In your personal view, does God exist [Archive]

aeondaze

17th November 2014, 12:37 AM

I don't think its 50/50.

There are plenty of forum members that don't subscribe to any of the Abrahamic traditions but seem sure there is an omnipotent entity.

I actually think it takes a lot of strength to discard the notion of god's, contrary to popular opinion. I also don't think most atheists are immoral or even amoral which is also counter to the prevailing thoughts around here.

Jewish atheism is not the same thing either, this stems from a completely different view of god where 'god' is not so much an all powerful entity as it is the will of the Jewish people themselves. I've written about this aspect of Jewish atheism before.

Contrary to popular opinion, only Jews think that they can be atheists, non-Jewish atheists are a threat to Jewish ideology and thus they treat them with a profound contempt that is worse than the mere ridicule reserved for Christians.

Just clearing the air preemptively before all the chest nuts get paraded out...

Glass

17th November 2014, 01:07 AM

I think we should have a poll as to determine the available choices of this poll.

vacuum

17th November 2014, 01:51 AM

I don't think the options quite cover everything. I won't claim the below description is the end of the discussion, but I think this perspective is one to consider:

Deity

The Gnostic God concept is more subtle than that of most religions. In its way, it unites and reconciles the recognitions of Monotheism and Polytheism, as well as of Theism, Deism and Pantheism.

http://gnosis.org/images/blakewe1.jpg

In the Gnostic view, there is a true, ultimate and transcendent God, who is beyond all created universes and who never created anything in the sense in which the word “create” is ordinarily understood. While this True God did not fashion or create anything, He (or, It) “emanated” or brought forth from within Himself the substance of all there is in all the worlds, visible and invisible. In a certain sense, it may therefore be true to say that all is God, for all consists of the substance of God. By the same token, it must also be recognized that many portions of the original divine essence have been projected so far from their source that they underwent unwholesome changes in the process. To worship the cosmos, or nature, or embodied creatures is thus tantamount to worshipping alienated and corrupt portions of the emanated divine essence.

The basic Gnostic myth has many variations, but all of these refer to Aeons, intermediate deific beings who exist between the ultimate, True God and ourselves. They, together with the True God, comprise the realm of Fullness (Pleroma) wherein the potency of divinity operates fully. The Fullness stands in contrast to our existential state, which in comparison may be called emptiness.

One of the aeonial beings who bears the name Sophia (“Wisdom”) is of great importance to the Gnostic world view. In the course of her journeyings, Sophia came to emanate from her own being a flawed consciousness, a being who became the creator of the material and psychic cosmos, all of which he created in the image of his own flaw. This being, unaware of his origins, imagined himself to be the ultimate and absolute God. Since he took the already existing divine essence and fashioned it into various forms, he is also called the Demiurgos or “half-maker” There is an authentic half, a true deific component within creation, but it is not recognized by the half-maker and by his cosmic minions, the Archons or “rulers”.

Neuro

17th November 2014, 02:08 AM

I am somewhere between a deist and a doubter of the existence of a god. I voted for deist here. In terms of strength of society I think people in general where better off prior to the dominance of monotheism.

EE_

17th November 2014, 03:02 AM

I also don't think most atheists are immoral or even amoral which is also counter to the prevailing thoughts around here.

I don't think most non-Jewish atheists are immoral either, but it's only because of Christian influence most were exposed to from an early age, when the US was a mostly a Christian society.

With with Christainity waning today and Jewish atheism filling the void, being pushed on society, new generations of atheists are becoming less moral then previous generations. It's easy to see with homosexuality now being promoted as normal and healthy.

I often use an analogy with non-Jewish atheists, "what keeps them from killing their neighbor to take what they have?" If they knew they would not be caught and put in prison, there would be no reason not to kill...would there?

Does anyone not see, it is Jewish atheists that run/control everything that is important to society.
It is Jewish atheists that also control and profit from everything evil in society.

It always amazes me that most Christains worship these white/Christian hating Jewish atheist and even place them above themselves and their country.

aeondaze

17th November 2014, 03:31 AM

I don't think most non-Jewish atheists are immoral either, it's only because of the Christian influence most were exposed to from an early age when the US was a mostly a Christian society.

With with Christainity waning today and Jewish atheism filling the void, being pushed on society, new generations of atheists are becoming less moral then previous generations. It's easy to see with homosexuality now being promoted as normal and healthy.

I often use an analogy with atheists, "what keeps them from killing their neighbor to take what they have?"
If they knew they would not be caught and put in prison, there would be no reason not to kill...would there?

Does anyone not see, it is Jewish atheists that run/control everything that is important to society.
It is Jewish atheists that also control and profit from everything evil in society.

If you think they are actually atheists in the non-jewish sense, then I have have to disagree.

As I've stated before in not so many words their needs from a 'god' has changed considerably from their tribal days pre OT.

Today, they neither fear their god nor worship him. He is merely a vehicle for the dominance of the jewish people over non-jews. Their understanding of their 'god' today is merely symbolic of some divine right the jewish people reserve strictly for themselves. It is an anthropomorphic representation of their desires and nothing more. To them their is no moral imperative that would ever override the prime jewish directive of survival and subordination of non-jews. They reserve the right to use god as vehicle to dominate on the one hand and on the other to utterly discard the concept when they see fit.

This is hardly the same as a non jewish atheist.

As far as moral action is concerned, there is none greater than the desire to see ones offspring survive and thrive, this is what ultimately governs moral behaviors in close social circles, the rest is just invective righteousness invented with little purpose other than dominance. This 'moral' code doesn't require invention through religious thought, it is inherent.

EE_

17th November 2014, 03:43 AM

If you think they are actually atheists in the non-jewish sense, then I have have to disagree.
I'm not sure I understand this? My reference was to Jewish born people, people that call themselves Jews and atheists.

As far as moral action is concerned, there is none greater than the desire to see ones offspring survive and thrive, this is what ultimately governs moral behaviors in close social circles, the rest is just invective righteousness invented with little purpose other than dominance. This 'moral' code doesn't require invention through religious thought, it is inherent.
I don't agree that moral code is inherent. Man is not born with it.
Many in the world have no moral code. Where is their inherent moral code?

As far as survival of your offspring, what keeps you from killing anyone that treats your child poorly?
What keeps you from killing another child that bullies, or hits your child? Only the threat of prison, by man's laws?

Celtic Rogue

17th November 2014, 03:47 AM

I dont know for sure... but I am pretty sure there is no magic man in the sky that created everything Nor does he/she do anything when people pray for things to happen! Here are the questions that always come to me when I ponder the possibility of a god.

Why would a supreme being have to create people and require them to worship him? And be so punitive to punish people that dont... and punish them for eternity! WOW... such a prick! Is god insecure or have a megalomaniac mind set?

Why does anyone with such powers need this worship? Seems odd. Also if god created EVERYTHING... where did he exist before he created everything? In another dimension? If so then he didnt create everything because at some point their would be nothing and nowhere to exist for himself.

To me god is a fix for the basic insecurity that we animals with self awareness created to placate our fears about death and the unknown. I am content to live my life... die and return to the elements that I am made of to nourish future generations of life on our planet. I need no place to go when I die to live for eternity with god and my loved ones.

There are and have been many religions and views of what god is... Why now is this one the only true god? I am sure all the other people around the world and through time felt that their god(s) were also the true god too! Religion and the believe in a god is used to control the populous! Always has and always will!

aeondaze

17th November 2014, 03:57 AM

I am content to live my life... die and return to the elements that I am made of to nourish future generations of life on our planet.

Beautifully put.

Its the simplicity of atheism which I find actually opens up the real beauty of the universe with all its conundrums and isolation, it has a sweet melancholy that few believers can appreciate.

aeondaze

17th November 2014, 04:02 AM

As far as survival of your offspring, what keeps you from killing anyone that treats your child poorly?
What keeps you from killing another child that bullies, or hits your child? Only the threat of prison, by man's laws?

Nothing, other than shared interests.

With all due respect, a belief in god doesn't prevent any of these things from happening either....

EE_

17th November 2014, 04:04 AM

I dont know for sure... but I am pretty sure there is no magic man in the sky that created everything Nor does he/she do anything when people pray for things to happen! Here are the questions that always come to me when I ponder the possibility of a god.

1. Can you tell me of anything in existance that wasn't created by something else?

2. Have you ever seen a miracle, or had a brush with death?

Why would a supreme being have to create people and require them to worship him? And be so punitive to punish people that dont... and punish them for eternity! WOW... such a prick! Is god insecure or have a megalomaniac mind set?

Religious teachings can be extreme, but are they reality?
Q. Why do you think you are 'required' to worship God?
Q. Can you think of anyone that should be punished for eternity?

Why does anyone with such powers need this worship? Seems odd. Also if god created EVERYTHING... where did he exist before he created everything? In another dimension? If so then he didnt create everything because at some point their would be nothing and nowhere to exist for himself.

There again, religious teachings can be extreme.
Q. Do you believe anything is/can be infinate, eternal?

To me god is a fix for the basic insecurity that we animals with self awareness created to placate our fears about death and the unknown. I am content to live my life... die and return to the elements that I am made of to nourish future generations of life on our planet. I need no place to go when I die to live for eternity with god and my loved ones.

Yes, you will return to the elements that you are made of...one little detail though, where does the energy/life-force go?

There are and have been many religions and views of what god is... Why now is this one the only true god? I am sure all the other people around the world and through time felt that their god(s) were also the true god too! Religion and the believe in a god is used to control the populous! Always has and always will!

I think you have this part somewhat figured out. Religion is a construct by man. Religion is used, belief is not.

kiffertom

17th November 2014, 05:46 AM

i'm middle aged. lately maybe in .the last few years i've had some strange experiences that in my opinion ca not be coincidences. there is something! a force beneficial for all living things! i can not put my hand on it but i see it and benefit from it frequently. speak it! receivce it! be careful what you wish for you just might get it! wo weeks in a row. on a friday about 11pm i was wide awake, bored. i decided to rewire an old black fan. i only had brown, white or clear cord. i needed black. i said to myself i need some black cord. i dont have it so ill use clear. did the job. woke up saturday went to the flea market. bingo!there was a man with two rolls of black cord. this happens so much its too much for a coincidence! just one example of man that i cant explain.

singular_me

17th November 2014, 06:19 AM

In my view, krishnamurti and walter russell are the most influential thinkers. I am a pantheist as I hold the belief that the universe (or nature as the totality of everything) is identical with God.

When Mind Consciousness dawns in man, God awareness likewise dawns in him, and he becomes illumined with full knowing of the Oneness of Mind of man and Mind of God.

God's Mind (the Aether) is absolute Stillness and Love [non dual)... to manifest itself to us, God's Mind divided itself... into positive and negative... electromagnetism, Life Force without which the Universe (and all creatures within) wouldn't exist.

Not understanding the above, causes evil... hence allowed by God. God will not stop evil... humans will, should they begin to grasp the true nature of their positive and negative experiences, emotions and senses.

the bible conveys the duality of God's Mind - manifestation:
Isaiah 45:7 -- I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

... it is up us to chose Good over Evil (being satanic or not in christian terms)...

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I for one believe that the comprehension of the nature and origins of electromagnetism offers the only way to bridge spirituality and sciences. Where rationality and metaphysics come together...

Ares

17th November 2014, 06:38 AM

I also voted for Pantheist. From all of my reading into Near Death Experiences and reincarnation accounts this one makes the most sense to me.

Is it right for everyone? Of course not. Your relationship with the creator should be personal. If you choose to have a personal relationship that is. Atheist choose not too, and that is of their own free will.

Shami-Amourae

17th November 2014, 06:50 AM

"Does God exist, and specifically what is His nature."

You're implying it's a him, and there's only one.

gunDriller

17th November 2014, 07:14 AM

"I subscribe to deism but unspecific" ... WOW ... what does that mean ?"

I am certain that creatures/things/beings with Godlike abilities exist.

I use the term thing, not to 'dis' God, but because I lack knowledge of his nature.

Only know that he/she/they exist.

What also seems very probable to me is that there is more than one such creature/thing/being, that has the capacity to effect us on Earth.

But that is my own logic & conclusion.

Neuro

17th November 2014, 07:21 AM

I'm not sure I understand this? My reference was to Jewish born people, people that call themselves Jews and atheists.I don't agree that moral code is inherent. Man is not born with it. Many in the world have no moral code. Where is their inherent moral code?As far as survival of your offspring, what keeps you from killing anyone that treats your child poorly?What keeps you from killing another child that bullies, or hits your child? Only the threat of prison, by man's laws?Humans are social creatures, that live in societies, and like other social animals in herds, we have moral codes in terms of what is acceptable behavior, most animals/humans adhere to these moral codes, the exception in normal circumstances is certain individuals who seem to have no regard for these rules, among humans we call them psychopaths or sociopaths... In extraordinary circumstances, dis-solution of society, starvation and unrest, more people are prepared to do wrong.

Does Christianity bring about a different moral code? Possibly, but to be honest I think for instance Italy and Turkey has more in common morally/culturally than Italy and Sweden, and probably Viking Era Scandinavia has more moral connectiveness with today's Sweden than modern Italy and Sweden.A lawyer I know in Turkey was amazed when she found out that contracts didn't need to be notarized in Sweden to be admissible in a court at a later date. She started learning Swedish... It used to be that the word of a man was to be trusted, now with import of turd worlders it's changing...

Anyway I think morality is a genetic trait to a large extent, but you grow into it and depending on upbringing it can be enhanced or diminished!

Celtic Rogue

17th November 2014, 07:29 AM

1. Can you tell me of anything in existance that wasn't created by something else?

Created is a term with many definitions. Yes I believe things are created... but not by a magic invisible being.

2. Have you ever seen a miracle, or had a brush with death?

No miracles... nothing like walking on water or water to wine type of things. I dont call people surviving an acciedent a miracle!... Brush with death... Yes many... So what? Prove that a god had anything to do with them.

Religious teachings can be extreme, but are they reality?
Q. Why do you think you are 'required' to worship God?
Q. Can you think of anyone that should be punished for eternity?

A. Because it is written that if you do not follow gods laws you will suffer eternal suffering and torment. By following gods laws you are tantamount worshiping his being.Praying on your knees is a sign of bowing down to their authority.

A. No not really.... you are asking a very vague question. I believe if we are to put people in jail for a crime. they should not be mistreated... and the punishment should be for a stated time... not eternity! Even when prisoners are given a life sentence... death ends that at some point!

There again, religious teachings can be extreme.
Q. Do you believe anything is/can be infinate, eternal?

A. Dont know and dont really care. Probably not. Why cannot god be finite too?

Yes, you will return to the elements that you are made of...one little detail though, where does the energy/life-force go?

I think you have this part somewhat figured out. Religion is a construct by man. Religion is used, belief is not.

I only believe in things I can taste, touch, see, hear or smell! Faith is a very misguided concept. Why would anyone risk their core beliefs to people that they have never known or under what circumstances they wrote what they did. God nor any supernatural being has ever shown themselves to me in any manner! Even though I was at one time on a quest for such knowledge. Until that day I choose the path of rationality and not speculative imaginations about a deity.

Agnostic is the way for me!

General of Darkness

17th November 2014, 07:35 AM

Tagged.

Santa

17th November 2014, 08:19 AM

Does God exist? God IS Existence. To ask if God exists is the same as asking if existence exists.

Do you exist? If you do exist then God exists. There is no alternative.

old steel

17th November 2014, 08:47 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K5PGWZ0DWI

Glass

17th November 2014, 08:51 AM

when I see the hate that avowed satan worshippers have toward christians (and basically all caucasians as they are all bundled together in this ideology), I don't worry about those who believe in God. I worry about those who believe in the other side. That is the main threat at the moment. They are the ones currently running the show.

Neuro

17th November 2014, 09:08 AM

Does God exist? God IS Existence. To ask if God exists is the same as asking if existence exists.

Do you exist? If you do exist then God exists. There is no alternative.
The greater question is whether Santa exists then... An important question to many innocent souls and almost always lied about... Really! WTF is it with that?

mick silver

17th November 2014, 09:54 AM

their more then meets the eyes . their got to be something bigger and greater then me an you

EE_

17th November 2014, 10:08 AM

Agnostic is the way for me!

1. Can you tell me of anything in existence that wasn't created by something else?

Created is a term with many definitions. Yes I believe things are created... but not by a magic invisible being.

The point is, everything created has a "creator". What the creator is, is another matter we don't have to agree on.
To answer my own question about 'anything that wasn't created'. The answer is 'Energy'. Energy can neither be created, or destroyed.
It is that same energy that is our spark of life and that of God. Maybe we are all part of God?

2. Have you ever seen a miracle, or had a brush with death?

No miracles... nothing like walking on water or water to wine type of things. I dont call people surviving an acciedent a miracle!... Brush with death... Yes many... So what? Prove that a god had anything to do with them.

Do you not view the gift of life, a women giving birth, a miracle?

I think at the time life starts and when near death, many people can feel this life force energy around us.
Maybe you never have?

Religious teachings can be extreme, but are they reality?
Q. Why do you think you are 'required' to worship God?
Q. Can you think of anyone that should be punished for eternity?

A. Because it is written that if you do not follow gods laws you will suffer eternal suffering and torment. By following gods laws you are tantamount worshiping his being.Praying on your knees is a sign of bowing down to their authority.

This is where myself and many will disagree. I believe the bible has been subverted by the Jews.
I do not think Jesus was a Jew, but isn't it convenient to have written in the bible one must worship a Jew?

A. No not really.... you are asking a very vague question. I believe if we are to put people in jail for a crime. they should not be mistreated... and the punishment should be for a stated time... not eternity! Even when prisoners are given a life sentence... death ends that at some point!

Does the evil of truely evil people die with them?

There again, religious teachings can be extreme.
Q. Do you believe anything is/can be infinate, eternal?

A. Dont know and dont really care. Probably not. Why cannot god be finite too?

This is the ultimate question no one can answer. If God is finite, what is on the other side of God?
If the universe is finite, what is on the other side of it?

Yes, you will return to the elements that you are made of...one little detail though, where does the energy/life-force go?

I think you have this part somewhat figured out. Religion is a construct by man. Religion is used, belief is not.

I only believe in things I can taste, touch, see, hear or smell! Faith is a very misguided concept. Why would anyone risk their core beliefs to people that they have never known or under what circumstances they wrote what they did. God nor any supernatural being has ever shown themselves to me in any manner! Even though I was at one time on a quest for such knowledge. Until that day I choose the path of rationality and not speculative imaginations about a deity.

I highlighted the part of your statement I totally agree with!

Sorry you are not able to see what God has shown to you. That is your ability to think, to love and witness the miracle of life.

Serpo

17th November 2014, 12:36 PM

Does God exist? God IS Existence. To ask if God exists is the same as asking if existence exists.

Do you exist? If you do exist then God exists. There is no alternative.

My experience from many years ago showed me once that all everything without exception is one energy from one source which is infinite and eternal and sounds a bit like the roar you get with a sea shell put to your ear.

To try and pin this down with words , ideas , even religion is some what a futile task but hey, good luck.

Neither male nor female but one complete energy.

It has NO name.

All things are a part of this without exception .

So if a person gains this understanding then all things become a reflection of this creating (as opposed to the word creator,which is the past tense) including them selves , and so in this way everything could be realized or seen as being from one source.

We can create separation with our minds and create an ego we can call ourselves made up of mind fragments and view the outside world as suspicious if we want to , but this is on the level of the mind.

By seeing from the level of the spirit or soul things appear differently then seeing from the level of the mind , which basically uses ideas ,memories , comparisons , concepts ect.

Seeing from the level of the spirit or soul requires little if any thought/emotion as we have gone one step further and you basically end up living in freedom...........................

This freedom is ................freedom from our own MINDS and EMOTIONS , FREEDOM FROM OURSELVES..................

If a person can /does/becomes truly conscious do you think they will be having self doubts from an over active paranoid mind.......... not likely..........because they will be awake and conscious in the present moment which is all that exists, all that will ever exist and is termed eternity. The eternal now.

Eternity isnt a concept or an idea in our heads , its real and is with us always.

Peace and love brothers and sisters.................

midnight rambler

17th November 2014, 12:47 PM

I am content to live my life... die and return to the elements

Are you thinking this 'I'* part of you will DIE??

*NOT the vessel but the consciousness which dwells within the vessel

"...there is no such thing as death..." --Bill Hicks

govcheetos

17th November 2014, 01:48 PM

He exists for sure. I think more in a Jesus just left Chicago style though.

Still has all the omnipotent power, just isn't hung up on it like people make Him out to be.

gunDriller

17th November 2014, 02:02 PM

He exists for sure. I think more in a Jesus just left Chicago style though.

Still has all the omnipotent power, just isn't hung up on it like people make Him out to be.

TRUE THAT !

Oh my God ! My Ebonic-y street talk slipped out !

I think God generally does not micro-manage.

When God becomes involved in people's lives, I think it is sometimes as described in Luke 1-27-38, which perhaps not coincidentally reads like some people's UFO encounters.

in that section of Luke, Mary is visited by Angels who tell her she will have a special baby.

I think the description of God as adopting a Human Form, has some truth.

As is shown in the movie 'Contact', Jodie Foster's angel takes on the appearance of her father.

Look what happened to Jesus, He came in a human form and they STILL beat him to death (Roman Soldiers doing the bidding of the Jewish priests ?)

Imagine what they would have done if Jesus had shown up as a pip-squeak gray alien looking thing, which used telepathy instead of speaking Aramaic out loud.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+1:27-38

" 27 to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David. The virgin’s name was Mary. 28 The angel went to her and said, “Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.”

29 Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. 30 But the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favor with God. 31 You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.”

34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”

35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called[a] the Son of God. 36 Even Elizabeth your relative is going to have a child in her old age, and she who was said to be unable to conceive is in her sixth month. 37 For no word from God will ever fail.”

38 “I am the Lord’s servant,” Mary answered. “May your word to me be fulfilled.” Then the angel left her."

I believe that Mary was visited by an Angel, and that Angel was effectively doing the work of 'God'.

But I am projecting when I say that. Who knows, maybe the whole biblical history is the result of one of the Angels going off on a Meth Bender.

My guess also is that the Angels often are humanoid in form. That would make contact with them less scary.

osoab

17th November 2014, 03:09 PM

He exists for sure. I think more in a Jesus just left Chicago style though.

Still has all the omnipotent power, just isn't hung up on it like people make Him out to be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fETEkrkTdHc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fETEkrkTdHc

JohnQPublic

17th November 2014, 03:38 PM

"I subscribe to deism but unspecific" ... WOW ... what does that mean ?"

One could for instance lump Chrisitianity with deism. I only meant the traditional deism which rejects a specific named God, but does not reject that there is "some" higher power. Thomas Jefferson for instance was a deist.

crimethink

17th November 2014, 04:17 PM

crimethink

17th November 2014, 04:28 PM

Why would a supreme being have to create people and require them to worship him?

Do you have kids? Do you want them to love you?

And be so punitive to punish people that dont... and punish them for eternity! WOW... such a prick! Is god insecure or have a megalomaniac mind set?

Our very existence is dependent upon God. Matter itself is frozen energy, held together by the "mind" of Jesus Christ, as Paul inferred.

Those who do not want a relationship with God are honored in their mistaken choice, and receive "separation" from God in the next phase of existence. Exactly what that entails I do not know, but I believe the "eternal fire" was an illustration for less sophisticated minds that represented never ending destruction (non-existence, erasure from the Universe).

Why does anyone with such powers need this worship? Seems odd.

Do you crave love from your children, or even your pets?

Also if god created EVERYTHING... where did he exist before he created everything? In another dimension?

Simply, yes. "Another dimension" is the best that our minds can fathom at this point. More accurately, though, above our dimension.

Goldissima and others often mention the "holographic universe." I agree with some aspects of that theory, especially as put forth by Michael Talbot. The "holographic universe" is a projection from the Mind of God. The entirety of our reality. Trying to "figure out" where God "came from" is both foolish and irrelevant.

To me god is a fix for the basic insecurity that we animals with self awareness created to placate our fears about death and the unknown.

The Luciferians have fought for millennia to lower God's finest creation, humans, to the level of animals. The organized attack on theism, especially Christianity, in the last two centuries has been led by the Luciferians (Judeo-Freemasons, "Illuminati," etc.).

I am content to live my life... die and return to the elements that I am made of to nourish future generations of life on our planet.

We are not merely meat machines.

There are and have been many religions and views of what god is... Why now is this one the only true god?

Of all the man-made gods throughout history, only One is still standing with any credibility.

Religion and the believe in a god is used to control the populous! Always has and always will!

Religion is man-made, like so many gods. The Almighty, however, is not man-made, and has no need for what is commonly referred to as "religion." In that sense, you are right, religions are created as social control apparatus.

mick silver

17th November 2014, 04:31 PM

when you see a hill a river bird can anyone here make the stuff that they see around them

crimethink

17th November 2014, 04:37 PM

Beautifully put.

Its the simplicity of atheism which I find actually opens up the real beauty of the universe with all its conundrums and isolation, it has a sweet melancholy that few believers can appreciate.

As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear headed science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about atoms this much: There is no matter as such. All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter.

[“Das Wesen der Materie” (The Nature of Matter), speech at Florence, Italy, 1944 (from Archiv zur Geschichte der Max-Planck-Gesellschaft, Abt. Va, Rep. 11 Planck, Nr. 1797]

I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness.

[The Observer, January 25th, 1931]

Max Planck

As I gained in age and experience, my interest shifted from the scientific toward the mystical. I found that any branch of science pursued to its peripheries ended in mystery. Man could neither explain the miracle of creation or the fact of his awareness, nor conceive the end of space and time. The miracles of science and technology become trivial in the face of the unknowable.

[Autobiography of Values]

Charles A. Lindbergh

crimethink

17th November 2014, 04:40 PM

Anyway I think morality is a genetic trait to a large extent, but you grow into it and depending on upbringing it can be enhanced or diminished!

Christianity – Religion of the West

http://www.heretical.com/miscella/oliver1.html

Libertytree

17th November 2014, 04:58 PM

I'm a Christian with a few Deist tendancies , or so I think.

mick silver

17th November 2014, 05:04 PM

I am a front porch baptish , on sunday I set in my swing knowing I cannot make the stuff I see around me

Serpo

17th November 2014, 05:21 PM

when you see a hill a river bird can anyone here make the stuff that they see around them

man wasnt satisfied , he went out and made his own world , and his own gods.

which of course is due to crash down all around him......but hey ,thems the breaks........

the sun keeps everyone warm ,rich or poor.........believer , non believer or have finished believing believer..........

crimethink

17th November 2014, 05:32 PM

the sun keeps everyone warm ,rich or poor.........believer , non believer or have finished believing believer..........

New Agers would like to worship the giant fusion reactor, rather than the Engineer who created the giant fusion reactor.

That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

Matthew 5:45

Serpo

17th November 2014, 05:39 PM

God exists regardless of whether His creations want to acknowledge or accept His existence.

I've never met an "atheist" who does not hate God for some trauma or major "slight" in their earlier life. Spiritual development was retarded or degenerated, and denial of His existence is "punishment" in their minds & hearts.

I often think that an atheist becomes one because they cant relate to any religion as such and in a way become a religion or a category in themselves.

Some maybe from hurt in the past sure.

Really in the end the very end , it comes down to perception or awareness of some one and their relationship with their own conscience .

Trying to hang on to screeds of "learned" religious matter in your head is going to become more and more difficult .

Increases in frequency levels means we spend less time swimming around in cluttered thought and more time in being actually aware in the moment.

This is easy to do .....stand anywhere look ahead and what do you see............we either see what we are looking at or we see the thoughts running around in our heads like a dream , like we are still asleep nearly, similar to a dream at night.

The run away mind can be compared to a nervous affliction.

If you look close , thats all it is.

Im talking about run away thoughts , that are out of control and not the part of the mind we use for day to day living.

crimethink

17th November 2014, 05:45 PM

I often think that an atheist becomes one because they cant relate to any religion as such and in a way become a religion or a category in themselves.

Yes, it's called Autotheism - worship of self.

Outright denial of the existence of a Creative Being or Force is illogical. No human has the power to discern "proof" that God/Creator/Creative Force "does not exist." Agnosticism - uncertainty - is consistent with logic, though still in defiance or denial of evidence.

Serpo

17th November 2014, 05:45 PM

New Agers would like to worship the giant fusion reactor, rather than the Engineer who created the giant fusion reactor.

That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

Matthew 5:45

I have no hidden agenda or beliefs in fact on anything and nothing will stop me loving the sun.

What about you crimethink ,do you love the sun or not.

Even an idiot can see there is more than the sun out there.......

Serpo

17th November 2014, 05:49 PM

crimethink

17th November 2014, 05:56 PM

What about you crimethink ,do you love the sun or not.

I'm very thankful God created the "greater light" (Genesis 1:16) for us to live by and enjoy.

Solar worship was (is) for primitive folk. They looked to the sky and thought the Sun was god. They didn't yet understand that the real God put it there, for our benefit.

singular_me

17th November 2014, 06:16 PM

crimethink
New Agers would like to worship the giant fusion reactor, rather than the Engineer who created the giant fusion reactor.

this is 12 grader statement...

singular_me

17th November 2014, 06:20 PM

the Bible and Light worship... Light... Sun... pagans were right, somehow. Without Light, no Life. Was the Bible adapted to pagan worship, so pagans would convert to Christianity easily? At the time paganism was in slow motion collapse.

I dont mind what people believe, sun, light... its all the same to me. To me only their intents do matter.
-------------------------
John 8:12
Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”

John 1:5
The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.

Matthew 5:16
In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.

Ephesians 5:8
For at one time you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light

more
http://www.openbible.info/topics/light

I'm very thankful God created the "greater light" (Genesis 1:16) for us to live by and enjoy.

Solar worship was (is) for primitive folk. They looked to the sky and thought the Sun was god. They didn't yet understand that the real God put it there, for our benefit.

more and more people think this way however,

God is of pantheist nature
6.... 24.00%

I subscribe to deism but unspecific
5... 20.00%

eons come and go.... according to some the new age is dying already and being replaced with the Age of Aether.

CT, what do you make of figuratively "drinking the blood and eating the flesh of Christ" during a mass... yet you state that Solar worship was (is) for primitive folk ???

crimethink

17th November 2014, 07:21 PM

this is 12 grader statement...

Too academically advanced for you?

crimethink

17th November 2014, 07:25 PM

the Bible and Light worship... Light... Sun... pagans were right, somehow. Without Light, no Life.

Worshiping the phenomena instead of the Creator. It's like the stupidity of thinking that frozen food comes from a machine, not a farm.

Was the Bible adapted to pagan worship, so pagans would convert to Christianity easily?

Pseudo-"Christian" rituals and holidays are adapted from paganism.

according to some the new age is dying already and being replaced with the Age of Aether.

Different name, same shit. Crapped out by the Devil, and peddled by his followers.

CT, what do you make of figuratively "drinking the blood and eating the flesh of Christ" during a mass... yet you state that Solar worship was (is) for primitive folk ???

I'm not Catholic. You'll need to ask a Catholic.

singular_me

17th November 2014, 08:02 PM

CT, you should start your torquemada-ish war on all other religions and belief systems instead... or going back to the roots of all religions, their history and more importantly the politics behind which dictates how and why they all have borrowed from one another, this to tell the same story in their own words, only their use of Numbers point to the obvious, same origin/source... yet humans fight this very fact and hate each other for this... I am holier than you... this is really childlike.

Isaiah 45:7
I form the Light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things

edit
so we have here God identifying Himself to 2 phenomenons, Light and Darkness... positive and negative... God is dual... dualism and non dualism are principles studied in philosophy and the main tenet of Buddhism... and people who got it, are called satanic new agers... ??? Indeed "divide and conquer" is here to stay.

old steel

17th November 2014, 08:09 PM

their more then meets the eyes . their got to be something bigger and greater then me an you

Dude for sure, we are talking about someone/thing here that is incredibly Supernatural.

Most people in real life don't deal very good with the Supernatural.

crimethink

18th November 2014, 12:09 AM

CT, you should start your torquemada-ish war on all other religions and belief systems instead

You have quite the obsession with Torquemada. I suspect because he nailed Maranos (Jews who faked conversion to Catholicism). Of course, it is Marxist Jews who are the premiere experts at persecuting spiritual people, both Christians in Eastern Europe and Buddhists in China/Tibet/Southeast Asia. Tens of millions dead. You know that, but would prefer to go back 500 years to someone who exposed Jews instead.

I attack New Age Luciferianism because it is purposely designed to destroy Christianity, and then, all civilized values. It is Cultural Bolshevism for spirituality.

I have no problem with Buddhism, Sikhism, or benign native traditions. They are incomplete, at best, but not deliberately hostile to God and His people.

I also recognize that Aryan Zoroastrians were the Three Magi who came to worship the infant King of the Universe.

so we have here God identifying Himself to 2 phenomenons, Light and Darkness... positive and negative...

You are erecting a strawman. I have not disputed dualism.

and people who got it, are called satanic new agers...

People who subscribe to manmade ideologies the purpose of which is to "deconstruct," displace, and eradicate Christianity are Satanic New Agers.

Indeed "divide and conquer" is here to stay.

There is no sane purpose to unity with error or evil.

"Unity above all" is of the same defective species as "diversity is our strength."

singular_me

18th November 2014, 07:02 AM

I am just not a new ager but a pantheist who has understood the nature of absolute reality and it is my understanding that provokes your anger. The result of a 10 year investigation into the meaning of power.

My beliefs are supported by math (and physics), a realization that I wouldnt trade for any dogmatic approach. If you have a beef with vortex theories and sacred geometry, that is your problem, not mine.

Actually if there is one-world-religious threat out there it is NOT new age but Math.

We all know that the NWO works at several levels, and anyone probing the roots of ALL religions will discover that it is Math the real threat to ALL man made beliefs , because Math makes it pretty clear, on the other hand parables are stretchable and subject to interpretations. Thousand years ago, it just was impossible to explain the math supporting Reality to the masses. And it still is...

No, CT, until you start understanding the math that is in the bible and/or any other religious texts, you and I will remain world apart.

I am looking forward to seeing in my life time the reunification of metaphysics and sciences... keep sticking to your admaic version of the bible and best of luck.

crimethink

18th November 2014, 11:02 AM

I am just not a new ager but a pantheist who has understood the nature of absolute reality and it is my understanding that provokes your anger.

Anger? No, not anger. Disgust, yes.

You don't understand "absolute reality." To dare claim you do is to claim you are a deity.

The result of a 10 year investigation into the meaning of power.

I've been seeking Truth since I was a kid. Truth is far more important than power.

My beliefs are supported by math (and physics)

No, they're not.

If you have a beef with vortex theories and sacred geometry, that is your problem, not mine.

I have a "beef" with your false perceptions that you actually have a grasp on what sacred geometry really means.

Actually if there is one-world-religious threat out there it is NOT new age but Math.

LOL - math is no threat. God created it.

No, CT, until you start understanding the math that is in the bible and/or any other religious texts, you and I will remain world apart.

We'll remain a world apart because you substitute New Age nonsense for facts & reality.

I am looking forward to seeing in my life time the reunification of metaphysics and sciences.

They never were apart. Well, unless you subscribe to Mystery Babylon's "science."

keep sticking to your admaic version of the bible and best of luck.

Yes, I'll stand by the Great Scientist & Engineer, creator of all things.

Serpo

18th November 2014, 01:14 PM

I'm very thankful God created the "greater light" (Genesis 1:16) for us to live by and enjoy.

Solar worship was (is) for primitive folk. They looked to the sky and thought the Sun was god. They didn't yet understand that the real God put it there, for our benefit.

So you cant say you LOVE the sun but are thankful for it , how nice of the creator to put it there for you.

Instead you worship your religion which has the son as opposed to the sun..........................only difference is the sun is real and here today.

They didnt understand the REAL god PUT the sun there for our benefit.

..................well that was a waste of time wasnt it , after man wrecks this world god may have second thoughts next time.

The sun wasnt put there for us numbskull , man thinks he is so special and in bed with god , except god has other ideas, like the sun is there whether man is here or not, your religion is starting to screw with your mind CT.

My chooks enjoy the sun but of course god put the sun there for us and not them hahaha............

singular_me

18th November 2014, 02:19 PM

Instead you worship your religion which has the son as opposed to the sun..........................only difference is the sun is real and here today.

Its all about semantic in the end.

"I Am the Light of the World" John 8:12-30

Serpo

18th November 2014, 02:24 PM

CT cant even LOVE the sun because it may seem to be pagan or his warped idea of new age, instead he is thankful for it ...hahaha

crimethink

18th November 2014, 04:13 PM

Instead you worship your religion which has the son as opposed to the sun..........................only difference is the sun is real and here today.

I'm sorry you deny His existence and presence.

The sun wasnt put there for us numbskull , man thinks he is so special and in bed with god , except god has other ideas, like the sun is there whether man is here or not

I'm sorry you think humans are not special. In this, you, again, agree with the New World Order criminals.

your religion is starting to screw with your mind CT.

I wouldn't call true enlightenment "screwing," but thank God that my mind & heart are being filled with the things of God!

crimethink

18th November 2014, 04:13 PM

Its all about semantic in the end.

"I Am the Light of the World" John 8:12-30

No Son = no Sun. :)

Serpo

18th November 2014, 05:23 PM

I'm sorry you deny His existence and presence.

what are you talking about now

I'm sorry you think humans are not special. In this, you, again, agree with the New World Order criminals.

so the sun is here for humans

I wouldn't call true enlightenment "screwing," but thank God that my mind & heart are being filled with the things of God!

dosnt quite sound like it. instead you are pretending to be good by learning the bible and attempting to emulate Jesus, its called fabricated in my books and by quoting all the stuff from others centuries ago you have become a second hand human, one that listens to others spirituality and taking it on as your own.

why do I need/want that , I dont .

My soul hasnt been stolen by a church , its still mine and intact.

crimethink

18th November 2014, 07:23 PM

My soul hasnt been stolen by a church , its still mine and intact.

You have a victim mentality. A persecution complex. What happened to you to bring you to this anti-Christian point? You see "the church" as this foreboding menace, in the same manner as "they" want us to fear ISIS or al-Qaeda. "The church" is your boogieman.

No earthly "church" has "stolen" my soul. Nothing on Earth can steal my soul. I gave it willingly to God. I have no use for state-licensed "churches" any more than you do.

Celtic Rogue

18th November 2014, 10:28 PM

This video just about sums up my views of why I am not a christian any longer. I am a rationalist... and faith is a gullibility.Also the fact that many christians are anything but christian in thier quickness to judge and condem others who may believe differently then they do.

http://youtu.be/0OCYhDFc42I

Glass

18th November 2014, 11:27 PM

churchianity or christianity?

crimethink

19th November 2014, 12:03 AM

This video just about sums up my views of why I am not a christian any longer. I am a rationalist... and faith is a gullibility.

You have complete faith in reason.

Human reason is not infallible.

Also the fact that many christians are anything but christian in thier quickness to judge and condem others who may believe differently then they do.

As the Salt of the Earth, we are required to discern good & evil, and explain or expose that which is wrong. Not to persecute, but to guide to righteousness. Unfortunately, most want to persist in malevolent behavior. Of course, those who do evil don't want to be told they're doing wrong, and scream persecution.

Celtic Rogue

19th November 2014, 03:27 AM

You have complete faith in reason.

Human reason is not infallible.

No I have reasonable expectations based on evidence and trust that has been earned. Nothing is infallible even with believe in a god. By believeing in a god you can pray all you want and things will never get better than they would have without prayer! Believing in a god doesnt make anything less infallible! You can spit in one hand and pray into another... See which one fills up the quickest!

As the Salt of the Earth, we are required to discern good & evil, and explain or expose that which is wrong. Not to persecute, but to guide to righteousness. Unfortunately, most want to persist in malevolent behavior. Of course, those who do evil don't want to be told they're doing wrong, and scream persecution.

LOL Who made you the salt of the earth? Is this some self appointed title or do you believe its god given? Same old BS ... Some people thinking that they know best how other people should live. This sounds a whole lot like the progressive socialists we have in Washington today! Just as I dont need government to tell me how to live and what is right ... I dont need any religious group or institution to do it either. This also smacks of judgement as you are judging what is righteous or good and evil! My morals do not rely on any beliefs or faith. They have been taught to me by my parents and my life experiences.

Glass

19th November 2014, 04:00 AM

No I have reasonable expectations based on evidence and trust that has been earned. Nothing is infallible even with believe in a god. By believeing in a god you can pray all you want and things will never get better than they would have without prayer! Believing in a god doesnt make anything less infallible! You can spit in one hand and pray into another... See which one fills up the quickest!

I think a lot of people don't understand prayer. It is not to bring benefit to oneself. You pray for others. Just like a body fixes itself if allowed, a person can do the same for the their whole. I pray for the ones no longer here that they aren't lost somewhere, or the ones who I'm worried might soon join them. I pray to say thanks that I got another day regardless of how much use I made of it.

You can't point to some thing and say that was Satan who did that. But you can point to some peoples acts and say they were satanic. Do you point to some thing and say that was god who did that or do you point to some people and say that was a godly act. A lot of people say there is not God because God let this or that happen. God doesn't act directly but through others, us. If it happens and it's evil its Satan using others. If there is not enough good being done then who's it down to? I think there are not enough people though which good is being done. I think the number of people doing good is growing quickly now. I'm hopeful.

Twisted Titan

19th November 2014, 05:33 AM

Absolutely.

I have had and still going through an enormous amount of supernatural happenings that cannot be dimissed as random occurences or blind luck.

Very,very specific.

General of Darkness

19th November 2014, 05:42 AM

Absolutely.

I have had and still going through an enormous amount of supernatural happenings that cannot be dimissed as random occurences or blind luck.

Very,very specific.

Since quitting drinking, I'm starting to get back to who I am, and I have this feeling that there was an angel on my shoulder that pushed me over the top to just do it.

So I'll just leave this here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKP60Hl0kVM

singular_me

19th November 2014, 06:22 AM

As a pantheist, to me praying implies invoking an external entity/spirit/god, so I do not pray but just am in interaction with the Whole as much as I can, doing the best I can, try to resolve conflicts with others without getting too upset and to improve the way I convey my thinking, genuinely help people, when I am getting paid always give a little extra as money is not everything.... and more importantly forgive myself and take responsibility for what it is at my own level in action and speak of the mufti-layers deceptions whenever possible . When really needed, I meditate calling up my higher-self.

sorry to read about your worries, Glass, but just know there is no such a thing as death, its a transition.... and it is a ride that will blow your mind as your pineal gland will take over and release the necessary DMT to allow this fabulous journey into the Greater Reality, Fear is what causes evil in our 3D.... and we are here to learn about it :)

edit
the main purpose of water fluoridation is to calcify/neutralize the pineal gland, the center of consciousness in humans. To impede any psychic connection with Universe. It is pretty well documented on the net btw.

the poll so far... interesting.

God is the Christian God
11.... 40.74%

God is of pantheist nature
6... 22.22%

I subscribe to deism but unspecific
5... 18.52%

JohnQPublic

19th November 2014, 09:41 AM

the poll is closed, I see... interesting.

Where do you get that? It is still open. Anyone that has not voted can. You an only vote for one choice.

mick silver

19th November 2014, 10:05 AM

I no longer go to a church because the church is all around me

General of Darkness

19th November 2014, 10:05 AM

Where do you get that? It is still open. Anyone tat has not voted can. You an only vote for one choice.

he probably vote already and just forgot

singular_me

19th November 2014, 10:46 AM

yes I saw this after writing my post... just forgot to edit my line... keep it open as long as possible :)

Where do you get that? It is still open. Anyone tat has not voted can. You an only vote for one choice.

JohnQPublic

19th November 2014, 11:19 AM

I no longer go to a church because the church is all around me

I could question that from a couple of perspectives:

1. From the perspective of the ancient Churches (Catholic, Orthodox), Churches do contain sacred space. So the Church is really not all around you.
2. From the perspective of some protestant Churches, "The Church" is composed of its members. As the number of Christians dwindle, there are fewer around you.

But I still get what you are saying.

Serpo

19th November 2014, 11:52 AM

http://amanfrommoab.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/English.png

BarnkleBob

19th November 2014, 12:10 PM

Below is a really good & quick read.... highly recommended!

GODS DEBRIS

http://nowscape.com/godsdebris.pdf

Hitch

19th November 2014, 07:57 PM

Absolutely.

I have had and still going through an enormous amount of supernatural happenings that cannot be dimissed as random occurences or blind luck.

Very,very specific.

My recent experience agrees. A person can have faith, but until you experience things first hand, you really understand how real things can get. Very specific and very, very real.

crimethink

20th November 2014, 06:15 PM

http://amanfrommoab.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/English.png

Spong claims to be a Christian, yet calls Jesus Christ a liar.

His beliefs:

Theism, as a way of defining God, is dead. So most theological God-talk is today meaningless. A new way to speak of God must be found.
Since God can no longer be conceived in theistic terms, it becomes nonsensical to seek to understand Jesus as the incarnation of the theistic deity. So the Christology of the ages is bankrupt.
The Biblical story of the perfect and finished creation from which human beings fell into sin is pre-Darwinian mythology and post-Darwinian nonsense.
The virgin birth, understood as literal biology, makes Christ's divinity, as traditionally understood, impossible.
The miracle stories of the New Testament can no longer be interpreted in a post-Newtonian world as supernatural events performed by an incarnate deity.
The view of the cross as the sacrifice for the sins of the world is a barbarian idea based on primitive concepts of God and must be dismissed.
Resurrection is an action of God. Jesus was raised into the meaning of God. It therefore cannot be a physical resuscitation occurring inside human history.
The story of the Ascension assumed a three-tiered universe and is therefore not capable of being translated into the concepts of a post-Copernican space age.
There is no external, objective, revealed standard written in scripture or on tablets of stone that will govern our ethical behavior for all time.
Prayer cannot be a request made to a theistic deity to act in human history in a particular way.
The hope for life after death must be separated forever from the behavior control mentality of reward and punishment. The Church must abandon, therefore, its reliance on guilt as a motivator of behavior.
All human beings bear God's image and must be respected for what each person is. Therefore, no external description of one's being, whether based on race, ethnicity, gender or sexual orientation, can properly be used as the basis for either rejection or discrimination.

From his, "A New Christianity for a New World"

Christ had Spong in mind when He said this: "Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name....And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many."

Serpo

20th November 2014, 06:25 PM

Havnt you been listening..............

believe

[bih-leev]

Examples (http://gold-silver.us/forum/source-example-sentences)
Word Origin (http://gold-silver.us/forum/source-word-origin)

verb (used without object), believed, believing. 1. to have confidence in the truth, the existence, or the reliability of something, although without absolute proof that one is right in doing so: Only if one believes in something can one act purposefully.

verb (used with object), believed, believing. 2. to have confidence or faith in the truth of (a positive assertion, story, etc.); give credence to.

3. to have confidence in the assertions of (a person).

4. to have a conviction that (a person or thing) is, has been, or will be engaged in a given action or involved in a given situation: The fugitive is believed to be headed for the Mexican border.

5. to suppose or assume; understand (usually followed by a noun clause): I believe that he has left town.

Verb phrases 6. believe in,

to be persuaded of the truth or existence of: to believe in Zoroastrianism; to believe in ghosts.
to have faith in the reliability, honesty, benevolence, etc., of: I can help only if you believe in me.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/believe

Beliefs are not the TRUTH so why place undue importance on them.

Whatever we believe is not the truth , its a belief.

If you think that the belief in something is as good as the real product then you are sadly mistaken.

If I believe in something ,say a train , do you think the believing in the train will make it appear, no , so why should it be any different in a religion , believing in god isnt necessarily going to bring on a connection.Mainly because God resides in the heart , wheres indoctrination resides more in the HEAD.

This way a person attempts to get in touch with their heart through the mind.............Ned Flanders rings a bell...............no spontaneity or instant living , its always a interpretation with the brain first ,check the programming and then act.............its false and not real.

Serpo

20th November 2014, 06:50 PM

Cant change the vote but Im now swinging to this choice ,mainly because no one voted for this one ,so baring in mind God must be all things at all times , it can not get a zero vote.

God is other monotheistic God

Monotheism literally means "the belief in only one God"

So if all these other groups or religions are raving on about the same one God ...............

Before we created God in our minds we where God...........................

Horn

20th November 2014, 06:56 PM

Quite specifically, God's nature is a stream of conscious energy.

The only "controls" by definition are at points where consciousness meets the unknown, void.

Man an expression in creation to explore those points.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6boHOX8r60

Horn

20th November 2014, 07:07 PM

Cant change the vote but Im now swinging to this choice ,mainly because no one voted for this one ,so baring in mind God must be all things at all times , it can not get a zero vote.

God is a Publican.

No, votes are not required.

mick silver

20th November 2014, 07:12 PM

you guys need to go outside and look up at the night sky

Horn

20th November 2014, 07:18 PM

you guys need to go outside and look up at the night sky

Figures Mick would Pick a foggy night and No Moon.

Twisted Titan

20th November 2014, 07:41 PM

Absolutely.

I have had and still going through an enormous amount of supernatural happenings that cannot be dimissed as random occurences or blind luck.

Very,very specific.

True Story today.

My Mom is very sick and she took a bad fall,breaking her wrist and seriously injuring her back and knee.

She sent the word out to all her kids that they need to visit her sooner rather then later and there has been alot of squaking amognst the kids because there is bad blood on several issues among ourselves and issues with my mom.

She doesnt have a estate but she appointed me to carry out her wishes should the unforseen happen or she gets" called away"

She had to get a injection for her knee yesterday later on that day she calls me back saying she is not feeling to well and she called 911
Get to the hospital they discover she has internal bleeding and she is going to be kept until they get it to stablize.

I am in a legal battle for my house and i filed a motion this month i though i would have to appear sometime next month.
I get a call from the court today i have to appear tommarrow. I am not prepared in anyway to battle with these hacks.

I was able to request an adjourment today i cited my moms medical condition as my reason ...i had both the court and the plaintiff approve the adjourment.in less than 45 minutes.

That is unheard of for a pro se litigant especially in light of the fact the court was under no obligation to hear it

Like i said it has to be a higher power guiding my steps because sheer luck stopped about 3 years ago on this matter

th

kiffertom

21st November 2014, 05:49 AM

mick silver

21st November 2014, 06:25 AM

mick silver

21st November 2014, 06:28 AM

http://www.beliefnet.com/~/media/CB115437DC9D4081A062C9B1F7D9963F.ashx?w=400&h=300&c=1

Twisted Titan

21st November 2014, 07:01 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybEdQsewadw
this is a movie called zeitgeist the final cut. the first 30 minutes details how the bible relates to the sun and the stars. i highly recommend watching it. youll think differently a after seeing it.

Ziletgiest was a christ bashing fiasco.

They only give passing references to other religions ...but they repeatedly take christianity behing the woodshed.

And anytime throughtout that sociolist drama they ALWAYS show a image of christ.

Heres a lil experiment if you have time.

Turn the volume off and just look at how many times you see christian imagery

Now watch it again but see what they were referencing

I gurantee you do you will then see the subliminal undertones that CONSTANTLY take potshots at it.

Now ask yourself there is a ocean blood that is on the hands of all major religions ( sans buddhisim) but PETER JOZEF is only concerned with christian blood and extreminisim

Why ....why do you think that is?

t

singular_me

21st November 2014, 07:27 AM

all religions are astro-theology based... all of them... and astrology is math in essence, the calculations are just replaced with names of constellations and their positions at a given time. Astrology was banned then renamed astronomy... just like alchemy, with chemistry. Its was done with the intent to conceal the spirituality embedded into math, each number has a meaning (language of God), and wage war on consciousness.

Man's brain is wired on spiritual math, and the NWO knows it.

eventually, all mythologies and religions lose steam, so the PTBs just REadapt the old knowledge to the new doctrine/dogma. It is a cosmic pattern obeying the beginning and ending of eons, astrological cycles determined by galactic planes... rise of christiany began with the age of pisces... now fading with the age of aquarius coming up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybEdQsewadw
this is a movie called zeitgeist the final cut. the first 30 minutes details how the bible relates to the sun and the stars. i highly recommend watching it. youll think differently a after seeing it.

Horn

21st November 2014, 10:00 AM

Most western and some eastern religions are based in the dark magic arts or paegan conjuration, with regards to replace simple neccessity.

Hence a Christmas tree when its cold outside and u need some wood to burn.

Santa

21st November 2014, 10:15 AM

Serpo

21st November 2014, 01:52 PM

http://www.beliefnet.com/~/media/107807AFD61B459E86B6812C74FA67D9.ashx?w=400&h=300&c=1http://www.beliefnet.com/Inspiration/Funny-Church-Signs.aspx?b=1&p=23&utm_campaign=Yahoo2&utm_medium=paid_distribution&utm_source=Yahoo

text while driving ............crash into a lamp post ...............meet Jesus because you will be dead...............

Serpo

21st November 2014, 01:54 PM

Horn

21st November 2014, 04:21 PM

Therefore, Synchrony is God.

I would remind those who have taken the brown acid,

to analyze deeply their comments prior to posting.

crimethink

21st November 2014, 08:54 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybEdQsewadw
this is a movie called zeitgeist the final cut. the first 30 minutes details how the bible relates to the sun and the stars. i highly recommend watching it. youll think differently a after seeing it.

Russell Pine aka "Jordan Maxwell" is well-known to be a liar and a fraud. Listening to him about Christianity is like listening to Abe Fuxmen about the Holocaust™.

crimethink

21st November 2014, 08:58 PM

Now ask yourself there is a ocean blood that is on the hands of all major religions ( sans buddhisim) but PETER JOZEF is only concerned with christian blood and extreminisim

Why ....why do you think that is?

Shalom!

Joseph and his mentor/source, Russell Pine, were chosen by Lucifer to teach we Goyim.

crimethink

21st November 2014, 09:04 PM

Astrology was banned then renamed astronomy

Wrong (what a surprise).

Study of the stars is, indeed, ancient, but as people began to understand the scientific method, the discipline became known as astronomy (law or nature of the stars). The nonsensical aspects were relegated to astrology. Astronomy did not emerge from astrology; they share common roots of a wide-body of observational and superstitious knowledge.

Both Biblical phenomena and sacred sites like Stonehenge were based on what we now call science. Idiocy about the zodiac, etc., and its fake influence on human behavior, continues to be appreciated by fools. The latter does not include scientifically-valid phenomena like Moon phases' effects on human & animal behavior.

crimethink

21st November 2014, 09:07 PM

vacuum

21st November 2014, 11:37 PM

If I were to give a name to God, it would be Synchrony. Einsteins theory of relativity, or E=MC2 was missing the most important component, S for Synchrony. It should read SE=MC2. Energy, in and of itself can easily be changed, altered and manipulated, but synchronous nature is what makes it divine.

Using math and science, we attempt to build machines that emulate Synchrony, (perfectly synchronous motion), but always fail due to entropy. Energy becomes overheated, disordered and escapes into other forms.

A useful metaphor would be, Synchrony=God and Entropy=Satan.

Energy without Synchrony is sort of the proverbial Emperor without clothes. Though, more accurately, clothes without an Emperor.

Synchrony is the Great Wonder of the Universe, of Consciousness, of Existence, and of Life. Synchrony is the Great Symphony.

Therefore, Synchrony is God.

Here's a really interesting theory on entropy:
http://www.quantamagazine.org/20140416-times-arrow-traced-to-quantum-source/

The basic idea is that the entropy of the universe is actually constant, rather than something that is increasing forever. It posits that entropy is the result of quantum entanglement phenomina, rather than the classical irreversible statistics explanation.

The significance of this is obviously very big. It means that there is a negentropic force which you could call life/god if you wanted to use that term. Why? Because we know entropy is real. But if the entropy of the universe remains zero constantly, then there is an equal thing counteracting it.

There's nothing magical about it. It's just the flow of information, how that information is concentrated and arranged (god) and how that information is dispersed (entropy). I'm not saying this is my "religion" but I thought I'd add on to what you said.

Santa

22nd November 2014, 06:34 AM

Here's a really interesting theory on entropy:
http://www.quantamagazine.org/20140416-times-arrow-traced-to-quantum-source/

The basic idea is that the entropy of the universe is actually constant, rather than something that is increasing forever. It posits that entropy is the result of quantum entanglement phenomina, rather than the classical irreversible statistics explanation.

The significance of this is obviously very big. It means that there is a negentropic force which you could call life/god if you wanted to use that term. Why? Because we know entropy is real. But if the entropy of the universe remains zero constantly, then there is an equal thing counteracting it.

There's nothing magical about it. It's just the flow of information, how that information is concentrated and arranged (god) and how that information is dispersed (entropy). I'm not saying this is my "religion" but I thought I'd add on to what you said.

Thanks, this is very interesting. I've always appreciated your contributions, Vacuum.

Using an obscure approach to quantum mechanics that treated units of information as its basic building blocks, Lloyd spent several years studying the evolution of particles in terms of shuffling 1s and 0s. He found that as the particles became increasingly entangled with one another, the information that originally described them (a “1” for clockwise spin and a “0” for counterclockwise, for example) would shift to describe the system of entangled particles as a whole. It was as though the particles gradually lost their individual autonomy and became pawns of the collective state. Eventually, the correlations contained all the information, and the individual particles contained none. At that point, Lloyd discovered, particles arrived at a state of equilibrium, and their states stopped changing, like coffee that has cooled to room temperature.

Horn

22nd November 2014, 06:45 AM

At that point, Lloyd discovered, particles arrived at a state of equilibrium, and their states stopped changing, like coffee that has cooled to room temperature

That case was also proven from a line in a Led Zeppelin song titled Stairway to Heaven.

"To be a rock, and not to roll"

singular_me

22nd November 2014, 07:14 AM

you and I will be disagreeing forever... superstitious knowledge.... that must be why the bible is filled with kaballah-numerology.... :) you are trashing a fact that you sustain (un)consciously.

give me a break...

Wrong (what a surprise).

Study of the stars is, indeed, ancient, but as people began to understand the scientific method, the discipline became known as astronomy (law or nature of the stars). The nonsensical aspects were relegated to astrology. Astronomy did not emerge from astrology; they share common roots of a wide-body of observational and superstitious knowledge.
Both Biblical phenomena and sacred sites like Stonehenge were based on what we now call science. Idiocy about the zodiac, etc., and its fake influence on human behavior, continues to be appreciated by fools. The latter does not include scientifically-valid phenomena like Moon phases' effects on human & animal behavior.

Santa

22nd November 2014, 07:37 AM

Sounds like neo-Gnosticism.

God said His name is "I am that I am," or, the original, ancient One, uncreated. Outside or above of our universe, our dimension(s). Entropy is not Satanic, it is part of the material order God established. Like death, it is part of what humans chose for themselves.

Entropy, Satan and Death are the same subject, only described in different conceptual contexts. Scientific, theosophic and Literal.

singular_me

22nd November 2014, 07:56 AM

will read the article later, but it already makes lots of sense as creation/birth vs decay/entropy is a zero sum game.

always appreciate your input Vacuum

Here's a really interesting theory on entropy:
http://www.quantamagazine.org/20140416-times-arrow-traced-to-quantum-source/

The basic idea is that the entropy of the universe is actually constant, rather than something that is increasing forever. It posits that entropy is the result of quantum entanglement phenomina, rather than the classical irreversible statistics explanation.

The significance of this is obviously very big. It means that there is a negentropic force which you could call life/god if you wanted to use that term. Why? Because we know entropy is real. But if the entropy of the universe remains zero constantly, then there is an equal thing counteracting it.

There's nothing magical about it. It's just the flow of information, how that information is concentrated and arranged (god) and how that information is dispersed (entropy). I'm not saying this is my "religion" but I thought I'd add on to what you said.

crimethink

22nd November 2014, 02:24 PM

Entropy, Satan and Death are the same subject, only described in different conceptual contexts. Scientific, theosophic and Literal.

Entropy & death are not synonyms. Satan is not synonymous with either.

Santa

22nd November 2014, 03:47 PM

Entropy & death are not synonyms. Satan is not synonymous with either.

Meh... Of course they are. Just as God, Life, and Love are often used synonymously.

crimethink

22nd November 2014, 04:09 PM

Meh... Of course they are. Just as God, Life, and Love are often used synonymously.

That's Cracker Jack box "philosophy." Cheap poop "culture."

"God is Love" or "God is Life" are figurative illustrations of His nature, not synonyms.

Humans experience entropy every day. It's called aging. It is not death - it leads to death.

Satan is a personal entity that opposes God's Order. His methods lead to death.

vacuum

22nd November 2014, 04:34 PM

That's Cracker Jack box "philosophy." Cheap poop "culture."

"God is Love" or "God is Life" are figurative illustrations of His nature, not synonyms.

Humans experience entropy every day. It's called aging. It is not death - it leads to death.

Satan is a personal entity that opposes God's Order. His methods lead to death.

The main problem we have is that:

There is no precise definition for the word "God".

There is no precise definition for the word "life".

There is no precise definition for the word "love".

There is no precise definition for the word "Satan".

You may have your own personal definition of these terms. And indeed you are correct that his use of those words is therefore wrong compared to your use of them. But the problem is one of semantics. We're using words for concepts which are inherently outside of our full comprehension. Of course we will disagree with what exactly these words mean.

This doesn't mean the concepts themselves are subjective, but rather it means we can't encapsulate it all in specific words with exact definitions.

See this below:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignosticism

Horn

22nd November 2014, 06:03 PM

Semantically, synonymous, with nihilistic synchronicity.

Exemplified by a man sitting on the banks of the river void, his thoughts melting into the river.

Whether, or not there is a point, is causal in effect to the evidence that you are the point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sx5X3Jd8DI4

crimethink

22nd November 2014, 07:27 PM

The main problem we have is that:

There is no precise definition for the word "God".

There is no precise definition for the word "life".

There is no precise definition for the word "love".

There is no precise definition for the word "Satan".

You may have your own personal definition of these terms. And indeed you are correct that his use of those words is therefore wrong compared to your use of them. But the problem is one of semantics. We're using words for concepts which are inherently outside of our full comprehension. Of course we will disagree with what exactly these words mean.

This doesn't mean the concepts themselves are subjective, but rather it means we can't encapsulate it all in specific words with exact definitions.

I use the only definitions that matter: those of Jesus Christ. They're not "my" definitions, but His.

God = Yahweh, the original, uncreated, ancient One. He who created all things, and is God of everything & everyone at all times, not just ancient Hebrews.

Not all spiritual philosophies or religions are equal. That's a leftist idiot's position.

mick silver

23rd November 2014, 02:06 PM

hey crime what country is god from ?

mick silver

23rd November 2014, 02:47 PM

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/P46.jpg

Serpo

23rd November 2014, 02:56 PM

hey crime what country is god from ?

New Zealand............hehe

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-G3fmptZrnZw/UM_mDxuusxI/AAAAAAAAN2w/ItJ-v8uuupw/s1600/Lake+Tekapo+New+Zealand+01.jpg

http://www.scenicpacific.co.nz/images/galleries/MilfordCruisesAndOvernight/milford3.jpg
http://www.queenstownscenicretreat.co.nz/images/Scenic%20Drive%20%2821%29.jpg

http://s3-ak.buzzfeed.com/static/2014-09/4/2/campaign_images/webdr02/21-times-new-zealand-proved-it-was-funnier-than-u-2-14797-1409813113-3_big.jpg

(http://www.queenstownscenicretreat.co.nz/scenic-queenstown-retreat-photo-gallery.html#)

crimethink

23rd November 2014, 04:17 PM

hey crime what country is god from ?

What sort of question is that?

God transcends time itself...countries are meaningless to Him.

Twisted Titan

4th December 2014, 11:24 AM

True story today.

When i got the adjourment the next two motion days was Dec 5th and Dec 19th.

Naturally i ask for the 19th .

I was kinda worried that plaintiff and the courts would pull a fast one make the motion on the 5th but i didnt want to call because i am still in tbe middle of my family emergency.

So im driving today and lo and behold the court is calling me....im like are you fricken kidding me???

So its the law clerk and she says would i be able to make the hearing tommarrow?

I say no because i am still dealing with the emergency.

She say i see that you requested the 19th but the judge wont be in on that day so your motion will bbe heard on january 9th.

That will be fine mam.

So i just got an additional month to prepare to deal with these hacks.

Do you really expect me to believe that was sheer luck?

Like i said that ran out several years ago.

There. Is a higher power guiding my steps and when the dust settles on this case...i will be standing in the winners circle i can gurantee it because i didnt get this far to fail.

You can explain away my events however you like.....but i know what is true for me.

Twisted Titan

4th December 2014, 12:54 PM

............

Horn

5th December 2014, 11:33 AM

You can explain away my events however you like.....but i know what is true for me.

We certainly know it isn't luck that a government anointed representative has the entire month of December magically off.

lol

Twisted Titan

13th December 2014, 04:53 AM

We certainly know it isn't luck that a government anointed representative has the entire month of December magically off.

lol

There are 3 sitting judges in my chancery ( 2 are tribesmen) and i know for a fact the other is irish

My case could have easily be assigned to that judge and the other side is certainly eager to drop the hammer on me because i am lingering in thier eyes.

But i guess when your "lucky" you can pull a card like that out again and again.

Silver Rocket Bitches!

13th December 2014, 05:59 PM

Neuro

14th December 2014, 02:36 AM

Neuro

14th December 2014, 04:25 AM

There are 3 sitting judges in my chancery ( 2 are tribesmen) and i know for a fact the other is irish

My case could have easily be assigned to that judge and the other side is certainly eager to drop the hammer on me because i am lingering in thier eyes.

But i guess when your "lucky" you can pull a card like that out again and again.
Happy Hanukkah Tvistein! ;D

Twisted Titan

19th December 2014, 03:23 AM

I believe in a higher power but feel that trying to define it is futile. It's like a first grader trying to comprehend calculus. Call it agnostic theism if you want but I just don't subscribe to religious dogma. One day we will know. Today is not that day.

I can agree with that.

If god wanted a particular dogma we wouldnt have any discreation on the matter. Just like we have no diecreation over how we breathe.

singular_me

20th July 2016, 09:00 AM

well, today it is the day, for those who can stomach it.

why are there NUMBERS (of God) in all religions...

why is mathematics the language of God, Oneness of Good irrefutable (a 12 grader can get it)

ps: the one world religion has always been among us, it just is that every belief system tries to camouflage it in its own words

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS2-UJBrDoc

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Silver Rocket Bitches! View Post
I believe in a higher power but feel that trying to define it is futile. It's like a first grader trying to comprehend calculus..... One day we will know. Today is not that day.

Glass

20th July 2016, 03:44 PM

be aware that when watching Marty Leeds that he is a high level freemason and by definition a satanist.

IIRC During the first few minutes he builds up to his first spell.

Serpo

13th December 2017, 05:30 PM

My experience of GOD was never ending for a number of months when I was in India, some decades ago.

GOD seemed to be beyond ALL religions and the experience is akin to a presence in all things when our minds have shut up their useless chatter and we experience a deeper part of ourselves.

Just the other day I began reading , the new revelation or the new message at newmessage.org.

For people with deeply held BELIEFS it maybe difficult to get your head around it at first but to me I found it a great experience to begin reading what Marshal Summers who has spent forty years writing.

This is not a new religion but a direct look into the actual mind of GOD.

This message is for our times right now, the other messages , aka Buddha, Jesus,Mohammad are a little dated so a new message has been given for these times.

Many people may not be able to connect to it because of the over lay of beliefs or even anti belief which is another form of belief in a way.

Reading this message is like walking down a spiral staircase or rabbit hole into our own mind, the deeper levels of our own mind which has been obscured by distraction, belief ect.

The read seems to take a person on a journey of discovery from the very beginning and anyone wanting to attack this message , please read it first so you do not make an idiot of yourself.

This is not a world religion as it is not a religion in the first place ( as if we need another one to add to the mix).

It is in fact very relevant for the times we live in TODAY.

jcismylord

13th December 2017, 08:09 PM

Here is my story.

I studied many a philosophy, as well as many a religion system.

I studied them, first, because I had to, as a requirement for PHD.

Then, later on, I studied them for fun and as a hobby.

Then, 15 years ago, I dug down into the King James Bible, 1611.

The KJV 1611 is the only true and verifiable word of God. I mean true God.

Everything else is either a B/S or a lie. Period.

Jewboo

18th December 2017, 08:47 PM

https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1444/27/1444270685073.jpg

No.

SmartAZ

26th September 2018, 02:19 AM

It's dum to have a "Christian God" option because in Christian doctrines there are many gods, and if you want to know about the Most High God you are supposed to read the book that He gave for that purpose. So your poll only applies to non-Christians.

The Most High God claims to be the God of rightness. That's why there is no visible likeness. People have a list of rules they use to determine rightness. That list is invisible, but everybody believes in it, even to the point of dying for what it says. The problem is when you make up your own list. The usual approach is to take a list that you have been given and make it more emphatic. That is what Eve did in the garden.

Bottom line: It doesn't matter whether you believe in the God of rightness. He is still the God of rightness.

BTW did you know the garden of Eden has been found? It's here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjuYYFn1cXk