France Cuts Social Security Payments Of 500,000 Seniors............. V

[Ponce]

Soon our turn will be.....but how about those who contributed nothing and are getting all those free benefits?
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October 01, 2014 - Once again, France’s senior citizens held large demonstrations around the country in order to protest the neoliberal economic policies of President Francois Hollande. The government just announced that some 500,000 seniors will have their social security payments lowered in the midst of the Great Recession. Purchasing power has been France’s number one concern for years, even more than their record-high unemployment. The waves of regressive taxes and social service cuts enacted by Hollande have impoverished retirees more than any other class. - See more at: http://xrepublic.tv/node/10642#sthash.CR0M1gjx.dpuf

[crimethink]

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[madfranks]

Have no doubt, means testing of social security is coming to the USA too.

[Ponce]

Get a Land Patent.........I really don't know the future anymore but I am doing what I can to fught "their" crimes.

V

[palani]

Get a Land Patent.........I really don't know the future anymore but I am doing what I can to fught "their" crimes.

V
Didn't you say there had been a tax lien event in your properties abstract? If so then the land patent might be valid but you are not in the chain of title.

Communism has abolished private property. The more you argue with them on this concept the more your arguments will be used against you. Best not to argue but instead agree. The system has a way of channeling your energy to use against you.

Now since private property has been abolished that means that there is a lot of abandoned property out there. Learn how to abate the nuisance with a claim.

[Ponce]

The US Supreme court has NEVER taken away the land from someone who has a patent for it.......nothing is above the signature of Congress or of a US president as is a land patent.

V

[palani]

The US Supreme court has NEVER taken away the land from someone who has a patent for it.......nothing is above the signature of Congress or of a US president as is a land patent.

V

True ... but if the state separated the owner from his property in a tax lien sale even 130 years ago .... the buyer at the tax lien sale has not been placed in the chain of title ... the event was not done with the consent of the owner in arrears. Possession and ownership become separated and it might take generations to join them again ... or NEVER.

[Ponce]

Sure, but remember that the lien is for WHAT IS ON THE LAND and not for the land itself.......and if you don't give them permission to enter your land then how are they going to carry the house away?......... they would have a hell of a time selling your property on the land that is yours.

V

[General of Darkness]

This is what happens when you turn a white homogeneous country into a multicult shithole.

[palani]

Sure, but remember that the lien is for WHAT IS ON THE LAND and not for the land itself.......and if you don't give them permission to enter your land then how are they going to carry the house away?......... they would have a hell of a time selling your property on the land that is yours.

V

Money agreed or directed to be laid out in land is considered as real estate.

There is no land in real estate. There is only money.

Judgments rendered in courts of record are generally liens on the real estate of the defendants or parties against whom such judgments are given.

However I doubt if any tax lien auction comes from any judgment. Instead they send you a NOTICE OF LIEN which itself is not a lien ... IT IS A NOTICE. Your due process is that you have a right to inquire (which does not mean IGNORE) that notice. AT NO TIME IS YOUR TAX BILL TAKEN IN FRONT OF A JUDGE AND A LIEN ATTACHED.

[Ponce]

Only thing is that I did not buy the land......the iniciator, at least for my land, was a woman that gave $1.25 per acrea to "register" it and not for buying it.........how can they tax something that has no value?..........and something else, they cannot take your land for tax or for debt..........what happens if I don't pay my tax? it become a debt which is also protected. I have been studding all about land patent for the last two years and there are many lupholes.......by the way, did you know that property tax (that came about in 1932) is now illegal? became illegal in 1971 or 1982, forgot when, and is under the name of a woman.......I lost the damn thing and not I am unable to located again.

V

[palani]

how can they tax something that has no value How can you pay property taxes of no value with paper money also of no value? Because you find yourself in the land of fiction where something of no substance can pay for use or usufruct of something of real value.



they cannot take your land for tax or for debt..........what happens if I don't pay my tax? When you refuse to pay a fictional bill with fictional money then your use or usufruct is terminated.

Did you ever post legal notice of your ownership of land? Did you ever provide witnessed notices at court houses, post offices, library, town square? Did you ever perambulate the boundary of your land? Did you ever sandwich your notice in plexiglas, attach a chain to a rod and place it on the land as boundary markers, covered up with a suitable pile of small stones? You see it is not the land you own but rather the markers. And while you are at it take a tablespoon of soil at each boundary marker location as livery of seisin. Since you are taking something you should leave something as well. In Iowa I find wild rose seed gathered from nature is appropriate. You might find something else for your environment.

[Ponce]

Don't mix apples and oranges......having a land patent is like being in a different game....I already had to use it twice and it works.

V

[palani]

Don't mix apples and oranges......having a land patent is like being in a different game.

Close. Having a land patent is like being in a different PLANE. If you are a citizen in a political machine then the land patent is your grant of the right to use certain land. What I posted is the procedure one uses when he does not desire political involvement. In fact if I were a citizen and tried that procedure I could be charged with civil disobedience because citizens can only seize things in the name of the state. Hence the phrase 'abolition of private property'.

[crimethink]

A piece of paper guarantees nothing.

[palani]

A piece of paper guarantees nothing.

The paper is the vessel. What is printed on it is cargo. Most vessels really should be displaying a flag or else they might be subject to seizure by pirates or non-neutral nations.

[Neuro]

This is what happens when you turn a white homogeneous country into a multicult shithole.
Absolutely, all of Europe is stripping down on pensions, social security, education, and raise taxes, to pay for refugees and immigrants from Africa and Middle East, who live way better lives, than they could dream of in their third world shitholes, never working, having 4-10 children, and doesn't even bother to learn their new countries language. Sure their are plenty of exceptions to that description. But the net effect is an enormous drain on the host society!

[expat4ever]

SS isnt a right or benefit. Its at the whim of congress every year and is nothing more than a special tax.

Would love to hear more on the land patent stuff. On my tax bill its says if not paid within one year it is subject to forclosure. Which always leaves me scratching my head wondering how they have any claim to my shit. Also the trees on my property is subject to taxation if I ever cut them like they have some claim on them as well. I feel like they should pay me rent to grow the damn things if they have so much claim on the property.

[crimethink]

The paper is the vessel. What is printed on it is cargo. Most vessels really should be displaying a flag or else they might be subject to seizure by pirates or non-neutral nations.

A piece of paper with no matter what the writing guarantees nothing. Anyone who says otherwise is a fool or a liar.

Only force guarantees anything. And even that has its limits for human beings.

Government is an attempted monopoly of force. It pays no attention to "documents" when they are in the way of government aims.

[crimethink]

SS isnt a right or benefit. Its at the whim of congress every year and is nothing more than a special tax.


Exactly. The "promise" is as empty as a "Federal" Reserve Note. It can be revoked at any time, without legal recourse.




Would love to hear more on the land patent stuff. On my tax bill its says if not paid within one year it is subject to forclosure. Which always leaves me scratching my head wondering how they have any claim to my shit. Also the trees on my property is subject to taxation if I ever cut them like they have some claim on them as well. I feel like they should pay me rent to grow the damn things if they have so much claim on the property.

Land patents are complete nonsense. As is most of the "sovereign citizen" and "redemption" crap. Guns, not documents, rule society.

I challenge anyone who claims they "own" their land to stop paying property taxes.

[midnight rambler]

I challenge anyone who claims they "own" their land to stop paying property taxes.

I personally know someone who hasn't paid property taxes on his land in several years.

[crimethink]

I personally know someone who hasn't paid property taxes on his land in several years.

It's not that guy who threatens to shoot any "law enforcement" coming on the property, is it? :)

(I just found his name, John Joe Gray.)

[palani]

I challenge anyone who claims they "own" their land to stop paying property taxes.

Just as 'sovereign citizen' is an oxymoron so is owning land upon which tax is paid. If you own land you don't pay someone else tribute on that land.

[midnight rambler]

It's not that guy who threatens to shoot any "law enforcement" coming on the property, is it? :)

(I just found his name, John Joe Gray.)

No, someone else. He doesn't have a DRIVER LICENSE or MV REGISTRATION either - a veteran of the SE Asia wargames.

[crimethink]

No, someone else. He doesn't have a DRIVER LICENSE or MV REGISTRATION either - a veteran of the SE Asia wargames.

If he can pull it off, good for him.

[crimethink]

Just as 'sovereign citizen' is an oxymoron so is owning land upon which tax is paid. If you own land you don't pay someone else tribute on that land.

Of course. My assertion is that "most" people who "own" land are forced to pay that tribute, and therefore do not "own" it. If you'd like to explain a genuinely effective way of compelling the government - sans guns - to not force you to pay, please explain.

[palani]

If you'd like to explain a genuinely effective way of compelling the government - sans guns - to not force you to pay, please explain.

The problem is all inside your head
She said to me
The answer is easy if you
Take it logically
I'd like to help you in your struggle
To be free
Don't own anything in the political plane
PERIOD

[ShortJohnSilver]

No, someone else. He doesn't have a DRIVER LICENSE or MV REGISTRATION either - a veteran of the SE Asia wargames.

I know of a case where a guy does this, but, it basically has taken up a lot of his life to keep fighting over it.

[crimethink]

The problem is all inside your head
She said to me
The answer is easy if you
Take it logically
I'd like to help you in your struggle
To be free
Don't own anything in the political plane
PERIOD

Many words, yet nothing said.

Would you like to say it in plain English?

[palani]

plain English?

1) the problem is in your head
2) use logic
3) if you are going to venture into the field of civil disobediance then best not own anything that can be seized

[mick silver]

and the shithole take it all , welcome to the land of being fucked for what you work to have so someone can take it and give it to a tick

[Horn]

Is it the French who have International Free Trade Zones setup all over the planet?

The new plan doesn't seem to work so well.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=298nld4Yfds

Is there a period in history where France hasn't been a culture?

Are they HT's white or black liberal hat?

[Horn]

France Assures Push Against Petrodollar Is Not A "Fight Against Dollar Imperialism"


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-06/france-assures-push-against-petrodollar-not-fight-against-dollar-imperialism


As Russian Sanctions Force France To Make Tough Choices, Military Sale To Asia May Offer Easy Way Out


http://www.ibtimes.com/russian-sanctions-force-france-make-tough-choices-military-sale-asia-may-offer-easy-way-1648510

[expat4ever]

Just as 'sovereign citizen' is an oxymoron so is owning land upon which tax is paid. If you own land you don't pay someone else tribute on that land.

I was having a conversation with a female friend who is from the Philippines. They have a very similar constitution to the US constitution.. When I told her I had to pay my property taxes she told me that if you own your property there that there that they cant tax you on it. I havent researched it here but I'm sure at one time it was the same here.

[crimethink]

1) the problem is in your head
2) use logic
3) if you are going to venture into the field of civil disobediance then best not own anything that can be seized

Again, many words, yet nothing said.

Anything can be seized if the force is sufficient.

[palani]

she told me that if you own your property there that there that they cant tax you on it.

http://www.chanrobles.com/presidentialdecreeno464.htm


This page features the full text of
Presidential Decree No. 464
The Real Property Tax Code
ENACTING A REAL PROPERTY TAX CODE.

The Philippines has a political plane that needs funding too.

Worthless paper covers the entire planet and I doubt if dry land exists anywhere (except for my 1,600 square miles more or less). The funny thing is my dry land is a watershed. Perhaps watersheds do a good job of shedding paper overlays as well as they shed water.

[palani]

Again, many words, yet nothing said. My comments are for those with eyes to see. While I carry on conversations with dead people I don't expect them to become undead without a miracle being involved.


Anything can be seized if the force is sufficient.
Such things are safe if they are not visible. If you cannot see something I expect it is invisible to the political plane as well.

Invisible things can also be a handicap.

[crimethink]

My comments are for those with eyes to see. While I carry on conversations with dead people I don't expect them to become undead without a miracle being involved.


You do not write English; you write sophistry. Sophistry is for liars.

I'm all ears - and eyes - for when you actually say something.




Such things are safe if they are not visible. If you cannot see something I expect it is invisible to the political plane as well.

Invisible things can also be a handicap.

If you're saying simply don't register ownership of real estate, then say that.

[optionT]

Absolutely, all of Europe is stripping down on pensions, social security, education, and raise taxes, to pay for refugees and immigrants from Africa and Middle East, who live way better lives, than they could dream of in their third world shitholes, never working, having 4-10 children, and doesn't even bother to learn their new countries language. Sure their are plenty of exceptions to that description. But the net effect is an enormous drain on the host society!


Yes, the Muslim hordes are taking over. Nothing is safe in the name of bringing in 3rd worlders.

We're beyond f*cked.

[Horn]

Yes, the Muslim hordes are taking over. Nothing is safe in the name of bringing in 3rd worlders.

We're beyond f*cked.

Dependent logic, if you don't want to pay taxes you go to the third world.

Now that the 3rd world is in France they won't be able to raise taxes let alone collect any.

[palani]

You do not write English; you write sophistry. Sophistry is for liars.
Do you have the means to distinguished reasoning from argument? Argument is for fools and idiots.


I'm all ears - and eyes - for when you actually say something. All evidence to the contrary?


If you're saying simply don't register ownership of real estate, then say that.
Real estate is the money paid for real property. Didn't you know that it was the money you paid tax on rather than the land? If I paid nothing for real property then where is the basis for taxation?

[Spectrism]

Real estate is the money paid for real property. Didn't you know that it was the money you paid tax on rather than the land? If I paid nothing for real property then where is the basis for taxation?

Assessed value is applied to properties. It is an arbitrary judgment applied by government employees.

[Neuro]

Assessed value is applied to properties. It is an arbitrary judgment applied by government employees.
Same in Sweden. They use a formula, where they count location area, living space, land area, equipment/amenities of the house, bedrooms, restoration. If you commit the mistake of restoring your house you'll get punished by raised property taxes...

[palani]

Assessed value is applied to properties. It is an arbitrary judgment applied by government employees.

Again. It is the value that is taxed. Not the property.

They (the system) rely upon the sale price and presume that nobody would be so foolish as to pay more than the assessed valuation. However, if they are so foolish, governments are ready, willing and able to apply the milage rate to the newest price. In the end analysis government decides how much they need to operate and then adjust assessed valuations until their budget goes black.

[Neuro]

Again. It is the value that is taxed. Not the property.

They (the system) rely upon the sale price and presume that nobody would be so foolish as to pay more than the assessed valuation. However, if they are so foolish, governments are ready, willing and able to apply the milage rate to the newest price. In the end analysis government decides how much they need to operate and then adjust assessed valuations until their budget goes black.
Regardless, not to pay tax the assessed value needs to be zero to have zero tax levied on your property, if you are the registered owner...

[palani]

Regardless, not to pay tax the assessed value needs to be zero to have zero tax levied on your property, if you are the registered owner...

Right. Milage x accessed value ($0) = $0 tax owed.

But then if the currency is bankrupt any valuation of your property by that currency makes your condition of holding that property the same condition as that of a bankrupt.

[7th trump]

Right. Milage x accessed value ($0) = $0 tax owed.

But then if the currency is bankrupt any valuation of your property by that currency makes your condition of holding that property the same condition as that of a bankrupt.
Impossible!
Currency never goes bankrupt........governments and individuals can.
The property has a fair market value no matter what value the currency is at.

You're getting the ability to pay a debt confused with the value of currency.
When someone or something cant pay off a debt they always access the value of possesions that bankrupt entity holds towards the debt.
You're playing games palani!

[MNeagle]

Impossible!
Currency never goes bankrupt........!

http://justforsneaks.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/zimbabwe-100-trillion-dollar-bill-obverse.jpg?w=874&h=444

[palani]

Currency never goes bankrupt.

I bet you never studied the number 346,681,016 very closely and have no concept of why this number has remained unchanged since 1878.

By the way ... bankruptcy is the state of a bankrupt. Bankrupt is an act. What act led to the insolvency of the United States?

[gunDriller]

so is this bearish for croissants ?


if they all shat their pants when they got the news, that would be diaper-bullish. :)

[crimethink]

Do you have the means to distinguished reasoning from argument? Argument is for fools and idiots.

All evidence to the contrary?


Real estate is the money paid for real property. Didn't you know that it was the money you paid tax on rather than the land? If I paid nothing for real property then where is the basis for taxation?

Let's just review reality, the facts:

1) palani does not have any effective magical formulae to ward off these government vampires that will seize your property;
2) government assesses the value of your property independently of what you want or wish, and regardless of any papers or documents you pretend have authority;
3) if the government says "pay this tax bill," and you do not, they will transfer registered ownership to someone other than you, usually after auction sale;
4) if you refuse to leave the property after this transfer, you will be forced to leave, at gunpoint, when the government sends its armed enforcers;
5) nearly everyone can see clearly that palani is simply full of shit when he claims he can evade government vampires with magic words or techniques.

[palani]

Let's just review reality, the facts:

1) palani does not have any effective magical formulae to ward off these government vampires that will seize your property;
2) government assesses the value of your property independently of what you want or wish, and regardless of any papers or documents you pretend have authority;
3) if the government says "pay this tax bill," and you do not, they will transfer registered ownership to someone other than you, usually after auction sale;
4) if you refuse to leave the property after this transfer, you will be forced to leave, at gunpoint, when the government sends its armed enforcers;
5) nearly everyone can see clearly that palani is simply full of shit when he claims he can evade government vampires with magic words or techniques.
Jus accrescendi inter mercatores locum non habet, pro beneficio commercii.

[crimethink]

Jus accrescendi inter mercatores locum non habet, pro beneficio commercii.

palani prefers the language of imperial dictators and the scum of the Earth known as lawyers because he thinks just like them.

[palani]

palani prefers the language of imperial dictators and the scum of the Earth known as lawyers because he thinks just like them.

Mortuus exitus non est exitus.

[crimethink]

Mortuus exitus non est exitus.

"Look at me, everyone! I'm 'intelligent' and 'sophisticated' because I can quote Latin phrases!"

[palani]

"Look at me, everyone! I'm 'intelligent' and 'sophisticated' because I can quote Latin phrases!"
I prefer to respond with truths rather than rants and raves like some lunatics that frequent these forums.

You obviously cannot understand English. Now it is apparent you understand Latin less.

[crimethink]

I prefer to respond with truths rather than rants and raves like some lunatics that frequent these forums.

You obviously cannot understand English. Now it is apparent you understand Latin less.

Hypertard - 7th Chump - punklani

The Triple Trolls of GSUS.

[Horn]

http://www.revtucher.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/C-64-Holy-Trinity.png

[palani]

Hypertard - 7th Chump - punklani

The Triple Trolls of GSUS.

http://i60.tinypic.com/16k5og6.jpg

Darned. I couldn't even make THAT list!!!