Odd, I can't buy any of these cars in the US that 60+ mpg

[General of Darkness]

This shit pisses me off.

Real-world MPG: small cars that beat 60mpg - updated



Nine small cars achieve more than 60mpg in our tests
All have diesel engines; most are superminis
Results indicate real-world fuel economy



http://cached.imagescaler.hbpl.co.uk/resize/scaleHeight/655/offlinehbpl.hbpl.co.uk/galleries/RCW/Real_world_mpg_Ford_Fiesta.jpg Ford Fiesta 1.6 TDCi Econetic did 62.1mpg on our test route.
http://cached.imagescaler.hbpl.co.uk/resize/scaleHeight/655/offlinehbpl.hbpl.co.uk/galleries/RCW/Real_world_mpg_Kia_Rio.jpg Kia Rio 1.1 CRDi Ecodynamics achieved 70.6mpg.
http://cached.imagescaler.hbpl.co.uk/resize/scaleHeight/655/offlinehbpl.hbpl.co.uk/galleries/RCW/Real_world_mpg_Honda_Civic.jpg Our team recorded 66.4mpg from the Honda Civic 1.6 i-DTEC.
http://www.whatcar.com/_hbi_ui/basesitenet/img/galleryPlaceholder.gif The Mini Cooper D clocked up 62.6mpg on our test
http://cached.imagescaler.hbpl.co.uk/resize/scaleHeight/655/offlinehbpl.hbpl.co.uk/galleries/RCW/Real_world_mpg_Ford_Fiesta.jpg Ford Fiesta 1.6 TDCi Econetic did 62.1mpg on our test route.
http://cached.imagescaler.hbpl.co.uk/resize/scaleHeight/655/offlinehbpl.hbpl.co.uk/galleries/RCW/Real_world_mpg_Kia_Rio.jpg



The What Car? True MPG technicians test new cars every week. While the official Government figures come from a laboratory test, our team takes each car on a thorough road test that produces the data needed to deliver real-world MPG figures.
This week, we’re naming the most fuel-efficient cars that we’ve tested so far. Only nine cars have achieved more than 60mpg in our tests – most are superminis, and all have diesel engines.
1. Kia Rio (http://www.whatcar.com/car-reviews/kia/rio-hatchback/summary/26045-5) 1.1 CRDi Ecodynamics – official 88.3mpg: True MPG 70.6mpg
The best True MPG result recorded so far is 70.6mpg, from the Kia Rio 1.1 CRDi Ecodynamics. The Government figure is 88.3mpg.
2. Honda Civic (http://www.whatcar.com/car-reviews/honda/civic-hatchback/summary/26090-5) 1.6 i-DTEC – official 78.5mpg: True MPG 66.4mpg
The largest car in this list is the Honda Civic 1.6 i-DTEC. The hatchback has a quoted fuel economy of 78.5mpg, but achieved 66.4mpg in the hands of our technicians.
3. Mini Cooper D (http://www.whatcar.com/car-reviews/mini/cooper-hatchback/summary/26212-5) – official 80.7mpg: True MPG 62.6mpg

The new Mini hatchback's official fuel economy figures are an improvement on the previous car's, and it is more efficient in the real world as well. The new Cooper D Hatch recorded a True MPG figure of 62.6mpg, although this is some way below the official rating of 80.7mpg.

4. Ford Fiesta (http://www.whatcar.com/car-reviews/ford/fiesta-hatchback/summary/25846-5) 1.6 TDCi Econetic – official 78.5mpg: True MPG 62.1mpg
The Ford Fiesta is the best-selling car in the UK; our results show that the 1.6 TDCi Econetic is the most frugal model in the range. Our team recorded 62.1mpg, while the Government data quotes 78.5mpg.
5. Dacia Sandero (http://www.whatcar.com/car-reviews/dacia/sandero-hatchback/summary/26161-5) 1.5 dCi – official 74.3mpg: True MPG 61.7mpg
The Dacia Sandero is not only cheap to buy – our data suggests it will be cheap to fuel as well. Our testers recorded 61.7mpg against official economy of 74.3mpg.
6. Vauxhall Corsa (http://www.whatcar.com/car-reviews/vauxhall/corsa-hatchback/summary/25579-5) 1.3 CDTi Ecoflex – official 85.6mpg: True MPG 61.4mpg
The Corsa Ecoflex's official 85.6mpg is one of the highest claims of any new car. In real-world tests we found a 24.2mpg shortfall, although 61.4mpg still makes it one of the most efficient cars we've tested.
7. Hyundai i20 (http://www.whatcar.com/car-reviews/hyundai/i20-hatchback/summary/25863-5) 1.1 CRDi – official 74.3mpg: True MPG 61.1mpg
The i20 1.1 CRDi shares the same three-cylinder engine with the Kia Rio 1.1, but isn't quite as efficient in this guise. It managed 61.1mpg along our test route.
8. Fiat Panda (http://www.whatcar.com/car-reviews/fiat/panda-hatchback/summary/26077-5) 1.3 Multijet – official 72.4mpg: True MPG 61.0mpg
The Panda Multijet is the smallest car in this list, which makes it the most frugal city car we've tested so far. Our technicians recorded 61.0mpg against official fuel economy of 72.4mpg.
9. Renault Clio (http://www.whatcar.com/car-reviews/renault/clio-hatchback/summary/26125-5) 1.5 dCi – official 78.5mpg: True MPG 60.1mpg
Renault's 1.5 dCi engine is also available in the Captur mini-SUV, but in the Clio it achieved 60.1mpg in our True MPG tests.
Visit whatcar.com/truempg (http://www.whatcar.com/truempg/my-true-mpg) to see the full range of cars we’ve tested to find out what you really can expect to achieve on UK roads.
- See more at: http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/real-world-mpg-small-cars-beat-60mpg-updated/1214063#sthash.GyGJR49k.dpuf

[ShortJohnSilver]

California Air Resources Board (CARB) is the reason. They deliberately set up the tests so that diesel engines would fail. No manufacturer will sell a car in the USA that they cannot sell in CA.

[Serpo]

Its unbelievable what your government does to you guys,kinda like being held hostage.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/VW_Caddy_rear_20071026.jpg (http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&ved=0CAgQjRw4DA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcommons.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FFi le%3AVW_Caddy_front_20071026.jpg&ei=8FY_VJqxN4O0mAWvkIKIDw&psig=AFQjCNHjGAt_CoxtLgbMw83eeMj37rh3Vw&ust=1413523568980231)


German VW diesel motors are very economical and plenty of power ,probably cant get these in US .

[Twisted Titan]

It would absolutely crash the secondary car market and fuel sales would tank.

Can't risk profits ya know.

[Glass]

my last car did about 17mpg. It started out about 20% more efficient but after the first time I had it serviced it went up by 2 -3 mpg and never recovered.

I just picked up a new vehicle and this one does 27Mpg. I'm expecting that I could probably haul 2 of those 60mpg and my mpg would probably only go down by maybe 3mpg. I looked at buying something that does those kind of mpg's but I wanted something that could tow and go off road.

Anyway I'm loving the mileage although I'm not doing enough miles atm.

Also have one of those VW caddy vans at work. Fantastic little wagon. I seriously looked at buying one of those for myself. I could easily be a man in a van. New they are a bit steep to buy. 2nd hand there aren't many 1.9L units around. I think you need the 1.9L but I agree they are brilliant engines. Tons of grunt and a real hoot to drive if you get the stick shift. I always have a blast when I drive it and I have a grin from ear to ear. You can get them up on two wheels when cornering and they will readily break traction from the line.

I think it's a bit short to be a camper but it would be close. I think if you remove the passenger seat you could probably fit a full length single bunk in them. That's what I had in mind.

[palani]

I have been told that European emissions standards (and possibly Japanese too) measure those emissions in terms of pollution caused PER MILE driven. The EPA measures emissions in terms of pollution caused PER GALLON consumed. As a result the European pollution monitoring results in points being given for increased MPG while EPA pollution monitoring allows for burning more fuel to make the exhaust cleaner.... but because more fuel is consumed there will be more pollution per mile driven.

[Cebu_4_2]

http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/50plus.html

Website looks hacked, no video or anything

50 plus MPG cars not allowed in the U.S. or Canada Jim Stone, July 12, 2013
Permalink (http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/50plus.html) Americans get guilt tripped by their own government for driving huge gas sucking cars. Americans are called wasteful, and are often shown graphs of how much energy they use compared to the rest of the world. But what if the problem is not the American people, but those who govern them? The following report is intended to be a wake up call for the American people. There are no tricks here, such as quoting imperial gallons, referencing tiny cars, electric cars, or even hybrids. These cars are straight up 50 plus mile per gallon winners which are banned for sale in the U.S., and if you think you can bring one home, think again, in America such cars are allowed a 30 day visit upon crossing the border, after which if they are found on American soil they get impounded and if not immediately shipped out of the country thereafter they are destroyed.
The U.S. government quotes as a reason for such behavior that said cars are "not up to American standards". But what about Europe, where they are allowed? European standards are every bit as high as American standards, (BMW vs Ford) but with a simple quote from the government, American people will turn their nose and say if it is not up to American standards we do not want it here. But under all of this is a damning reality - there is nothing wrong with these cars other than the fact that they are too efficient and will reduce corporate profits as a result.
http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/urbancruiser.jpg
Lets get started With a combined mileage of 52.8 U.S. mpg and an even higher highway mpg, the Urban Cruiser SUV crossover by Toyota, which is a European version of the Scion XD features front wheel drive for the ultimate mileage and if you are willing to sacrifice and get the 4 wheel drive version, you will suffer in life with a combined mileage of 48 mpg. Highway mileage is considerably higher which will help make any vacations enjoyable. Al Gore is not happy with this one, so you can forget about it in the U.S. http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/quashquai.jpg With a highway mileage of 56 mpg per U.S. gallon, the Nissan Qashqai SUV crossover would be sure to make any carbon tax junkie shiver with dread. Fortunately the American version delivers only 26 highway mpg (22 combined) so the local carbon tax tyrant can rest easy. I would like to ask HOW ON EARTH the difference could be so huge. True, the ultimate mileage is compliments of a diesel engine but that cannot account for such a severe mileage cut. The American version has got to be intentionally detuned to deliver horrific comparable mileage. And that is not the end of it, on E85 fuel which is rapidly being forced on the American people, the mileage drops to an amazingly low 18/23which is not only good for the oil companies, it´s damaging to the U.S. economy which would be better off having that money go toward house payments and durable goods. This much of a difference in efficiency between U.S. and European versions is not happening by accident, it can only be intentional economic sabotage.

Here's a good one http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/bluemotion.jpg With 78.5 imperial miles per gallon highway, the 1.6 blue motion TDI Volkswagen Passat wagon is definitely forbidden in America, where in the smaller American gallons it would deliver a carbon tax blood curdling 65.4 highway mpg. I never laughed at the 70 mpg carburetor even as a kid. How would that do you on vacation? And even city fuel mileage comes in at over 50 miles per U.S. gallon. Ever see National Lampoons vacation? The car is THAT big. They are flat out banned in America, and if you manage to get one into the states, you will be allowed 30 days to leave with it or it will be impounded and crushed. I looked into this topic, and when it comes to cars like this they really are banned even if purchased elsewhere and really will get taken by the government if you do not get them out of the country on time. Take a look at what an American who rented one of these in Europe had to say (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBnlXGvA1Wk) when he got home and could not buy one even though they are manufactured in America and shipped out of the country.
And now, the punch line http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/290mpg.jpgThis is the 261 MPG volkswagen I mentioned a few months ago. Yeah, that station wagon delivering 65 U.S. MPG looks pretty good for an American family, but 261 mpg is pretty tempting. Perhaps I'd spring for it, and certainly if I managed to get one into Mexico it would not get crushed. But don't even think about approaching the U.S. border with this one, if 65 MPG from a large station wagon will get your car taken away by the FED, this bad boy would land you in prison. It ended up getting ridiculed for only achieving a combined mileage of 160 MPG in U.S. gallons (192 combined in Imperial gallons), (http://autofixx.com/2013/after-testing-vw-xl1-hybrid-falls-short-of-claims-averaging-only-160-mpg/) but come on now, at that point, WHO CARES. Even at 160 MPG combined, which means the highway mpg is well into the 200's, this particular car exposes the fuel mileage lie so harshly that there is absolutely no recovery or hiding from the truth, even Europeans are getting scammed at 65 mpg while Americans are getting more than raped.
How long are Americans going to continue to tolerate a government that can't even be honest about fuel economy, all the while that same government back stabs the American psyche with illusions of wastefulness? http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/renault1.jpg I now feel stupid about even mentioning that 64 U.S. mpg Seat Toledo (http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/holytoledo.html)I did a big write up about earlier. The only reason why I thought that car was remarkable is because I myself had been fooled, that station wagon mentioned above is a whole lot better. And that is not even the best there is. If you take the time to wade through all the censorship, you will eventually discover that there are over 20 full sized cars, including 10 SUV's that get combined mileage figures over 50 U.S. MPG, and that's not counting econoboxes. Even Renault has a 4 door hatch back that gets over 80 combined imperial MPG and pushes well over 100 imperial mpg on the highway. (http://www.nationwide-cars.co.uk/cars/renault_megane_diesel_hatchback_d55025.asp) ( Megane expression pictured here.) This equates to 65 US MPG combined, 85 mpg highway, and though it is not a full sized car, it could hardly be called an "econobox".
Americans need to stand up and demand the government to stop censoring search results to prevent Americans from learning the truth elsewhere. Americans need to stand up and call the government on the carpet over the lies that "40 MPG can be achieved in the future" all the while even American car companies such as Ford are producing 65 plus MPG cars for sale on foreign markets right on American soil. It is time to end the lie, and tell these scamming frauds in our government to STICK IT.
If there is any "conspiracy" you could use to wake Americans up, it is this one, these cars are real and not just a bunch of blurry UFO photos. You cannot let the truth slip away on the basis of "the cars not being up to American standards", especially when those standards are forced to include having always on cell connections to every car that can be used to commit murder when the government deems fit as they did in the case of Hastings. There is nothing better about American "improvements" or "standards" that is in any way more beneficial to the people than the European counterparts, and forcing every car to give the government the option to murder via wire is an "improvement" every American can certainly live without. I'd take a fuel economy improvement over that ANY DAY.

[Ponce]

It looks to me that my Toyota Prius snook in under the wire......I am getting 56 to 62 MPG and loving it but I don't like all those electronics...it is a 1997 and it is in mint condition and drives like a dream....I think that because it was the first of its kind to me made they took "extra" care when they made it and that why is so good..........one time by accident I got 94 MPG when I went to the coast, is almost all down hill and almost all being curves and I was driving at night so that I drove mostly at 30 MPH, I think that the batteries did most of the work and that why the high mileage.

V

[JohnQPublic]

Our VW Jetta Sportwagen TDI does 40-45 mpg long distance on the freeway at 65-75 mph (with some stops and detours). In mixed driving it does 31-36 mpg depending on the mix. At any given time on a freeway at 55-60 mph instantaneous, it could be getting 55-70 mpg (this is the test track potential). The problem is once you get off the test track (i.e., freeway at 55 mph), and start adding in accelerating, etc. it is nowhere near as good. Still it makes a differece overall. 32-36 mpg in mixed driving is not too bad. And the VW Jetta has pretty decent performance when you want it (200 ft-lbs. torque in a pretty small light car). It is a little small, but I like driving it.

[mick silver]

I know a guy that's family owns a ford dealership and I ask why can I not own one of the cars they sell oversea that get all the gas mileage and he told me because of big oil companys here in the good old of ussa

[Serpo]

my last car did about 17mpg. It started out about 20% more efficient but after the first time I had it serviced it went up by 2 -3 mpg and never recovered.

I just picked up a new vehicle and this one does 27Mpg. I'm expecting that I could probably haul 2 of those 60mpg and my mpg would probably only go down by maybe 3mpg. I looked at buying something that does those kind of mpg's but I wanted something that could tow and go off road.

Anyway I'm loving the mileage although I'm not doing enough miles atm.

Also have one of those VW caddy vans at work. Fantastic little wagon. I seriously looked at buying one of those for myself. I could easily be a man in a van. New they are a bit steep to buy. 2nd hand there aren't many 1.9L units around. I think you need the 1.9L but I agree they are brilliant engines. Tons of grunt and a real hoot to drive if you get the stick shift. I always have a blast when I drive it and I have a grin from ear to ear. You can get them up on two wheels when cornering and they will readily break traction from the line.

I think it's a bit short to be a camper but it would be close. I think if you remove the passenger seat you could probably fit a full length single bunk in them. That's what I had in mind.

Well we got the maxi ,runs on diesel and its nearly 1200ks a tank. Just last weekend we went to a blues music festival in Narooma , the morning we left ,built a low bed in it (we had the slats) and we where dumbfounded because it worked really well.Under the raised bed you can put bins of stuff, have a fold out table cooker and a couple of chairs and you are laughing.

We have one of those trailer things but this was heaps easier.

[Serpo]

I know a guy that's family owns a ford dealership and I ask why can I not own one of the cars they sell oversea that get all the gas mileage and he told me because of big oil companys here in the good old of ussa

Theres more too it than that ,something about taxes ,is it on the petrol,whatever the reason its TOTAL BS.

[Serpo]

Our VW Jetta Sportwagen TDI does 40-45 mpg long distance on the freeway at 65-75 mph (with some stops and detours). In mixed driving it does 31-36 mpg depending on the mix. At any given time on a freeway at 55-60 mph instantaneous, it could be getting 55-70 mpg (this is the test track potential). The problem is once you get off the test track (i.e., freeway at 55 mph), and start adding in accelerating, etc. it is nowhere near as good. Still it makes a differece overall. 32-36 mpg in mixed driving is not too bad. And the VW Jetta has pretty decent performance when you want it (200 ft-lbs. torque in a pretty small light car). It is a little small, but I like driving it.

So are you in the US JP, if so then that is good you can get one of those , its not diesel is it.

[Serpo]

I have been told that European emissions standards (and possibly Japanese too) measure those emissions in terms of pollution caused PER MILE driven. The EPA measures emissions in terms of pollution caused PER GALLON consumed. As a result the European pollution monitoring results in points being given for increased MPG while EPA pollution monitoring allows for burning more fuel to make the exhaust cleaner.... but because more fuel is consumed there will be more pollution per mile driven.

EPA must be idiots then......


F#@k every gov organization and others you look at are so fffffffffffaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrkkkkkkkk keeeeeeedddddddddddd

[Glass]

Well we got the maxi ,runs on diesel and its nearly 1200ks a tank. Just last weekend we went to a blues music festival in Narooma , the morning we left ,built a low bed in it (we had the slats) and we where dumbfounded because it worked really well.Under the raised bed you can put bins of stuff, have a fold out table cooker and a couple of chairs and you are laughing.

We have one of those trailer things but this was heaps easier.

sounds great. surprised there's 6 foot in the back.

I've got a 4wd ute. Hoping to put a canopy on the back and put a false floor in for some drawers o stuff. Was thinking of a camper trailer but I could do a roof top tent. Don't know what that would be like in high wind compared to a trailer tent. Maybe a backup tent on the ground in the lee of the vehicle for windy times. The tubs not long enough to use for sleeping but I knew that. Now comes the buying off the stuff you need to have for camping and off road. Long list. I think air compressor is next.

I have one of these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzI7JsRgF-k

[palani]

EPA must be idiots then.

Except the U.S. model results in more fuel consumed which means more taxes collected for road repair and bribes and so forth. I don't think the EPA is solely responsible for the situation Detroit is in.

[Neuro]

My car runs about a 1000 km on a full tank of diesel, 45 liters, if driving carefully, could get it up to 1100 km possibly if being very careful, so that's about 600-650 miles for about 12 gallons, so 50-55 mpg, but even when driving around in Istanbul it is economical 35-40 mpg. It's only 90 hp, but Diesel engines have very good torque at low rpm's so it accelerates way better than my 125 hp petrol Volvo I used to drive in Sweden, especially between 0-40 mph. It's a Fiat Fiorino, in UK it is sold as Fiat Qubo or Cubo, if you fold the back seat you can load 2.5 cu.m into it, what's that around 75 cu. f.?

[Neuro]

Except the U.S. model results in more fuel consumed which means more taxes collected for road repair and bribes and so forth. I don't think the EPA is solely responsible for the situation Detroit is in.
And US is such a huge country too. But you can bet your ass on that those who are deciding EPA's policy also were behind the policy of dismantling Detroit's car industry.

[JohnQPublic]

VW's cheating on emissions tests goes to the heart of its US business (http://www.businessinsider.com/if-vw-deceived-consumers-about-its-diesel-cars-then-it-has-a-huge-problem-2015-9)
The EPA said nearly half a million of the automaker's cars were equipped with software designed to cheat on emissions tests (http://www.businessinsider.com/vw-told-to-recall-500000-cars-after-us-government-accuses-it-of-dodging-clean-air-standards-2015-9).

The company's stock has taken a big hit Monday morning (http://www.businessinsider.com/volkswagen-shares-are-getting-crushed-2015-9), and the carmaker's CEO, Martin Winterkorn, has apologized for the deception, saying VW will work to regain customer trust.


In a research note Monday, Evercore auto analyst Arndt Ellinghorst called the violation a "move more worthy of a back-street garage looking to get a used car through a mandated vehicle inspection."

[Neuro]

The diesel Jaguar I bought from my dad, a month before he passed in December last year, I get about 45 mpg on average on, and it is such a comfortable and fun car to drive. Acceleration is phenomenal, because torque is great, even though it is only rated as 155 hp, but I haven't driven it faster than 120 mph... I suppose an equivalent gas engine would be better than a diesel at those speeds and above!

[JohnQPublic]

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=448336

Below is a list of information that is know about the VW Diesel Emissions Scandal. There will be no commentary in this thread. For that you can go to the very quickly moving thread here http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=448053 (http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=448053).

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5/30/2014 WVU CAFEE study that uncovered the emissions scandal: http://www.theicct.org/use-emissions...el-vehicles-us (http://www.theicct.org/use-emissions-testing-light-duty-diesel-vehicles-us)

9/18/2015 EPA press release: http://yosemite.epa.gov/opa/admpress.nsf/bd4379a92ceceeac8525735900400c27/dfc8e33b5ab162b985257ec40057813b!OpenDocument (http://yosemite.epa.gov/opa/admpress.nsf/bd4379a92ceceeac8525735900400c27/dfc8e33b5ab162b985257ec40057813b%21OpenDocument)

9/18/2015 EPA notice of violation: http://www3.epa.gov/otaq/cert/docume...a-09-18-15.pdf (http://www3.epa.gov/otaq/cert/documents/vw-nov-caa-09-18-15.pdf)

9/18/2015 CARB compliance letter set to Volkswagen: http://www.arb.ca.gov/newsrel/in_use...nce_letter.htm (http://www.arb.ca.gov/newsrel/in_use_compliance_letter.htm)

9/18/2015 Volkswagen statement regarding EPA investigation: http://media.vw.com/release/1064/

9/18/2015 Stop sale notice from VWoA to dealers: http://pics.tdiclub.com/data/3209/stop-sale-note3.pdf

9/20/2015 STATEMENT OF PROF. DR. MARTIN WINTERKORN, CEO OF VOLKSWAGEN AG: http://media.vw.com/release/1066/

9/20/2015 VW’s Emissions Cheating Found by Curious Clean-Air Group - Washington Post article with an overview: http://washpost.bloomberg.com/Story?...206LJABAVM0V73 (http://washpost.bloomberg.com/Story?docId=1376-NUXWZM6JTSE901-44SIDIDMH3F3206LJABAVM0V73).

9/21/2015 "Volkswagen Canada has issued a stop-sale order to our dealers for all of the affected vehicles pending resolution of this matter": http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/volk...ging-1.3236548 (http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/volkswagen-emissions-rigging-1.3236548)..

9/21/2015 Tech presentation from TDIFest over the Labor Day weekend on the subject of DEF and SCR by TDIMeister: http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.p...postcount=1613 (http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.php?p=4893129&postcount=1613)

9/21/2015 Volkswagen the subject of an upcoming congressional hearing: http://energycommerce.house.gov/pres...issions-issues (http://energycommerce.house.gov/press-release/upton-murphy-announce-hearing-volkswagen-emissions-issues)

9/22/2015 CEO Martin Winterkorn issues profuse apology: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...ide-6.5bn.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/industry/11881819/Volkswagen-live-VW-issues-profit-warning-sets-aside-6.5bn.html)

September 2015 white paper NOx Control Technologies for Euro 6 Diesel Passenger Cars: http://www.theicct.org/sites/default...2009152015.pdf (http://www.theicct.org/sites/default/files/publications/ICCT_NOx-control-tech_revised%2009152015.pdf)

[JohnQPublic]

Not sure if this is good advice or not:

Forget The Stock Market, Buy A Used Volkswagen Diesel Right Freaking Now (http://thegarage.jalopnik.com/forget-the-stock-market-buy-a-used-volkswagen-diesel-r-1732181250)
Having said that, VW’s epic diesel clusterfuck (http://jalopnik.com/volkswagen-is-screwed-1732039455) is a godsend to anyone buying a car because it’ll open up opportunities that were never available before to regular buyers and here’s why: people are fickle to a fault and bad PR is a death sentence for a car manufacturer because automobiles, unless you’re a Qatari sheik, are not impulse buys.

The negative press the company is receiving (http://jalopnik.com/your-guide-to-dieselgate-volkswagens-diesel-cheating-c-1731857018), coupled with its rapidly declining stock price and the fact that the EPA may hinder the sale of all new TDIs for up to a year (http://jalopnik.com/volkswagen-will-be-the-subject-of-congressional-hearing-1732163610) will leave a sour taste in the mouths of prospective diesel buyers. That’s why initially, prices of newer TDIs that would possibly be affected by any potential recall would slump and you’ll soon be able to find that diesel family hauler you’ve always wanted for a price that’s too good to pass up, but this will not last.

[Cebu_4_2]

VOW is not a happy stock.

[Dogman]

If the price is right snap it up.

The Germans do build things very well as we should know!

Never owned a diesel , but everyone I have known love them, once you get past the stink, for their durability and longevity.

Co's I have worked at had german equipment and dammit that shit was tough, over engineered to the max and parts were moon high in prices ,which is why we built our own parts most of the time ether in in house machine shops, or outside shops.(ran two in two different company's that were into paper converting)

While the stink is in and prices crash is the perfect time to get a diesel one, then you also have a bit more choice of fuels, tho bio is sorta like hens teeth around these parts.

[milehi]

My daughter had a TDI Jetta, then a TDI GTI. Both had high pressure fuel pump failures littering the entire fuel system with metal flakes. What a PITA. I rented a Hyundai i20 in Europe. I thought the fuel gage was broken because the needle never moved off the full mark because of the gas mileage. Good thing too since gas was around seven bucks a gallon. I think it took 95 octane.

[woodman]

I've never owned nor driven one of the smaller diesels such as these VW's. I have had Deisel trucks and a diesel car and they are very fickle and expensive to have work done on. They are tough as hell for hauling. I have gotten the same mpg when hauling as when not hauling and you hardly even notice the load. My Chevys have Detroit Deisels, and the newer GM diesel. If you are not hauling loads on a regular basis I suggest a gasoline engine.

The mpg numbers I've seen for these small diesel cars are amazing but given the expense of repairs I think gas motors are much more economical.

[Glass]

Have run a tdi 1.9 for many years. No major problems mechanically. Was built before this newer engine they are talking about. good economy. Parts can be expensive. To replace an indicator cost ~$1300 at factory parts and labour. $850 done at local shop. Parts are expensive. Had to replace the whole light assembly, not just the globe. I think Serpo runs one as well. But the longer body version.

[Cebu_4_2]

Most parts for imports are less expensive than domestic vehicles.

What I wonder is what is different between the USi diesels and the EU ones. Since it is diesel it doesnt have a timing issue, which leaves the pulse injection, camshafts and compression. I have looked into this several times and have not figured the trick out. I don't see why we can't convert the USi models into the same as the EU models.

[Cebu_4_2]

Parts are less and I do my own work so it is actually pretty cheap.

[woodman]

Parts are less and I do my own work so it is actually pretty cheap.

If you can do your own work, it is way better to run the diesels. My son in law has one of my old ones and does his own wrenching. It is a plus to have a network of enthusiasts to help with issues. I've gotten a lot of help from Deiselplace forum.

[Glass]

These systems have various sensors. I'm not a mechanic but a lot of people talk about these sensors. MAP sensors?? some means of tuning them on and off. I think people who chip their diesels often modify these sensors or remove them all together. They affect air fuel mixtures and I think there is some kind of recyc of exhaust gases back into the system for more efficient burn.

[govcheetos]

If you can do your own work, it is way better to run the diesels. My son in law has one of my old ones and does his own wrenching. It is a plus to have a network of enthusiasts to help with issues. I've gotten a lot of help from Deiselplace forum.

TheTruckStop.com is an excellent forum for older chevrolet 6.2 and 6.5's. Lots no BS advice from regular joes who use their rigs for work instead of just spending daddy's money.

I've found diesels to do very well on long hauls, especially pulling loads, but don't seem to like start and go around town stuff. And are kind of annoying to drive around town with the noise, smell and vibration, at least on my old stuff anyway.

[Hitch]

I've found diesels to do very well on long hauls, especially pulling loads, but don't seem to like start and go around town stuff. And are kind of annoying to drive around town with the noise, smell and vibration, at least on my old stuff anyway.

Diesels seem to like to run, and run constantly. I can see the start/stop stuff around town as being hard on the engine. I like the simplicity of marine diesels, like Perkins or Lister even. You can bypass the starter and hand crank the bitches if you need to, being direct combustion. A lot of our diesel generators will run for day after day, constantly, without any issues. Put those in a car, imo. Why not a small car powered by a Lugger diesel? Just leave it running when you go into the store shopping. :)