Forced Vaccination

[crimethink]

My wife met with a business couple today. They've been friends since high school.

The male of the couple recently sliced his hand real good while preparing dinner.

He went to the local (to them) network hospital for stitches. This is a rural community in Northern California.

The ER staff refused to treat him until the cops showed up, because the kitchen knife slice was "obviously a defensive wound."

The pig that responded lambasted the man for his "refusal to cooperate," repeatedly asking him "who are you protecting"?

He held his ground on the facts, and finally, the pig went away.

ER staff proceeded to treat the wound, but then informed him he would be required to accept a tetanus vaccination.

When he objected, he was informed that if he continued to refuse, "law enforcement" would be recalled, and it would be "administered involuntarily."

Frightened at the chutzpah of the "health care professionals," he gave in.

He was deathly ill for three days after, and, fortunately, his primary care doctor wrote a letter stating that he is never to be given a tetanus injection again.

Take this report for what it is; accept it or reject as you wish.. I cannot offer additional proof, since the man has an established business, and "can't afford" to make a ruckus against a large "health care" corporation by going on record.

[Cebu_4_2]

Just had my tetanus last month, no need for another.

[Neuro]

He would have been better off staying at home licking his wound...

[hoarder]

Substitute for stitches? I've heard of people using super glue in some instances. Any other ideas?

[Ares]

Substitute for stitches? I've heard of people using super glue in some instances. Any other ideas?

Superglue works, I've used it when I was working construction years ago. There was one incident where I really busted my nose with the back end of a drill, drilling through a header. It hit a nail and the back end swung around and hit me in the face. Anyway, I went to the ER because my nose wouldn't stop bleeding. It required silver nitrate to cauterize the wound. While there I was asked repeatedly if I wanted a tetanus shot. I refused each time, the doctor came in the room and said the nurse says you've refused the tetanus shot. I said yes. He goes well its strong encouraged. I said why? I didn't step on or injure myself with a rusty nail. I was hit in the face when the back end of my drill swung around. Are you going to cauterize the wound or not? If not give me the damn silver nitrate and I'll do it myself. He said he would do it, but I can attest the vaccine agenda being forced on you if you visit the ER.

[Neuro]

Superglue works, I've used it when I was working construction years ago. There was one incident where I really busted my nose with the back end of a drill, drilling through a header. It hit a nail and the back end swung around and hit me in the face. Anyway, I went to the ER because my nose wouldn't stop bleeding. It required silver nitrate to cauterize the wound. While there I was asked repeatedly if I wanted a tetanus shot. I refused each time, the doctor came in the room and said the nurse says you've refused the tetanus shot. I said yes. He goes well its strong encouraged. I said why? I didn't step on or injure myself with a rusty nail. I was hit in the face when the back end of my drill swung around. Are you going to cauterize the wound or not? If not give me the damn silver nitrate and I'll do it myself. He said he would do it, but I can attest the vaccine agenda being forced on you if you visit the ER.
I wonder wtf they should force someone to get the tetanus shot in the first place. If you get it only you are going to suffer it anyway. There is no risk of transferring it to someone else and starting an epidemic... Well I know the reason. Fokkers!

[Hatha Sunahara]

Amazing how everybody calls the police nowadays. If in doubt, call the cops. No wonder it's such a dangerous world. The cops are trigger happy, and everybody calls them when there is an 'authority deficit'. Too bad people aren't taught to think for themselves.


Hatha

[Uncle Salty]

The militarization of medicine! Just fucking awesome!

[Cebu_4_2]

Too bad people aren't taught to think for themselves.


Hatha

Your talking about the Medical Industry, these workers are brainwashed and when anything conflicting happens they are clueless.

[crimethink]

Substitute for stitches? I've heard of people using super glue in some instances. Any other ideas?

Plain Super Glue (ethyl cyanoacrylate) will indeed work, with the possibility of some irritation. Preferred is "medical" 2-octyl cyanoacrylate, "restricted" but nonetheless available from some vendors.

Sutures are also available despite being "restricted medical items." A premium example:

http://www.adventuremedicalkits.com/medical-kits/suture-syringe-kit-1.html

Another:

http://www.nitro-pak.com/emergency-surgical-and-suture-kit


And for training (or...):

http://www.simulab.com/product/surgery/suturing/student-suturing-kit

[crimethink]

I wonder wtf they should force someone to get the tetanus shot in the first place. If you get it only you are going to suffer it anyway. There is no risk of transferring it to someone else and starting an epidemic... Well I know the reason. Fokkers!

My wife said "just tell them you already had it two years ago," but I suspect that may not work, since preventing tetanus is not their real interest.

[crimethink]

Amazing how everybody calls the police nowadays. If in doubt, call the cops. No wonder it's such a dangerous world. The cops are trigger happy, and everybody calls them when there is an 'authority deficit'. Too bad people aren't taught to think for themselves.


Too much Talmudvision.

The absurdity began when my wife's classmate-friend was accused of lying about the source of the wound. He's not some tattooed biker but an upstanding, presentable man who runs a successful BAM & online company.

[monty]

My wife said "just tell them you already had it two years ago," but I suspect that may not work, since preventing tetanus is not their real interest.

It has worked for me the last 2 times I had to have stitches.

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[Neuro]

My wife said "just tell them you already had it two years ago," but I suspect that may not work, since preventing tetanus is not their real interest.
An even better one may be to tell them you had the Tetanus infection already. I bet they have never heard of anyone having actual Tetanus... 'It wasn't too bad I just had a difficulty opening the jaw for a couple of weeks, the strange thing was that I had the shot a couple of weeks prior as a precaution, because I was going to tear down this old derelict barn on my yard, you know with rusty nails and all, sure enough I stepped on this old nail, and a few days later I couldn't open my jaw, great for my weight though, I lost 20 lbs! Dr Mamboni told me I never needed to get another Tetanus shot in my life." :)

[mick silver]

I have used Plain Super Glue more then 6 times now . works just fine . we also keep a few tubes around the house barn tool sheds and in a few tool boxes it could save your life if there no were to go without a long drive and plus I hate fucking doctors did I tell you all that

[Twisted Titan]

Tell you had a deathly reaction to it the last time and under instruction never to get it again

[crimethink]

Tell you had a deathly reaction to it the last time and under instruction never to get it again

That's not working consistently any more. Sometimes they demand "proof" in the form of "documentation in your medical record."

[Neuro]

That's not working consistently any more. Sometimes they demand "proof" in the form of "documentation in your medical record."
It happened when I went to a family reunion in Kenya, tried to get the document from the hospital, but it was gone...

[crimethink]

It happened when I went to a family reunion in Kenya, tried to get the document from the hospital, but it was gone...

I know a patient who had a life-threatening reaction to a drug years ago, complete with ambulance ride for respiratory depression, and was told to never, ever take it again. A quack at UCSF, Jewish "doctor," told her "without evidence, she needed to try it again." Seriously.

[Tumbleweed]

I've watched lambs die from tetanus due to castrating and docking their tails with rubber bands. It's a tough way to die. After trying rubber bands I switched to a sharp knife to do the job.

I've had tetanus shots and probably wouldn't refuse one if I'd get poked with a dirty or rusty nail because of what I've witnessed with the lambs.

[crimethink]

I've had tetanus shots and probably wouldn't refuse one if I'd get poked with a dirty or rusty nail because of what I've witnessed with the lambs.

Do you trust what is in the "Tetanus" vaccination? Is it only vaccination against Tetanus, or is it a special cocktail not for your health? Is there a micro-RFID chip within?

And, is the Tetanus vaccination truly "required" every 10 years, or will those in earlier years still convey protection? Even Pharmacide Industry-favorable sources admit "10 years" is misleading:


There is evidence that the tetanus immunization remains highly effective for much longer than 10 years.

http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/understanding-tetanus-prevention


We simply don't have answers. And considering the evidence we do have, of deliberately tainted vaccines, I'm willing to risk the consequences.

[crimethink]

Q: Is tetanus deadly?

A: The disease is severe but not always fatal. In fact, even untreated, about 60 or 70 percent of people who get it recover, but it can take months. With modern treatment in a hospital intensive care unit, the mortality rate drops to about 10 percent. Still, that’s pretty significant, I’d say.

http://www.thesurvivaldoctor.com/2013/10/09/tetanus-shot/

[Neuro]

The time you got the Clostridium Tetani bacteria until the infection breaks out is typically 8 days, and it takes about 15 days to develop immunity after a vaccination, so in most cases getting vaccinated after a puncture wound wouldn't offer you any protection. Occasionally though it may take longer than 8 days before the infection starts...

[Tumbleweed]

Do you trust what is in the "Tetanus" vaccination? Is it only vaccination against Tetanus, or is it a special cocktail not for your health? Is there a micro-RFID chip within?

And, is the Tetanus vaccination truly "required" every 10 years, or will those in earlier years still convey protection? Even Pharmacide Industry-favorable sources admit "10 years" is misleading:


There is evidence that the tetanus immunization remains highly effective for much longer than 10 years.

http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/understanding-tetanus-prevention


We simply don't have answers. And considering the evidence we do have, of deliberately tainted vaccines, I'm willing to risk the consequences.

I don't know Fred. I give a lot of vacinations to cattle because the buyers of them want them vacinated. If you don't they back off on what they pay and it's a substantial amount. I think the vacinations sometimes give the animals the disease and some cases I know of it's been proved and the drug companies paid for the losses. It's a profitable business selling the vaccine and then the anti-biotics to combat the disease the vaccine gave them. You're damned if you do and damned if you don't. If calves that have been given a vaccine are exposed to ones that haven't the ones that haven't really get sick.

I've had some tetanus shots and I survived. I don't know long term what the effects may have been on me. I avoid flu shots and I worry about kids who are forced to take shots to attend school. I have my aches and pains but I've always been very healthy otherwise.

The lambs I've seen with tetanus suffer a lot. It always was one hundred percent fatal for them. Their muscles lock up and they get stiff as a poker, they can't move and they stay that way. Lots of moaning and pain it appears to me. After I'd seen enough of them with it I'd just shoot them to put them out of their misery when I knew they had tetanus. No sense letting them suffer a long and painful death.

[Glass]

I was told by my old GP that you really only needed 2 shots max. 1 the first time you cut yourself then a booster or second shot sometime later, perhaps with another cut or injury. The last time I nearly sliced a finger off was about 15 or so year ago. By then I had had probably at least 7 or 8 tetanus shots for various cuts. He said I wouldn't need any more, I had had enough for life.

I've been working on that basis. I've also taken to not cutting myself so much which helps. My work doesn't involve knives or blades these days so it is easier but there is still the odd accident with tools or sharp metal.

I've said before that women will be made sterile if they have 3 tetanus shots in the space of 6 months. This is a big thing in Africa.

[monty]

I don't know Fred. I give a lot of vacinations to cattle because the buyers of them want them vacinated. If you don't they back off on what they pay and it's a substantial amount. I think the vacinations sometimes give the animals the disease and some cases I know of it's been proved and the drug companies paid for the losses. It's a profitable business selling the vaccine and then the anti-biotics to combat the disease the vaccine gave them. You're damned if you do and damned if you don't. If calves that have been given a vaccine are exposed to ones that haven't the ones that haven't really get sick. I've had some tetanus shots and I survived. I don't know long term what the effects may have been on me. I avoid flu shots and I worry about kids who are forced to take shots to attend school. I have my aches and pains but I've always been very healthy otherwise. The lambs I've seen with tetanus suffer a lot. It always was one hundred percent fatal for them. Their muscles lock up and they get stiff as a poker, they can't move and they stay that way. Lots of moaning and pain it appears to me. After I'd seen enough of them with it I'd just shoot them to put them out of their misery when I knew they had tetanus. No sense letting them suffer a long and painful death.

Back in the 1950's my father docked about 185 lambs every year using rubber bands I don't recall any problems, infections or ever losing a lamb. He vacinated the calves for blackleg and shipping fever as well for market reasons too. He always lambed his sheep in the last half of January during what the old timers called the winter thaw. Do You think maybe the cold weather could have something to do with the lambs not getting tetanus?

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[hoarder]

I think there is no question that some vaccinations can be beneficial in certain instances. The problem lies in the fact that those in charge of designing, manufacturing and marketing them cannot be trusted at all. Whether or not to submit to them is just a wildass guess on our part.

[Cebu_4_2]

I think there is no question that some vaccinations can be beneficial in certain instances. The problem lies in the fact that those in charge of designing, manufacturing and marketing them cannot be trusted at all. Whether or not to submit to them is just a wildass guess on our part.

And the current medical industry only circumvents what it is thought. If you go in for a sore throat and tell them you have been taking vitamin C you are on the shit list. In any hospital in the usi you go under surgery the only thing you get is sugar water... pffft.

[Tumbleweed]

Back in the 1950's my father docked about 185 lambs every year using rubber bands I don't recall any problems, infections or ever losing a lamb. He vacinated the calves for blackleg and shipping fever as well for market reasons too. He always lambed his sheep in the last half of January during what the old timers called the winter thaw. Do You think maybe the cold weather could have something to do with the lambs not getting tetanus?

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We were lambing in Febuary in a shed and we probably docked about six hundred head a year. It may have been the fault of the rubber bands not being heavy or strong enough. We thought the tetanus infection probably entered before their tails or scrotums dropped off because the rubber bands weren't tight enough. There weren't to many but always a few and enough that I stopped using the bands and went back to a knife.

Cattle men now are using a heavy rubber bander for castration on older bull calves and give them a shot of long acting anti-biotic in an attempt to keep them from having problems while their scrotum dries up and falls off.

[Hillbilly]

As far as I know you can not just get a tetnus shot anymore. I had to get one and got a TDP shot what ever the fuck that is.

[Glass]

Tetanus, Diptheria and Puss. (Pertussis) which is actually whooping cough.

[Hillbilly]

Tetanus, Diptheria and Puss. (Pertussis) which is actually whooping cough.

That was it, now did I get a bad cocktail of poison or will I be ok?

[Neuro]

That was it, now did I get a bad cocktail of poison or will I be ok?
Yes and yes. If you look anything like your avatar, you could probably thrive in the atmosphere of Venus...

[Neuro]

For preventing tetanus it is probably a good idea to douse any deep and dirty wounds with colloidal silver...

[gunDriller]

Substitute for stitches? I've heard of people using super glue in some instances. Any other ideas?

duct tape works real good.

the main thing is that the laceration be clean.

this can mean opening it up and rinsing it with sterile solution, or alcohol.

if it's a bad cut that part can cause a person to faint.

[Cebu_4_2]

duct tape works real good.


Until you want to take it off.

[Twisted Titan]

We were lambing in Febuary in a shed and we probably docked about six hundred head a year. It may have been the fault of the rubber bands not being heavy or strong enough. We thought the tetanus infection probably entered before their tails or scrotums dropped off because the rubber bands weren't tight enough. There weren't to many but always a few and enough that I stopped using the bands and went back to a knife.

Cattle men now are using a heavy rubber bander for castration on older bull calves and give them a shot of long acting anti-biotic in an attempt to keep them from having problems while their scrotum dries up and falls off.



I dont know anything about farming but the little i read from your exchange it seems that these infections comes from poor hygeniene pratices after surgery.

Also the timing of the procedure.

[Tumbleweed]

The rubber bands used for castration and docking the tails are heavy. The circulation of blood stops and the scrotum/testicles, tail and rubber band dry up and fall off. That piece of dead material can be a source of bacteria before it falls off. So you're right I believe. That's why I stopped using them and only used a knife. The wound quickly scabs over and heals with no source of bacteria hanging there when you do it with a knife.