NYPD Chokehold Cop Not Indicted in Death of Eric Garner Nick Gillespie|Dec. 3, 2014

[Cebu_4_2]

NYPD Chokehold Cop Not Indicted in Death of Eric Garner (http://reason.com/blog/2014/12/03/nypd-chokehold-cop-not-indicted-in-death) Nick Gillespie (http://reason.com/people/nick-gillespie/all)|Dec. 3, 2014 2:26 pm
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The New York Post reports on the grand jury investigating whether New York Police Department Office Daniel Pantaleo should be indicted in the July death of Eric Garner:


A Staten Island grand jury cleared an NYPD cop Wednesday in the chokehold death of Eric Garner during his caught-on-video arrest for peddling loose cigarettes, The Post has learned.
The panel voted a “no-bill” and dismissed all potential charges against Officer Daniel Pantaleo, sources said.
The blockbuster decision capped weeks of investigation by the special grand jury, which was empaneled in September specifically to review evidence in Garner’s racially charged death.
It was unclear exactly what charges prosecutors asked the grand jury to consider filing, or how the vote went.
More. (http://nypost.com/2014/12/03/cop-cleared-in-eric-garner-chokehold-death/)
Garner was being questioned about selling loose cigarettes ("loosies") in Staten Island.
Chokeholds such as the one seen in the image are prohibited in the NYPD's rule book (http://observer.com/2014/09/bratton-on-making-chokeholds-illegal-good-luck-but-i-wont-support-it/) but are not technically illegal. While police originally claimed that the 350-lb., 43-year-old Garner died of a heart attack during the altercation, a coroner ruled the death (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/eric-garner-death-ruled-homicide-medical-examiner-article-1.1888808) a homicide and said the chokehold and other police actions were the cause.
Here is cell phone footage of the incident:


http://youtu.be/j1ka4oKu1jo

http://youtu.be/j1ka4oKu1jo

[Serpo]

Cops are innocent of MURDER, they are above the law............


he says we must wait for all the facts to emerge......................except all we need is on the vid............

[BrewTech]

Coroner ruled the death a homicide, and the cop walks. Was the cop in fear for his life? No.

Doesn't matter. Public policy doesn't necessarily apply to the state-licensed dispensers of violence. I wouldn't say they are "above the law", because law doesn't exist anymore. If it did, we wouldn't have these problems (at least to the current extent).

[midnight rambler]

Coroner ruled the death a homicide, and the cop walks. Was the cop in fear for his life? No.

Doesn't matter. Public policy doesn't necessarily apply to the state-licensed dispensers of violence. I wouldn't say they are "above the law", because law doesn't exist anymore. If it did, we wouldn't have these problems (at least to the current extent).

There is the pretense of law.

What we got now it GHWB's vaunted 'rule of law' as opposed to the 'law of the jungle'. Confused yet?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc7i0wCFf8g

[SWRichmond]

"Chokeholds such as the one seen in the image are prohibited in the NYPD's rule book but are not technically illegal."

So neither, apparently, is killing a mundane illegal.

[mick silver]

so is Obama going to have the feds go after the cops

[SWRichmond]

Coroner ruled the death a homicide, and the cop walks. Was the cop in fear for his life? No.

Doesn't matter. Public policy doesn't necessarily apply to the state-licensed dispensers of violence. I wouldn't say they are "above the law", because law doesn't exist anymore. If it did, we wouldn't have these problems (at least to the current extent).

Government = state-sponsored violence.

[midnight rambler]

Government = state-sponsored violence.

The only way the state is able to continue existing is through the generous application of violence.

[SWRichmond]

The only way the state is able to continue existing is through the generous application of violence.

A very wise man once said "Be careful what you wish for". It is obvious that the state is becoming ever more violent. Is your statement an endorsement of the situation you describe?

[midnight rambler]

A very wise man once said "Be careful what you wish for". It is obvious that the state is becoming ever more violent. Is your statement an endorsement of the situation you describe?

The state = a bunch of shit-eating fucked up in the head collectivist Satan worshipers. Does that answer your question?

[EE_]

Funny how everyone says protesting is fine, just don't use violence, when all the government/law enforces do, is use violence.
Garner was stopped for selling loose cigarettes...big fucking deal! They didn't need to bum rush the guy with brute force.
Cops today are trained to harm you badly the second you don't submit.

New cop motto: "Submit now, or we'll kill you"

I hope the blacks burn New York tonight. Shit, I hope everyone burns New York tonight!

[SWRichmond]

Funny how everyone says protesting is fine, just don't use violence, when all the government/law enforces do, is use violence.
Garner was stopped for selling loose cigarettes...big fucking deal! They didn't need to bum rush the guy with brute force.
Cops today are trained to harm you badly the second you don't submit.

New cop motto: "Submit now, or we'll kill you"

I hope the blacks burn New York tonight. Shit, I hope everyone burns New York tonight!

When you can be killed with impunity, it is pointless to "protest" and "demonstrate". We are beyond those as a practical or even viable course of action. So be it.

[Cebu_4_2]

Funny how everyone says protesting is fine, just don't use violence, when all the government/law enforces do, is use violence.
Garner was stopped for selling loose cigarettes...big fucking deal!

In another article it stated that he was selling them and NOT collecting taxes.

[EE_]

In another article it stated that he was selling them and NOT collecting taxes.

Oh, that's different then! Forget everything I said before :)

[EE_]

When you can be killed with impunity, it is pointless to "protest" and "demonstrate". We are beyond those as a practical or even viable course of action. So be it.

I agree. One should only ask himself "what would the government do in this situation?"...and do that.

[midnight rambler]

I agree. One should only ask himself "what would the government do in this situation?"...and do that.

Just a reminder, the government is NOT the same as the state.

Don't you have a government within your own household governing your household?

[EE_]

Just a reminder, the government is NOT the same as the state.

Don't you have a government within your own household governing your household?

Yes, I govern my household, and if I did this shit to harm people without cause, I'd hope someone shoots me too.

I consider Fed and state all part of the same. The military equipment the state gets comes from the Fed's.
The Fed's, DHS, Fema, IRS, etc. is everywhere.

[midnight rambler]

I consider Fed and state all part of the same.

The Fed IS the state.

State of Texas = 'the (corporate) state'

Texas state = a nation/state of people

[crimethink]

I wouldn't say they are "above the law", because law doesn't exist anymore.

"If you refuse to pay unjust taxes, your property will be confiscated. If you attempt to defend your property, you will be arrested. If you resist arrest, you will be clubbed. If you defend yourself against clubbing, you will be shot dead. These procedures are known as the Rule of Law."

-- Edward Abbey

[crimethink]

I truly hope this case is not conflated with that of Mikey Brown. This case has nothing to do with Mikey Brown. This case is indefensible, since the only violence was that of the police. A Taser could have been used, instead of the relentless chokehold, not subsiding even when he said he couldn't breathe.

[Twisted Titan]

Funny how everyone says protesting is fine, just don't use violence, when all the government/law enforces do, is use violence.
Garner was stopped for selling loose cigarettes...big fucking deal! They didn't need to bum rush the guy with brute force.
Cops today are trained to harm you badly the second you don't submit.

New cop motto: "Submit now, or we'll kill you"

I hope the blacks burn New York tonight. Shit, I hope everyone burns New York tonight!



I was just having this argument today

Do you know why he was killed?

Because he was black!!

No because he was selling loosies.

Why is selling loosies illegal?

Because the gubbermint didnt get a piece of the action!!

It was a non taxable and non regulate event in the eyes of the state and the penalty was the goons showed up .


So others will try to make this a black white issue when the truth is the state murdered a man because he chose to sell his personal property

[midnight rambler]

Because the state didnt get a piece of the action!!

The ultimate sin.

[Cebu_4_2]

I am glad we can see through the bullshit instead of attacking each other over trivialities. The 'State' if out of fucking control (as we here all know).