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Cebu_4_2
15th November 2014, 05:52 PM
I found this to be interesting, most big winners are broke or dead in 5 years:

Bus driver Peter Lavery: 'I won £10m on the lottery but my investment success was like winning again'

On 18th May 1996, Peter Lavery, a former bus driver from Belfast, won £10,248,  233 in the National Lottery. He has supposedly tripled his wealth since. How did he do it? http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03105/IMG_6655D_3105433b.jpg 'I spent half a million on cars in the first couple of years', Peter Lavery says. Among his collection are two Jaguars, a DeLorean and two four-wheel drives. Photo: Harry Nee

By Louise Carpenter

8:35AM GMT 15 Nov 2014
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'I’ve been lucky all my life,’ Peter Lavery, the former Belfast bus driver who won £10.2 million on May 18 1996, says. ‘I’ve lived in the heart of Belfast, escaped bombs, driven my bus on the Falls Road and seen the bus in front of me get hijacked. But it wasn’t me. That was luck. And that night I won the lottery, 33.5 million people played it. I’m the one who got it. Luck of the draw!’

Lavery, 52, is sitting in front of me, tweed cap on the table, his big rotund tummy swelling under a good knit sweater. He is very short and very round (18st, down from 22 in his bus-driving days), wears heavy dark-rimmed glasses over his small dark eyes, and has gappy teeth. He speaks in a thick working-class Belfast accent, and bangs the table and blows out his cheeks when he wants to make a point.

He would fit well as a character in The Wind in the Willows, driving around from one of his many successful business ventures to the next, peeping the horn of his car, of which there are many: a couple of four-wheel drives, a couple of Jags, a DeLorean. ‘I spent half a million on cars in the first couple of years,’ he says matter-of-factly. Back then, cars (which, 18 years on, don’t fuss him so much) and his mock-Tudor house in Belfast’s upmarket ‘Golden Triangle’, bought six weeks after his win, were his chief blowouts. (The house, 6,500sq ft, is too big for him now, he says.) There were also a few high-end holidays for family and friends. But then what? How does a man from a working-class area in east Belfast, already prone to heavy drinking and who was blathered down the pub when the news of the lottery win came in – ‘I could never drink five pints; it always had to be 15’ – and who left school without any qualifications, barely able to read because of dyslexia, cope with winning £10 million?

Lavery admits that at the beginning the trajectory did not look good for him. For half a year he was teetering on becoming a lottery-winner cliche. ‘I didn’t work for six months and I had worked all my life beforehand,’ he says. After his win he had gone to work for one last shift on the buses before handing in his notice. ‘I didn’t know what to do with myself. I was drinking five days a week. I was going to kill myself. There’s a happy medium. A doctor, who is a friend, said to me, “You’d better get busy.” So I went [to the opposite extreme], where I did too much work and not enough play. But if I put myself into something, I put myself into it. I either do it or I don’t. I work harder today than I did before 1996.’

Lavery made two crucial decisions in that first year: first, he was adamant the money would not change him. As it happens, he hadn’t intended for the world to find out. Instinctively, he would have preferred to keep it a secret. But his long-term girlfriend at the time – he split up from her five years ago, nothing to do with the pressure of the money, he says – let it slip. He sees now that he would have gone mad if he had kept it a secret. ‘I could have disappeared, jumped on a plane and never been seen again. But with a £40,000 car turning up when I’m driving the buses, of course people would have asked, “Where did you get the money?” ’

It was not that he didn’t want to share it. Some lottery winners he has met since at Camelot parties store it all in secret in the bank, saying nothing, buying only a pair of new curtains. ‘I mean, why did they spend the pound [on the ticket] in the first place?’ he says. ‘I’d rather have spent 50 or 60 hours a week driving buses.’

What he did find hard to cope with were the thousands and thousands of letters asking him for help. He still rejects all begging letters. ‘I always say to them, “I am not the answer to your need.” If I gave to you because you needed help with your children’s education, I’d get letters from everybody expecting the same,’ he says. ‘My conscience is clear. It’s the government’s job to feed and educate people. Not mine.’ But he has quietly given away a substantial amount over the years (he forbids me to reveal how much), spread among good causes via the Rita Charles Trust, a cross-community charity he set up, and family. From a large Roman Catholic family, he gave each of his five siblings more than £250,000 (he won’t say how much exactly) and with no children of his own – ‘It just worked out that way’ – he has left his fortune to ‘people I have known all my life’.

His mother, Rita, died when he was 16 and his father, Charles, 14 months before the win (‘I’d hand back the money today if I thought it would bring them back. I mean that hand on heart.’). It was his mother, who worked like a Trojan all her life to make sure her children didn’t go without, from whom he learnt the importance of charity; and, in fact, even before the win, Lavery was heavily involved as a volunteer in community projects. ‘No matter how little she had in her purse at the end of the week, she’d always give some to her saint at the church,’ he says. ‘When I donate, I do it as quietly and as privately as possible. I don’t need the world to know that I’m doing good.’

The second decision was that he was going to make the money work for his life, both in terms of growing it and filling him with purpose and opportunity. This, beyond anything else, is what encapsulates the consequences of his good fortune.

The lottery win has not only had obvious material benefits, but it has also allowed him to make something of himself. Obviously there are the cars; the houses (he has another in Donegal, and a handsome property portfolio); the cabinet full of Swarovski crystal jungle creatures, including a gorilla; the home gym and steam room; the multitude of garden ornaments of rabbits chewing carrots, and doe-eyed spaniels; the many, mostly unslept-in, beds in his spare rooms; the en suite bathrooms with their own Jacuzzis and built-in televisions; and the cruises (70 over the years). But as he says of the cars, ‘I’ve had my fun.’ He gives the impression that this sort of pleasure wears a bit thin in the end. The house, although modest for a multimillionaire, is simply too big for him. ‘Money can’t bring you happiness,’ Lavery says. ‘You have to be happy in yourself first. Money can open a lot of doors. Money can solve problems, like the fact that I haven’t had to drive a bus for the last 18 years. Money can give you reassurance, but it doesn’t bring happiness.’

After his win, Lavery discovered that he possessed an Alan Sugar-like business acumen. Today, he has 33 properties rented out across Northern Ireland (all looked after by two of his brothers), various housing sites in development, and the pending opening of his own whiskey distillery, backed by the Northern Ireland executive, in a wing of Belfast’s notorious Crumlin Road jail, which has attracted £35 million of investment. He will not confirm or deny that he has tripled his wealth, but will say that the lucrative whiskey venture ‘is like winning the lottery again’. Directly and indirectly Lavery estimates he employs between 70 and 80 people. He doesn’t have a PA. ‘It’s all in here,’ he says, tapping his temple.

Today, he lives with his girlfriend of three years, Vicky, a 44-year-old nurse (she is asleep post-shift when I arrive at the house) whom he has known ‘a very long time’ and who at some point will give up her job. ‘But she loves her independence.’ They live with their rescue bulldog, Miss Wrinkles, and two cats, and they walk four miles a day, although he admits he works too hard and that Vicky nags him to slow down, which, he says, will happen six or seven years down the line when they’ll move from their big house to Donegal.

Five years ago Lavery was diagnosed as a borderline type-2 diabetic. Saying that, he is never happier than when eating a £4.99 special curry and fried rice from the local Chinese. He would eat Chinese every day if Vicky let him (pre-Vicky, I can imagine he did), but now he can’t. He also likes a good steak, but he hasn’t had a drop of alcohol since the diagnosis, an irony given the distillery and also that he has built a proper Irish bar in the back room of his house where he still holds parties for old friends. And it really is a bar, with pumps and mirrors and rows of spirits.

His constant refrain is ‘Not bad for a bus driver on £18,000 a year, eh!’ (puff of the cheeks, bang of the table). Though if there is one area about which he is overly defensive – perhaps with good reason – it is any suggestion that the money might have changed his personality or shaped his relationships. He gets gimlet-eyed when I ask him if being a lottery winner makes forming new relationships difficult. And he is visibly irritated by the expectations we all have of lottery winners and by any assumption that the practicalities of his life are different from those of the rest of us. For instance, when I ask him where he buys his food these days (a silly question but we all like knowing this stuff) he tells me he gets a plane to London to go to Waitrose. After a pause, he barks, ‘Where do you think I f***ing go?’ The answer to this, by the way, is Tesco, ‘Marksies’, Sainsbury’s, Spar – yes, Spar! – and the local butcher for meat.

Once an old bus-driving chum saw him in a low-budget Belfast store and said, ‘I didn’t think you’d shop in somewhere like this!’ Lavery hates this kind of thing. And why should he care? ‘If I had to get up in the morning and think about what everybody is going to think about me, I’d be in a mental institution.’ In fact, he likes nothing more than returning from his many cruises (one booked for the end of this month after a stay in Miami, and there is a holiday in New York booked for February) and experiencing the simple joy of putting a slice of bread in the toaster. If he ever has to wear a suit for a meeting, he whips it off as soon as possible afterwards.

For such a private person he is quite happy to indulge my nosiness, letting me poke around and even look in his wardrobe, which reveals jumpers and 501 jeans, just the same as he always wore on the buses, he says, but more of them. He has a Rolex watch, he admits, but it is broken and he’s not going to get it fixed because he’s disinclined to wear it. He is particularly proud of the Jacuzzis. ‘We have a lot of fun,’ he cackles naughtily.

While there may not have been much Jacuzzi-inspired fun 20 years ago, he says, ‘I haven’t changed my lifestyle. I still do the same things. The person today is still the person I was in 1996. I don’t think winning money should change you. I don’t care what people think. Why would I use a gold mug for a cup of tea? I’m a normal person. I do normal things. Eleven years ago I fell off the roof of this house. Why was I on the roof? Because I was cleaning the gutters. Why would I pay for somebody to do that when I can do it myself?
‘You don’t have to be a lottery winner for people to dislike you,’ he says. ‘You could be anybody who has done well.’

crimethink
15th November 2014, 10:42 PM
In order to become rich, someone - lots of someones - have to lose, often big.

zap
15th November 2014, 10:45 PM
Love this part............... ‘My conscience is clear. It’s the government’s job to feed and educate people. Not mine.’

Hillbilly
16th November 2014, 12:29 AM
In order to become rich, someone - lots of someones - have to lose, often big. I've always believed that no one "earns" more than a million dollars with out fucking over lots of little people.

EE_
16th November 2014, 02:54 AM
Look how much these guys "earned".
If/when the market tanks, I wonder what the mutual and pension funds they manage will be left with?...I mean, I know what the Pimco fund managers will be left in a market crash, Billions!

The funny thing is, everyone thinks (mutual/pension funds) they're doing great when the stock market is rolling, but when it turns down, only the investers and pensioners get screwed. The top fund managers just say "oh well, at least we're still billionaires".

Note: El-Erian and Gross have both left Pimco this past year. I saw an anaylist on CNBC on Friday say he felt that maybe they weren't paid enough to keep them on. That mentality is beyond me. Both earned over 500 million a year in bonuses and compensation, both are billionaires...does money really still motivate guys in their bracket?

If/when the economy collapses, ever wonder what it will be like for these guys when everyone's pensions, annuities and retirement funds are broke and these guys are still walking around billionaires?

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Pimco Paid Billionaire Gross $290 Million Bonus in 2013
By Mary Childs Nov 14, 2014 5:33 PM ET 65 Comments Email Print

Nov. 14 (Bloomberg) -- Pimco paid its former CEO Bill Gross a bonus of about $290 million in 2013, a year in which his Total Return Fund trailed a majority of peers, according to documents provided to Bloomberg View by someone with knowledge of Pimco’s bonus policies. Bloomberg’s Bloomberg View Columnist Barry Ritholtz speaks on “Bloomberg Surveillance.” His opinions are his own. (Source: Bloomberg)

Pacific Investment Management Co. paid its former Chief Investment Officer Bill Gross a bonus of about $290 million in 2013, a year in which his Total Return Fund (PTTRX) trailed a majority of peers, according to documents provided to Bloomberg View by someone with knowledge of Pimco’s bonus policies.

Mohamed El-Erian, 56, the former chief executive officer who previously shared the title of CIO with Gross, received a 2013 bonus of about $230 million, according to figures first reported today by Bloomberg View columnist Barry Ritholtz.

By comparison, Laurence D. Fink, CEO of BlackRock Inc., the world’s biggest money manager, received $22.9 million in 2013 compensation, and Michael Diekmann, CEO of Pimco’s parent Allianz SE (ALV), was paid 7.2 million euros ($8.99 million), regulatory filings show.

Bloomberg View: The $290 Million Man

The figures provide a rare glimpse of how some executives were paid at Pimco, even as performance at the firm’s main fund stumbled and clients started to pull out. The bonus for Gross, 70, was rivaled only by a small group of billionaire money managers such as Apollo Global Management LLC’s Leon Black and Blackstone Group LP chief Steve Schwarzman.

“In the mutual fund world it’s no doubt on the very high side,” said Michael Rosen, chief investment officer at Angeles Investment Advisors LLC in Santa Monica, California, who oversees $47 billion for endowments and pensions. “This is a company with $2 trillion -- that’s an awful lot of money and that’s an awful lot of money in fees.”

Manager Compensation

Compensation for money managers is typically tied to the amounts they oversee and the returns they produce. Gross and El-Erian together were responsible for the firm’s almost $2 trillion in assets as co-CIOs in 2013. Gross’s main fund, Pimco Total Return, trailed 65 percent of peers in 2013, after beating 90 percent of peers in 2012, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

“While Pimco does not comment on compensation, the figures provided to Bloomberg are not correct,” said Daniel Tarman, a spokesman for Newport Beach, California-based Pimco, declining to specify the firm’s objections. “For more than three decades, Pimco’s managing directors have maintained a substantial interest in the firm, currently 30 percent of profits, and this provides an important means to attract and retain the best investment talent to serve our clients.”

Fixed Percentage

Gross’s bonus had been fixed at 20 percent of the profits Pimco got to keep under its agreement with Allianz, a number that was agreed upon by Pimco’s managing directors several years ago, according to two people familiar with the matter who asked not to be identified. His share was previously at about 26 percent, and was reduced as assets surged and the firm added more managing directors, said the people.

Gross, who now works for Janus Capital Group Inc. (JNS), and El-Erian didn’t respond to phone calls seeking comment. Steven Shapiro, a spokesman for Denver-based Janus with Communications Strategy Group, declined to comment.

“Allianz is fully aware of the profit sharing plan at Pimco,” said Petra Brandes, a spokeswoman for Munich-based Allianz. “This element of partnership has always been in place and has been a basis of success at Pimco. It was an integral part of the acquisition of Pimco by Allianz in 2000 and resulted in a reduction of the purchase price paid. The payments under this partnership structure are not comparable to common forms of variable compensation payments.”

Ivascyn, Cupps

Daniel Ivascyn, Pimco’s new group chief investment officer, appointed after Gross’s surprise departure on Sept. 26, made a bonus of about $70 million last year, the documents show. Ivascyn, 45, runs the $39.3 billion Pimco Income Fund (PIMIX), which beat 99 percent of peers last year, returning 4.8 percent, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

Wendy Cupps, the head of product management, received a bonus of about $50 million, the documents show. Douglas Hodge, 57, who was chief operating officer until he took over as CEO in January, received a bonus of about $45 million, and the firm’s President Jay Jacobs was given about $22 million.

The bonuses at Pimco rival compensation at top hedge funds and private equity funds, which are typically smaller but charge higher fees. Black, whose Apollo Global Management oversaw $161 billion at the end of last year, got about $369 million in distributions from his stock ownership of the company. Schwarzman, whose Blackstone Group managed $266 billion at the end of last year, received $374.5 million in pay and cash dividends.

Gross’s reward accounted for 20 percent of the firm’s total bonus pool, according to the documents. His Pimco Total Return more than doubled in size from 2008 to its peak of $293 billion in April 2013, when it was world’s biggest mutual fund.

Fund Stumbled

The fund then stumbled when the Federal Reserve hinted it would unwind stimulus measures, sparking investor redemptions. By October, Pimco Total Return had ceded the title of biggest mutual fund to an offering from Vanguard Group Inc. After 18 straight months of client redemptions, it’s been reduced to $170.9 billion in assets as of Oct. 31, according to Pimco.

Amid the redemptions, Gross, who co-founded the company in 1971, clashed with management over how to run the firm, leading to the resignation of El-Erian, people familiar with the matter have said.

El-Erian is now chief economic adviser at Allianz and a contributor to Bloomberg View.

Gross departed from Pimco after deputies including Ivascyn threatened to quit and management debated his ouster, according to people familiar with the matter. He now runs the $443 million Janus Global Unconstrained Bond Fund.

Investors pulled $51 billion in September and October from the Total Return fund, which is now run by CIOs Mark Kiesel, Scott Mather, and Mihir Worah.

‘Special Performance’

Pimco introduced a 225 million-euro award program to retain top talent. The plan applies to “all employees that are not participating in the Pimco profit pool,” including senior portfolio managers below the level of managing director, Allianz Chief Financial Officer Dieter Wemmer said on a conference call Nov. 7.

The “Special Performance Award” comes on top of bonus and salary policies already in place, and consists of a cash award to be granted in the fourth quarter and paid over the next 12 to 30 months, Allianz said in its quarterly report. The bonus is expected to cost an average of 33 million euros before taxes for each of the next five quarters and 10 million euros each for the remaining six quarters, the Munich-based insurer said.

Since Gross left, Pimco has hired back old members of the investment committee including Marc Seidner, who exited in the wake of El-Erian’s departure. Pimco hasn’t lost any portfolio managers since Gross, according to Wemmer.

Operating profit at Pimco declined 7.9 percent to 594 million euros in the third quarter from a year ago, Allianz said in a presentation of its earnings. It said variable personnel expenses, which are tied to profit, fell 8 percent. Overall, Pimco reduced expenses by 4 percent in the three months through September.

To contact the reporter on this story: Mary Childs in New York at mchilds5@bloomberg.net

To contact the editors responsible for this story: Christian Baumgaertel at cbaumgaertel@bloomberg.net Sree Vidya Bhaktavatsalam


Photographer: Scott Eells/Bloomberg
Bill Gross manages an unconstrained bond fund for Janus Capital. Until September 2014, he was chief investment... Read More

Photographer: Patrick T. Fallon/Bloomberg
Mohamed El-Erian, former Chief Executive Officer of Pacific Investment Management Co., is now chief economic adviser... Read More

Source: PIMCO via Bloomberg
Daniel Ivascyn, Chief Investment Officer of Pacific Investment Management Co., runs the $39.3 billion Pimco Income... Read More

Photographer: Peter Foley/Bloomberg
Douglas Hodge, 57, who was Chief Operating Officer until he took over as CEO in January, took a bonus of about $45 million.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-11-14/pimco-paid-billionaire-gross-290-million-bonus-in-2013.html

Twisted Titan
16th November 2014, 04:53 AM
When you reach level of those prostitutes Gross And Arian.

Another 50 million dollars means nothing.

There is nothing you couldnt do before.

There are only 2 things that motivate them

Power or Fear.

This is not power...they can do simple math...and the realize this shyt isnt going to end well and they dont want to be the captian on the SS titainic

They are exiting stage left just like Greengass and bernake

Just further proof to get your house in order.

gunDriller
16th November 2014, 06:12 AM
In order to become rich, someone - lots of someones - have to lose, often big.

i think of it as high-risk high-return investing.

i would enjoy seeing a stacker win.