Our Universe May Have Emerged from a Black Hole

[singular_me]

what is interesting is that when data is lacking, resorting to "esoteric/intuitive" assumptions which then can or cannot be corroborated is the only solution. Not that I discredit the assumptions... just seeing again, that without esoteric imagination or magical thinking, no new pieces of the puzzle can be discovered

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Our Universe May Have Emerged from a Black Hole in a Higher Dimensional Universe

August 8, 2014

New research from theoretical physicists at the Perimeter Institute proposes that our universe may have emerged from a black hole in a higher-dimensional universe.

The big bang poses a big question: if it was indeed the cataclysm that blasted our universe into existence 13.7 billion years ago, what sparked it?

Three Perimeter Institute researchers have a new idea about what might have come before the big bang. It’s a bit perplexing, but it is grounded in sound mathematics, testable, and enticing enough to earn the cover story in Scientific American, called “The Black Hole at the Beginning of Time.”

What we perceive as the big bang, they argue, could be the three-dimensional “mirage” of a collapsing star in a universe profoundly different than our own.

“Cosmology’s greatest challenge is understanding the big bang itself,” write Perimeter Institute Associate Faculty member Niayesh Afshordi, Affiliate Faculty member and University of Waterloo professor Robert Mann, and PhD student Razieh Pourhasan.

Conventional understanding holds that the big bang began with a singularity – an unfathomably hot and dense phenomenon of spacetime where the standard laws of physics break down. Singularities are bizarre, and our understanding of them is limited.

“For all physicists know, dragons could have come flying out of the singularity,” Afshordi says in an interview with Nature.

The problem, as the authors see it, is that the big bang hypothesis has our relatively comprehensible, uniform, and predictable universe arising from the physics-destroying insanity of a singularity. It seems unlikely.

So perhaps something else happened. Perhaps our universe was never singular in the first place.

Their suggestion: our known universe could be the three-dimensional “wrapping” around a four-dimensional black hole’s event horizon. In this scenario, our universe burst into being when a star in a four-dimensional universe collapsed into a black hole.

In our three-dimensional universe, black holes have two-dimensional event horizons – that is, they are surrounded by a two-dimensional boundary that marks the “point of no return.” In the case of a four-dimensional universe, a black hole would have a three-dimensional event horizon.

In their proposed scenario, our universe was never inside the singularity; rather, it came into being outside an event horizon, protected from the singularity. It originated as – and remains – just one feature in the imploded wreck of a four-dimensional star.

The researchers emphasize that this idea, though it may sound “absurd,” is grounded firmly in the best modern mathematics describing space and time. Specifically, they’ve used the tools of holography to “turn the big bang into a cosmic mirage.” Along the way, their model appears to address long-standing cosmological puzzles and – crucially – produce testable predictions.

Of course, our intuition tends to recoil at the idea that everything and everyone we know emerged from the event horizon of a single four-dimensional black hole. We have no concept of what a four-dimensional universe might look like. We don’t know how a four-dimensional “parent” universe itself came to be.

But our fallible human intuitions, the researchers argue, evolved in a three-dimensional world that may only reveal shadows of reality.

They draw a parallel to Plato’s allegory of the cave, in which prisoners spend their lives seeing only the flickering shadows cast by a fire on a cavern wall.

“Their shackles have prevented them from perceiving the true world, a realm with one additional dimension,” they write. “Plato’s prisoners didn’t understand the powers behind the sun, just as we don’t understand the four-dimensional bulk universe. But at least they knew where to look for answers.”

http://scitechdaily.com/universe-may-emerged-black-hole-higher-dimensional-universe/

[Glass]

so now they are saying that black holes could actually be holes? The thinking was that it was dense mass, so dense that light could not be emitted. That makes it appear to be a hole.

Of course the elephant is always there in the room while these guys philosophize about how the universe came to be. have heard some creative stories but nothing that ranks it higher than that other story.

[singular_me]

hey Glass,

well, as a matter of fact, a baby's birth isnt more stranger than the idea of black holes being wombs. Id think that each level of creation has its own ways to reproduce or replicate itself ... of course, in the case of black holes, it would be on a cosmic scale.

[aeondaze]

so now they are saying that black holes could actually be holes? The thinking was that it was dense mass, so dense that light could not be emitted. That makes it appear to be a hole.

Of course the elephant is always there in the room while these guys philosophize about how the universe came to be. have heard some creative stories but nothing that ranks it higher than that other story.

And of course, you're the 'expert' on astrophysics.

These scientists are merely hypothesising, what's wrong with that? Why do you have to get bent out of shape every time a scientist opens their mouth?

It's fricken appalling how you get all indignant and self righteous every time science tries to expand on what we know.

[crimethink]

It's fricken appalling how you get all indignant and self righteous every time science tries to expand on what we know.

What claims to be "science" is usually nothing more than someone with a Ph.D. pulling shit out of their ass.

What's really sad is how people swallow it, and then think they're "enlightened."

[singular_me]

Many astrophysicists today agree that the day we understand what is happening inside black holes, astrophysics as we know it will fall apart. 2000 years of research will go down the toilet.

Models just do not exist.... well they do for a while but then are replaced with others... getting PhDs, mastering in something that eventually will be proven erroneous, makes little sense... the computer age makes everything go faster, including learning. in 20y from now, einstein will be seen as a ignorant.

Academic degrees should become obsolete... and replaced with "study certifications" a PhD makes people assume that someone who gets it, know it all but it couldnt further from the truth.

[expat4ever]

This isnt the first time I have heard this and I think I mentioned this maybe a month ago in another thread on here.
There is definitely something going on at the center of our galazy and most galaxies. Its also interesting the the spiral galazies all resemble each other. Fibonnachi sequence? I am nowhere near smart enough to figure that out but it certainly looks a lot like many of the other examples of that that I have seen.

I could see how this theory could work except that when we observe other infant gaxies where stars are being born, they are obviously being born from the cosmic dust and gasses in the nebula. Could the black hole at the center of our gaxy swallow everything in it and then explode and become a new nebula to start all over again? Perhaps. I think there's something bigger in play here. I'm not religious so I cant say its god but I am spiritual so I can say its something bigger than any of us can imagine.

In the recent photos of our universe that were put together in Hawaii, they showed the interconnectedness (Is that a word?) of all of the galaxies via some sort of electric pathway? Not really sure I understand it all the way, in fact I am certain that I dont.. However there are some striking similarities in other things.. I will post later if I can find all the photos I am looking for.

[EE_]

Many astrophysicists today agree that the day we understand what is happening inside black holes, astrophysics as we know it will fall apart. 2000 years of research will go down the toilet.

Models just do not exist.... well they do for a while but then are replaced with others... getting PhDs, mastering in something that eventually will be proven erroneous, makes little sense... the computer age make everything go faster, including learning. in 20y from now, einstein will be seen as a ignorant

Stephen Hawking should be loaded onto a rocket and shot into a black hole to hopefully find out.

The computer age makes everything go faster, including our destruction.
20y from now, the planet might be a war torn radioactive mess...we might not be here.

[singular_me]

here is another not so recent article but which clearly illustrates what I say above, Knowledge is elusive because unlimited. One never knows enough.

I am definitely pro-sciences but find how society approaches it, completely irrational... well follow the money, theories are mere patents/copyrights (monopoly) that delay discoveries or prevent more compelling ones to be looked at.

Just imagine the waste of time students spend years on theses whose accuracies will eventually be challenged.

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Massive Blue Supergiant Challenges Theory of How Big a Star Can Be
By Joseph Calamia | July 21, 2010

Welcome to the Tarantula Nebula, home to heavy-weight stars. Using data from the Hubble Space Telescope and Very Large Telescope in Chile, scientists have found a star estimated at about 265 times the mass of the sun. That makes it by far the most massive star ever found, and challenges astronomers’ notions of just how big a star can get.

The Tarantula Nebula is 165,000 light years away in the the Large Magellenic Cloud galaxy. This star, called R136a1, is located in the R136 stellar cluster; with 10 million times the luminosity of the sun, it’s the brightest of a bevy of massive stars recently discovered. The finding, published earlier this month in the Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society, may require scientists to come up with a new stellar life cycle for the most massive stars. The life a star leads depends on its mass, and the previously estimated mass limit was thought to be around 150 times the sun’s mass.

Lead author Paul Crowther explains that the big guy falls into the stellar category of “blue supergiants,” which are still a mystery from start to finish: It’s not clear whether a star can be born this big, or whether it grows through mergers.

Supergiants also remain as much of a puzzle at the end of their lives. Although all will eventually go supernova, the type of explosion they will generate is unknown. They could form neutron stars or black holes or obliterate themselves. Whatever their fate is, he says, “We still can’t say.” [ScienceNOW]

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/07/21/massive-blue-supergiant-challenges-theory-of-how-big-a-star-can-be/#.VEow31dr_t0

[singular_me]

I have to agree with that EE... thats why my plans are to organize Tesla meetups in my area... the 1st one will take place early Dec along with the screening of Thrive, with the approval of the local library :) Meetups will focus on long-term and cheap/free solutions, not just Tesla.

I refuse to just sit and watch... I also have a free e-book coming up some time next year addressing the duality of emotions (and sexuality), to help people resolve paradoxical thoughts. The goal is to become guest speaker on radio shows.

if everybody does something at his own level... to act globally, think locally.



The computer age makes everything go faster, including our destruction.
20y from now, the planet might be a war torn radioactive mess...we might not be here.

[Celtic Rogue]

In the recent photos of our universe that were put together in Hawaii, they showed the interconnectedness (Is that a word?) of all of the galaxies via some sort of electric pathway?

Its funny you said electrical pathway! The structures of a brain cell and the universe are eerily similar!

http://quidamus.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/neuron-galaxy-large.jpg

[Glass]

black holes, are the they end or the beginning?

as others have pointed out we don't know what black holes are so speculating thats' what they do is fair enough. Maybe we should encourage more of this thinking and some more outside the box theories might start surfacing in science circles. I think there's a spiritual element that links us to the earth and then to the wider universe. What exactly spiritual is made up of I'm not sure. Energy is one thing, maybe it's the only thing. I'm not saying only god spirit but every things spirit. poor explaining.

The universe is just a mouse brain? What if the mouse was on LSD? ok maybe spaced out has more meaning.

[singular_me]

exactly, each human being a micro replica of the cosmos. The Whole Is One. Thats why 'divide and conquer' is working so well, the agenda here is to prevent us from looking at ourselves differently. This knowledge is 4000+ year old, this is the shabby secret of the elites.

getting degrees/PhDs is also good for the "student loans" agenda.



Its funny you said electrical pathway! The structures of a brain cell and the universe are eerily similar!

http://quidamus.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/neuron-galaxy-large.jpg

[Horn]

It's fricken appalling how you get all indignant and self righteous every time science tries to expand on what we know.

Pot's calling kettle a blackhole above...lol

Of course by the very name "blackHOLE" we might be lead to ass-u-me, that all gravity in the universe creates hollow spheres...

[Santa]

Our universe? OUR universe? No way, it's MY universe. I called dibs way back in 46, and I don't recollect ever popping out of a black hole.

[singular_me]

wonder what Aeon would make of this:

In our three-dimensional universe, black holes have two-dimensional event horizons – that is, they are surrounded by a two-dimensional boundary that marks the “point of no return.” In the case of a four-dimensional universe, a black hole would have a three-dimensional event horizon.

now astrophysicists contemplate a 2nd and 4th dimensions we may never experience. scientists have to resort to magical thinking to explain what they cannot prove... in fact there are about to hit the "God brick wall"

http://www.veda.harekrsna.cz/images/atheism.jpg



Pot's calling kettle a blackhole above...lol

Of course by the very name "blackHOLE" we might be lead to ass-u-me, that all gravity in the universe creates hollow spheres...

[crimethink]

the screening of Thrive...
if everybody does something at his own level... to act globally, think locally.

If you think highly of "Thrive," then it should be "think globalistically," because it's globalist New Age propaganda under the guise of being "anti-globalist."

[singular_me]

why because it speaks of the Torus... and the crop circles and possible ETs at the very beginning.... its only 25mins however, skip that, the rest is well worth it.

the torus is used as a model in modern physics... google this: https://www.google.com/search?q=torus+phsics&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb

and is also part of lost/concealed ancient knowledge.


If you think highly of "Thrive," then it should be "think globalistically," because it's globalist New Age propaganda under the guise of being "anti-globalist."

who the %$# care if one believes in crop circles and ETs... there are a lot more strange things happening in the Universe, see my "black hole wombs thread"... seems like scientists are becoming very new agy too.

there are many on here who have tried to pigeonhole me as a new ager... they all failed. I have no agenda, just DIG where it I deem it necessary and I found out that all religions are astro-numero-kabalah-theology based. So who is the new ager now?

above all I am a voluntaryist... just target coercion and non aggression principles. Besides that, anything goes :) Thats Thrive's conclusion too.

if you dont want to investigate crop circles, thats your business... no prob with me. But dont tell me that you wouldnt want free energy for the whole planet and terminate central banking along with big pharma, etc. I sincerely do believe that some born in an elite environment clearly see what is happening and want to help out humanity... and the producer is one of them.

[crimethink]

why because it speaks of the Torus... and the crop circles and possible ETs at the very beginning.... its only 25mins however, skip that, the rest is well worth it.

the torus is used as a model in modern physics... google this: https://www.google.com/search?q=torus+phsics&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb

and is also part of lost/concealed ancient knowledge.



who the %$# care if one believes in crop circles and ETs... there are a lot more strange things happening in the Universe, see my "black hole wombs thread"... seems like scientists are becoming very new agy too.

there are many on here who have tried to pigeonhole me as a new ager... they all failed. I have no agenda, just DIG where it I deem it necessary and I found out that all religions are astro-numero-theology based. So who is the new ager now?

above all I am a voluntaryist... just target coercion and non aggression principles. Besides that, anything goes :) Thats Thrive's conclusion too.

“We are a group of people who were interviewed for and appear in the movie Thrive, and who hereby publicly disassociate ourselves from the film.

Thrive is a very different film from what we were led to expect when we agreed to be interviewed. We are dismayed that we were not given a chance to know its content until the time of its public release. We are equally dismayed that our participation is being used to give credibility to ideas and agendas that we see as dangerously misguided.

We stand by what each of us said when we were interviewed. But we have grave disagreements with some of the film’s content and feel the need to make this public statement to avoid the appearance that our presence in the film constitutes any kind of endorsement.

Signatories (in alphabetical order)

Deepak Chopra

Duane Elgin

Amy Goodman

Paul Hawken

Edgar Mitchell

John Perkins

John Robbins

Elisabet Sahtouris

Vandana Shiva”



I respect Chopra, Mitchell, and Robbins. Goodman, the usual Jewsmedia operative, so I'll ignore her. I don't know well about most of the rest.

[singular_me]

here is the black hole: one jet goes in, the other out... rejecting gas giving birth to galaxies.... sounds plausible to me. It also seems as if a black hole has a mouth and rectum... the galaxy cannibalizing itself then regenerating matter and light. Fascinating.

the Torus describes what happens inside black holes, the zero point is at the center of the Torus.



http://www.feandft.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Galaxy-Jets.jpg


This isnt the first time I have heard this and I think I mentioned this maybe a month ago in another thread on here.
There is definitely something going on at the center of our galazy and most galaxies. Its also interesting the the spiral galazies all resemble each other. Fibonnachi sequence? I am nowhere near smart enough to figure that out but it certainly looks a lot like many of the other examples of that that I have seen.

I could see how this theory could work except that when we observe other infant gaxies where stars are being born, they are obviously being born from the cosmic dust and gasses in the nebula. Could the black hole at the center of our gaxy swallow everything in it and then explode and become a new nebula to start all over again? Perhaps. I think there's something bigger in play here. I'm not religious so I cant say its god but I am spiritual so I can say its something bigger than any of us can imagine.

In the recent photos of our universe that were put together in Hawaii, they showed the interconnectedness (Is that a word?) of all of the galaxies via some sort of electric pathway? Not really sure I understand it all the way, in fact I am certain that I dont.. However there are some striking similarities in other things.. I will post later if I can find all the photos I am looking for.

[singular_me]

was not aware of the statement, but gosh I am glad they did it, dissociating themselves :) I am just sorry for Vandana Shiva ...

to me what they all said, fit the overall message of the doc but the producer is definitely arguing for no government but a justice structure to make sure that non coercive/aggression principles are respected by everybody.

crimethink, would you plz stay on topic now. Thanks



“We are a group of people who were interviewed for and appear in the movie Thrive, and who hereby publicly disassociate ourselves from the film.

Thrive is a very different film from what we were led to expect when we agreed to be interviewed. We are dismayed that we were not given a chance to know its content until the time of its public release. We are equally dismayed that our participation is being used to give credibility to ideas and agendas that we see as dangerously misguided.

We stand by what each of us said when we were interviewed. But we have grave disagreements with some of the film’s content and feel the need to make this public statement to avoid the appearance that our presence in the film constitutes any kind of endorsement.

Signatories (in alphabetical order)

Deepak Chopra

Duane Elgin

Amy Goodman

Paul Hawken

Edgar Mitchell

John Perkins

John Robbins

Elisabet Sahtouris

Vandana Shiva”



I respect Chopra, Mitchell, and Robbins. Goodman, the usual Jewsmedia operative, so I'll ignore her. I don't know well about most of the rest.

[crimethink]

crimethink, would you plz stay on topic now. Thanks

You brought up the New Age Sew-age called "Thrive," so I was on topic.

But here ya go, something more directly relevant, LOL -


Black holes do NOT exist and the Big Bang Theory is wrong, claims scientist - and she has the maths to prove it

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2769156/Black-holes-NOT-exist-Big-Bang-Theory-wrong-claims-scientist-maths-prove-it.html#ixzz3H63sL54I

[singular_me]

there no new age out there... all the knowledge (when not subverted) leads to the same ocean... God, it is just a matter of perceptions and education, individual research.. I also said that I'd start a Telsa meet up... initiated by the screening.
... however, the Plasma Theory claims that the big bang never occurred and I'd agree with that claim, but big bang and black holes are two different things.

I dont mind the idea of black holes theory being challenged, but HOW do you explain the jet emitted from the center of the galaxy? Maybe its a faulty terminology, maybe time to rename black holes. I am all for it... BUT STILL how to explain a 5000 Light year long jet? What is happening in the center of the galaxy that causes it... where are the matter and light going when they get sucked in? This is more important to me than a possible outdated terminology. A gravitational gate must exist to enter any another dimension... thats the question I have/had when posting the OP.

5,000 Light Year Long Jet of Superheated Gas Ejected from a Supermassive Black Hole
http://scitechdaily.com/5000-light-year-long-jet-of-superheated-gas-ejected-from-a-supermassive-black-hole/

what makes you angry about what is called new age??... your beliefs should be in your heart first. Trust me... all religions are based on mystical math... all of them. why was creation finished on day 6, why the 12 tribes of israel, why 12 apostles, with a trinity (3), why born on dec 25, why is SUNday the day of God, why christ died at 33 and resurrected 3 days later? I could go on and on.... all these numbers are mystical math.





Black holes do NOT exist and the Big Bang Theory is wrong, claims scientist - and she has the maths to prove it

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2769156/Black-holes-NOT-exist-Big-Bang-Theory-wrong-claims-scientist-maths-prove-it.html#ixzz3H63sL54I


EDIT:
FROM THE ARTICLE:
Namely, Einstein’s theory of gravity predicts the formation of black holes. But a fundamental law of quantum theory states that no information from the universe can ever disappear....

It is not because they cannot see what is happening that the information disappeared. The Ether exists and nobody can see it... the Ether produces electromagnetic fields that glue the cosmos together. I am not fan of einstein...

[singular_me]

while the term black hole may be questioned ... this is REAL... telescopes dont make this up. One jet in, one jet out... the jet in is not really visible since matter and light get darker the more they approach the center.

This image was taken in July 2010 with Hubble's Wide Field Camera 3
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/.a/6a00d8341bf7f753ef015433205698970c-pi

[Ponce]

You guys worry about the universe for me................... and I'll worry about my 1.65 piece of property.

V

[expat4ever]

Its funny you said electrical pathway! The structures of a brain cell and the universe are eerily similar!

http://quidamus.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/neuron-galaxy-large.jpg
Nice you beat me to it. Thats exactly what i was going to post this evening. Also take a look at mushroom mycelium under a microscope. Same type of look as is our blood vessels in the human body..

[expat4ever]

Was doing a seach to see if this was posted yet. This looks like the best thread ofr it. Explains even more about what we were talking about here. There's about 6 videos in this series. I'm only on the 2nd one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjG6O6SXz2M

[Glass]

while the term black hole may be questioned ... this is REAL... telescopes dont make this up. One jet in, one jet out... the jet in is not really visible since matter and light get darker the more they approach the center.

This image was taken in July 2010 with Hubble's Wide Field Camera 3
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/.a/6a00d8341bf7f753ef015433205698970c-pi


it never occurred to me to be one jet in and one out, suggesting a single direction of the flow. I always assumed it was ejecting in both directions from the middle. outwards

[singular_me]

Hey Glass, the concept of black holes being vortices isnt widespread, I reckon. But who says vortex says a jet inward and a jet outward. Haramein describes it in a video of his but I dont know which one anymore. Here is a guy saying the same:

SEPP HASSELBERG
I cannot help but thinking that what are called "jets" are in fact the black hole's incoming vortices. What appears as matter being expelled at near light velocity (those blobs of lighter color moving outward from the black hole) is really incoming matter lit up by powerful time-limited flashes of light escaping from the black hole's center. Matter is inward directed in the jet-cum-vortex and it encounters in its path flashes of light, giving the impression of matter exiting at near light velocity.... In my view, this is one of the important areas where physics has gone down the wrong path in its insistence that gravity "obviously" must be the force that holds everything together, and that thus it is the sole force responsible for the accumulation of any kind of concentration of matter in the universe.
http://blog.hasslberger.com/2007/12/star_formation_reverse_whirlpo.html


moreover, the black holes being vortices comes from the theory that the torus is at the center of every cell and celestial body, atomic and cosmic scales are alike. As above so below.




it never occurred to me to be one jet in and one out, suggesting a single direction of the flow. I always assumed it was ejecting in both directions from the middle. outwards

[Horn]

Right, in the electric universe model the "jets" would have Birkland current properties. What appears as a cone blasting outwards is a current being "lit up" then pinched inwards.

Newton-ian physics has no explanation as far as I know, or they have one that does not compute.

Why Steven Hawkings is encouraged to speak anymore is beyond me.

[singular_me]

the hasselberg article makes me think that I may have shot myself in the foot here though. Maybe I should just go along with the electric universe fully... or maybe are there 2 types of vortices, which I doubt. There cannot be any vortex without an inward and outward motions.

https://prof77.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/vortex_in_vortex_out.gif


from the hasselberg page
April 2008: Powerful Black Hole Jet Explained
A recent article on Space.com which references a video of what are called powerful jets, but which seem more like a giant vortex entering the black hole at the poles. The sequence shows huge blobs or clouds of luminosity moving outwards. These are apparently what gives the name "jets" to the phenomenon. But given the astronomical distances and the near light speed with which these phenomena propagate indicates that these outward-moving clouds are not particles but pulses of light moving outwards along the vortex that brings in matter. The pulses of light illuminate sequentially ever more distant parts of the particles contained in the vortex. The fast movement of luminosity outward is misinterpreted as matter moving outward at close to light speed.

[expat4ever]

If this electric universe is correct then forget black holes. I'm liking what I see so far and he certainly seems to make a goo argument with his models and magnetics.

[singular_me]

there must be something that I didnt get OR didnt read in the electric universe theory... but at the beginning of the thread, I mention that black holes should be renamed.

[expat4ever]

Think of the same model you just posted above but sort of 2 bowls with the bottoms towards each other. The magnetics cause particles to shoot out of it at an incredible rate. I;ll look at the video and point out where exactly it is for quick referrence

At about the 3 min 40 second mark in the video I posted he shows the 2 magnetic bowls. Either in the 1st video or later in the 2nd video he shows examples in nebula and actual nasa photos. I'm not saying he's right or wrong but his info is very interesting.

[Horn]

My estimation is the interactions between two fields could be torrid in nature.

Though any particles seen on the "jets" are more or less a residual attracction to and climbing.

Any ejection forces would take place within the perpendicular of galaxy itself.

[expat4ever]

at the 28:30 mark super novas are explained.

[Horn]

The pinch, is possibly due to that same "jet" chord exceeding its natural limits.

Or trying to get somewhere faster than it is able to.

Its the law :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqQiaHwzD3Q

[Neuro]

there must be something that I didnt get OR didnt to read in the electric universe theory... but at the beginning of the thread, I mention that black holes should be renamed.
Black holes exists as a theory, as to how galaxies are kept together. Electric universe theory negates that function, renaming something that doesn't exist doesn't really make a difference. Pick and choose which one you like. One negates the other. Unless an electromagnetic field can exhert a gravity force surpassing the speed of light ( which would be an electromagnetic field acting like a black hole), a contradiction in terms, as light is an electromagnetic field. It would be like saying the speed of light exceeded the light speed.

[Horn]

And not a theory to explain "jets"... well yet before anymore manmade curves.

To even suggest those forces that keep galaxies in check while allowing us to jump off the face of the planet is my idea of poppy-cock.

[singular_me]

since many of the current mainstream theories are kinda falling apart in slow motion, so I'd rather look into new trends espousing the ideas of physicist Walter Russell whose cosmogeny is entirely based on electromagnetism/electricity and was completely ignored by the academia more than 70 years ago. If emotions and thoughts are electric in nature, so is the Universe. In my view there is a theory of everything, one that applies Man and the Cosmos alike. It is very likely that the electric universe theory will be improved as times goes so I will not take it as a blind faith just yet. My main question with the prime field videos is that some of the experiments are made in a vacuum chamber and I really dont think the universe is a vacuum.

I just need to wrap my mind around a few things that seemingly escaped me. I was just trying to make sense of the torus, which also seem to be an outdated term now. The electric universe doesnt completely negate black holes so to speak, the observation of the phenomenon leads to another explanation having the same visual effects. another name for black holes is necessary.

This is an ELECTRIC universe of motion, not a Newtonian gravitational universe. We are all electric creatures floating in the electric sea of this electric universe. Every electric thing in the entire universe breathes electrically into itself from the rest of the electric universe which is outside of itself. It also breathes out of itself into -- Walter Russell


Black holes exists as a theory, as to how galaxies are kept together. Electric universe theory negates that function, renaming something that doesn't exist doesn't really make a difference. Pick and choose which one you like. One negates the other. Unless an electromagnetic field can exhert a gravity force surpassing the speed of light ( which would be an electromagnetic field acting like a black hole), a contradiction in terms, as light is an electromagnetic field. It would be like saying the speed of light exceeded the light speed.

[StreetsOfGold]

Our Universe May Have Emerged from a Black Hole


2 Timothy 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Everything originated from God's words, he SPOKE and it was made

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Genesis 1:3 And God said
Genesis 1:6 And God said
Genesis 1:9 And God said
Genesis 1:11 And God said
Genesis 1:14 And God said
Genesis 1:20 And God said
Genesis 1:24 And God said
Genesis 1:16 And God said
Genesis 1:29 And God said

[Horn]

Our Universe May Have Emerged from a Black Hole


2 Timothy 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Everything originated from God's words, he SPOKE and it was made

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Genesis 1:3 And God said
Genesis 1:6 And God said
Genesis 1:9 And God said
Genesis 1:11 And God said
Genesis 1:14 And God said
Genesis 1:20 And God said
Genesis 1:24 And God said
Genesis 1:16 And God said
Genesis 1:29 And God said

And the mainstream science grinds to a halt, and we inturn remain ungrateful of any of our accomplishments.

[singular_me]

right, the universe/matter was "spoken" into existence... unfortunately frequencies wouldnt exist without electricity/electromagnetism. ;D



Our Universe May Have Emerged from a Black Hole


2 Timothy 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Everything originated from God's words, he SPOKE and it was made

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Genesis 1:3 And God said
Genesis 1:6 And God said
Genesis 1:9 And God said
Genesis 1:11 And God said
Genesis 1:14 And God said
Genesis 1:20 And God said
Genesis 1:24 And God said
Genesis 1:16 And God said
Genesis 1:29 And God said

[Horn]

Its funny you said electrical pathway! The structures of a brain cell and

If u think about it to hard you could shortout a synapse or two.

No this is not the way.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4SqDx1vi4c

http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7356&stc=1

[expat4ever]

In my view there is a theory of everything, one that applies Man and the Cosmos alike.
Which is exactly what I figured out last week. Unfortunately someone already figured it out and had a video on it. I was working on a book and then saw that :(.. Oh well, At least I somewhat understand the big picture now. As above so below. We were made in his likeness and image. Expalins a lot.

The heart of the biggest producer of energy in the body. To pray with words is useless, it has to come from the heart. Love, compassion, healing, all from the heart.

[Glass]

Astronomers find ancient black hole the size of 12 billion suns

Washington: Some 12.8 billion light years away, astronomers have spotted an object of almost impossible brightness - the most luminous object ever seen in such ancient space. It's from just 900 million years after the big bang, and the old quasar - a shining object produced by a massive black hole - is 420 trillion times more luminous than our sun.
That brightness and size is surprising in a black hole from so close to the dawn of time. In a new study published on Wednesday in Nature, researchers describe a cosmic light that defies convention. It was even detectable with a relatively small telescope, though researchers in China did have to ask for help from astronomers in Chile and the United States to get a higher-resolution look.

The discovery challenges currently held theories that black holes and their host galaxies grew in relative lockstep over the eons.
Found within the distant celestial bodies called quasars, black holes are regions of space so dense with matter that not even light can travel fast enough to escape their gravitational pits. Black holes are detected by effects they have on nearby galaxies, stars and dust.

The newly found black hole contains the equivalent of about 12 billion suns, more than twice the mass of previously found black holes of similar age, said researcher Bram Venemans with the Max Planck Institute for Astronomy in Germany.

By comparison, the black hole lurking at the center of the Milky Way galaxy has about 4 million to 5 million times the mass of the sun.
"How could we have this massive black hole when the universe was so young? We don't currently have a satisfactory theory to explain it," said lead author Xue-Bing Wu, of Peking University and the Kavli Institute of Astronomy and Astrophysics.

For the black hole to grow to such a staggering size in less than a billion years, the astronomers posit, it must have been pulling in interstellar mass from its surroundings at the maximum rate the whole time. Even so, the radiation of the quasar formed by the black hole should have started to limit that mass accumulation before such a size was reached.

More at link (http://www.theage.com.au/technology/sci-tech/astronomy/astronomers-find-ancient-black-hole-the-size-of-12-billion-suns-20150225-13p379.html)

[expat4ever]

I really wish we would put about 10 more gubbles and Chandras out there. When we build these things we need to build em 10 at a time. Much cheaper to spread the R and D costs around.

[singular_me]

yes, his likeness and image... man is a micro version of the cosmos.

do you recall the title of the vid, just in case I didnt see it yet?


Which is exactly what I figured out last week. Unfortunately someone already figured it out and had a video on it. I was working on a book and then saw that :(.. Oh well, At least I somewhat understand the big picture now. As above so below. We were made in his likeness and image. Expalins a lot.

The heart of the biggest producer of energy in the body. To pray with words is useless, it has to come from the heart. Love, compassion, healing, all from the heart.

[expat4ever]

Amazingly the vid was taken down less than 24 hrs after I watched it. It was uploaded in 2013 and was over 3 hrs long. Hard to imagine why someone would just happen to take it down when I watched it LOL. I am looking for another version still. Also trying to contact the person whose theory was in the video.

[singular_me]

makes sense if the big bang never happened in the first place



By comparison, the black hole lurking at the center of the Milky Way galaxy has about 4 million to 5 million times the mass of the sun.
"How could we have this massive black hole when the universe was so young? We don't currently have a satisfactory theory to explain it," said lead author Xue-Bing Wu, of Peking University and the Kavli Institute of Astronomy and Astrophysics.

For the black hole to grow to such a staggering size in less than a billion years, the astronomers posit, it must have been pulling in interstellar mass from its surroundings at the maximum rate the whole time. Even so, the radiation of the quasar formed by the black hole should have started to limit that mass accumulation before such a size was reached.

[Horn]

Yes, Daddy it was the biggest, youngest, darkest, brightest, black ho-ho ever.

[expat4ever]

Have also heard that the big bang is not an explosion like it seems to be portrayed all the time. More of an expansion type event. Sort of makes sense I guess. In an explosion things expand but after the explosion things would then contract as they cool. 14 + billion years later and we are still expanding. That would have been one hell of a firecracker.

[Glass]

Maybe it isn't expanding at all:


Universe is Not Expanding After All, Controversial Study Suggests
According to a team of astrophysicists led by Eric Lerner from Lawrenceville Plasma Physics, the Universe is not expanding at all.

n their study, the scientists tested one of the striking predictions of the Big Bang theory (http://science.nasa.gov/astrophysics/focus-areas/what-powered-the-big-bang/) – that ordinary geometry does not work at great distances. In the space around us, on Earth, in the Solar System and our Milky Way Galaxy, as similar objects get farther away, they look fainter and smaller. Their surface brightness, that is the brightness per unit area, remains constant.

In contrast, the Big Bang theory tells us that in an expanding Universe objects actually should appear fainter but bigger. Thus in this theory, the surface brightness decreases with the distance. In addition, the light is stretched as the Universe expanded, further dimming the light.

So in an expanding Universe the most distant galaxies should have hundreds of times dimmer surface brightness than similar nearby galaxies, making them actually undetectable with present-day telescopes.

But that is not what observations show, as demonstrated by this new study published in the International Journal of Modern Physics D (http://dx.doi.org/10.1142/S0218271814500588).
The scientists carefully compared the size and brightness of about a thousand nearby and extremely distant galaxies. They chose the most luminous spiral galaxies for comparisons, matching the average luminosity of the near and far samples.

Contrary to the prediction of the Big Bang theory, they found that the surface brightnesses of the near and far galaxies are identical.
These results are consistent with what would be expected from ordinary geometry if the Universe was not expanding, and are in contradiction with the drastic dimming of surface brightness predicted by the expanding Universe hypothesis.

“Of course, you can hypothesize that galaxies were much smaller, and thus had hundreds of times greater intrinsic surface brightness in the past, and that, just by coincidence, the Big Bang dimming exactly cancels that greater brightness at all distances to produce the illusion of a constant brightness, but that would be a very big coincidence,” Mr Lerner said.

That was not the only startling result of their research. In order to apply the surface brightness test, first proposed in 1930 by physicist Richard C. Tolman (http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/598673/Richard-C-Tolman), the team had to determine the actual luminosity of the galaxies, so as to match near and far galaxies.
To do that, the astrophysicists had to link the distance to the galaxies with their redshift. They hypothesized that the distance is proportional to the redshift at all distances, as is well verified to be the case in the nearby Universe.

They checked this relation between redshift and distance with the data on supernova brightness that has been used to measure the hypothesized accelerated expansion of the Universe.

“It is amazing that the predictions of this simple formula are as good as the predictions of the expanding Universe theory, which include complex corrections for hypothetical dark matter and dark energy,” said study co-author Dr Renato Falomo of the Osservatorio Astronomico di Padova, Italy

More at link Sci News (http://www.sci-news.com/astronomy/science-universe-not-expanding-01940.html)

[Neuro]

Maybe it isn't expanding at all:



More at link Sci News (http://www.sci-news.com/astronomy/science-universe-not-expanding-01940.html)
Another nail in the coffin of Big Bang theory... And also in Redshift theory. If universe isn't expanding redshift must be explained by another factor than an object drifting away from us faster when further away... Makes perfect sense if an objects inherent gravity redshifts the light emitted from it. The more distant an astronomical object the larger it has to be to be visible/detectable. The larger the mass, the greater the gravity=more redshifted. In other words objects distant to us doesn't have to drift away from us at ridiculous speeds, in fact their research would indicate they don't most likely...
No drifting= Static Universe= No Big Bang

[expat4ever]

In my next life I want to come back as an astrophysisist ot astronomer. I cant even imagine how our universe is going to change in the next 20-100 years. The good news is that the pace of discovery and understanding is quickening. We have discovered more in the last 20 years than in the last 500 and this rate of discovery is going to continue to increase. At some point we will be making discoveries in 5 days, that which used to take 500 years.
I think the internet is to blame for this too. At the click of a button we can go listen to someone like Randal Carlson and get years of his research condensed into a 2 hr video. Then in turn people can start out with that base of knowledge and expand from there.

[Dogman]

In my next life I want to come back as an astrophysisist ot astronomer. I cant even imagine how our universe is going to change in the next 20-100 years. The good news is that the pace of discovery and understanding is quickening. We have discovered more in the last 20 years than in the last 500 and this rate of discovery is going to continue to increase. At some point we will be making discoveries in 5 days, that which used to take 500 years.
I think the internet is to blame for this too. At the click of a button we can go listen to someone like Randal Carlson and get years of his research condensed into a 2 hr video. Then in turn people can start out with that base of knowledge and expand from there.

Yep,

Seeing that most of our great grand parents where using horses and buggy's to get around, as another way to see how quickly things have changed for those of us that are in our 50's and for dam sure in their 60's now.

[Neuro]

In my next life I want to come back as an astrophysisist ot astronomer.

Why wait? First of all you are unlikely to remember your wish from this life. Second there is no guarantee you'll be born with the brains for it. If you really want to do this, do it now!

[Glass]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7ojSW5pODk

Anyone read into that guy who was posted here saying the earth is concave not convex and we live on the inside and the universe is contained in side. In some kind of ball, glass or something.

I just keep thinking of the Orions Belt in MiB.

Then I keep thinking of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFTgkibl7DU#t=30

I've queued it to the right point but no harm in watching all of it if you want. Somethings are small, others are far far away. Sorry it doesn't queue. Go to 30 seconds.

[singular_me]

it is my understanding that karmic laws dictate souls to reincarnate in order to achieve "infinite awareness" , attain what is called the christ or buddha consciousness. so the next life clearly depends on the current one. :)

one thing is certain: people in quest for infinite awareness are old souls who have already been through the "whole nine yards"... how funny... the number 9 shows up again.



In my next life I want to come back as an
astrophysisist ot astronomer. I cant even imagine how our universe is going to change in the next 20-100 years. The good news is that the pace of discovery and understanding is quickening. We have discovered more in the last 20 years than in the last 500 and this rate of discovery is going to continue to increase. At some point we will be making discoveries in 5 days, that which used to take 500 years.
I think the internet is to blame for this too. At the click of a button we can go listen to someone like Randal Carlson and get years of his research condensed into a 2 hr video. Then in turn people can start out with that base of knowledge and expand from there.

[mick silver]

Scientists discover black hole so big it contradicts growth theory
http://news.yahoo.com/scientists-discover-black-hole-big-contradicts-growth-theory-182735953.html