Taxed By The Mile? Oregon DOT Rolls Out New Tax Plan For Drivers... V

[Ponce]

We do have the best roads in America......all roads smooth and clean......but this is now the first steps to make my state into a state of hell :)
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Drivers pay 30-cents per gallon in gas taxes every time they stop to fill up. That adds up to hundreds of millions of dollars per year. But ODOT said that’s not enough to maintain the roads.

Two pilot programs were undertaken, each with electronic devices attached to cars to calculate how many miles a driver travels. A driver will then get a bill at the end of the month, and then a refund of the gas tax.

The fee — 1.5 cents a mile — will roll out July 1, 2015 through 5,000 volunteer participants. ODOT and the volunteers will see how it works, and then the Oregon legislature will decide when it will be expanded to the rest of the state’s drivers.

http://libertycrier.com/taxed-mile-oregon-dot-rolls-new-tax-plan-drivers/

[Ares]

So stop being a driver and just travel in your Automobile, not in your motor vehicle.

[madfranks]

Yeah, it starts at 1.5 cents a mile, but it won't be a decade before it becomes 3 cents, then 4.5 cents, then 10 cents a mile.

[midnight rambler]

So stop being a driver and just travel in your Automobile, not in your motor vehicle.

Or register your automobile in another state.

[Ponce]

Thats what others were doing in CA, getting their plates in Oregon.......I bought a sport car in Puerto Rico, this was in 1970, and drove in CA for 2 years with their plates........same year I saw my wife for the first time and in the same place, she was on vacation with her family.

When I moved to Oregon the price was of $30.00 for two years....I belive that they now cost $120.00....

V

[Ares]

Or register your automobile in another state.

They're cutting down on that. I tried doing that here, registering my automobile in South Carolina. Unless I have a residence or a place of business in the state. They wouldn't let me do it.

[midnight rambler]

They're cutting down on that. I tried doing that here, registering my automobile in South Carolina. Unless I have a residence or a place of business in the state. They wouldn't let me do it.

Get a Wyoming LLC, those are cheaper than Montana although Montana caters to out of state folks. Check out the high end motor homes on the highway - those are usually registered in Montana (no sales tax on new vehicles).

[Serpo]

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[Ares]

Get a Wyoming LLC, those are cheaper than Montana although Montana caters to out of state folks. Check out the high end motor homes on the highway - those are usually registered in Montana (no sales tax on new vehicles).

I've looked into doing something like that. But they usually require an annual report. What are they needing an annual report for? Financial stability, gains / losses etc?

[midnight rambler]

What are they needing an annual report for?

To see if the corporation 'made' any money so they can tax the privilege.

[Ares]

To see if the corporation 'made' any money so they can tax the privilege.

So create an LLC and show a net loss every year. :)

[midnight rambler]

So create an LLC and show a net loss every year. :)

A simple 'zero' will suffice.

[Glass]

What you do is get an LLC. Set it up as a trustee. Then setup a trust. Then get a business name.

The company (LLC) is trustee for the Trust XYZ ( LLC as trustee for XYZ) Trading as the "business name".

Registering a business is the cheapest component. Then everything in the Business name but when there is an "issue" close the business name get a new one. Rinse and repeat.

People do this with speeding fines and so on. When the car registration comes around again, change the registered party name and send it in. I do not know about fees for this part. To me it seems you would get hit with frees for transfering. But it might not be a transfer because the title stays with the LLC. It's whats on the Bill or Infringement that counts. That should be the Business name note the LLC.

Anyway the vehicle should always appear under the name of a business which is reasonably disposable based on cost.

You might not even need the trust. Just get the LLC and business name. The trust cost money to setup but nothing to maintain AFIK, at least here. But it can be useful. There are different types of trusts so need to look at what they can do for you and decide.

[pioneer]

Two pilot programs were undertaken, each with electronic devices attached to cars to calculate how many miles a driver travels. A driver will then get a bill at the end of the month, and then a refund of the gas tax.

The fee — 1.5 cents a mile — will roll out July 1, 2015 through 5,000 volunteer participants. ODOT and the volunteers will see how it works.

ponce, i don't see this ending very good. obviously the other 49 states plus DC will be watching this closely.

any idea how many vehicles are driven in your Oregon currently?

is the state going to provide these electronic devices for free? (doubt it.)

the bill comes to the owner monthly, but the taxes are only collected annually. so is the "refund" going to be a tax credit?

if a resident doesn't pay taxes because they are low income, will they ever see their "30c / gal refund" ?

i see this as collapsing under its own weight. the state can't refund regularly when its claiming there isn't enough funds from road taxes in the first place.

what am i missing?

anyone?

[crimethink]

As bad as being raped, uh, taxed by the mile would be, think of the mechanics of how it will work: you will be tracked everywhere you go - no privacy whatsoever. A mandatory GPS unit, at your exorbitant expense, required on every car, no matter the age. No more avoiding the implications of OnStar and other Big Brother Net apparatus by using older vehicles.

[crimethink]

is the state going to provide these electronic devices for free? (doubt it.)


It will be full retail price payable to the manufacturer (insider contract), with an "administrative fee" atop current DMV fees to the state. Watch.




the bill comes to the owner monthly, but the taxes are only collected annually. so is the "refund" going to be a tax credit?

if a resident doesn't pay taxes because they are low income, will they ever see their "30c / gal refund" ?

i see this as collapsing under its own weight. the state can't refund regularly when its claiming there isn't enough funds from road taxes in the first place.


The refunds will occur during the pilot program to get the suckers, uh, I mean citizens supportive. Then it will simply go away - you will pay the per-mile fee, and the per gallon taxes.

[Ponce]

I will be paying .53 cents per gallon (50 miles per gallons) and getting back .30 cents (gallon tax) so that my new tax will be of .23 cents more....

More money for the poleticians.

V