US police shoot dead boy, 12, holding toy gun

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Police in the US city of Cleveland shot and killed a 12-year-old African American boy waving around what turned out to be a toy gun at a playground (AFP Photo/)





Washington (AFP) - Police in the US city of Cleveland shot and killed a 12-year-old African American boy waving around what turned out to be a toy gun at a playground, officials and reports said Sunday.
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The shooting in Ohio comes amid high racial tensions in the United States, with a grand jury set to announce whether a white policeman will be indicted for the fatal shooting in August of an unarmed black teenager in the St Louis suburb of Ferguson in Missouri.
Ohio was also the scene of another fatal shooting in August, when police responding to a 911 call shot and killed a black man, John Crawford, in a Walmart store while he was carrying a toy gun sold there.
In this latest incident, officers called to the scene Saturday fired at the boy twice, hitting him at least once in the stomach, after reports that he was pointing a gun at people.
The boy, identified by the county medical examiner's office as Tamir Rice, died early Sunday, local newspaper The Plain Dealer reported.
One of the police officers was in his first year in the force, it said.
Audio released of a 911 call made to police records the caller saying the gun was "probably fake."
Both officers have been placed on administrative leave pending an investigation, as is standard in such cases, Cleveland police said in a statement.
"Upon arrival on scene, officers located the suspect and advised him to raise his hands," the statement said.
"The suspect did not comply with the officers' orders and reached to his waistband for the gun.
"Shots were fired and the suspect was struck in the torso."
It added: "Further information reveals that the weapon which the 12-year-old suspect was in possession of is an 'airsoft' type replica gun resembling a semi-automatic pistol, with the orange safety indicator removed."
Reports said surveillance footage from the playground was being used in the investigation.
In response to Saturday's shooting and the one that killed Crawford in August, state lawmaker Alicia Reese announced Sunday she would introduce a bill to require all toy guns to be brightly colored or have prominent fluorescent stripes.
"The shooting of John Crawford III devastated many people in our community and left us looking for answers," Reece said.
"This bill is but one small step in addressing this tragedy and helping to prevent future deadly confrontations with someone who clearly presents little to no immediate threat or danger.
"With Saturday’s deadly shooting of a 12-year-old in Cleveland, it is becoming crystal clear that we need this law in Ohio," she added.
Brown's shooting in Ferguson over the summer led to weeks of violence in the St. Louis suburb of 21,000, which has an African-American majority and an overwhelmingly white police department and town government.
The death prompted a nationwide discussion about race and led to a Department of Justice probe into the Ferguson police department.


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[mick silver]

oh boy here we go again

[midnight rambler]

To justify their fuck-up they referred to this 12 y.o. child as "a young man".

[7th trump]

I take it by the name of the idiot with the fake gun hes a negroe.
Like the cops arent taking chances with these stupid baboons.
The baboons have made a name for themselves as vicious racist animals and when something like this happens its always a cops fault.
I'd shoot as well if a dumb ass was pointing a gun at me.
I dont trust these baboons to put a fake orange piece on a real gun to look like a toy just to carry a gun.
Maybe if the negroe's stop being thugs as they strive to be.........the populace might look at them differently.

[Cebu_4_2]

12 year old thug...

[7th trump]

12 year old thug...

No.......it a 12 year old dumbass who awarded himself the Darwin award.

Black point of view.
Having a gun and pointing it at people is cool.

White point of view.
Black youth having a gun and pointing it at people in public............gangster thug.

Police point of view
Black youth having potential weapon and pointing it at people in public...........not taking any chances.....equals dead dumbass negroe.


The question is where was the parents to stop the dumbass before getting himself killed by a cop?
I mean really.........are these negroes that stupid in this day and age?
This kid was abviously having fun pointing a toy gun at people.....it was only a matter of time before a cop would put an end to this stupidness. His time just came faster than others.

I'm glad theres one less dumbass off the streets.

[madfranks]

The cops were probably practicing with these targets earlier in the day:

http://cloudfront-assets.reason.com/assets/mc/_external/2013_02/little-boy-with-real-gun-court.png

[crimethink]

"Upon arrival on scene, officers located the suspect and advised him to raise his hands," the statement said.
"The suspect did not comply with the officers' orders and reached to his waistband for the gun."

Emphasis added.

It all hinges on if that is true.

[vacuum]

To justify their fuck-up they referred to this 12 y.o. child as "a young man".

The article says "unarmed black teenager".

[Ares]

Emphasis added.

It all hinges on if that is true.

Very true, we've seen it play out one too many times where the cops lied. But of course having them investigate themselves really isn't ideal as they usually just get a paid vacation and no action taken.

[Serpo]

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[crimethink]

Very true, we've seen it play out one too many times where the cops lied. But of course having them investigate themselves really isn't ideal as they usually just get a paid vacation and no action taken.

And we've seen countless times "mah baybee don' do nuffin'!" as well. Like with the cause of the lunacy in St. Louis tonight. Numerous so-called "eyewitnesses" insisted "Mikey Brown be shot in da back!"...and then the autopsy reports came out.

[Horn]

Is it possible that cops are trained to be big pussies anymore?

[midnight rambler]

The article says "unarmed black teenager".

At the nooz conference the PD Chief said "young man" - saw and heard him say that.

[vacuum]

At the nooz conference the PD Chief said "young man" - saw and heard him say that.

I guess my point was that the article is factually incorrect by referring to a 12 year old as a teen, so the bias in the media is even greater than the original interview.

[Glass]

If he was young enough or simple he might of thought they were playing a game. If he's only kid after all, its nearly always play time.

[woodman]

"Upon arrival on scene, officers located the suspect and advised him to raise his hands," the statement said.
"The suspect did not comply with the officers' orders and reached to his waistband for the gun.


Maybe they told him to 'put down the weapon', in which case he would have reached for it. We don't know, but we do know that they will spin things to make their actions look better. Just why are they so eager to shoot though? If he 'reached' to his waistband, this still leaves a lot of time for them to act with restraint. They could have shot him in the shoulder. I wonder how many times they shot him.

When I was a kid we played war. We ran all over the neighborhood shooting at each other with our toy guns. I was probably 6 or 7 at the time, but still....

[7th trump]

What ever...the negro is learning the hard way you cant be a nigger and get away with it.

Hopefully they'll get the idea that being "nigger thug" isnt being tolerated as depicted in their music or video's.
Reality is setting in...time to act like mature people.....or take a chance of being target practice.

[crimethink]

If he was young enough or simple he might of thought they were playing a game. If he's only kid after all, its nearly always play time.

Doesn't matter if he is 12, 22, or 32, the Nigger mentality is that it's Grand Theft Auto all the time.

Fact: Negroids mature far more quickly than White or Asian young. 12 is not really a "child" for them. At least relative to their average mentality.

And let's be real: is a 12-year old, even a White one, unable to kill?

[crimethink]

They could have shot him in the shoulder.

God, people are clueless.

[osoab]

The cops were probably practicing with these targets earlier in the day:

http://cloudfront-assets.reason.com/assets/mc/_external/2013_02/little-boy-with-real-gun-court.png

probably closer to this.

http://bakertargets.com/images/13811715465451071105511.jpeg

[Glass]

Doesn't matter if he is 12, 22, or 32, the Nigger mentality is that it's Grand Theft Auto all the time.

Fact: Negroids mature far more quickly than White or Asian young. 12 is not really a "child" for them. At least relative to their average mentality.

And let's be real: is a 12-year old, even a White one, unable to kill?

not with a toy gun. Just trying to put some un bias spin on it. Some thing as to what the kid was playing at and i think it was just that.

Can you cite your Fact? Which kind of maturity are you talking about? physical or mental?

[crimethink]

not with a toy gun.

So, anyone facing someone pulling a pistol-like object out of their waistband is expected to wait until it doesn't fire a lethal projectile at them before taking measures to defend themselves?

Bullshit to that.

I'm not going to engage you in another fruitless debate about "citations." The facts are available regarding Negroid mentality should you ever choose to be serious about learning about it.

[Glass]

Well some good news at last. But seriously, you were not there. You can't be sure. your apparent hatred for all things black limits your perspective.

I'm not one way or the other on colour. I'm not an idiot though. I would not drop my guard. I know that opportunity can be seized a any time. Been there, done that. I've worked in one of the roughest places in this city for many years and regularly came under attack, and while it doesn't match chicago it's plenty rough that it would fit right in there in the US of A.

I'm more interested in what actually happened.

Given that the phone call to police said someone was in a shop waving around a gun that was probably fake. Sure not something you do but kids are kids and they don't have the perspective an adult has. That's why adults have to guide them. Had everyone fled in terror from this kid or was he just running around the isles. Was there any video? I don't know.

Was asked before I guess. Where was the parent figure.

[woodman]

God, people are clueless.

This is your best retort? Call me clueless? How about addressing my points instead of merely resorting to name calling. Very immature and telling of your character. I really don't know what happened, I don't have the time nor the desire to investigate this. It is merely another of a long and unending string of possible abuses by our police, who have become a militarized force, antagonistic towards the very people and order of law they are supposed to protect.

You probably feel that I am antagonistic toward police, who we as a society have given the task of enforcing our laws and ensuring domestic tranquility. All I can say is that they (the Police) have become the very monster they are supposes to repress. This was a twelve year old boy. First and foremost a twelve year old boy. You have already stated your belief that blacks are not human. You come to the table under the belief that this killer (the cop) merely put down a dangerous animal. I personally do not know that. The only thing I know is from reading the above report. The 12 year old boy had a toy gun in his belt. The cop shot him dead after ordering him to lay down.

What do I think happened? I think a cowardly, trigger-happy cop, told a kid to put down his weapon. The kid, who was probably not very intelligent, went to comply with the order and was shot repeatedly by the aforementioned sub-human. This is what initially comes to my mind. I have one hell of an imagination. I don't know shit about what happened though and neither do you.

[crimethink]

your apparent hatred for all things black limits your perspective.


You meant to say "your realistic perspective of the 'average' Black 'youth's' behavior based on your personal experience," right?



Was there any video?


Yes, but not yet released.




Was asked before I guess. Where was the parent figure.

The mother? Likely "working" horizontally.

The father? Probably in the usual place (incarceration).

[crimethink]

This is your best retort?

It was completely sufficient.

Only an imbecile suggests someone can "shoot someone in the shoulder" in a potentially life-threatening encounter and not risk fatal consequences. THAT is why I called you clueless. Have you even fired a pistol?

In the "other" cop-shoots-Black-"youth" matter we're discussing currently, Wilson aimed center-mass, and made hits in the shoulder - the reverse, but just as easily the opposite.




The kid, who was probably not very intelligent


Wow, why ever would you think that?

[woodman]

It was completely sufficient.

Only an imbecile suggests someone can "shoot someone in the shoulder" in a potentially life-threatening encounter and not risk fatal consequences. THAT is why I called you clueless. Have you even fired a pistol?

In the "other" cop-shoots-Black-"youth" matter we're discussing currently, Wilson aimed center-mass, and made hits in the shoulder - the reverse, but just as easily the opposite.




Wow, why ever would you think that?

Again your weak imagination seeks to overpower the opposing viewpoint by name calling. You just called me an imbecile. I assure you, I am no imbecile. You however, are showing yourself to be weak by resorting to such tactics. It is akin to what I used to deal with as a child on the playground. Say, you aren't a 'Youth' are you?

Since you ask; Yes, I have guns and I know how to use them. I am not a coward. I have been in fights and nearly died from them. I know how to defend myself and stand my ground. I stand my ground to a fault. I know fear but it sickens me to think that it would be my master. I was once saved from death by a young girl. Interesting story. Maybe I'll tell it sometime.

I truly believe the cops who are involved in these shootings are cowards. A twelve year old boy with a toy gun. The brave and heroic cop suppressed the menacing negro and saved white civilization!

I will admit that if one truly felt their life threatened it would be very foolish to not shoot to kill and shoot to overkill at that. This is as far as I will go toward conceding the point. Yeah, it was stupid to say that he should have shot him in the shoulder. This does not mean I am stupid as you so aver. He was a coward and felt his life was in danger by the boy with the toy gun in his belt. His judgement was poor by any measure and he has no business acting as a brave man. No one and I mean no one, should be a cop, unless they are brave and have a good measure of testosterone. It is a dangerous business to put a weapon and a sanction to use it with impunity in the hands of a coward. I truly feel that a cop who felt so threatened in such a circumstance with a 12 year old boy, has no business being a cop in the first place. Again, I was not there, I only surmise.

You end your post with the comment, "Wow, why ever would you think that?" I suspect it is an attempt at sarcasm. Again, weak. Your sarcasm is not nearly as 'black' as mine.

[crimethink]

You just called me an imbecile.


The shoe fits?




Yeah, it was stupid to say that he should have shot him in the shoulder.

LOL - despite whining about my "weak" arguments you just admitted I was right. :)

[Glass]

You meant to say "your realistic perspective of the 'average' Black 'youth's' behavior based on your personal experience," right?


No.

[woodman]

The shoe fits?




LOL - despite whining about my "weak" arguments you just admitted I was right. :)

There is a thing called 'humanity'. To act in a way that is humane is to act with kindness and decency. It is not to lash out and call other people names, nor to deny their humanity. You fall short of the very qualities you deny the black race possesses. The shoe fits you say and you claim I am an idiot. I will wear that shoe proudly if it distances me from the likes of you. You have proven yourself to be less than a man. You are a boy. Too bad you aren't intelligent enough to argue your points better. You could then be a bully. As it stands you are merely a pitiful excuse for a misanthrope.

[Horn]

The timing of this event along with Ferguson and Cosby, appears as an attempted shot at center mass.

Preachers of Fred Faith should be bullseye directly incited.

[crimethink]

There is a thing called 'humanity'. To act in a way that is humane is to act with kindness and decency. It is not to lash out and call other people names, nor to deny their humanity. You fall short of the very qualities you deny the black race possesses. The shoe fits you say and you claim I am an idiot. I will wear that shoe proudly if it distances me from the likes of you. You have proven yourself to be less than a man. You are a boy. Too bad you aren't intelligent enough to argue your points better. You could then be a bully. As it stands you are merely a pitiful excuse for a misanthrope.

Man, that's a hoot!

The faux moralist starts preaching away about "acting with kindness and decency" and "not lashing out and calling other people names, nor denying their humanity." He then proceeds to refer to me as "the likes of you," calls me "less than a man," says I am not "intelligent enough," and am a "pitiful excuse for a misanthrope."

;D;D

"Clueless imbecile" was correct.

[osoab]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1GaaMYhrw0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1GaaMYhrw0

[Glass]

wow so the cops were on a mission to kill. Was there any interaction at all. I realise it is maybe sped up a little but it looks like they just charged in and shot the guy. Could not pull up on the kerbside down in the front there. At some distance to assess the situation? Probably not I guess.

So did that police guy say anything else? Personally I thought the kid was in a building of some sort, not in a playground.

[Cebu_4_2]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1GaaMYhrw0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1GaaMYhrw0

Wow that 'little' kid was pointing the gun at people and all around. I have no idea what transpired when the pigs got there but they didn't waste time fixing the problem. That 'kid' was acting just like a gangsta thug, better now than later I guess. Still sucks the kid could have been taught better than to point shit at people.

I see this kill as justified as shown and no other information.

[woodman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1GaaMYhrw0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1GaaMYhrw0

I've watched the vid. All I can see is a kid playing with a toy gun. He is slinging it around like they show on westerns. The cops pull up and almost immediately shoot him. Were they even 5 feet away? I'm surprised they even got out of the car they were so scared. He lays there dying and they circle around him in fear. They are so frightened they won't even try to save him as he dies.

But what do I know? I'm an imbecile.

[osoab]

I've watched the vid. All I can see is a kid playing with a toy gun. He is slinging it around like they show on westerns. The cops pull up and almost immediately shoot him. Were they even 5 feet away? I'm surprised they even got out of the car they were so scared. He lays there dying and they circle around him in fear. They are so frightened they won't even try to save him as he dies.

But what do I know? I'm an imbecile.

the cops did what they are trained to do. they are not trained to shoot them in the shoulder. i agree with your assessment that they pulled up and unloaded on the kid. they are a pair of trigger happy buffoons that get a paid vacation.

to blame anyone, blame the parent. you don't go around waving a gun or a toy gun along with pointing it a people in a very public setting. mom (assuming no dad here) should have done her job.

[crimethink]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1GaaMYhrw0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1GaaMYhrw0

Not very helpful due to low quality, but it does appear that he pulled something up from out of his pants just before the cop opened up.

[crimethink]

I've watched the vid. All I can see is a kid playing with a toy gun. He is slinging it around like they show on westerns. The cops pull up and almost immediately shoot him. Were they even 5 feet away? I'm surprised they even got out of the car they were so scared. He lays there dying and they circle around him in fear. They are so frightened they won't even try to save him as he dies.

But what do I know? I'm an imbecile.

The only relevant fact: he pulled "something" out of his pants as the cops began to engage him.

No one in their right mind is going to wait to find out if it actually fires real bullets. Real guns can be painted blue or whatever color you want.

Sad that he had to suffer dearly due to failed parenting and probably lack of common sense on his part.

[Shami-Amourae]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kMoAaSB92E

[Glass]

Its possible he was putting something in his pants. maybe he waistbanded the gun before approaching the po po.

[Cebu_4_2]

Personnel Files Of Officer Who Shot Tamir Rice Reveal “Emotional Perplexity”, Inability To Handle Firearms
By: Annabelle Bamforth Dec 4, 2014 3

Cleveland, OH- Personnel files of Cleveland Officer Tim Loehmann released by Cleveland.com (http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/12/cleveland_police_officer_who_s.html#incart_m-rpt-1) revealed that Loehmann displayed serious problems with handgun training stemming from emotional issues.

Loehmann’s personal and professional history is under scrutiny following the tragic November 22nd incident in which Loehmann shot and killed (http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/11/cleveland_police_officer_shot_1.html#incart_big-photo) 12-year-old Tamir Rice after a 911 call reported a person with a gun that was “probably fake”. Surveillance footage of the shooting showed that Loehmann shot Rice within seconds of approaching him in a cruiser, contradicting a statement from Deputy Police Chief Ed Tomba who said officers gave Tamir three orders (http://www.cleveland.com/opinion/index.ssf/2014/11/video_of_tamir_rice_shooting_b.html) to “show your hands”.

Before joining the Cleveland Police Department, Loehmann was a patrol officer working for the Independence Police Department. A memorandum, written by Independence Deputy Chief Jim Polak, expressed concern over Loehmann’s emotional issues during his poor performance at a state range qualification course for handgun training. Polak wrote that he was notified of Loehmann’s emotional issues by Independence Police Sgt. Greg Tinnirello:

“I was notified by FTO Sgt. Tinnirello of the following circumstances related to our recruit, Ptl. Loehmann. A written statement was included. On this date, during a state range qualification course Ptl. Loehmann was distracted and weepy. He could not follow simple directions, could not communicate clear thoughts nor recollections, and his handgun performance was dismal. Sgt. Tinnirello tried to work through this with Ptl. Loehmann by giving him some time. But, after some talking it was clear to Sgt. Tinnirello that the recruit was just not mentally prepared to be doing firearm training.”



According to the memorandum, Tinnirello and Loehmann then went for a drive to discuss the incident at the shooting range. During this drive, “Sgt. Tinnirello continued to speak with Tim about his problems, and Ptl. Loehmann continued with his emotional meltdown to a point where Sgt. Tinnirello could not take him into the store, so they went to get something to eat and he continued to try and calm Ptl. Loehmann,” Polak wrote. “Sgt. Tinnirello describes the recruit as being very downtrodden, melancholy with some light crying. Sgt. Tinnirello later found this emotional perplexity was due to a personal issue with Ptl. Loehmann’s on and off again girlfriend whom he was dealing with till 0400 hrs the night before.”

Polak added that Loehmann was “not mature enough in his accepting of responsibility or his understanding in the severity of his loss of control on the range.”

The memorandum noted that Loehmann appeared to display lack of loyalty with IPD. “He [Loehmann] keeps referring to being told to stay in Independence, although it appears he often thinks of going to NY, where his best friend lives, and he has opportunities to work for NYPD,” Polak wrote. “He told me that he was called by NYPD, and although he declined their position, he was told he would be on their list for 2 more years. That theme was repeated many times by Ptl. Loehmann, even him stating, ‘I will work here as long as possible; and do my best, but if I find I don’t like it then I will go do something else.’ I found this lack of commitment to us, disturbing.”

Polak concluded that “due to this dangerous loss of composure during live range training and his inability to manage this personal stress, I do not believe Ptl. Loehmann shows the maturity needed to work in our employment. Unfortunately in law enforcement there are times when instructions need be followed to the letter, and I am under the impression Ptl. Loehmann, under certain circumstances, will not react in the way instructed. Ptl. Loehmann’s lack of commitment for his future here at Independence is disconcerting.” Polak recommended that Loehmann be released from the department and wrote that neither “time, nor training, will be able to change or correct these deficiencies.”

Loehmann chose to resign ahead of being released by IPD. Loehmann joined the Cleveland Police Department in March. Cleveland police spokesman Sgt. Ali Pillow acknowledged (http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/12/cleveland_police_officer_who_s.html#incart_m-rpt-1) that Cleveland police never saw the the personnel files criticizing Loehmann and recommending his departure from IPD before hiring him. Cleveland police had inquired IPD’s human resources department about any disciplinary measures taken against Loehmann during his time there, and IPD informed them that there were none.

CBS reports (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/tim-loehmann-cleveland-officer-who-shot-boy-tamir-rice-had-no-choice-cops-dad-says/) that Loehmann has returned to work but is not on patrol while an investigation is underway.

[osoab]

Cleveland Police Charged Tamir Rice With “Aggravated Menacing” a Week After Killing Him (http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2015/05/cleveland-police-charged-tamir-rice-with-aggravated-menacing-a-week-after-killing-him/)



It took two seconds for a Cleveland police officer to shoot and kill 12-year-old Tamir Rice for playing with a pellet gun, claiming he was in fear for his life.

It took another week for police to charge the boy with “aggravated menacing” and “inducing panic,” according to documents published today by the Daily Kos. (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/05/20/1386356/-Cleveland-Police-charged-12-y-o-Tamir-Rice-w-the-crimes-of-aggravated-menacing-inducing-panic)

But even six months after the controversial shooting that was captured on surveillance video last November, investigators have yet to interview (http://e) the cop who shot and killed him, a man named Timothy Loehmann who has a history of emotional instability and disciplinary problems.

A man who should have never been hired.

However, that hasn’t stopped Loehmann and his partner, Frank Garmback, from asking a judge to delay a lawsuit filed by Rice’s family until after the “pending investigation” is complete.

Not that they’re doing anything to help that investigation along, refusing to speak to investigators about it.

Nevertheless, the Cuyahoga County Sheriff’s Office, which is handling the investigation, says it is almost done.

[Cebu_4_2]

This was in MSM right?

[Carl]

The only reason I clicked on this thread was to find out why the police would want to shoot a dead boy, it made no sense.......

[Cebu_4_2]

The only reason I clicked on this thread was to find out why the police would want to shoot a dead boy, it made no sense.......

The police can and will shoot at will due to no repercussions. That includes blacks, whites and the offspring of the same. They charged a dead boy AFTER killing him. How is this a sane society when this shit goes on over and over.

[midnight rambler]

The police can and will shoot at will due to no repercussions. That includes blacks, whites and the offspring of the same. They charged a dead boy AFTER killing him. How is this a sane society when this shit goes on over and over.

Being that the flesh and blood living soul perished at the hands of the 'public servants' several days prior it should be plainly clear to see that they were charging the LEGAL FICTION of the deceased with a crime (and therefore IT DOES NOT MAKE SHIT to the murdered child since he's DEAD).

Much like the Wacko Biker Massacre where the local po-po and Sheriff Numbnuts are doing everything they can to deflect attention away from the actual circumstances of those ritualistic gang blood sacrifices earlier this week. Perhaps they will charge some or all of the nine murder victims with (a) crime(s).

[Cebu_4_2]

Being that the flesh and blood living soul perished at the hands of the 'public servants' several days prior it should be plainly clear to see that they were charging the LEGAL FICTION of the deceased with a crime (and therefore IT DOES NOT MAKE SHIT to the murdered child since he's DEAD).

Much like the Wacko Biker Massacre where the local po-po and Sheriff Numbnuts are doing everything they can to deflect attention away from the actual circumstances of those ritualistic gang blood sacrifices earlier this week.

I know as a fact that I do not have the ability to kill anything that is not threatening me or my family. Bugs bees wasps (except flies, they came from hell) Birds, squirrels, groundhogs.. they all deserve to be left alone to work on this planet. The current police... idonno if I would be able to NOT defend myself or family if they arrived. I know they are deadly and will kill everyone where I am and chalk it up to whatever flavor of the week is and walk it off with a paid vacation.

I do NOT think a national police force is in any way required but that is this push showing the regular local militarized police in action.

[mick silver]

Cebu that something every one needs to think about , but we all know the answer to it . no one will walk away from militarized police .
all one needs to look at are who are the ones being hired by the city and small town police forces now and most If not all are ex vets coming back from war zones