Orion Spacecraft to test Van Allen Radiation Belt in 30 some minutes.

[EE_]

Just saw this on the news. Why do they need to test the Van Allen radiation belt? NASA has already sent manned crews through it with 1964 technology.

Hopefully, I can post the results...if Orion makes it?

http://science.nasa.gov/media/medialibrary/2013/02/28/splash.jpg/image_full

[Dogman]

Just saw this on the news. Why do they need to test the Van Allen radiation belt? NASA has already sent manned crews through it with 1964 technology.

Hopefully, I can post the results...if Orion makes it?

http://science.nasa.gov/media/medialibrary/2013/02/28/splash.jpg/image_full

Test the radiation shielding on the new crew capsule, no manned craft has flown through it since Apollo.

[EE_]

Test the radiation shielding on the new crew capsule, no manned craft has flown through it since Apollo.

Doesn't sound like anything has been through it yet?


this first test, ETF-1, Orion will be unmanned, blasting off on a Delta Heavy rocket from Cape Canaveral for an elliptical orbit of Earth that should see it power through the lower Van Allen radiation belt and hurtle back home at around 20,000 miles an hour.

This should allow mission control and project runners from manufacturer Lockheed Martin to assess various techs on the craft, including its mega-heat shield and how well it stands up to cosmic rays in space.

The shield will be subjected to temperatures of 4,000 degrees Fahrenheit coming through the atmosphere, a touch off the temperature it would hit on a return trip from the Moon, which is around 5,000 degrees, but still twice as hot as molten lava.

The boffins will also be hoping that they get a good read on how much current shielding can protect humans and sensitive electronics from the radiation outside the protection of our friendly neighbourhood cover of highly energetic charged particles, the lower Van Allen belt.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/12/04/orion_test_flight_fuelling_up/

[Dogman]

Done deal, doing splashing down in a few now.

[EE_]

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Test the radiation shielding on the new crew capsule, no manned craft has flown through it since the alleged Apollo was said to have.

The only things in this world I know for sure are...
1. The government has always lied to us and still does.
2. Just about everything you've ever seen on TV could be produced on a set, or by computer.
3. The human mind can easily be tricked.

[EE_]

Done deal, doing splashing down in a few now.

Don't they still have to see if everything got fried inside yet?

NASA report:
"Upon opening the capsule, what they found was not good"

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/24/44914986_c6205e09cb.jpg?v=0

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3324/3449109040_d2149ab6ab.jpg

Tissue samples
http://hms.harvard.edu/sites/default/files/assets/News/2010/September/damaged2.jpg

[crimethink]

Test the radiation shielding on the new crew capsule, no manned craft has flown through it since Apollo.

No manned craft has ever flown through them.

It's a matter of simple (high school-level) physics to understand these spacecraft cannot offer adequate shielding for human beings.

[BrewTech]

No manned craft has ever flown through them.

It's a matter of simple (high school-level) physics to understand these spacecraft cannot offer adequate shielding for human beings.

Why did no one tell Jean-Luc?

https://2ch.hk/fs/src/30232/14090817191780.jpg

:D

[mick silver]

did they get to the moon this time

[crimethink]

Why did no one tell Jean-Luc?

https://2ch.hk/fs/src/30232/14090817191780.jpg

:D

The Enterprise has shields:

http://ircamera.as.arizona.edu/NatSci102/NatSci102/images/strekshld1.jpg

[Cebu_4_2]

Don't they still have to see if everything got fried inside yet?
tissue samples
http://hms.harvard.edu/sites/default/files/assets/News/2010/September/damaged2.jpg

Whats this?

[Neuro]

The radiation shields of the Apollo missions shouldnt be too difficult to go beyond, the other option is that they were never tested in the van Allen belts...

[EE_]

NASA’s Orion completes historic flight, but why can’t man return to the Moon?
DECEMBER 8, 2014 BY 21WIRE 11 COMMENTS
21st Century Wire says…

When NASA unveiled its space shuttle program in the mid-1970′s, it was hailed as a major breakthrough in space travel, using a ‘reusable’ spacecraft to fly multiple mission and with a savings in the hundreds of millions per mission. And then the US government scrapped the space shuttle and replaces it with… Orion?

Nearly 50 year on from NASA’s first mission to the Moon, and not once – ever – has the space agency even mentioned a plan to return to our Earth’s closest celestial body. Why is that? Instead, govt space agencies and their private contractors are piling in with budgets and all but impossible plans to send manned missions to Mars instead. Rather conveniently (see Orion story below), space officials are constantly laying on caveats and announcing delays to actually launching the Mars mission, and one might think was because neither NASA nor its privatized counterpart actually have a viable theory as to how to get there, much less a working physical plan for completing that mission.

One of the main barriers that astronauts will face in mounting a deep space journey to the red planet is surviving passage through the Earth’s notorious Van Allen radiation belts.


The belts extends some 60,000 kilometers above the planet’s surface and is mostly formed from solar wind and other particles by cosmic rays. The belt is what actually helps protect the Earth from cosmic radiation and solar shock waves, and is held in place by the Earth’s magnetic fields.

It’s believed that human exposure to the belts’ intense radiation would be fatal, and would require a substantial, thick lead, or alternate radiation shield around any spacecraft making that journey with human’s on board. To date, NASA has never fully explained how its Apollo astronauts were able to make repeated journeys through the belt in its relatively primitive 1960′s space capsules. The agency maintains that its astronauts had ‘low exposure in the Van Allen belts due to the short period of time spent flying through it. The question here is compounded by the fact that the Apollo command modules were made of aluminum with a thin steel ‘honeycomb’ core.

Wikipedia states, “The astronauts’ overall exposure was dominated by solar particles once outside Earth’s magnetic field. The total radiation received by the astronauts varied from mission to mission but was measured to be between 0.16 and 1.14 rads (1.6 and 11.4 mGy), much less than the standard of 5 rem (50 mSv) per year set by the United States Atomic Energy Commission for people who work with radioactivity.

Any mission to Mars would require an extended journey through the Van Allen radiation belts, leaving much uncertainty about the crew’s chances of survival, as well as the excess weight required to sufficiently shield any manned exploration craft.

To date, neither Russia, China, India, Europe, or the United States – have ever hinted at stepping foot on the Moon again.
Why go to Mars when the Moon is so under-explored?

Orion is NASA’s Next Big Hope – For Mars Mission

The Switch

NASA entered a new era of space exploration on Friday when its Orion capsule splashed down in the Pacific Ocean after going farther from the planet than any spacecraft built for humans in more than 40 years.
The maiden test flight — made without astronauts aboard — is a step toward eventually getting astronauts to deep space: first to help snag an asteroid, and then, NASA hopes, to Mars. Orion lifted off from Cape Canaveral, Fla., at 7:05 a.m., a day after gusty wind and problems with several valves forced officials to cancel the mission.
But on Friday, the 4.5-hour mission appeared to go off flawlessly. “There’s your new spacecraft, America,” said Mission Control commentator Rob Navias shortly before Orion hit the water.
(…) In the post-flight press conference, Mark Geyer, NASA’s Orion program manager, said: ” It’s hard to have a better day than today.” And he described the Orion and the Delta IV as “nearly flawless.”
The images of Earth seen from such a great distance, he said, “reminded us here we are again now — the United States leading exploration out into the solar system.”


Since 1972, human flights have been restricted to the orbit level of the International Space Station. But Friday’s flight went 15 times as far.
NASA plans another test flight without astronauts in 2018. A crew is scheduled aboard Orion in about 2021.
Sometime in the 2020s, NASA plans to capture an asteroid with a robotic spacecraft, then drag it to the moon’s orbit where it would connect with the Orion. Astronauts would then be able to take samples from the asteroid.
“Just the idea of having a human around the moon interacting with an asteroid — that’s mind boggling,” NASA Administrator Charlie Bolden said Friday. “We are very confident we can do this.”
The big target, however, remains Mars, which NASA says astronauts could reach sometime in the 2030s.
But for all the excitement of Friday’s launch and talk of grand plans to go to Mars, NASA has been hampered by tight budgets and doesn’t have the funding for a mission to the red planet. Critics say that the Mars mission exists on paper only.
While the Orion was initially part of a program, called Constellation, designed to return to the moon, its mission changed after the Obama administration killed Constellation and made Mars the goal. Friday’s mission used the Delta IV. But future Orion missions would use the new Space Launch System rocket, or SLS, which is still being developed.
“The SLS remains a big question mark — both in terms of its development and funding, as well as political support,” wrote Marco Caceres, a senior space analyst with the Teal Group, in his newsletter. “Without the SLS, Orion is like a Cadillac without wheels.”
http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/12/08/nasas-orion-completes-historic-flight-ushers-in-new-era/

[mick silver]

cant get back to the moon but there talk about going to mars . now that's funny

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

We live on a prison planet. Nothing gets through that belt. Why do you think there are no studies of bacteria or bugs in deep space? Everything is fried by the belt. You'd need lead so thick that no rocket could carry it.

[Neuro]

cant get back to the moon but there talk about going to mars . now that's funny
Let's call it The Onion Spacecraft instead of Orion. ;D

[crimethink]

We live on a prison planet. Nothing gets through that belt. Why do you think there are no studies of bacteria or bugs in deep space? Everything is fried by the belt. You'd need lead so thick that no rocket could carry it.

I don't think of Earth as a "prison." Everything we need is right here. We are designed to live here, not in space.

Are we humans "prisoners" because we can't swim to the bottom of the Mariana Trench without a diving craft?

[Jerrylynnb]

Show me that flag! Only then will I dismiss these doubts about whether or not humans went past the radiation belt. Why hasn't anyone used these incredible modern cameras to go take really good pictures of that damn flag, allegedly left on the moon on a pole? Makes me suspicious, but, if they ever do that, then I'll not wonder about it anymore.

[crimethink]

Show me that flag! Only then will I dismiss these doubts about whether or not humans went past the radiation belt. Why hasn't anyone used these incredible modern cameras to go take really good pictures of that damn flag, allegedly left on the moon on a pole? Makes me suspicious, but, if they ever do that, then I'll not wonder about it anymore.

The flag could have been planted mechanically. Although it's much more likely it was done in a studio under the direction of Stanley Kubrick.

[Glass]

Show me that flag! Only then will I dismiss these doubts about whether or not humans went past the radiation belt. Why hasn't anyone used these incredible modern cameras to go take really good pictures of that damn flag, allegedly left on the moon on a pole? Makes me suspicious, but, if they ever do that, then I'll not wonder about it anymore.

Crowd fund a probe to fly to Tranquility Base and check it out for yourselves. The project should light up the internet. All the man on the moon doubters will back it and all the geeks will want to be a part of it too.

hey. how about a mission to bring the flag back?

[Glass]

Crowd fund a probe to fly to Tranquility Base and check it out for yourselves. The project should light up the internet. All the man on the moon doubters will back it and all the geeks will want to be a part of it too.

hey. how about a mission to bring the flag back?

But then we will need another mission to make sure the first mission actually happened and was not faked as well.

[Neuro]

But then we will need another mission to make sure the first mission actually happened and was not faked as well.
Great idea to crowd fund a fake moon probe mission! You could earn a lot!

I would chip in to test the van Allen belt radiation with Stephen Hawking as Guinnea pig...

[EE_]

Great idea to crowd fund a fake moon probe mission! You could earn a lot!

I would chip in to test the van Allen belt radiation with Stephen Hawking as Guinnea pig...

I second that motion to send Stephen Hawking into space.

http://courseweb.lis.illinois.edu/~wade7/Animation/hawkingspins.gif

[Neuro]

I second that motion to send Stephen Hawking into space.

http://courseweb.lis.illinois.edu/~wade7/Animation/hawkingspins.gif
Maybe I should apply for crowd funding of that mission! Could be a success. If someone can survive the Van Allen belts radiation, he would. If he is alive that is...

[sorryjoker]

yes you have a point...

[Twisted Titan]

Maybe we can send up a bunch of water bears?

[mick silver]

maybe we all could put in for some government money just to do nothing , fuck their people already getting that paper