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Sparky
30th September 2014, 12:04 AM
I think this story is important to follow because of its long term implications. The city of Detroit is bankrupt, and has severe revenue problems. They began shutting of water service to tens of thousands of delinquent customers. Customers brought the city to court, but the judge ruled yesterday that he has no authority to end the shutoffs.

The city is in a bind. If they were to end the shutoffs, there would be no incentive for ANY residents to pay their water bills, making the revenue problem much worse.

I wouldn't be surprised if some third party, maybe the federal government, steps in on behalf of the Detroit water customers. I think this will happen once this story gets more national attention. But regardless of who comes to the rescue, a bad precedent will be set. Many cities are in a financial bind; many would then be looking for a bail out.

I see this as being characteristic of the "collapse" that we talk about. I don't think there will be a systemic collapse. Rather, I see an increasing progression of local and regional crises and emergencies like this, involving water, food, finances/debt, health/illness, energy, and other useful items whose availability most people take for granted. These crises will vary in size and scope and duration, and it will be increasingly challenging to resolve them. The "distribution of wealth" that will be required to resolve them will result in a general decrease in standard of living. I think this is what we are prepping for, rather than a systemic collapse. The objective is to minimize our personal impact if/when one of these crises occur in our locality or region, and also to preserve our own situation when the general standard of living begins to drop.

That's why I think this makes for an interesting test case. Let's see how long it takes for the rescue to come, and who takes the financial losses, whether it be taxpayers or bondholders. Let's see if a rescue occurs in an orderly fashion, or is preceded by violence. Let's see what similar crises develop and how they are handled. Personally, I think this country has enough total resources to avoid systemic collapse, but it's going to be about how they are extracted and from whom, and whether they can be extracted and re-distributed in an orderly and timely fashion to avoid revolt. So, rather than systemic collapse, I see a hundred different local/regional crises like the Detroit water situation. I think that's what we are preparing for.

Detroit water shutoffs to continue for delinquent bill payers (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/detroit-water-shutoffs-to-continue-for-delinquent-bill-payers/)

crimethink
30th September 2014, 12:40 AM
A "collapse" vastly increases the likelihood of armed resistance en masse.

"The Slide," which we are experiencing, makes the pain less intense for less numbers at any one time, decreasing the likelihood of armed resistance.

I concur with your vision of the future.

palani
30th September 2014, 06:00 AM
The city of Detroit is bankrupt



The Congress shall have Power To...establish...uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States....
Article I, Section 8, Clause 4

Consequently any entity that is part of the United States is uniformly BANKRUPT. Most simply don't know this yet.

Shami-Amourae
30th September 2014, 06:06 AM
Don't worry. White people will pay for it.

mick silver
30th September 2014, 08:43 AM
this is going to happen in every big city then small city broke broke were I came from

Sparky
30th September 2014, 10:39 AM
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Consequently any entity that is part of the United States is uniformly BANKRUPT. Most simply don't know this yet.

Yes. But the difference is, Detroit is shutting off water to tens of thousands of customers.

Sparky
30th September 2014, 10:41 AM
Don't worry. White people will pay for it.

Yes, but which white people? The municipal bondholders, Michigan taxpayers, or U.S. taxpayers? And how will it play out?

Twisted Titan
30th September 2014, 11:37 AM
The left blames the right
The right blames the left
The poor blame the rich
The rich blAme the poor.

All the above factions demand that the state fixes it.

Thus the power and relevence of the state is increased that much more.


Socialist Engineering at its finest

madfranks
30th September 2014, 01:13 PM
I think your analysis is correct, Sparky, and now I'm very interested in seeing what happens. If I had to guess, my guess is that the pain is not yet sufficient to get the attention of DC for a bail-out. So at this point, it will either fizzle out as the Detroit people figure out how to pay for their water, learn to live with less water, or complain louder and louder until the bail out comes.

Cebu_4_2
30th September 2014, 03:52 PM
They can buy bottled water with foodstamps and forgo the water bill issue completely. I think Detroit billed the homeowner for the water so if the renter didn't pay the water dept could put a lien on the home. If that's the case then it will most likely take a huge amount of money to get the water turned back on. This is going to be an interesting game in the very near future.

Horn
30th September 2014, 04:34 PM
The feds will inform them that a welfare stipend has been setup, then require at least one member from each family be vaccinated with those west africa vaccinations.