Statism: The Most Dangerous Religion

[iOWNme]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6uVV2Dcqt0

[EE_]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6uVV2Dcqt0

It's a good video, no doubt.
The first step is waking up as many people as possible, you could have said that yourself iOWNme.

Now for step #2 ?___________

[Ponce]

Super video, only problem is that there will always be someone who wants to be the top dog and as long as he is at the top he will try to make the rules even if the people wants something else........."WE THE PEOPLE" don't want a war in the Middle East, or anywhere else, but he in power wants them...for whatever reason.

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[Grog]

Good video.

[Ares]

Great vid, but it takes a lot of time to appeal to people who have been indoctrinated since birth to believe they need some imaginary force to "keep the peace". There are posters on this board who believe we should have a government. I've never understood doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Advocating for government is advocating for murder, oppression, tyranny, and legalized theft. Statism a time tested failure that keeps being tweaked to work just a bit different but the results are always the same. They have been for the past 2,000 years. I don't have much faith that humanity will come to its senses anytime soon and remove authority from some imaginary body they call government..

[midnight rambler]

You have a DL, You have a SS card...and you believe BOTH were issued to you under FRAUD
Why do you keep renewing your DL and providing your SS# to identify yourself?
Why do you legitimize the 'Government'?

Gotten rid of your state issued ID yet Sui Juris?

[General of Darkness]

Excellent video, thanks or sharing.

[7th trump]

Gotten rid of your state issued ID yet Sui Juris?

I've called him out for having a DL and using the ssn assigned to him on government forms many times.....but nothing from him except more anarchy bullshit.
Heck I've even shown him the law stating that participation in SS isn't a requirement and theres no law on the books saying you must participate and become a second class "US citizen" over the first class "The People"....but he refuses to be honest and wrestle with his ego to see hes not so honest.

[crimethink]

Denial of God is the most dangerous religion. The usual form of this is autotheism (self-worship), which is itself a variant of Satanism.

Statism is merely a form of Satanism. The god of this world (the Devil) runs the Babylon System of current world governments. Worship of the Devil's governments.

Oh, and a "statist" is not someone who believes government is necessary. God established the principle of government. A statist is someone who worships government.

[crimethink]

Great vid, but it takes a lot of time to appeal to people who have been indoctrinated since birth to believe they need some imaginary force to "keep the peace". There are posters on this board who believe we should have a government.


God instituted government to do just that: keep the peace. See Romans 13. However, Romans 13 does not advocate obedience to out-of-control, evil government; Romans 13:3. Government that does not do good or justice to the good & just may be ignored, or overthrown.




I've never understood doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.


Since 1776 ultimately failed, we should just sit back and accept what we have?

The human experience has been one of endless, constant struggle and trial. Your "thinking" would have us back playing with sticks, too hopeless to try to strike two rocks together.




Advocating for government is advocating for murder, oppression, tyranny, and legalized theft. Statism a time tested failure that keeps being tweaked to work just a bit different but the results are always the same. They have been for the past 2,000 years. I don't have much faith that humanity will come to its senses anytime soon and remove authority from some imaginary body they call government..

Anarchy, like true Communism, will remain an unrealizable ideal, because human nature does not allow for either to function.

Sincere* anarchists, sincere "libertarians," and sincere communists all fail to understand the majority will never act ideally. Millennia of history shows that someone always destablizes the community for their own purposes. Anarchists apparently do not realize the joke about "decision by committee."

So, the choice is not between having a government and having no government. It's between having the best of a necessary evil, or have the worst of unnecessary evils.

Do we want another limited-government Republic that aims to be what the First American Republic was and could have been? Do we want the inhibited plutocracy we have now? Or do we want something even worse, where government with a semblance of popular authority is replaced by one where the wealthy have absolute power?

The alleged power vacuum that would supposedly exist in anarchist utopian fantasy is delusion. A vacuum always wants to be filled, and if not formal government, informal government, appointed by itself by force of arms, would assume power.



* Most anarchists are sincere. Some, however, are not. They do not believe in the fantasy ideals they espouse, but only use them towards the aim of substituting one form of government, with another: themselves.

[Ares]

God instituted government to do just that: keep the peace. See Romans 13. However, Romans 13 does not advocate obedience to out-of-control, evil government; Romans 13:3. Government that does not do good or justice to the good & just may be ignored, or overthrown.

I honestly don't give a shit if god instituted government. Since MAN wrote the bible and not god, I choose to ignore biblical references with regards to how people should live their lives. There is NO SUCH THING as a government that does good. They all turn oppressive given enough time.


Since 1776 ultimately failed, we should just sit back and accept what we have?

The human experience has been one of endless, constant struggle and trial. Your "thinking" would have us back playing with sticks, too hopeless to try to strike two rocks together.

Nope get rid of the idea that we should have a government. Your "thinking" would have us playing divide and conquer with each other for all eternity for no apparent reason other than to not look at the men behind the curtain. 2,000 years of governments the world over what has it accomplished? Death, planetary destruction on a scale humanity has never seen before, billions dead fighting for their form of government. God instituted government? Give me a fucking break.


Anarchy, like true Communism, will remain an unrealizable ideal, because human nature does not allow for either to function.

Which is why I advocate not having government. For the exact reason you just said. Humanity cannot be trusted, but somehow giving that responsibility over to "government" and it all works? Really? You call yourself a critical thinker?


Sincere* anarchists, sincere "libertarians," and sincere communists all fail to understand the majority will never act ideally. Millennia of history shows that someone always destablizes the community for their own purposes. Anarchists apparently do not realize the joke about "decision by committee."

If all laws were repealed tomorrow, would you kill, assualt or steal? Or haven't you noticed laws really don't mean anything? Show me a law that has stopped killing, theft, or drug use.


So, the choice is not between having a government and having no government. It's between having the best of a necessary evil, or have the worst of unnecessary evils.

That's your problem, you think a government is necessary.. I do not.


Do we want another limited-government Republic that aims to be what the First American Republic was and could have been? Do we want the inhibited plutocracy we have now? Or do we want something even worse, where government with a semblance of popular authority is replaced by one where the wealthy have absolute power?

None of the above. The Republic FAILED. Just like the Roman Republic failed over 2,000 years ago. Wake up and get over it already.


The alleged power vacuum that would supposedly exist in anarchist utopian fantasy is delusion. A vacuum always wants to be filled, and if not formal government, informal government, appointed by itself by force of arms, would assume power.

No utopian fantasy. What vacuum of power would there be if no one recognized their authority? Power vacuum.. :rolleyes:


* Most anarchists are sincere. Some, however, are not. They do not believe in the fantasy ideals they espouse, but only use them towards the aim of substituting one form of government, with another: themselves.

The only fantasy is delegating authority to other people to rule when the power of self rule is creator endowed.

[crimethink]

If all laws were repealed tomorrow, would you kill, assualt or steal? Or haven't you noticed laws really don't mean anything? Show me a law that has stopped killing, theft, or drug use.


Punishment means everything. Law is meaningless if violation of it has no effective punishment.

If a murderer kills in your fantasy system, who renders justice? You? And if so, you just assumed the power of government.




No utopian fantasy. What vacuum of power would there be if no one recognized their authority? Power vacuum.. :rolleyes:


You think you are invincible to organized force? Do you fail to discern the distinction between authority (the right to exercise power), and naked power (the ability to exercise it)?

Your "form of government" is government by committee, "voluntarism" you call it. You all get together and discuss and vote on what should be done for the benefit of all. What a laugh.

And while you are discussing your "voluntarism," someone with the resources simply forms a private army, comes in and blows you all away, and chains your women and daughters to beds, establishing a government, wholly evil.




The only fantasy is delegating authority to other people to rule when the power of self rule is creator endowed.

You will build roads, drill wells, bury septic tanks, string electricity & telephone lines all by your lonesome?

Oh, wait, I forgot, you people "don't need" such civilized things.

[Cebu_4_2]

You both are 'Divide and Concur' exactly what the jews planned.

Loose your douche steps and we can probably stand together.

Shut the fuck up, have a beer and well have some fun.

[BrewTech]

You both are 'Divide and Concur' exactly what the jews planned.

Loose your douche steps and we can probably stand together.

Shut the fuck up, have a beer and well have some fun.

I wouldn't correct your spelling on this if it didn't render your statement meaningless, but

Not concur...conquer

[Ares]

Punishment means everything. Law is meaningless if violation of it has no effective punishment.

If a murderer kills in your fantasy system, who renders justice? You? And if so, you just assumed the power of government.

Privatized competing forms of justice. Why leave it with a single entity that is often times corrupted and controlled with NO LEGAL or otherwise recourse when they turn their guns on you?


You think you are invincible to organized force? Do you fail to discern the distinction between authority (the right to exercise power), and naked power (the ability to exercise it)?

Not invincible at all. But not nearly as stupid as thinking that I need government to protect me. WHEN THERE IS NO FUCKING MANDATE BY POLICE TO PROTECT YOU! You just traded thugs is all you've done. Instead of "naked power" you traded it for state sponsored naked power with no ability whatsoever for recourse. How's that working out for ya?


Your "form of government" is government by committee, "voluntarism" you call it. You all get together and discuss and vote on what should be done for the benefit of all. What a laugh.

No that's what you have now. You call them school boards, common councils, city, county, and state governments. "You all get together and discuss and vote on what should be done for the benefit of all".. Not to mention pointing a gun at your neighbor to derive him of his property to fund it. You sir are a fucking joke and a laugh. You fail to even see the fallacy of your delusion while saying it would be mad max without a government.


And while you are discussing your "voluntarism," someone with the resources simply forms a private army, comes in and blows you all away, and chains your women and daughters to beds, establishing a government, wholly evil.

Government already does this, so what exactly is the difference? You come here spouting your delusional ignorance as government being a solution to the problems you've laid bare. Yet government can be attributed to each of those problems. You really don't understand irony do you? Yeah lets keep going with this fucking failed model of government. 2,000 years of a time tested proven failure and you haven't learned a fucking thing.


You will build roads, drill wells, bury septic tanks, string electricity & telephone lines all by your lonesome?

Oh, wait, I forgot, you people "don't need" such civilized things.

All privatized.. Roads are already mostly built by private organizations that the state chooses (bid contractors) or sometimes no bid depending on the relationship the contractor has with the state. :rolleyes: Drill wells? Already done BY PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS. Bury septic tanks, Private organizations ALREADY DO THIS. String electricity PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS ALREADY DO THIS. Telephone lines... PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS ALREADY DO THIS...

People need civilized amenities, what they don't need is bureaucratic red tape to hinder their productivity. All of those things you listed were done well before government granted licenses to have the work performed. All it does is increase the cost and lesson competition. But in your delusional utopia everyone gets everything that a "good government" provides right? :rolleyes:

[crimethink]

Privatized competing forms of justice.


Ah, so you advocate private government.




Why leave it with a single entity that is often times corrupted and controlled with NO LEGAL or otherwise recourse when they turn their guns on you?


Because we have such great "recourse" with Blackwater or Corrections Corporation of America...




Not invincible at all. But not nearly as stupid as thinking that I need government to protect me. WHEN THERE IS NO FUCKING MANDATE BY POLICE TO PROTECT YOU!


Was I talking about police? Where?

In the 1776 Republic, "law enforcement" was done mostly by citizens. That could be done again.

But a military is another story. Are we going to have the Ares Air Force and IOwnMe Navy?




You just traded thugs is all you've done. Instead of "naked power" you traded it for state sponsored naked power with no ability whatsoever for recourse. How's that working out for ya?


You advocate "private" government thugs that rule solely by force of arms. Wow, this anarchism of yours is much "different," LOL.



You sir are a fucking joke and a laugh.


Look in the mirror, boy.




Government already does this, so what exactly is the difference?


Hey, we're making progress!




All privatized.. Roads are already mostly built by private organizations that the state chooses (bid contractors) or sometimes no bid depending on the relationship the contractor has with the state. :rolleyes: Drill wells? Already done BY PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS. Bury septic tanks, Private organizations ALREADY DO THIS. String electricity PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS ALREADY DO THIS. Telephone lines... PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS ALREADY DO THIS...


Corporations = private government.




People need civilized amenities, what they don't need is bureaucratic red tape to hinder their productivity. All of those things you listed were done well before government granted licenses to have the work performed. All it does is increase the cost and lesson competition. But in your delusional utopia everyone gets everything that a "good government" provides right?

Here's the difference between you and me: I don't promise an utopia of absolute freedom. You do. I've already admitted government is a necessary evil, and the best form of that necessary evil is a limited government modeled after the 1776 Republic. You're not man enough to admit that your system would merely replace de jure public government with de facto private government.

[hoarder]

BS.
Many of us here already know that the most dangerous religion is the one who controls the mass media and the Federal Reserve. Idiot Rose is trying to be politically correct by pretending the problem is ideological rather than tribal.

Statism is just a symptom. Ideologies are weapons.

[Ares]

Ah, so you advocate private government.

Where did I advocate Private government? If you haven't noticed our form of government is ALREADY PRIVATE. They just didn't mention you're not a share holder.


Because we have such great "recourse" with Blackwater or Corrections Corporation of America...

Without state sponsorship how long do you think Blackwater would last? Get rid of state sponsored no bid contracts and watch them tumble.


Was I talking about police? Where?

In the 1776 Republic, "law enforcement" was done mostly by citizens. That could be done again.

But a military is another story. Are we going to have the Ares Air Force and IOwnMe Navy?

Government is force of law, they will have their police plain and simple. There is no constitutional mandate for police, yet here we are with police departments in every city, county and state. The only lawful authority is the sheriff who has been neutered by local and state governments since the turn of the 20th century.

Militaries work differently under an Anarcho-Captialist system. You don't need standing armies / navies for self defense if you aren't pissing in everyone else's back yard.


You advocate "private" government thugs that rule solely by force of arms. Wow, this anarchism of yours is much "different," LOL.

You already have that. Look at Rod Class's recent ruling in which he got the police department to admit it was a PRIVATE for PROFIT organization. You advocate state sponsored thugs with no recourse whatsoever. Under your system I can't even withdraw my consent by taking my money elsewhere. Real good system you advocate for... :rolleyes:


Look in the mirror, boy.

I do every day BOY. I know humanity cannot be trusted with my protection or safety. I sure as hell am not stupid enough to willingly give someone else authority to rule me. Unlike you I know humanity cannot be trusted with such power. History has proven it. Just call yourself a statist already.


Corporations = private government.

You failed to show a reason why we need government to perform those task given that private organizations already do that for profit.


Here's the difference between you and me: I don't promise an utopia of absolute freedom. You do. I've already admitted government is a necessary evil, and the best form of that necessary evil is a limited government modeled after the 1776 Republic. You're not man enough to admit that your system would merely replace de jure public government with de facto private government.

And there we go. A statist fool and his false idol of worship. I do not kid myself with the idiocy that we need government. You obviously do.

Here ya go "crimethink" here is your idol to go worship

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/11/110a83dd7bc7060ee55511ddd24223f959a49fb14d81b2d48e c290b8ff214c9d.jpg

Go worship your god, your protector and your provider.

The only thought crime here is thinking that man could do without a ruling class..

[crimethink]

BS.
Many of us here already know that the most dangerous religion is the one who controls the mass media and the Federal Reserve. Idiot Rose is trying to be politically correct by pretending the problem is ideological rather than tribal.

Statism is just a symptom. Ideologies are weapons.

The "anarchists" and "libertarians" aren't going to admit that Satanism (the most dangerous form of all is Talmudic Judaism) is the problem, since so many of their "heroes" were Talmud Jews: Alisa "Ayn Rand" Rosenbaum and Ludwig von Mises, in particular.

[Shami-Amourae]

The "anarchists" and "libertarians" aren't going to admit that Satanism (the most dangerous form of all is Talmudic Judaism) is the problem, since so many of their "heroes" were Talmud Jews: Alisa "Ayn Rand" Rosenbaum and Ludwig von Mises, in particular.

When jobs start becoming nonexistent due to automation they will change their tune.

[crimethink]

Where did I advocate Private government?


You propose "competing solutions" offered by corporate entities to engage in governmental tasks.




If you haven't noticed our form of government is ALREADY PRIVATE.


I'm well-aware of that. That is why I oppose both your delusion, and this current regime.

I want a public government, that represents the People, and exercises power according to the authority the People actually give it.

No more "privatization," as you types have foisted on us.




Without state sponsorship how long do you think Blackwater would last? Get rid of state sponsored no bid contracts and watch them tumble.


The same people that operate the current "government" control Blackwater. Under your system, the same people would still control Blackwater, and simply use it without the contract, in the same manner.




Militaries work differently under an Anarcho-Captialist system. You don't need standing armies / navies for self defense if you aren't pissing in everyone else's back yard.


Nice fantasy. All people are "generally good," and if you be nice to them, they'll all behave all the time. LOL

No more pirates, for example.

Do you really believe this shit?



Just call yourself a statist already.


I don't worship the state, so I will not call myself something I'm not.




Go worship your god, your protector and your provider.


My God is the One Almighty.

You worship yourself.




The only thought crime here is thinking that man could do without a ruling class.

The ruling class employs useful idiots like yourself to argue in favor of the destruction of public government.

We will never achieve "no government" because no human society can exist with "no government" (the family is the most basic unit of government). Instead, we will have more of the same we've seen from the Babylon System in the last several decades, moving ever farther away from public institutions to private institutions working for private interests, all with the support of people like you. We can have government-controlled corporations, or corporation-controlled government.

[gunDriller]

i pledge allegiance to the flag.

i promise not to question authority.

i agree not to sue my K-12 teachers for historical malpractice and child abuse for making me swallow years of bullshit about the Holohoax and other Jew-approved history.

and so on.


yes, i remember the Pledge of Allegiance. every fvcking day we said it.

[crimethink]

This is the real-world meaning of what "anarcho-libertarians" preach:

http://www.ucg.org/files/images/articleimages/immigration-how-foreign-invasion-reshaping-west.jpg.crop_display.jpg

They are internationalists.

If you like unrestrained immigration, and Entervirus D68 & Ebola, "anarcho-libertarianism" is for you.

[crimethink]

i pledge allegiance to the flag.

i promise not to question authority.

i agree not to sue my K-12 teachers for historical malpractice and child abuse for making me swallow years of bullshit about the Holohoax and other Jew-approved history.

and so on.


yes, i remember the Pledge of Allegiance. every fvcking day we said it.

I do not pledge allegiance to anything or anyone on Earth.

I have also gotten plenty of angry stares when I refuse to stand for the flag.

[Ares]

You propose "competing solutions" offered by corporate entities to engage in governmental tasks.

Competition breads innovation. If people are free to choose who and what entity to do business with, without state mandates a private entity will rise or fall on its own merits without state protection.


I'm well-aware of that. That is why I oppose both your delusion, and this current regime.

I want a public government, that represents the People, and exercises power according to the authority the People actually give it.

No more "privatization," as you types have foisted on us.

Good luck with that. As there hasn't been a government in existence that represented the people. You can harp on and on about the 1776 Republic. Just look at the Whiskey Rebellion for how the Republic failed to represent the people. Representative government.... LMAO what a joke.


The same people that operate the current "government" control Blackwater. Under your system, the same people would still control Blackwater, and simply use it without the contract, in the same manner.

So where would the money come from to fund such an operation? No government to print it into existence. So where exactly would one come up with the money to hire such a large expensive private army?


Nice fantasy. All people are "generally good," and if you be nice to them, they'll all behave all the time. LOL

No more pirates, for example.

Do you really believe this shit?

Most people are generally good. It's when you give them a massive hammer like government that people start dying in the millions. But let's keep giving them that power, I'm sure next time it will be different.. Do you really believe that humanity can have a representative government without a ruling class? You really don't believe that bullshit do you?


I don't worship the state, so I will not call myself something I'm not.

But you do worship the state. You believe humanity is to be ruled. You can call it a "Representative government" until you're blue in the face, but reality smacks your delusion down every single time. There is no such thing as a limited government when it comes to it needing revenue.


My God is the One Almighty.

You worship yourself.

Your god is the state, and you worship it like a good little peasant should. My god is the almighty creator. My rights are creator endowed no government of man is qualified at ruling me. You are cattle and deserve to be ruled, branded and treated like cattle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIKCfikpmKc

You might as well worship the state every night before bed..


The ruling class employs useful idiots like yourself to argue in favor of the destruction of public government.

LOL You're a joke dude. Like the ruling class would employ people like anarchist to advocate destroying all governments. Yeah that serves their best interest.. :rolleyes: Logic and reason aren't really your strong points are they?


We will never achieve "no government" because no human society can exist with "no government" (the family is the most basic unit of government). Instead, we will have more of the same we've seen from the Babylon System in the last several decades, moving ever farther away from public institutions to private institutions working for private interests, all with the support of people like you. We can have government-controlled corporations, or corporation-controlled government.

Nope, humanity is not ready to understand that governments are not needed. So yes I agree. I'm not foolish enough to believe that humanity will ever have a system of no government. I made that clear in the beginning of this thread. But that doesn't stop me from arguing the merits of removing power from systems and people from who it does not belong.

[crimethink]

So where would the money come from to fund such an operation? No government to print it into existence. So where exactly would one come up with the money to hire such a large expensive private army?


Look here, everyone, Ares believes only fiat paper currency is money! LOL




Most people are generally good.


Most people are generally good, they ride unicorns, and are on a journey to the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.




But you do worship the state. You believe humanity is to be ruled.


Don't project your deluded perceptions on to me.

I don't "worship the state," and do not believe humanity is to be "ruled."




Your god is the state, and you worship it like a good little peasant should.


In the other "statist" thread, you've admitted you worship the current regime, in practice, by willfully using its "Federal" Reserve Notes, instead of using the "private solution" of gold & silver pieces.




My god is the almighty creator.


Your god is yourself. You love yourself so much that you're willing to compromise your stated principles to protect your own ass, and even merely for your own convenience.




You might as well worship the state every night before bed..


You worship the state every time you choose "Federal" Reserve Notes over gold & silver, solely for your convenience.




LOL You're a joke dude. Like the ruling class would employ people like anarchist to advocate destroying all governments. Yeah that serves their best interest.. :rolleyes: Logic and reason aren't really your strong points are they?


Fool, banksters employ capitalists, communists, and anarchists as "useful idiots" to accomplish their goals. Banksters know your idiotic ideology is no threat to them, so yes, you serve them - are employed by them, probably for free (which is even worse!).




I'm not foolish enough to believe that humanity will ever have a system of no government.

Awesome, we're making progress! You admit that anarchism is utopian and delusional.

[Ares]

Look here, everyone, Ares believes only fiat paper currency is money! LOL

I said no such thing. But you still failed to answer the question. How would an organization such as Blackwater exist at its level without state sponsorship or imaginary money?


Most people are generally good, they ride unicorns, and are on a journey to the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

Yet you want to give those same untrustworthy people power to rule. What the fuck is wrong with you?


Don't project your deluded perceptions on to me.

I don't "worship the state," and do not believe humanity is to be "ruled."

Yes you do, as can be clearly seen you're a hypocrite statist. Preaching the merits of Representative Government, while history has shown that all governments have collapsed and there has NEVER been a truly representative government. You want people to be ruled. You just don't come out and say it because you're a fucking coward.


In the other "statist" thread, you've admitted you worship the current regime, in practice, by willfully using its "Federal" Reserve Notes, instead of using the "private solution" of gold & silver pieces.

LOL that's quite a leep to go from saying I use the "money" of the day while retaining valuable metals for my own personal gain as "worshiping" the state.


Your god is yourself. You love yourself so much that you're willing to compromise your stated principles to protect your own ass, and even merely for your own convenience.

Ahh the time tested diversion... My god is the creator as I have I said from day one on here KID. You're a fucking newbie and don't know jack shit about me or my beliefs. Save my own ass eh? I have kids. I worry about them much more than I do myself. I'm not about to let the state raise my kids because I decided to take a bullet "for the cause".


You worship the state every time you choose "Federal" Reserve Notes over gold & silver, solely for your convenience.

You worship the state every time you advocate for a ruling class to rule you. As I have pointed out repeatedly. There is no such thing as a representative government, and there NEVER HAS BEEN, or ever will be.


Fool, banksters employ capitalists, communists, and anarchists as "useful idiots" to accomplish their goals. Banksters know your idiotic ideology is no threat to them, so yes, you serve them - are employed by them, probably for free (which is even worse!).

Yeah showing the fallacies of government serves them well... :rolleyes:


Awesome, we're making progress! You admit that anarchism is utopian and delusional.

If you happened to notice, it was in the first comment I made on this thread. But you have a habit of putting words in peoples mouths and selectively deciding what they have written.

[7th trump]

Look here, everyone, Ares believes only fiat paper currency is money! LOL




Most people are generally good, they ride unicorns, and are on a journey to the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.




Don't project your deluded perceptions on to me.

I don't "worship the state," and do not believe humanity is to be "ruled."




In the other "statist" thread, you've admitted you worship the current regime, in practice, by willfully using its "Federal" Reserve Notes, instead of using the "private solution" of gold & silver pieces.




Your god is yourself. You love yourself so much that you're willing to compromise your stated principles to protect your own ass, and even merely for your own convenience.




You worship the state every time you choose "Federal" Reserve Notes over gold & silver, solely for your convenience.




Fool, banksters employ capitalists, communists, and anarchists as "useful idiots" to accomplish their goals. Banksters know your idiotic ideology is no threat to them, so yes, you serve them - are employed by them, probably for free (which is even worse!).




Awesome, we're making progress! You admit that anarchism is utopian and delusional.

Ohh bullcrap!
Using federal reserve notes is not a form of worshiping ANY regime or anything
Money is nothing but a medium of exchange...it can be anything you want money to be....money is just bartering without the item to barter with.
You seriously have swallowed the fiat internet conspiracy bullshit hook line and sinker.....and you claim you have a high IQ huh?

BTW, IQ is a gauge on what a person can retain...it has really nothing to do with the ability to execute common sense and the ability to think through problems.
I knew several book smart people that can virtually recite a 300 page book on networking....but get in the field and they don't know one thing they recited...don't kj now how to use it in the field...and they usually are dangerous to work around

[Serpo]

I agree some of the most educated and so called smart people are infact the most stupid especially when it comes to doing something in a practical sense.

[Serpo]

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/11/110a83dd7bc7060ee55511ddd24223f959a49fb14d81b2d48e c290b8ff214c9d.jpg

This is a highly competitive area...............

[crimethink]

I said no such thing.




So where would the money come from to fund such an operation? No government to print it into existence.


According to Ares, money must be printed into existence. LOL





You want people to be ruled.


You repeating this lie incessantly does not make it true.



You just don't come out and say it because you're a fucking coward.


Coward? Me? You claim to kneel to no government or men, yet pay taxes whenever ordered to. LOL.




My god is the creator as I have I said from day one on here KID.


Kid? LOL.




You're a fucking newbie and don't know jack shit about me or my beliefs.


Your cluelessness is most amusing. :)

(rest assured, I've dealt with you ever since GIM)




Save my own ass eh? I have kids. I worry about them much more than I do myself. I'm not about to let the state raise my kids because I decided to take a bullet "for the cause".


We all have excuses, don't we? LOL.

Your children will live in the most oppressive government system ever devised because people like you refuse to act.




You worship the state every time you advocate for a ruling class to rule you.


Not once have I "advocated for a ruling class." Please stop lying.




As I have pointed out repeatedly. There is no such thing as a representative government, and there NEVER HAS BEEN, or ever will be.


That's a belief.




Yeah showing the fallacies of government serves them well... :rolleyes:


You keep doing that, and your eyes are going to "stick" in that position. HA HA.

Capitalists have long used Communists for their own purposes. Ultra-rich Jew Armand Hammer is one of the most notorious examples. It is no different for fascists to use anarchists.




But you have a habit of putting words in peoples mouths and selectively deciding what they have written.

ROTLFMAO.

Psychological projection on your part.

[osoab]

I think a thunderdome is in order.

[crimethink]

I think a thunderdome is in order.

I'm not the one cussing in every post. I'm willing to disengage, if he gets hotter over this.

[7th trump]

Look here, everyone, Ares believes only fiat paper currency is money! LOL




Most people are generally good, they ride unicorns, and are on a journey to the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.




Don't project your deluded perceptions on to me.

I don't "worship the state," and do not believe humanity is to be "ruled."




In the other "statist" thread, you've admitted you worship the current regime, in practice, by willfully using its "Federal" Reserve Notes, instead of using the "private solution" of gold & silver pieces.




Your god is yourself. You love yourself so much that you're willing to compromise your stated principles to protect your own ass, and even merely for your own convenience.




You worship the state every time you choose "Federal" Reserve Notes over gold & silver, solely for your convenience.




Fool, banksters employ capitalists, communists, and anarchists as "useful idiots" to accomplish their goals. Banksters know your idiotic ideology is no threat to them, so yes, you serve them - are employed by them, probably for free (which is even worse!).




Awesome, we're making progress! You admit that anarchism is utopian and delusional.
Well Ares has a point about the money if the government cant print money.
Why are you deflecting his question and trying to turn it around on him?
Whats your problem with his simple question.


The Constitution only requires the states to pay debts off with gold and silver.
Back in the early days theres was plenty of foreign gold and silver coins and they were widely accepted as money everywhere.
In the south you had the French and Spanish territory's with French and Spanish coins as money. In the north you had Britians gold and silver coins within its respective territories...all these gold and silver coins were money and were accepted as money.
The Constitution hasn't been ratified to forbid any of the 50 states to Not accept foreign gold and silver coinage to use as payment of debt.

[Ares]

According to Ares, money must be printed into existence. LOL

Again deflecting the question. Typical Book tactic. Where did I say governments must print money into existence? I asked HOW can an organization like Blackwater exist without state sponsorship and imaginary money to fund it?




You repeating this lie incessantly does not make it true.

You deflecting the reality of your assertion doesn't mean anything to anyone. Keep telling yourself that you're not a statist as long as it helps you sleep at night. KID



Coward? Me? You claim to kneel to no government or men, yet pay taxes whenever ordered to. LOL.

Yes you are a coward. You want people to be ruled. You want "representative" government and you can't even give an example from history where there was a Representative government. You keep wanting to go back to the 1776 Republic of the United States. When I pointed out that it too was a FARCE due to the Whiskey Rebellion of 1791. The Republic FAILED. There is no such thing as a representative government, so yes my statement was true. You want people to be ruled.



Kid? LOL.

Yep, KID. Diversion, division, and distraction. The hallmarks of a small minded child.


Your cluelessness is most amusing. :)

(rest assured, I've dealt with you ever since GIM)

Yeah not a surprise. I figured you were a sock and my guess is that you are Book.



We all have excuses, don't we? LOL.

Yep, apparently so. Instead of excuses you just use diversion and distraction. Can't even answer some simple questions.


Your children will live in the most oppressive government system ever devised because people like you refuse to act.

LMAO says the keyboard commander. What are you doing to "act"??




Not once have I "advocated for a ruling class." Please stop lying.

Not lying at all. Just using history as my guide to show that EVERY government gets hijacked by a ruling class. You want government, you're going to get a ruling class. You might not be directly advocating for it, but the end result is ALWAYS the same.

[Hatha Sunahara]

One thing that has helped me depart from statist conditioning is waking up to the difference between 'law' and legislation.

Law is a set of rules that alloe people to live in civilizations. One such set of rules is the Ten Commandments. These are laws, supposedly written by 'God', and everybody learns them when they are very young. Societies would not work well if people killed each other with no consequences, or if it was ok to steal from others, or if there was widespread adultery. Obeying laws has rewards. Laws are both the product of a moral code, and the result of it.

Legislation, on the other hand is the will of whoever has authority. It has nothing to do with assuring a cohesive, civilized society. It has everything to do with preserving the power of the people who have it. Legislation has nothing to do with morality. It has everything to do with power and authority, and it is the most effective way that power and authority have of nullifying 'laws' and morality. Legislation is not LAW. It is policy that benefits one group at the expense of everyone else. Cops like to call themselves 'Law Enforcement.' They are not. They enforce policy--hence, their real name--police. Everyone has the right and the duty to enforce real Laws.

I don't think I need to explain this difference further. If you watched the video in the OP, there was a good explanation of the behavior of people acting for 'the government'. Cops can murder, or assault, or steal from people--all behaviors that violate the law and morality, but because of legislation and judicial approval, the cops are exempt from the law and morality. Their behavior, protected by legislation, and 'judicial interpretation' will without any doubt result in the deterioration ov civilization and any cohesiveness in society. This will happen when there is a critical mass of victims of crime and corruption, and immoral behavior that is 'legal'. There is nothing like being a victim to motivate you to wake up. The system won't be destroyed by its enemies. It will be destroyed by those who are loyal to it.


Hatha

[crimethink]

LMAO says the keyboard commander. What are you doing to "act"??

Your primary tactic is to accuse me of "diversion." Yet you refused to address why you do nothing. Instead, you want to make it about me. You, not I, are the "all government is evil" ideologue who says he refuses to kneel to any man or government. LOL.

There is little point to responding to anything else you pecked out.

[crimethink]

One thing that has helped me depart from statist conditioning is waking up to the difference between 'law' and legislation.

Law is a set of rules that alloe people to live in civilizations. One such set of rules is the Ten Commandments. These are laws, supposedly written by 'God', and everybody learns them when they are very young. Societies would not work well if people killed each other with no consequences, or if it was ok to steal from others, or if there was widespread adultery. Obeying laws has rewards. Laws are both the product of a moral code, and the result of it.

Legislation, on the other hand is the will of whoever has authority. It has nothing to do with assuring a cohesive, civilized society. It has everything to do with preserving the power of the people who have it. Legislation has nothing to do with morality. It has everything to do with power and authority, and it is the most effective way that power and authority have of nullifying 'laws' and morality. Legislation is not LAW. It is policy that benefits one group at the expense of everyone else. Cops like to call themselves 'Law Enforcement.' They are not. They enforce policy--hence, their real name--police. Everyone has the right and the duty to enforce real Laws.

I don't think I need to explain this difference further. If you watched the video in the OP, there was a good explanation of the behavior of people acting for 'the government'. Cops can murder, or assault, or steal from people--all behaviors that violate the law and morality, but because of legislation and judicial approval, the cops are exempt from the law and morality. Their behavior, protected by legislation, and 'judicial interpretation' will without any doubt result in the deterioration ov civilization and any cohesiveness in society. This will happen when there is a critical mass of victims of crime and corruption, and immoral behavior that is 'legal'. There is nothing like being a victim to motivate you to wake up. The system won't be destroyed by its enemies. It will be destroyed by those who are loyal to it.


Hatha

I have little to no disagreement with what you write here. Along with the distinction between Law and legislation (legalism), the distinction between malum in se and malum prohibitum, and, authority vs. power, are essential to understand.

Despite fanatics insisting I am a "statist" for simply accepting that every human society has government, either de facto or de jure, I am not a statist. A statist is someone who worships the State. That I do not and cannot do. I have regularly "suggested" the overthrow of any regime that works against the People, as "suggested" in the Declaration of Independence. Such regimes exist in Washington, District of Corruption, and most if not all state capitals right now.

Major, fundamental reforms, just short of armed revolution, could correct government from tyrannical to representative. That is, if enough people were willing to make it so. A ban on the lawyer class and its special privileges would be at the top of the list. This would include "judges" who are "legal" dictators. Their immoral power needs to be reduced to that of a mere administrator, and absolute power to judge the facts and the Law restored to the Jury. Likewise, "law enforcement" needs to have all special privileges revoked; most should be eliminated. A sheriff and minimal deputies should be citizens with a special job, not special citizens with the job of god.

I could go on, but you get my point.

[Hatha Sunahara]

Here's another video on this topic exploring it in a bit more depth--a conversation between Larken Rose and James Corbett:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bje0ADbBklw


Hatha

[crimethink]

Here's another video on this topic exploring it in a bit more depth--a conversation between Larken Rose and James Corbett:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bje0ADbBklw


Hatha

I stopped at 0:58. I'm not going to waste my valuable time listening to people who have rigged the "argument" using false memes.

Larken Rose is one of these people who think you can simply stop paying tribute ("Federal Income Tax") to the Federal regime, by using magic words and documents (claiming 26 USC 861 "exempts" him, in particular). He fails to realize that we pay income tax not because it's legal or right, but because the Federal regime will simply put us in a cage, or kill us, if we don't, once they realize we refuse. He got locked up in a cage for over a year, yet persists in pushing nonsense that will lead others to a cage, too - for absolutely no gain.

The Federal regime wants "Federal" Reserve Notes? Give them to them! Like Jesus' coin with Caesar's face, it has their identity on them. Stick to untraceable barter or gold & silver for your real Earthly living & treasure.

I do my own research, and thinking. Learn the basics of how the Babylon System works, and apply even simple logic, and you don't need gurus to tell you what's right & wrong.

[Ares]

Your primary tactic is to accuse me of "diversion." Yet you refused to address why you do nothing. Instead, you want to make it about me. You, not I, are the "all government is evil" ideologue who says he refuses to kneel to any man or government. LOL.

There is little point to responding to anything else you pecked out.

Still failing to answer the simple questions presented in numerous post. I never said I do nothing, you did. It's not my responsibility to address what I have done in my personal life to distance myself from this failed state. I have said in other post and other threads what I have done. Use the search function.

You cannot prove otherwise that all government is evil and the end result is always a ruling class. You fail to learn from history. Your tweaks to the previous Republic will buy, maybe 100 years or so of freedom before we end up right back to where we are. Jews are notorious for infiltrating and subverting a society and bending it to their will. Given enough time, they will bend any government to their will by using other governments around the world as pressure (trade sanctions, high tariffs, war, etc.)

Governments are like Gold to Jews. Always wanting to hold it, possess it and use it for their ends. Why give them the power to use what is not theirs?

[crimethink]

Still failing to answer the simple questions presented in numerous post.


I don't answer loaded questions that serve no purpose or questions that are rigged by use of weasel words & sophistry.



Jews are notorious for infiltrating and subverting a society and bending it to their will. Given enough time, they will bend any government to their will by using other governments around the world as pressure (trade sanctions, high tariffs, war, etc.)

Governments are like Gold to Jews. Always wanting to hold it, possess it and use it for their ends. Why give them the power to use what is not theirs?

Alisa "Ayn Rand" Rosenbaum, Ludwig von Mises, Murray Rothbard, and other members of the Banking Tribe provided you the "answers" you so fanatically embrace.

http://thejewishlibertarian.com/

Tagline: "Combining hatred of the State with love for Torah and Judaism."

Uh, did you actually have a point? LOL.

[Ares]

I don't answer loaded questions that serve no purpose or questions that are rigged by use of weasel words & sophistry.

Nope you just offer bullshit excuses and no real answers other than "we need government" :rolleyes:


Alisa "Ayn Rand" Rosenbaum, Ludwig von Mises, Murray Rothbard, and other members of the Banking Tribe provided you the "answers" you so fanatically embrace.

And not one of them were Anarchist. Alisa Rosenbaums philosophy was objectivism which is more closely aligned with libertarianism. Which if I remember aligns more towards your political persuasion.

Ludwig Von Mises was no Anarchist:

"A shallow-minded school of social philosophers, the anarchists, chose to ignore the matter by suggesting a stateless organization of mankind. They simply passed over the fact that men are not angels. They were too dull to realize that in the short run an individual or a group of individuals can certainly further their own interests at the expense of their own and all other peoples' long-run interests. A society that is not prepared to thwart the attacks of such asocial and short-sighted aggressors is helpless and at the mercy of its least intelligent and most brutal members. While Plato founded his Utopia on the hope that a small group of perfectly wise and morally impeccable philosophers will be available for the supreme conduct of affairs, anarchists implied that all men without any exception will be endowed with perfect wisdom and moral impeccability. They failed to conceive that no system of social cooperation can remove the dilemma between a man's or a group's interests in the short run and those in the long run."

"Government as such is not only not an evil, but the most necessary and beneficial institution, as without it no lasting social cooperation and no civilization could be developed and preserved. It is a means to cope with an inherent imperfection of many, perhaps of the majority of all people. If all men were able to realize that the alternative to peaceful social cooperation is the renunciation of all that distinguishes Homo sapiens from the beasts of prey, and if all had the moral strength always to act accordingly, there would not be any need for the establishment of a social apparatus of coercion and oppression. Not the state is an evil, but the shortcomings of the human mind and character that imperatively require the operation of a police power. Government and state can never be perfect because they owe their raison d'etre to the imperfection of man and can attain their end, the elimination of man's innate impulse to violence, only by recourse to violence, the very thing they are called upon to prevent."

The Ultimate Foundation of Economic Science (http://mises.org/books/ultimate.pdf) - Ludwig Von Mises

Anymore bullshit you want to just pull out of your ass to try and label me and who I follow? Or are you finally going to take the hint and shut the fuck already because you don't have a clue what you're talking about?



Uh, did you actually have a point? LOL.

Apparently not since it just falls on deaf ears.