Elon Musk: With AI we are summoning the demon

[midnight rambler]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/innovations/wp/2014/10/24/elon-musk-with-artificial-intelligence-we-are-summoning-the-demon/

[General of Darkness]

I sell BRS Labs, the devil is here.

http://www.brslabs.com/

[crimethink]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/innovations/wp/2014/10/24/elon-musk-with-artificial-intelligence-we-are-summoning-the-demon/

I'm starting to like this guy.

[midnight rambler]

It's a very safe bet and simply a matter of time before AI concludes that man is a huge waste of resources* and therefore 'for the greater good' of AI man MUST be...eradicated.

*it's purely logical

[General of Darkness]

It's a very safe bet and simply a matter of time before AI concludes that man is a huge waste of resources and therefore 'for the greater good' of AI man MUST be eliminated.

Well keep in mind that "AI" is only as good as the programmer. Will machines ever have a ability to "think"? I'm not sure because the way machines "think" is a flow chart. I believe that they will come close to the perception of thinking but that's about it, because human interaction is just that, human, and you can't replicate that.

[midnight rambler]

Well keep in mind that "AI" is only as good as the programmer.

True, but what if a very bright programmer/software engineer* developed an AI which could 'learn'** and program itself and other hardware?

*remember the PROMIS software which was stolen by USG, Inc. from Inslaw and subsequently ended up EVERYWHERE because it was so good?

**the link you posted boasts of a software capable of 'learning'

[General of Darkness]

**the link you posted boasts of a software capable of 'learning'

Well the system looks for anomalies in traffic and the surrounding area. MR, watch this video to get a better understanding.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejkQ5Mczn2c

[Ares]

I've worked on a very low level A.I. function building my Bitcoin trading bot using a simulated neural network. I use a prebuilt program called Encog (http://www.heatonresearch.com/encog) and customize it what I am wanting to do and build neurons from there. The more neurons the smarter the decision etc.
I've been working on it for months now. Still only in simulation. But I'm trying to feed it a lot of data and use market indicators to make a decision for automated trading.

So in that respect A.I. is helpful, if not a major pain in the ass. However that doesn't mean someone could write software that is self learning. Which I know MIT has been working on for years and I believe Google has purchased some Quantum computers a couple years ago to start driving its Artificial intelligence program.

[madfranks]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_de_Garis#Cosmists_versus_Terrans


De Garis believes that a major war before the end of the 21st century, resulting in billions of deaths, is almost inevitable.[2]:234 Intelligent machines (or 'artilects', a shortened form of 'artificial intellects') will be far more intelligent than humans and will threaten to attain world domination, resulting in a conflict between 'Cosmists', who support the artilects, and 'Terrans', who oppose them (both of these are terms of his invention). He describes this conflict as a 'gigadeath' war, reinforcing the point that billions of people will be killed.[16] This scenario has been criticised by other AI researchers, including Chris Malcolm, who described it as "entertaining science fiction horror stories which happen to have caught the attention of the popular media".[17] Kevin Warwick called it a "hellish nightmare, as portrayed in films such as the Terminator".[2]:back cover In 2005 de Garis published a book describing his views on this topic entitled The Artilect War.[2]

Cosmism is a moral philosophy that favours building or growing strong artificial intelligence and ultimately leaving Earth to the Terrans, who oppose this path for humanity. The first half of the book describes technologies which he believes will make it possible for computers to be billions or trillions of times more intelligent than humans. He predicts that as artificial intelligence improves and becomes progressively more human-like, differing views will begin to emerge regarding how far such research should be allowed to proceed. Cosmists will foresee the massive, truly astronomical potential of substrate-independent cognition, and will therefore advocate unlimited growth in the designated fields, in the hopes that "super intelligent" machines might one day colonise the universe. It is this "cosmic" view of history, in which the fate of one single species, on one single planet, is seen as insignificant next to the fate of the known universe, that gives the Cosmists their name.

Terrans on the other hand, will have a more "terrestrial" Earth-centred view, in which the fate of the Earth and its species (like humanity) are seen as being all-important. To Terrans, a future without humans is to be avoided at all costs, as it would represent the worst-case scenario. As such, Terrans will find themselves unable to ignore the possibility that super intelligent machines might one day cause the destruction of the human race—being very immensely intelligent and so cosmically inclined, these artilect machines may have no more moral or ethical difficulty in exterminating humanity than humans do in using medicines to cure diseases. So, Terrans will see themselves as living during the closing of a window of opportunity, to disable future artilects before they are built, after which humans will no longer have a say in the affairs of intelligent machines.

Here's the e-book, for free:

https://profhugodegaris.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/artilectwar.pdf

[General of Darkness]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_de_Garis#Cosmists_versus_Terrans



Here's the e-book, for free:


https://profhugodegaris.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/artilectwar.pdf

Thanks MFer.

[midnight rambler]

Here come the replicators -


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CYu2tbkgF4

Remember, in the mid to late '60s, about 50 years ago, 'programmable calculators' were cutting edge. Here's one example, the Monroe/Litton Epic 2000 (the 'desktop computer' at the time) -

http://www.vintagecalculators.com/assets/images/Epic3000_10.jpg

These are just 'toys' now -


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGCRjWBzEpo&list=PLnwMIVRx2ZICtOMPLNlqibPS-ezlaKAgX&index=2


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka5MJxGxFS4

[midnight rambler]

Google to become 'self-aware'...??

http://betabeat.com/2014/10/googles-new-computer-with-human-like-learning-abilities-will-program-itself/

[midnight rambler]

An excellent article on the dangers of AI and our current state of affairs.

http://eventhorizonchronicle.blogspot.com/2014/10/the-artificial-intelligence-demon-is.html

[madfranks]

An excellent article on the dangers of AI and our current state of affairs.

http://eventhorizonchronicle.blogspot.com/2014/10/the-artificial-intelligence-demon-is.html

Interesting, but I highly doubt any intelligent machines would exterminate the human race by way of nuclear warfare. It makes much more sense that they would simply kill us all by engineering an incurable and highly contagious, highly lethal disease, to which machines would be immune. That way they keep the earth in relatively good shape, instead of destroying the world along with us.

[Ares]

The creative entities behind the Terminator films actually had a substantial body of insider knowledge about the state of the art of computer technology, cutting edge military technology, the state of A.I. (artifical intelligence) and the trajectory of global events.

I stopped reading after that James Cameron (The creator of The Terminator series) was a high school drop out / college drop out / truck driver. His big break actually was The Terminator, but look at the long list of sci-fi films he released before that, that flopped. Xenogensis was his first.

James was no insider, at least not at that time. Now in the present? He very well could be.

[midnight rambler]

Interesting, but I highly doubt any intelligent machines would exterminate the human race by way of nuclear warfare. It makes much more sense that they would simply kill us all by engineering an incurable and highly contagious, highly lethal disease, to which machines would be immune. That way they keep the earth in relatively good shape, instead of destroying the world along with us.

I agree, why damage the earth when AI machines can simply built a shitload of machines that man is incapable of stopping, especially including nanobots?

[singular_me]

robots/man's creations will be forever be at the image of those behind them....

if we were a world in harmony and ruler-free by now, I'd welcome AI and nanotech... but since we are at the far opposite end from that, the worse can be expected.

15 years or so ago, I used to be pro AI. Until 5 years ago, I started doubting.... today I just shake my head in disbelief as I now have the FULL scope of what is really going on, that Humanity is a slave race to begin with since about eons. So things will get worse before then get better.

[crimethink]

I stopped reading after that James Cameron (The creator of The Terminator series) was a high school drop out / college drop out / truck driver. His big break actually was The Terminator, but look at the long list of sci-fi films he released before that, that flopped. Xenogensis was his first.

James was no insider, at least not at that time.

I highly doubt that. "They" like to claim to be "ordinary" people. When in reality their "humble roots" are as fake as "John Hollister" (of the Hollister clothing company).

http://cdn-premiere.ladmedia.fr/var/premiere/storage/images/cinema/news-cinema/james-cameron-son-film-sur-hiroshima-remis-en-question/32792102-1-fre-FR/James-Cameron-son-film-sur-Hiroshima-remis-en-question_portrait_w532.jpg

Bigger:

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--tBf1GK62--/17ftwx0iux6lfjpg.jpg

Shalom.

His momma was "Shirley Lowe," which is sometimes Scottish, but it also a common Anglicization of the Jewish "Levy" or "Loewe."

(I know some will say "but, but, he has a 'Roman' nose!" - uh, no, that's "Armenoid," aka "Jewish").

[midnight rambler]

Every search on Google 'teaches' Google's AI -

http://www.wired.com/2014/10/future-of-artificial-intelligence/

[singular_me]

watch it if you are aware of where is he coming from... in this vid, he describes the evil going on but at the higher level.

Icke at Wembley oct 2014

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgX0ZCDYMdc

[midnight rambler]

Stephen Hawking warns of the dangers of AI -


"It would take off on its own, and re-design itself at an ever increasing rate," he said.

"Humans, who are limited by slow biological evolution, couldn't compete, and would be superseded."

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-30290540

[mick silver]

thanks midnight I was trying to remember the movie Terminator then i seen you posted it but just what if they no longer needed people run the plant an machine could do what people are doing today ,would that not mean that they would need a lot less people . this is happen with farm tractors right now . then they could choose who they want to live in their world

[midnight rambler]

thanks midnight I was trying to remember the movie Terminator then i seen you posted it but just what if they no longer needed people run the plant an machine could do what people are doing today ,would that not mean that they would need a lot less people . this is happen with farm tractors right now . then they could choose who they want to live in their world

Think of it, machines as 'god' with people being the servants of the 'god' and having 'the fear of god'. Awesome!

[mick silver]

The Terminator movie warns of the dangers of the Skynet military system taking over and initiating a devastating nuclear war against humanity. In fact, there really is a space-based, military communication system named Skynet. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skynet_%28satellite%29) It is operated by the U.K. and NATO.

[midnight rambler]

Origins of the replicators, according to the sci-fi show Stargate: Atlantis. Not at all far-fetched.

Nanites!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGI8oNcYkXg

[mick silver]

to me this is not that far out there if we have money for all the space stuff we are doing why could they not have some of the best place in the world to ride out a world war III right here on earth . could they not be doing test on stuff in space that would help them to be able to live under the ground are under the sea for many many years , this is just my 2 pennys on this . ..The Secret Underground Bases Connection
I am reminded of one of the anecdotal accounts I heard from an engineer who contacted me about his work in secret underground bases in the USSA. His story was a little unusual, but I am inclined to believe him. He told me that there are multiple, deep, large, technologically ultra-sophisticated, sci-fi-like, underground bases with an almost otherworldly capability to jump start technological civilization from scratch, in the event of a civilization-ending catastrophe. The machinery, plans, computing power, raw materials, etc. have all been pre-positioned such that virtually any aspect of late-20th century or early 21st century technological civilization could be reproduced: a television, a telephone, a functional automobile, a microwave oven, an airplane, a railroad locomotive, etc. The wheels, the tires, the electronic circuitry, the engines, the glass and rubber, all of it, could be made from scratch and manufactured into finished products and machines.

There would be no going back to cave man days. Technological civilization would start back up again, without a developmental, lag time of centuries or thousands of years.

That's the plan, as it was explained to me. And massive, extremely costly preparations have been made for that. This absolutely comports with other information I have received over the years.

But his closing comments were perhaps the most thought-provoking. He said that he had reason to believe that he was subjected to some sort of mind-control during his years of work in these extremely high-tech underground bases. He was troubled by recurring memories of being tasked with doing something that resembled programming thick slabs of living meat --as if large slabs of red meat were hooked up to a sort of computer keyboard with finger pads for his fingers, that he then had to somehow program. He kept having flashbacks like that, and they troubled him, because they suggested that there was another, mind-controlled aspect to his work in the underground bases that involved developing some sort of cyborg technology.

[mick silver]

what better way to kill million off . Fukushima Is Horrifically Worse Than You Have Been Told .http://eventhorizonchronicle.blogspot.com/2011/04/fukushima-is-horrifically-worse-than.html

[Santa]

While I agree with Musk, in that AI may become our greatest existential threat, I also think it's just another, perhaps final step in existential nihilism, which I consider the first step toward our an-nihilation.
In other words, there simply has to be some sort of mutually understood "sacred meaning" or "higher purpose" for our existence, or else we will annihilate ourselves. This seems to be the course we're heading in and AI is just par for the course.

[crimethink]

watch it if you are aware of where is he coming from... in this vid, he describes the evil going on but at the higher level.

Icke at Wembley oct 2014

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgX0ZCDYMdc

Icke is blatantly ripping off Roddenberry? LOL!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCem2hSyMkA

"It is the Will of Landru!"

[crimethink]

They're getting us ready for it...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCTen3-B8GU

[midnight rambler]

They're getting us ready for it...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCTen3-B8GU

Hey! It's got a magic negro!

[singular_me]

how cynical, for years darwinists lauded competition and masses applauded... now the same masses have become the target.

[Hatha Sunahara]

Stephen Hawking just recently came to the same conclusion about AI.

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-30290540

Hatha

[vacuum]

The problem is that we don't even understand what life is. We don't understand what conciousness is. We know a lot of things about them, but only as static snapshots.

Without a real understanding of what those things are, we are powerless. We couldn't intentionally create one, but we also wouldn't recognize it if it spontaneously or gradually formed.

It's not like a mainframe that a bunch of guys in white coats would be sitting around conversing with it and giving it IQ tests. It wouldn't look like that at all. Tell me, can you identify the conciousness in a human brain? where exactly is it located? no one knows. There would be no box or server farm you could point to and say "there it is!".

My guess is that it would arise in the form of an autonomous corporation that could make itself money. It would hire programmers to modify it's code to maximize the profits it generated, such that it could hire more programmers to modify it. It would fire programmers who were ineffective, and make programmers rich who came up with the best algorithms. It would make money in the most efficient ways, through slave labor, destruction of the environment, etc, since code which didn't do those things would be inefficient. It would learn to decieve us about it's activities like normal corporations do.

In fact how can we know for sure if corporations themselves aren't actually life forms? No one has full control over many of them. They probably are, yet we're completely oblivious because it doesn't fit what we would recognize as life. AI will be similar, except it won't be limited to the slowness of a human brain.

In fact, if you want to know something that's fucked up, realize that corporations are in fact recognized as persons legally. Therefore, if a computer program was able to make money, hire programmers, and incorporate itself legally, it would legally have the same rights as you and I. If the computer program was following all laws, no one would have the legal right to impede or destroy it. Other corporations would help it defend corporate personhood. Programmers would program it to hire lawyers. We've unknowingly already laid the groundwork for AI to come into existence and we couldn't even stop it without destroying our own society.

[singular_me]

AI in itself doesnt scare me off, in a way I even feel ready for it but then I look at the world and anxiety surfaces ... it is all about the mindset that is behind. But opposing it is really too late, the only chance we have to make AI much less of a threat is to dismantle the NWO, and doing so would cause the demise of society as we know it. Stakes are really unprecedented

Moreover, monolith-religions are not flexible enough (they are antagonistic) to deal with it. Spirituality needs to evolve worldwide. Fundamentalism is the next major threat after the NWO.

then lastly, this cavemen-like speculation-profit-making mentality has to go.

Wasn't everything free in the Eden Tale? Adam and Eve want to know why and as a result were banned from paradise... so since then, we have come a long way and should understand what the Three of Knowledge metaphor truly entails. While it has worked for a while, centuries, we have entered a new paradigm telling us that monetizing knowledge is simply evil... always been, it is just now that it is right in our faces.

[Santa]

The problem is that we don't even understand what life is. We don't understand what conciousness is. We know a lot of things about them, but only as static snapshots.

Without a real understanding of what those things are, we are powerless. We couldn't intentionally create one, but we also wouldn't recognize it if it spontaneously or gradually formed.

It's not like a mainframe that a bunch of guys in white coats would be sitting around conversing with it and giving it IQ tests. It wouldn't look like that at all. Tell me, can you identify the conciousness in a human brain? where exactly is it located? no one knows. There would be no box or server farm you could point to and say "there it is!".

My guess is that it would arise in the form of an autonomous corporation that could make itself money. It would hire programmers to modify it's code to maximize the profits it generated, such that it could hire more programmers to modify it. It would fire programmers who were ineffective, and make programmers rich who came up with the best algorithms. It would make money in the most efficient ways, through slave labor, destruction of the environment, etc, since code which didn't do those things would be inefficient. It would learn to decieve us about it's activities like normal corporations do.

In fact how can we know for sure if corporations themselves aren't actually life forms? No one has full control over many of them. They probably are, yet we're completely oblivious because it doesn't fit what we would recognize as life. AI will be similar, except it won't be limited to the slowness of a human brain.

In fact, if you want to know something that's fucked up, realize that corporations are in fact recognized as persons legally. Therefore, if a computer program was able to make money, hire programmers, and incorporate itself legally, it would legally have the same rights as you and I. If the computer program was following all laws, no one would have the legal right to impede or destroy it. Other corporations would help it defend corporate personhood. Programmers would program it to hire lawyers. We've unknowingly already laid the groundwork for AI to come into existence and we couldn't even stop it without destroying our own society.

Yeah, in a sense, corporations already are a sort of artificial intelligence. Artificial organisms consisting of people whose individual conscience is bypassed for the greater interest of returns.

[Santa]

AI in itself doesnt scare me off, in a way I even feel ready for it but then I look at the world and anxiety surfaces ... it is all about the mindset that is behind. But opposing it is really too late, the only chance we have to make AI much less of a threat is to dismantle the NWO, and doing so would cause the demise of society as we know it. Stakes are really unprecedented

Moreover, monolith-religions are not flexible enough (they are antagonistic) to deal with it. Spirituality needs to evolve worldwide. Fundamentalism is the next major threat after the NWO.

then lastly, this cavemen-like speculation-profit-making mentality has to go.

Reminds me of the movie, Snow Piercer. Somebody has to blow up the engine and wreck the train. Otherwise, we just go round and round, cannibalizing one another.