few months before he knew nothing about Christainaty....insane!!
An insight to the mentallity of the white Gibs-Me-Dat who would rather pillage and plunder than earn an honest living.
Hopefully a sniper takes the infidel out with a Dragunov and splits the infidels head in two.

[expat4ever]

I have to say HT nailed it right there..


I'd also point out that if anyone is here in the US to do harm to us then they were let in by the Gov. I've lived here my whole life and never have I seen the problems that we are seeing today.. Those problems werent grown here in the US they were let in.

9/11 = Gov failure. regardless of who did 9/11, there was a complete breakdown of Gov protections that were supposed to be in place.

How do they repair their failures? Implement the patirot act and take away our rights. Spend 10 trillion on a war with a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 and also spend 1.5 trillion to implement DHS,TSA ect..
So after all those trillions, problem solved right? Wrong, borders are still wide open and now they say terrorists are here in the US? Only because of more Gov failure and its done on purpose to take away even more rights.
The sheep will beg gov to pull over every car, truck, everything and ask for papers before all this is over.
Rather than demand an investigation into how 9/11 really went down, we went and started a war. All smoke and mirrors and the prize was for them was our loss of liberty.

[Serpo]

Its REVOLUTION TIME..........

[7th trump]

I am all for killing those that would do harm against anyone.... But to be so narrow minded to believe that an entire group of people are equally guilty for the actions of a few is verging on a mental disease. The same disease that ALL religious fanatics are infected with!

Anyone who would blame an entire group of people for the actions of a minority is a BIGOT! Plain and simple. You come here spouting thousand year old fairytale scriptures believing that you are holier than the rest and have the moral high ground.

The truth be told you and your ilk are no different than the muslim extremists! Just like those christian extremists that shoot doctors for doing their job, or those that would ruin servicemen's funerals with their hatred. You are the true sinners that distort a faith and vent your ignorant anger at innocent people just because you think your god demands it of you to be saved!

Hatred should be focused on those that actually are the perpetrators of violence and not the entire group. You claim to follow christ yet you spew your garbage of killing for killing sake... no different than the muslim extremists!

The scriptures say that God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked" (Ezek. 33:11),

You seem to have great pleasure in the death of the wicked!

"A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned" -- Jesus (Matt. 12:35-37).

Your mind is bringing forth evil things from your heart. You WILL be judged on the day of judgement!

You are so blinded by your hate that you ignore the words you so closely venerate!

Ahhh yes...lets examine Ezek 33:11 to see if Celtic is actually being honest.....seems hes a bit dishonest about his chosen scripture....so lets examine this scripture to see what Celtic leaving out.


11 Say to them, ‘As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign Lord, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! Why will you die, people of Israel?’

Wow, for a guy who has an agnostic view of scripture you sure know how to cherry pick what you want to everyone to beleive and what you don't want them to beleive....deceptive leading wouldn't you say?
Lucifer would be proud of you mudding Gods clean water with filth.
Ahh yes...I was correct in what God says about the wicked....like I said He doesn't want to have to destroy this children who are wicked, but if they don't turn from their wicked ways they will die....God says in the scripture the wicked will perish if they don't turn from their wicked ways.
This is a far cry from what picture Celtic is painting of me.
I said it from the beginning that GoD doesn't want to have to destroy anyone....but He will...and it'll happen!
Celtic you've been found to be dishonest...a liar!
Dishonesty is one of the seven sins that'll get you a one way trip to destruction (into the pit).

[Celtic Rogue]

Ahhh yes...lets examine Ezek 33:11 to see if Celtic is actually being honest.....seems hes a bit dishonest about his chosen scripture....so lets examine this scripture to see what Celtic leaving out.

11 Say to them, ‘As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign Lord, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! Why will you die, people of Israel?’


Wow, for a guy who has an agnostic view of scripture you sure know how to cherry pick what you want to everyone to read and what you don't want them to read....deceptive leading wouldn't you say?
Ahh yes...I was correct in what God says about the wicked....like I said He doesn't want to have to destroy this children who are wicked, but if they don't turn from their wicked ways they will die....God says in the scripture the wicked will perish if they don't turn from their wicked ways.
This is a far cry from what picture Celtic is painting of me.
I said it from the beginning that GoD doesn't want to have to destroy anyone....but He will...and it'll happen!
Celtic you've been found to be dishonest...a liar!
Dishonesty is one of the seven sins that'll get you a one way trip to destruction (into the pit).

Your attempt to call me a liar is baseless and a joke! ROFL!!! 8-( NOTHING that I have said is a lie of any kind. You think because in you mind something is so .... that makes it so? Tell me what my lie was supposed to have been?

You have delusions and your insanity is showing. You are wicked whether you want to believe it or not.

I used the scriptures that applied to the topic... If that is cherry picking then so be it. Is that not what you do when you post scriptures? You select scriptures that make your point dont you?

I disagree however! It changes nothing I dont need your hebrew verse .. as your own words are enough, You gleefully said... Give me some SS nazi soldiers and you would wipe out innocent muslim men, women and children. If that is not wicked I do not know what is. You profess to follow christ... yet you never have anything but hatred in your posts.

Oh... and by the way there is no {pit} or the devil! Its just a bedtime tale to scare little children!

I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who despitefully use you and persecute you, so that you may become sons of your Father in Heaven. For He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust!” (Matt 5:44-45).

I dont believe that for a second... But I dont proclaim my faith in christ. If a person is my enemy... then they are wanting to cause me harm. I cannot show love to them. The rest is a noble way of living.

So are you following the way of christs words or not. Cant be both ways. By having hate for the muslims you are going against scripture. (like in the above scripture)

[7th trump]

Your attempt to call me a liar is baseless and a joke! ROFL!!! 8-( NOTHING that I have said is a lie of any kind. You think because in you mind something is so .... that makes it so? Tell me what my lie was supposed to have been?

You have delusions and your insanity is showing. You are wicked whether you want to believe it or not.

I used the scriptures that applied to the topic... If that is cherry picking then so be it. Is that not what you do when you post scriptures? You select scriptures that make your point dont you?

I disagree however! It changes nothing I dont need your hebrew verse .. as your own words are enough, You gleefully said... Give me some SS nazi soldiers and you would wipe out innocent muslim men, women and children. If that is not wicked I do not know what is. You profess to follow christ... yet you never have anything but hatred in your posts.

Oh... and by the way there is no {pit} or the devil! Its just a bedtime tale to scare little children!

I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who despitefully use you and persecute you, so that you may become sons of your Father in Heaven. For He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust!” (Matt 5:44-45).

I dont believe that for a second... But I dont proclaim my faith in christ. If a person is my enemy... then they are wanting to cause me harm. I cannot show love to them. The rest is a noble way of living.

So are you following the way of christs words or not. Cant be both ways. By having hate for the muslims you are going against scripture. (like in the above scripture)
You're a hoot celtic........yep there is no pit ....YET!
The pit will open after the thousand year rule with a rod iron which is just before satan is released for a short season...then the pit is open after his short season of testing those who didn't make the first cut and all that do not overcome or believe ....are thrown into the pit and destroyed (uncreated)....and all memory of those who didn't over come are erased from the memory of the living....not one sad face in heaven as the memory of those loved ones who didn't make it are wiped.

And nice to see that your views are not agnostic but atheist in nature....again you're not honest.

Ive never seen an agnostic use the scripture like atheists do.
You don't fool me celtic.

Why do you convolute scripture....ezek 33:11 does indeed say God doesn't take pleasure in killing His creation....but that scripture certainly says they will die if they don't repent and change their ways.
Some people just cant handle the truth...and you are one of them celtic...a shame yes...but you cant handle the truth.

Oh I'm very well within scripture bud....the muslims are an enemy...and islam will not be in heaven.

[Serpo]

Im a bit new to bible quoting so forgive me if I get a few things wrong.................




"For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded, Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken. No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the Lord made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God." (Leviticus 21:18-21)



He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord."(Deuteronomy 23:1)



"When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her." (Deuteronomy 25:11-12)




"But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." (Matthew 5:39)



"Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones." (Psalm 137:9)



One who blasphemes the name of the LORD shall be put to death; the whole congregation shall stone the blasphemer. Aliens as well as citizens, when they blaspheme the Name, shall be put to death. (NRSV)
Leviticus 24:16


Anyone who dishonors father or mother must be put to death. Such a person is guilty of a capital offense. (NLT)
Leviticus 20:9


You have six days each week for your ordinary work, but the seventh day must be a Sabbath day of complete rest, a holy day dedicated to the LORD. Anyone who works on that day must be put to death. (NLT)
Exodus 35:2

If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them. (NRSV)
Leviticus 20:13



“If any man takes a wife, and goes in to her, and detests her, and charges her with shameful conduct, and brings a bad name on her, and says, ‘I took this woman, and when I came to her I found she was not a virgin,’ … and evidences of virginity are not found for the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones … (NKJV)
Deuteronomy 22:13-14,20-21



how am I doing 7th , some quotes from the beloved bible ................

I didnt realise how similar to the Koran it is.....killing stoning death ect, how come we never hear these sorts of bible quotes from you guys or are you just being selective to suit your own agenda.

[Celtic Rogue]

Why do you convolute scripture....ezek 33:11 does indeed say God doesn't take pleasure in killing His creation....but that scripture certainly says they will die if they don't repent and change their ways.
Some people just cant handle the truth...and you are one of them celtic...a shame yes...but you cant handle the truth.


What I stated with the scripture still holds. You are not following the word of god. Your hypocritical views are what is convoluted.


but that scripture certainly says they will die if they don't repent and change their ways.

This is you that they are talking about.... not myself! I am not the one preaching violence against innocent children and blaming entire groups of people for the actions of an extremist minority! I abhor violence and destruction of the innocent.


Some people just cant handle the truth...and you are one of them celtic.

LOL Truth??? What TRUTH? I know what truth is... Its something that can be quantified and proved. What you profess is something you have to die to find out whether or not it is true. There is no way to quantify spiritual things. Sounds like a scam to me! Every religion in the history of mankind has disappeared! Why because people finally saw through the lies and stopped believing. Trying to pursued people that what you are professing here is the "truth".... is not exactly the truth either! Nothing you say in regard to the scriptures can be proven to be true!

Blessed are the merciful, for they will obtain mercy!

Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God!

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called Sons of God.

Lets see...

1. Merciful? Nope! wants to kill innocent muslims, men women and children
2. Pure in heart? Nope! Anyone that has glee in calling for people to be killed is not "pure in heart"!
3. Peacemaker? Nope! Calling for innocent peoples deaths is not being a peace maker!

Three strikes your out! Looks like that pit you spoke of will be opening up and swallowing you! You and satan are going to get along well! Who knows you might even get to get ro see some old SS soldiers down there too!

[crimethink]

Those who quote from the Old Testament often do not understand a key aspect: it is historical record, not necessarily commandments for today. Much of the harshness of the Old Testament must be understood in context. Christ amended most of that harshness. Further, when considered in context, the Old Testament introduced a form of human rights contemporary for its time. Slaves, foreigners, women & children: other cultures ascribed them no rights or respect whatsoever. God commanded the Israelites to give them a higher level of respect than the neighbors of the Israelites. For example, as repugnant as it might be to us today for the Old Testament to order a rapist to marry his victim, other cultures ascribed no such responsibility to her. A rape victim of those times usually could not find a man to take her, which meant the shame of spinstership, or even exile & death. If you attempt to compare the ways of 3000 years with today, you are being dishonest.

However, for the Quran, all that is in the Quran remains fully-valid as when it was written by Muhammad over 1300 years ago. No amendments occurred. No New Testament. Taking the sword to innocents was the order of the day. And the order of the day now.

For a Christian, force is always the last resort. Never the first option. Nor the second option. We forgive slights. We overlook challenges to honor. We negotiate with others, trying to convince them to be reasonable. We do not simply slaughter everyone and "let God sort them out." However, this does not mean we do not defend our families and ourselves if rabidly attacked. Understand Christ did not order Peter to throw his sword away, but put it back in its place (sheathed, on his hip - Matthew 26:52). Understand that Christ ordered us to arm ourselves even if sacrifice is required to do it (Luke 22:36).

American foreign policy has for too long - well, actually, since the beginning, with minor exceptions under, for example, President Jefferson - one of "might makes right." This foreign policy has been driven by lust for money and power. The influence of dual citizens of pretend Israel did not create this wickedness - it only enhanced it.

[7th trump]

Hahahahaha...leave the interpretations to someone who can understand them....as in knowing the "subject" from the "object".

Psalm 137:9 is not about little infant baby's....its about Babylon being paid back for her sins....its a parable if you hadn't figured it out...which you didn't...... because you didn't pick up the subject by reading whats written previous of that verse.
You're a fool to just cherry pick pieces and parts instead of reading the whole thing.

You embarrass yourself....... You show the same ignorance of the scriptures as does celtic.

[Celtic Rogue]

{yawn}... same old overblown ego pontificating about how only you can quote scriptures the "right" way! LOL When you can prove what you are asking me to believe then I will have more to say!

The Bible says, "Pride goeth before a fall and a haughty spirit before destruction". (Proverbs 16:18) How true that is! Pride in anything especially scriptural knowledge causes overconfidence which triggers the downfall.

You really have been sold a pack of lies that make your heart hard and cold.

You say you follow christ... yet you profess all that he is against?

Stop painting a turd orange and trying to make me believe that it is sherbert! Also I am agnostic... I dont know what is true. I will keep searching! You on the other hand are running through life with eyes closed... as you think you already know everything! Trust me there is some room for growth no matter who you are!

[expat4ever]

I'm not very well versed in this kinda stuff. I just follow a couple simple rules.. One of them is thou shalt not kill.
I believe god will make an exception if its in self defense. I dont believ pre-emptive offense is what he had in mind for self defense.

If god wants his creation killed I think he wants to be the one to do it. No need for us mere mortals to argue over this or judge others. Love thy neighbor as your brother for we are all brothers inside like it or not.

[expat4ever]

Its REVOLUTION TIME.......... I agree but I think its 100 years to late. Dancing with the stars is on or the voice or some other shit to keep people dumbed down. They control the information and there isnt much hope of waking up the 300 million zombies we have out there.

[7th trump]

{yawn}... same old overblown ego pontificating about how only you can quote scriptures the "right" way! LOL When you can prove what you are asking me to believe then I will have more to say!

The Bible says, "Pride goeth before a fall and a haughty spirit before destruction". (Proverbs 16:18) How true that is! Pride in anything especially scriptural knowledge causes overconfidence which triggers the downfall.

You really have been sold a pack of lies that make your heart hard and cold.

You say you follow christ... yet you profess all that he is against?

Stop painting a turd orange and trying to make me believe that it is sherbert! Also I am agnostic... I dont know what is true. I will keep searching! You on the other hand are running through life with eyes closed... as you think you already know everything! Trust me there is some room for growth no matter who you are!
Don't know what your silly problem is but go read some of the quoted scriptures you and serpo have posted and see if they are actually what you think they are or mean.
Don't forget that some of these verses are in parable form...they are that's way to keep the self inflicted ignorant types in the dark. Its purposely done that way to test if you are strong or weak in seeking your salvation (faith) without the help of any rule of a rod of iron.....that is if you even make it that far...you may not qualify to be ruled with a rod of iron...but sit out that 1000 years waiting for your destruction.

Look celtic...I could careless if you are agnostic....that's your decision. I'm not hear to put lipstick on a pig.
Trust me...I'm in no way trying to convert you or any other agnostic or atheist....What I have said is exactly whats going to happen.
There will be no other gods before the Creator.
You can only get salvation through Christ.

Muslims as they believe will not attain salvation...they follow one of satan's many religions....they do not believe Christ is the way to salvation. What they believe about Christ is hes just another minor prophet which muhammad is above....and they will slay any Christian just for being Christian...they are murderers.

[Cebu_4_2]

I agree but I think its 100 years to late. Dancing with the stars is on or the voice or some other shit to keep people dumbed down. They control the information and there isnt much hope of waking up the 300 million zombies we have out there.

Nailed it bro. If you do social media sites you know what I mean. People might look at my posts but only reply to doggies or cats or other dumb shit, they fear posting comments to anything regarding the joos or the military or leadership. It could also be scrubbed but I doubt it.

[Ares]

Its purposely done that way to test if you are strong or weak in seeking your salvation


LOL god loves you, but you have to prove you're not an idiot to be worthy of his love..

You Christians are just as bad as those scary Muslims.


You can only get salvation through Christ.

What a complete crock of bullshit. I'm surprised anyone falls for this anymore. So a tribe deep in the amazon who has no idea who Jesus is or Christianity for that matter are damned to hell and won't be saved because they don't know the word of god? Really?? Who comes up with this shit? :rolleyes:

The bible was written by men for the control of men. Control a mans faith you control his devotion. Control a mans money control his nation. Systems of control is all they are. With faith as well as money you get to choose your system. The game is rigged no matter which one you choose.

[Serpo]

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[expat4ever]

If you can only get salvation through Christ then what happened to all the people who lived beffore his time, say for 100,000 years or so before him?

[Serpo]

Aren't Christianity, Judaism and Islam basically the same? How much archaeological evidence is there of similar teachings in the past?

Among countless arguments that keep recurring almost on a daily basis, specially in the middle-east, many are centered around the constant conflict between the Abrahamic religions. I found it strange that whole centuries were not enough for humans to reach some conclusions, perhaps because we are all, to some extent, biased. People simply ignored, and in some cases resented, what they didn't konw. The media played a significant role in further increasing the gap using inflaming language, fabricated and biased news while ignoring or hiding historic and concrete facts altogether.

Apparently, Jews denied Christians and Muslims, Christians denied Muslims and Jews, and Muslims denied Christians and Jews. Nowadays, many people are conditioned to take sides without even thinking. One puzzling point is that some people turned other religions to a forbidden knowledge instead of encouraging people to know. Thus, they seem to prefer keeping people ignorant rather than letting them form an opinion on their own.

I don't know if someone has contributed to any sort of worldwide work that deals with the basic similarities between the Abrahamic religions, specially the beliefs. Thus, I invite everyone who is willing to share what they know about: the similarities between the Abrahamic religions, the archaeological evidence regarding them and what you think whether any human, organization or government nowadays has any right to turn any of the Abrahamic religions to a forbidden knowledge.


http://www.ted.com/conversations/13303/aren_t_christianity_judaism_a.html






DO ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY HAVE DIFFERENT ORIGINS?


Art. #7: DO ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY HAVE DIFFERENT ORIGINS? No. Together with Judaism, they go back to the Prophet and patriarch Abraham, and their three prophets are directly descended from his sons – Muhammad from the eldest, Ishmael, and Moses and Jesus from Isaac. Abraham established the settlement which today is the city of Makkah, and built the Ka’abah towards which all Muslims turn when they pray.

REBUTTAL: There are several commonalities between Islam, Christianity, and Judaism. All three religions were born in the Middle East and trace their roots to Abraham. Jews trace their blood lineage and Christians their spiritual lineage to Abraham and to Isaac, the son of Abraham and Sara. Islam traces its lineage through Ishmael, the son of Abraham and the servant girl Hagar. And, many stories of the Koran have their roots in the Bible and all three religions consider Jerusalem as a Holy City. However, the origins of Islam are those as manufactured by one man, Muhammad. He appointed himself as Allah’s last and most perfect prophet, and as such, he could do no wrong, even when committing his numerous crimes. See "Allah vs Jehovah" in the Archives.


http://www.allaboutmuhammad.com/do-islam-and-christianity-have-different-origins.html


So they all have something in common , Abraham ...........


http://www.biblebc.com/ChurchInfo/MensRetreat/2012/Abraham%20Friend%20of%20God2.jpg (http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&docid=HDfqXBNHgcpl5M&tbnid=qKsyBDFH7fNHGM:&ved=0CAgQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.biblebc.com%2Fmusic%2FAbraham %2520Song.html&ei=lD0qVOuaC9DN8gXypYKIAQ&psig=AFQjCNH_r2jdaGUUlyhZknYE_XaS3elExg&ust=1412140820299818)




Its all here...........http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham

It was a while ago ,it must still be relevant today the way people carry on.

The Bible's internal chronology places Abraham around 2000 BCE.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham#cite_note-FOOTNOTEShea2000248-4) Despite this, "there is nothing specific in the Genesis stories that can be definitively related to known history in or around Canaan in the early second millennium B.C.E.".[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham#cite_note-FOOTNOTEMcNutt199941-5) As a result, "it is now widely agreed that the so-called 'patriarchal/ancestral period' is a later literary construct, not a period in the actual history of the ancient world" (Professor Paula McNutt),[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham#cite_note-FOOTNOTEMcNutt199942-6) and the majority of scholars believe that the Pentateuch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentateuch) was composed in the Persian period (roughly 520–320 BCE),


Like kids fighting in the same family

Its amazing how the past is so much more important then today.

[Serpo]

If you can only get salvation through Christ then what happened to all the people who lived beffore his time, say for 100,000 years or so before him?

see above your post

[crimethink]

So a tribe deep in the amazon who has no idea who Jesus is or Christianity for that matter are damned to hell and won't be saved because they don't know the word of god? Really??


People are held to account only for what they know and understand. God expects that all will abide by basic universal standards - do not commit malum in se crimes, e.g., murder. As for knowledge of a Creator, Paul addresses that at Romans 1:19-20. You cannot be held accountable for acceptance of Jesus Christ unless you know who He is and what He stands for. This is why infant baptism is nonsense.




The bible was written by men for the control of men. Control a mans faith you control his devotion. Control a mans money control his nation. Systems of control is all they are. With faith as well as money you get to choose your system. The game is rigged no matter which one you choose.

Religion was invented by men to control men. Solution? Dispense with religion. Deal directly with God Himself. That's what He sent His Son to tell us all. Whether it's Pharisees, Imams, or plain old priests, dispense with them.

[crimethink]

Aren't Christianity, Judaism and Islam basically the same?


Aren't the Bill of Rights of the Constitution of the United States, the declaration of rights of the Constitution of the Soviet Union, and the declaration of rights of the Constitution of Zimbabwe basically the same?

See how absurd that is?




DO ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY HAVE DIFFERENT ORIGINS?

Art. #7: DO ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY HAVE DIFFERENT ORIGINS? No.


Uh, yes.

There is unbroken linkage between the Books of Moses and the New Testament.

Muhammad simply picked and chose from available mythology and literature to create his own "holy" book. Many have done this, including Joseph Smith of Mormonism. Muhammad used a foundation of Arabic moon god worship, and applied his own lusts and dreams, with what he figured would be popular additions from the Bible and the Talmud.




So they all have something in common , Abraham ...........


Guess what! All religions have something in common: human beings!

[Ares]

Religion was invented by men to control men. Solution? Dispense with religion. Deal directly with God Himself. That's what He sent His Son to tell us all. Whether it's Pharisees, Imams, or plain old priests, dispense with them.

Agreed wholeheartedly there. I know there is a creator, I don't need a man made religion to worship or communicate with him.

[Celtic Rogue]

Dont you know the earth is only 6000 years old and all the people less Noah and his family were killed off in the great flood. 8-)

[mick silver]

so if god is not from are of this earth were did he come from ?

[Horn]

so if god is not from are of this earth were did he come from ?

Quit asking me in public like this, go here.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Roman%20Catholicism/confessional.jpg

[7th trump]

Dont you know the earth is only 6000 years old and all the people less Noah and his family were killed off in the great flood. 8-)

Nope........not according to the Bible its not 6000 years old......its billions of years old.

In the begining God created the earth and every living thing....then it became void...after billions of years.
It became void because of lucifers revolt...so God destroyed that earth age and brought in the current earth age where we are in the flesh.
The 1st earth age had dino's....all animals were of the flesh....we were in an angelic body.
God destroyed the first earth ge with a global flood....Noahs flood was a seperate flood to rid the earth of the giant hybrids between flesh humans and the fallen angels.

[Hitch]

Quit asking me in public like this, go here.

Would you prefer to change your username to HyperHorn, or HornTiger?

[Neuro]

Nope........not according to the Bible its not 6000 years old......its billions of years old.

In the begining God created the earth and every living thing....then it became void...after billions of years.
It became void because of lucifers revolt...so God destroyed that earth age and brought in the current earth age where we are in the flesh.
The 1st earth age had dino's....all animals were of the flesh....we were in an angelic body.
God destroyed the first earth ge with a global flood....Noahs flood was a seperate flood to rid the earth of the giant hybrids between flesh humans and the fallen angels.
So you are saying the dinosaur remains are billions of years old while others claim they are only a few thousand years old?

[Horn]

God destroyed the first earth ge with a global flood....Noahs flood was a seperate flood to rid the earth of the giant hybrids between flesh humans and the fallen angels.

Trump is arguing for God's exclusive right to perform abortion in the above passages.

[7th trump]

So you are saying the dinosaur remains are billions of years old while others claim they are only a few thousand years old?
What I'm saying is the earth is billions of years old just as science proves (the Bible supports science)...and everyone whos been here in the past, present and future were there in that 1st earth age then along with the dino's. We were all there.
The second earth age rougly started 15,000 years ago.....they've found cave paintings with humans riding dino's in south west United States...and recently they found soft tissue in a dino's bone suggesting they were living not that long ago....all of which the bible says is true.

[7th trump]

Trump is arguing for God's exclusive right to perform abortion in the above passages.

I'm not argueing anything....go read the Bible for yourself.

[Celtic Rogue]

I'm not argueing anything....go read the Bible for yourself.

Which bible... there are many versions and translations. If it was really the word of god it would need no translation as the word of god being all powerful wouldn't it render itself to the reader no matter his tongue or nationality! The mere fact that certain books were omited in the Council of Nicea shows this is more mans words than gods! There were many books of supposed prophets floating around up until 312 CE when the Council of Nicea decided which books were scripture and which ones were burned.

Thanks to the notorious habit of early Christian leaders of destroying books/scrolls, we may never know what doctrine existed before the Council of Nicea.

They did what governments do today keeping the optics and narrative in line with the agenda. And that agenda was control of the masses!

[crimethink]

Dont you know the earth is only 6000 years old and all the people less Noah and his family were killed off in the great flood. 8-)

The first was based on a centuries-old error assuming "In the Beginning" occurred in 4004 BC. The Bible doesn't actually say that, of course.

As for Noah and his flood, we can't be sure exactly what he and his family encountered and lived through. Was the "world" destroyed the same as our world, or the same as "all the world should be taxed" in Jesus' time? We do know from anthropology/archaeology that there are "great flood" myths worldwide, and, geology has shown us worldwide evidence of a cataclysmic event or events involving water in both liquid and frozen forms.

[Ares]

Council of Nicea was also another red flag for me when I was researching the origins of Christianity. The Book of Enoch reads like a modern day science fiction novel.

[crimethink]

so if god is not from are of this earth were did he come from ?

That is something we do not know, and may never know, as we are beings created by Him, and can never be His equal.

Imagine our universe as a "virtual reality" created by God. Everything you see and feel - including yourself - is "frozen" energy. The Mind of God holds it all together in material form.

[crimethink]

Nope........not according to the Bible its not 6000 years old......its billions of years old.

In the begining God created the earth and every living thing....then it became void...after billions of years.
It became void because of lucifers revolt...so God destroyed that earth age and brought in the current earth age where we are in the flesh.
The 1st earth age had dino's....all animals were of the flesh....we were in an angelic body.
God destroyed the first earth ge with a global flood....Noahs flood was a seperate flood to rid the earth of the giant hybrids between flesh humans and the fallen angels.

The Bible does not address the age of the Earth. It is ephemeral, superfluous. And much of what you claim in the above paragraph is apocryphal, not Biblical. There is no Biblical evidence of human pre-existence prior to conception, except as an idea in the Mind of God.

[crimethink]

What I'm saying is the earth is billions of years old just as science proves (the Bible supports science)...and everyone whos been here in the past, present and future were there in that 1st earth age then along with the dino's. We were all there.
The second earth age rougly started 15,000 years ago.....they've found cave paintings with humans riding dino's in south west United States...and recently they found soft tissue in a dino's bone suggesting they were living not that long ago....all of which the bible says is true.

Many Creation scientists claim that science proves a Young Earth. Some of the evidence they present involves radioactive decay, and claim that it proves "billions of years" is nonsense. Radioactive elements have known decay rates, and one can extrapolate age by analyzing metamorphosis into other elements.

I am an "agnostic" as pertains to how old the Earth is. Like I said earlier, it doesn't matter. We are here, God loves us, God gave us guidelines to live, we ignored Him, but He didn't stop trying as any good parent does. 6000 or 6,000,000,000 - doesn't matter.

[crimethink]

Which bible... there are many versions and translations. If it was really the word of god it would need no translation as the word of god being all powerful wouldn't it render itself to the reader no matter his tongue or nationality! The mere fact that certain books were omited in the Council of Nicea shows this is more mans words than gods! There were many books of supposed prophets floating around up until 312 CE when the Council of Nicea decided which books were scripture and which ones were burned.

Thanks to the notorious habit of early Christian leaders of destroying books/scrolls, we may never know what doctrine existed before the Council of Nicea.

They did what governments do today keeping the optics and narrative in line with the agenda. And that agenda was control of the masses!

One must keep in mind the Word of God is Jesus Christ Himself (John 1:1). Anyone who claims written literature is "the" Word of God is either ignorant, or lying. The Bible exists to enlighten us to God, not to be worshiped. Christ explained how dogma destroys, and relieved us of that burden (Matthew 11:30).

[Celtic Rogue]

The first was based on a centuries-old error assuming "In the Beginning" occurred in 4004 BC. The Bible doesn't actually say that, of course.

As for Noah and his flood, we can't be sure exactly what he and his family encountered and lived through. Was the "world" destroyed the same as our world, or the same as "all the world should be taxed" in Jesus' time? We do know from anthropology/archaeology that there are "great flood" myths worldwide, and, geology has shown us worldwide evidence of a cataclysmic event or events involving water in both liquid and frozen forms.

Yes I know... I was joking around actually. Reference the smiley face 8-) Yes the fact that the flood myth was present in many lands and cultures is interesting... however I would not go as far as to say that god flooded the planet to destroy giants!

[crimethink]

Council of Nicea was also another red flag for me when I was researching the origins of Christianity. The Book of Enoch reads like a modern day science fiction novel.

Although the Book of Enoch is excluded from "official" canon, it appears the Book of Jude, part of "official" canon, quoted from it at Jude 1:14.

I think God "allows" men to argue over what "should be" the Bible merely to sort people out based on their actions. People that worship the Bible failed to learn the lessons Jesus taught about the Pharisees, the Sadducees, and scribes, men who were so proud of their "perfected knowledge."

[crimethink]

Yes I know... I was joking around actually. Reference the smiley face 8-) Yes the fact that the flood myth was present in many lands and cultures is interesting... however I would not go as far as to say that god flooded the planet to destroy giants!

A planetary flood is very hard to envision, but a movie like 2012 did a good job of making that vision easier.

The legend of the Nephilim is central to the story of Noah's world. Many believe that interbreeding between humans and the Nephilim became so pervasive, and the wickedness resulting so intense that God simply decided to wipe the slate clean. The Bible does say Noah was selected for salvation because he was "perfect in his generations." In modern terms, he was "racially pure." So, in modern terminology, God engaged in mass "ethnic cleansing."

[Horn]

In modern terms, he was "racially pure." So, in modern terminology, God engaged in mass "ethnic cleansing."

Would that equate to Noah being the least originally sinful, or most originally sinful?

Reason for a second baptism by flood possibly.

[Blink]

It all started with the Anunnaki, everyone knows that.....

[7th trump]

A planetary flood is very hard to envision, but a movie like 2012 did a good job of making that vision easier.

The legend of the Nephilim is central to the story of Noah's world. Many believe that interbreeding between humans and the Nephilim became so pervasive, and the wickedness resulting so intense that God simply decided to wipe the slate clean. The Bible does say Noah was selected for salvation because he was "perfect in his generations." In modern terms, he was "racially pure." So, in modern terminology, God engaged in mass "ethnic cleansing."

In the first earth age (before Lucifer revolt) there were no oceans.
At that time the firmament (water) surrounded the earth and earth was watered with a heavy dew (not rain). There wasn't really darkness with the firmament in place. The firmament glowed from the sun and earth was a tropical warm paradise.
Since then the firmament has come down to earth and filled most of the earth. This firmament will be replaced once again above earth as earth is rejuvenated to its 1st earth age state once all this testing is over.
Don't believe the word of God....then why is there a huge pyramid found off the coast of Cuba under roughly 800ft of ocean?

One more thing crimethink.....humans didn't mate with the nephilim....the humans (flesh body) mated with the fallen angels (spiritual body) resulting in the giant nephilim which God wiped clean with a flood.
The nephilim were the offspring of angels and flesh mating....these same fallen angels of Noahs time are coming once again to mate once more with the flesh humans...they are also kicked to earth with Lucifer by Micheal.

[Cebu_4_2]

Will the earth shrink again also?

[crimethink]

Would that equate to Noah being the least originally sinful, or most originally sinful?


God chose Noah because He considered him the only one worthy and salvageable. And who would listen to Him.

[crimethink]

In the first earth age (before Lucifer revolt) there were no oceans.
At that time the firmament (water) surrounded the earth and earth was watered with a heavy dew (not rain). There wasn't really darkness with the firmament in place. The firmament glowed from the sun and earth was a tropical warm paradise.
Since then the firmament has come down to earth and filled most of the earth. This firmament will be replaced once again above earth as earth is rejuvenated to its 1st earth age state once all this testing is over.
Don't believe the word of God....then why is there a huge pyramid found off the coast of Cuba under roughly 800ft of ocean?

One more thing crimethink.....humans didn't mate with the nephilim....the humans (flesh body) mated with the fallen angels (spiritual body) resulting in the giant nephilim which God wiped clean with a flood.
The nephilim were the offspring of angels and flesh mating....these same fallen angels of Noahs time are coming once again to mate once more with the flesh humans...they are also kicked to earth with Lucifer by Micheal.

It is extra-Biblical (that is, outside of the Bible) esotericism to believe there was an "age before Lucifer's revolt." I believe that idea is from the Gnostics.

I know about the firmament model, and believe that it was part of what caused Noah's flood. It explains why there are palm trees, etc. buried in ice in the Arctic and Antarctic (atheists claim the continents moved them there). The legends of Atlantis, Lemuria, and the unexplainable artifacts we find (such as those in the Caribbean you cite) are the dead remains of Noah's world.

As for whether the offspring of the Sons of God and the daughters of men subsequently mated with humans, I believe that Noah's nature of being "perfect in his generations" indicates that is true. He was not genetically polluted by "Nephilim genes."

[crimethink]

Will the earth shrink again also?

Shrink? I don't understand.

God said the second end of the world will be with fire. Nuclear weapons, a mega-CME, or something directly divine, who knows?

[Horn]

God chose Noah because He considered him the only one worthy and salvageable. And who would listen to Him.

Noah must've been least originally sinful (or least human) then.

[crimethink]

Noah must've been least originally sinful (or least human) then.

Only One Human has been sinless - Jesus Christ. Of course Noah made errors in his life; all other humans do. But he was willing to do the righteous thing, at least most of the time!

[Horn]

Only One Human has been sinless - Jesus Christ. Of course Noah made errors in his life; all other humans do. But he was willing to do the righteous thing, at least most of the time!

If he were righteous he would've chucked himself overboard after floating all the animals.

[expat4ever]

This is disturbing knowing these filthy muslims are here in America and Canada to murder innocent people.
These barbarians are only using islam as an excuse to murder.
This leroy punk from Canada just happens, one day, to read the koran and then decides to go to Syria and fight for ISIS and then comes home to murder people on his own turf. When just a few months before he knew nothing about islam....insane!!
An insight to the mentallity of the negroe gibsmedat's who would rather pillage and plunder than earn an honest living.
Hopefully a sniper takes the punk leroy out with a 50 cal and splits the punks head in two.


Get your ammo up to speed and get a carry permit.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8TLu514EgU#t=110
Here's one of those scary muslims. she's in Canada by the way6834

[midnight rambler]

Here's one of those scary muslims. she's in Canada by the wayhttp://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=6834&stc=1

Shit! That's close enough to invade CONUS!!!

[expat4ever]

Shit! That's close enough to invade CONUS!!!
Fortunately the Gov has the borders locked down tighter than a knats ass. Nothing to fear.

A few years back, maybe 7 or 8 now, I met a girl. She was gorgeous. Lived in Ct and worked at a furniture place.. I was buying some new beds. I took her out a couple times. She was Egyption and a muslim as well.

[Horn]

Looks like she's tinkering with some sort of explosive incendiary device...

[Cebu_4_2]

Looks like she's tinkering with some sort of explosive incendiary device...

Slightly under nourished as well, must be some time/travel device.

[7th trump]

God chose Noah because He considered him the only one worthy and salvageable. And who would listen to Him.

Wrong again.......Noah wasn't the only one on that ark.

[Hitch]

A few years back, maybe 7 or 8 now, I met a girl. She was gorgeous. Lived in Ct and worked at a furniture place.. I was buying some new beds. I took her out a couple times. She was Egyption and a muslim as well.

Any gal that sells beds is a freak. I dated one too years ago. She sold me the bed, then climbed in it with me. The store was empty at the time (thankfully).

I doubt she was muslim as she was blonde, but if she was I wouldn't have cared either.

[crimethink]

Looks like she's tinkering with some sort of explosive incendiary device...

It's a laptop with a Chinese-made Lithium Ion battery...it probably is an explosive, incendiary device! :)

[crimethink]

Wrong again.......Noah wasn't the only one on that ark.

Did you just patronize me in an utterly pathetic way?

Of course Noah wasn't the only one on the Ark. But God chose Him, not his family. Noah's family was under the umbrella of protection.

[crimethink]

If he were righteous he would've chucked himself overboard after floating all the animals.

According to the Talmud Jew Darren Aronofsky, who produced the anti-Biblical abomination called "Noah," Noah was a psychopath who wanted to butcher his entire family for their wickedness.

Sorry to anyone who hasn't seen it - that's a big spoiler.

[7th trump]

Did you just patronize me in an utterly pathetic way?

Of course Noah wasn't the only one on the Ark. But God chose Him, not his family. Noah's family was under the umbrella of protection.

not patronizing....just pointing out your errors.

[crimethink]

not patronizing....just pointing out your errors.

Are you senile?

[Shami-Amourae]

Why Westerners are turning to ISIS:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMw7YRUFQgU

[crimethink]

Why Westerners are turning to ISIS:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMw7YRUFQgU

If they want to be manly and fight against the Great Satan, go "Chris Dorner" or "Eric Rudolph" - here.

I can blame them.