Are we all inbred?

[expat4ever]

Was discussing some bible stuff with my friend last night and then it dawned on me. If it all started with Adam and Eve and they had 7 children, who did their children breed with?
Tried to do a search for it and got that they had 7 children and others say they have 50 something children. They lived till they were 930 so I guess either number makes sence. Either way, who did the children breed with?

[Cebu_4_2]

Great question for kids to ask their Sunday school teachers, no?

[crimethink]

Was discussing some bible stuff with my friend last night and then it dawned on me. If it all started with Adam and Eve and they had 7 children, who did their children breed with?
Tried to do a search for it and got that they had 7 children and others say they have 50 something children. They lived till they were 930 so I guess either number makes sence. Either way, who did the children breed with?

Incest is a taboo that is relevant only to protect from birth defects due to genetic load. For us today, the idea of "keeping it in the family" is disgusting, and this disgust is healthy genetically.

However, among a group where genetic load is not a concern, incest would be solely a psychological problem. Birth defects would be very low or non-existent from incestuous conceptions.

Hence, Adam & Eve's children and grandchildren did, indeed, "keep it in the family."

A more important question, however, is where did Cain get his wife? For those of us of the Adamic position, he took a bipedal beast of the field for a mate.

[singular_me]

it seems like it if one goes by the bible.... the NWO does indeed follow the rule... for example the queen and bush families are related.... anyone researching the rulers' bloodlines will find this out. Thats why they all are psychopaths.

it always is intriguing to hear believers defend amoral tales from religious textbooks. Incest is okay if you are a direct adamic descendant ???

I also find this obsession with virgins (in all religions) quite damaging to society and being the root cause of pedophilia and islamic fundamentalism's 72 virgins promised to any man dying for islam. Mary as 14 and Joseph pretty old man already.... Muhammad married a 9yo... for centuries, women have been ostracized in the West when losing their virginity without being married (no wonder why slutty behaviors is now the norm, polarities' manipulation)... patriarchy at work.... such flaws will bring down religions as a whole

[singular_me]

A more important question, however, is where did Cain get his wife? For those of us of the Adamic position, he took a bipedal beast of the field for a mate.

wow... are you serious.... and you deem africans and other primitive tribes as being beasts...

CT, I already have noticed many contradictions in your position, but this one clearly is the top one.

[EE_]

wow... are you serious.... and you deem africans and other primitive tribes as being beasts...

CT, I already have noticed many contradictions in your position, but this one clearly is the top one.

Miss singular, I have to say, I don't always agree with everything you say, but I do admire your moxy to put up with all the racial shit around here. I like that you don't back down, or let people see you take offense.
Stay in the fight girl. :)
xoxo,
EE

[crimethink]

it always is intriguing to hear believers defend amoral tales from religious textbooks. Incest is okay if you are a direct adamic descendant ???


You are an expert are removing phrases & concepts from context.



patriarchy at work.

Patriarchy? Oh, boy, we've got a "feminist" "womyn" here. :rolleyes:

[crimethink]

wow... are you serious.... and you deem africans and other primitive tribes as being beasts...

CT, I already have noticed many contradictions in your position, but this one clearly is the top one.

Huh? Were you unable to comprehend my simple English?

[crimethink]

all the racial shit around here

"Racial shit"? Sounds like something a Jew and/or race-mixer would say. :)

Care to elaborate on how any of what I say is untrue?

[singular_me]

CT, patriarchy and matriarchy models are both imbalanced...

look at history, women have been oppressed in ALL cultures and this is why feminism is working so well due centuries of data, NWO had seen it all along. LOL... the NWO is at least 150-200 years ahead.

there is NO model, conformism is the scourge of mankind.. Here is how it ends:

http://www.gifbin.com/bin/320sw0sw7847.gif



You are an expert are removing phrases & concepts from context.

Patriarchy? Oh, boy, we've got a "feminist" "womyn" here. :rolleyes:

[singular_me]

Huh? Were you unable to comprehend my simple English?


yeah I thought of having read too fast but had to rush out to go work... misunderstood... however it doesnt change much what I am saying.... I dont see any difference between mythologies and what you are saying -- Cain mating with a beast

what do you say about all religions being obsessed with virginity?

However this allegory is deeply misunderstood by followers but how to explain people that God birthed Itself? Bingo, lets throw a virgin into the mix...

[singular_me]

Miss singular, I have to say, I don't always agree with everything you say, but I do admire your moxy to put up with all the racial shit around here. I like that you don't back down, or let people see you take offense.
Stay in the fight girl. :)
xoxo,
EE

tnx, I quickly realized that I didnt want to be torn between black and white, and have developed a strong sense of the self. To be honest, I also dont think an intellectual can take sides, so I live in a no-man's land.

[expat4ever]

So I am guessing that Adam and Eve were both white? If so can someone explain how we get the other races on the planet?



In regards to Generic load. I had to look that one up.


Inbreeding increases genetic load in the short run, but actually decreases genetic load in the long run. Overall, inbreeding increases the rates of homozygosity. In the short run, this means that offspring are more likely to get two recessive and deleterious alleles, so they will have lower fitnesses and experience an inbreeding depression. The result is that you could begin to weed out deleterious alleles, some scientists have gone so far as to claim that if a population begins to decline because of higher mutation rates then getting the remaining organisms to breed with their relatives will help push out some of the more harmful mutations.[7] However, once the rate of the allele gets high enough the pairing frequency will get so high that it will start to weed out those alleles at a high rate since the organisms which get them will die before reproducing. This is referred to as a purging of the population as a result of inbreeding.[8] This kind of load is dependent on sexual reproduction, so isn’t present in asexually reproducing species.

[crimethink]

CT, patriarchy and matriarchy models are both imbalanced...


Your use of "patriarchy" earlier sure sounds like the "feminist" buzzword usage.




look at history, women have been oppressed in ALL cultures


Yup, I was right!

No, women have not been "oppressed" in "all" cultures. "Feminism" is what actually oppresses women (along with most "isms"). It tells them they should be men, rather than what God (or "Nature") designed them as and for.




Here is how it ends:

http://www.gifbin.com/bin/320sw0sw7847.gif

I agree with you here, but you forgot the flames at the bottom.

[crimethink]

Cain mating with a beast


Is it a personal thing that you don't like the idea?

For the sake of argument, consider the story of Cain true, that he was expelled from his family's settlement. Where did he find his mate?




what do you say about all religions being obsessed with virginity?

Christianity requires virginity of both males & females. Why shouldn't "two who shall become one" not be able to enjoy each other for the first time, together? Loose sex reduces the holiness of union to an animal level.

[crimethink]

So I am guessing that Adam and Eve were both white? If so can someone explain how we get the other races on the planet?


"Adam" is both a name and a descriptive word. It means to be ruddy, or, "show blood in the face." And, if Eve was "flesh of Adam's flesh," she was the same race.

As for the generation of the other races & humanoids, there are three basic "explanations":

1) mutations caused the original to evolve into widely different types;
2) Noah's sons and/or daughters-in-law were different races;
3) God created the basic types separately.

We know that mutations can cause something akin to Mongoloid traits - indeed, Down's Syndrome used to be known as "Mongolism," since those afflicted had flattish faces, and even slitty eyes. We do not have, however, any known mechanism for Caucasoids becoming Negroids, though.

The second option is purely speculation, and, actually derives from the Talmud. The "Ham was Black" meme is purely Talmudic, and entered Christendom from that superstition that Ham was "punished" by having his race changed for seeing Noah's nakedness.

The third option makes the most sense, if one can overcome the monstrous psycho-political barrier of "all the races are equal" or "the same." One must explain away the existence of bipedal "Beasts of the Field" who wear clothing, are able to speak, and are able to successfully breed with sons of Adam, if one wishes to deny the "Pre-Adamite" theory.

The pre-Columbian natives of the Americas were a bi-racial, and, in very limited cases, tri-racial composite, varying depending upon locale. Pre-Columbian native North Americans were mostly Mongoloid to mostly Caucasoid. There was some Negroid influence in pockets of Central and Northeast South America, apparently from wayward Negroids who crossed the Atlantic. Some North Americans were nearly-European in appearance, as told by many accounts. Some very ancient North Americans were White, like Kennewick Man and the Si-te-cah of Nevada.




In regards to Generic load. I had to look that one up.

Yes, in short, it means the more expressed or latent mutations a breeding population has, the higher the likelihood incestuous conceptions will result in defects manifesting themselves.

[aeondaze]

what do you say about all religions being obsessed with virginity?

Its not just religions that are obsessed with virginity, many cultures are concerned with virginity. On that note, I prefer the term 'concerned' rather than your feminist laden NEGATIVE usage of the word obsessed, you use that term like men shouldn't be concerned with their partners virginity. Besides even nature is concerned with virginity.

Why did the human female evolve a hymen? Just for hygiene?

I don't think so, this was selected for over hundreds of thousands if not millions of years.

The truth is the male of our species was concerned with virginity because of issues of paternity.

No man wants to be cuckold! FACT. Sure some are willing to raise another mans child, but that is by choice. Very few would be willing to unwittingly.


In evolutionary biology, the term cuckold is also applied to males who are unwittingly investing parental effort in in offspring that are not genetically their own.

I can't stand the way you automatically assume that because a man is concerned with his partners virginity then by your thinking he is an obsessed controlling patriarchal stiff backed brute.

Your virginity IS our business, regardless of what you might think!

This is why so many men can't stand woman these days, you are a classic example.

[singular_me]

Aeon and CT, you pat each other on the back while you are fundamentally different. Interesting.

am I NOT a feminist... as I am writing about the metaphysics of the Sexed Universe, I think I have a good grasp of what male and female union entails. The concepts I embrace are those unifying sciences and spirituality, hence I often find myself at odds with people standing on each sides of the fence while I am sitting **ON** the fence. I am used to being labeled and couldnt careless, really.

virginity has a meme theme in all religions, especially the "virgin birth"... which is too a recurrent theme in many myths.


Why did the human female evolve a hymen? Just for hygiene?
Hymen does simply exist to protect the uterus until a certain age, until menstruation appears.

Virginity in religion means something very, very different as it refers to God's neutral principle (It) becoming female and male. God birthing Itself into existence. Thats why Mary didnt need any sperm to become pregnant... so yes, virginity is an obsession in many religions therefore and an important social criteria - while most people do NOT grasp the real meaning of the story. This lack of understanding has harmed women for centuries in all cultures... fact...

so if we cant agree on the subject matter being discussed, let alone about the rest.

aeon you are sooo simplistic in anything you say. you are 100% predictable :)


In evolutionary biology, the term cuckold is also applied to males who are unwittingly investing parental effort in in offspring that are not genetically their own.

on a higher level, the NWO is too obsessed with genetics... and if Cain did mate with a beast (adamic mythology), it may mean a large amount of population today have beast-genes :) :)... here is the black gene explanation. LOLOLOL

yeah keep patting each other on the back. Definitely interesting to see how you are both united when it comes down to defend your (very fundamentally different) doctrines. Case proven: doctrines make people irrational.... or wait: do they all have something in common?

You both have seem to have fallen for the male victimhood syndrome, NWO is working just fine.