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old steel
1st December 2014, 09:50 PM
One with a pistol included.





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Woops sorry, my bad.

http://loadoutroom.com/12313/ultimate-survival-shotgun-setup/

Shami-Amourae
1st December 2014, 09:55 PM
It would help to post a link and info:
http://loadoutroom.com/12313/ultimate-survival-shotgun-setup/

If I had to choose my ultimate survival shotgun, the H&R Tracker 2 Slug Gun (http://www.hr1871.com/firearms/shotguns/tracker2.asp) would be it. Why? It has a 24″ rifled barrel and adjustable iron sights. Most smoothbore shotguns only come with a beaded front sight. Both the adjustable sights and the rifled barrel give a shooter the ability to accurately engage targets beyond 100 yards, as long as they do their part. With a 12-gauge sabot or rifled slug, you can drop anything in North America that walks. Related Posts

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The single-shot shotgun is one of the easiest weapons to maintain in the field, and it’s remarkably durable given that it has very few moving parts. Yes, follow-up shots will be slower, but with practice, they can still be done pretty fast. This is a very good modern-day equivalent to what Roger’s Rangers would have carried. If they were that successful at unconventional warfare with a single-shot muzzleloader, then there is no reason we cannot be as effective with a single-shot shotgun. The versatility of this gun is what makes it so amazing. Once I settled on the shotgun I wanted to use, I made the following modifications to it:

I sanded down the wood stock and prepped it to be painted. I kept the original wood stock instead of getting a composite stock because this bad boy tends to have a decent amount of recoil. The wood stock was heavier, which helps dampen recoil, and it provided a nicer recoil pad.
I replaced the wood forend with a Choate Store-Arm Forend (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/763418/choate-store-arm-forend-h-and-r-nef-single-shot-shotguns-rifles-muzzleloaders-composite-black?cm_vc=sugv1763418). This is a reinforced polymer forend that also gives me the ability to break down the gun quickly.
I painted the entire gun using Rust-Oleum camouflage colors to break up the gun’s profile and help it blend into the woodland environment better.
I wrapped the end of the barrel with jute twine. By doing this, the jute twine will, over time, start to fray—adding additional concealment to the gun. This also gives me something to use as a fire starter if I needed it in a survival situation, cordage to use if I needed to tie something up or replace a broken boot lace, or to tie a splint with when applying first aid. Its uses are only limited by your imagination.
Finally, I added a BLACKHAWK Mountain Rifle Sling (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/196392/blackhawk-mountain-sling).

Now here is where things start getting really cool if you’re using a single-shot 12 gauge. There is a company—Short Lane Arms (http://www.gunadapters.com/)—that manufactures sub-caliber inserts (http://www.gunadapters.com/pathfinder-line-with-dave-canterbury/) for single-shot shotguns. I own three of them: 9mm, .45 Long Colt, and a 209 shotgun primer adapter. These 8” adapters are rifled to increase accuracy. Now, I can pair my sidearm with the shotgun. Since I carry a Glock 17, I can now use the same 9mm ammunition I carry with my Glock for use in my shotgun! http://loadoutroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Subcaliber-Inserts_opt-630x472.jpg (http://loadoutroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Subcaliber-Inserts_opt.jpg)http://loadoutroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/9mm-Adapter_opt-e1414005087829-630x840.jpg (http://loadoutroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/9mm-Adapter_opt-e1414005087829.jpg)http://loadoutroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/45LC-Adapter_opt-630x472.jpg (http://loadoutroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/45LC-Adapter_opt.jpg)http://loadoutroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/209-Primer-Adapter_opt-630x472.jpg (http://loadoutroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/209-Primer-Adapter_opt.jpg) For all intents and purposes, I can now shoot four different types of ammunition out of my survival shotgun. If you walk into most stores, the shelves of ammunition are typically pretty empty. Most of what’s left is 12 gauge ammunition, which is a bonus if you’re using a shotgun as your survival weapon. http://loadoutroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Ammunition_opt-630x472.jpg (http://loadoutroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Ammunition_opt.jpg) Let’s take it a step further from the standard shotgun ammunition, rimfire ammunition, and centerfire ammunition. Short Lane Arms also makes a 209 shotgun primer adapter (http://www.gunadapters.com/12-gauge-to-209-muzzle-loader-adapter/) for the single-shot 12 gauge. With that, you can turn your shotgun into a muzzleloader! By using the 209 adapter, all I need is a box of 209 primers, some muzzleloading propellant, and a container of BB’s. If you don’t have any cotton material for patching, you could cut up an old cotton t-shirt or use wax paper. I stick to 100 grain measurements: 100 grains of propellant and 100 grains of steel BB’s. I use the same measuring device for both powder and shot. http://loadoutroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Muzzleloading-Kit_opt-630x472.jpg (http://loadoutroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Muzzleloading-Kit_opt.jpg)Here is the basic muzzleloading kit I keep for my shotgun.

With this shotgun, the sub-caliber inserts, and my Glock 17, I feel pretty confident that if it ever came down to a survival situation, whether in a wilderness setting, collapse of society, or some type of power-grid failure, I can hold my own. Remember, you’re going to want a platform that is simple and adaptable when it comes to any of these scenarios. This package offers not only simplicity, but also reliability and adaptability. http://loadoutroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Survival-Gun-Combo_opt-630x472.jpg (http://loadoutroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Survival-Gun-Combo_opt.jpg) Remember: The world is a dangerous place; be prepared, and stack the odds in your favor! -Scott

crimethink
2nd December 2014, 05:29 AM
Single-shot shotgun > nothing

With all the weapons that are rugged and still widely-available, why would anyone choose a single-shot as a "survival weapon"? Subcaliber adapters? Hardly a reason. "Ease of maintenance"? Only if one is woefully incompetent.

In a SHTF scenario, your search for meat will be limited to small animals, as you & your competitors will bag all the big ones in the first week after your last "civilized" meal. Much better to have a weapon that can effectively deal with bipedal predators than deer.

Shami-Amourae
2nd December 2014, 06:34 AM
A lot of those inserts work on pump guns too. I'm mainly focusing on maximizing the versatility of my Remington 870.

By the way, I've wanted to get a centerfire semi-auto but don't own one. I've been leaning towards a AK-47 variant or a Mini-14. The most important thing to me is reliability. Thoughts?

mick silver
2nd December 2014, 07:02 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/02/Saiga_12_shotgun.jpg/450px-Saiga_12_shotgun.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Saiga_12_shotgun.jpg)US civilian aftermarket modified "Saiga-12K" shotgun . my barrel s a few inch longer but the same gun

mick silver
2nd December 2014, 07:06 AM
get the drum http://promagindustries.com/489-thickbox_default/saiga-12-gauge-12rd-polymer-drum-magazine.jpg

mick silver
2nd December 2014, 10:54 AM
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mick silver
2nd December 2014, 11:04 AM
one of the best slings for the money , I move this one to my rifle an shotgun , works great .http://www.midwayusa.com/product/847219/vero-vellini-high-climbing-backpack-double-sling-neoprene-forest-green?cm_vc=ProductFinding

old steel
2nd December 2014, 11:32 AM
Whoa mick, 70 petrodollars for a sling, that top of the line.

I bought a bunch of Blackhawk universal tactical 1.25" slings for around 7-8 on sale.

Almost have a sling for each firearm now.
http://www.blackhawk.com/getattachment/Products/Stocks-Long-Gun-Accessories/Long-Gun-Accessories/Tactical-Slings/Universal-Tactical-1-25-Sling/BH_70UT00BK_longgun_front.jpg.aspx?maxsidesize=700

crimethink
2nd December 2014, 03:29 PM
A lot of those inserts work on pump guns too. I'm mainly focusing on maximizing the versatility of my Remington 870.


Good choice! My wife's and kid's shotgun (I have a Mossberg 500 - I prefer the safety on top).




By the way, I've wanted to get a centerfire semi-auto but don't own one. I've been leaning towards a AK-47 variant or a Mini-14. The most important thing to me is reliability. Thoughts?

There are arguments both in favor & against for AKs, Minis, and ARs, of course. If perfect accuracy is not as important but high reliability is, the Mini is your best shot (LOL). Although, it's a grave mistake in design not to accept STANAG (standard AR) magazines. If bury-in-the-dirt-or-sand-and-it-still-fires reliability is your demand, the AK has no equal. But I prefer NATO ammunition choices, simply because it's ubiquitous in our habitat.

If ruggedness is not as important, or, you want a cheaper back-up rifle, consider:

http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/su-16c/rifle/

mick silver
2nd December 2014, 05:14 PM
old that a back pack sling .you can find them cheaper . didn't pay that for the one I have . they are nice if your in the woods an walking alot

old steel
2nd December 2014, 07:11 PM
old that a back pack sling .you can find them cheaper . didn't pay that for the one I have . they are nice if your in the woods an walking alot

Oh a sling is pretty much mandatory, firearms get heavy in a hurry if you are just carrying them in you hands, plus you hands are full and can't do anything else with 'em.

mick silver
3rd December 2014, 05:08 PM
here you go old steel , I know you want one http://i00.i.aliimg.com/img/pb/724/826/396/396826724_476.jpg

osoab
3rd December 2014, 05:32 PM
Why not go with one of these?

http://www.hallowellco.com/vierling.htm

https://i.imgur.com/n1PXY7X.jpg

http://www.safari-ukraina.com/articles/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/fanzoj-010.jpg

midnight rambler
3rd December 2014, 06:34 PM
As for the 'ultimate survival shotgun' I think I'll stick with what the marines use.

http://i52.tinypic.com/16aw279.jpg

old steel
21st December 2014, 11:50 PM
Yup M4 is the ultimate shotgun, you can have mine when you pry it from my cold dead hands.

Neuro
22nd December 2014, 04:55 AM
Does the inserts only work with single barrel shotguns? If so why is that?

Celtic Rogue
22nd December 2014, 05:09 AM
I really like this pump action bull-pup design by Keltec! Short in length and 14+1

http://soldiersystems.net/blog1/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/KSG-Bullpup-shotgun.jpg