Who killed Jesus?

[iOWNme]

Statists. Thats who.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4QOEuYIAAIOPJH.jpg:large

[Shami-Amourae]

Your religion:
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[iOWNme]

Your religion:
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131223063039/glee/images/1/1e/Fedora.jpg


Your programmed response tells me you took this personal. The only way you would take this personal is if this offended you. And the only way this would offend you is if you are a STATIST. Which we both know you are.

Instead of getting mad at me because you recognize you are a statist, why not address those pesky contradictions that your position (statism) rests on?

Shami - What in this picture is untrue?

[midnight rambler]

Hey Sui Juris, I'm unclear as to whether you've jettisoned all those state issued ID documents...what exactly is your current status?? Do you still rely on state issued ID documents to establish who you are?? Kindly advise.

[Shami-Amourae]

And the only way this would offend you is if you are a STATIST.
I believe you will become one too eventually. Most of the Nationalists I know are former AnCaps. They switch when they finally figure out and admit to themselves and their peers that not everyone is equal, and you can't have a free society without it being homogenous first. Darkies want their Statism. The free market isn't a mechanism for freeing stupid people. It's a way to kill parasites.

If you listen to Stefan Molyneux recently he's been more and more racially awake (http://www.dailystormer.com/stefan-molyneux-brilliantly-breaks-down-ebola-crisis-africa-and-white-guilt/). He even sides with closed borders to non-Whites since he realizes they bring in Statism/Authoritarians because they survive with the gimmie dat method. I believe Molyneux will become a Nationalist in the next 5 years, and you will most likely too since it's the only way we can achieve any form of freedom with what is coming.

Anarchist realizes borders are important to protect us from Darkies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG9eezhU2fI


The podcast I love to listen to (http://therightstuff.biz/) is literally all ex-AnCaps who woke up to what I did. You're not at the end. You still have a way to go. Anarchism/Libertarianism only can work in a homogeneous White environment. Also the White race is literally being targeted for extinction so you will never be able to enjoy a Anarchist Utopia without first dealing with the race issue.



Shami - What in this picture is untrue?

I honestly don't think Jesus existed to begin with. I think he was an invention of the Roman government to keep the slave population in check and submissive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi-UBKN2YD8

[mick silver]

http://www.dailystormer.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Selection_2081-270x200.png (http://www.dailystormer.com/twas-the-night-before-race-war-a-lighthearted-poem-for-ferguson-negroes/)

[singular_me]

Jesus didnt die on the cross... as a successful political/spirtual guide, he ended up fleeing to India most likely OR europe. He was not the son of God, just a very enlightened man.

but back then they didnt have any fast communication means, so making up a story was easier... OOOPS... I digress "they" are still at it today... the PTBs have an history of lying up to their teeth.

the illuminati bloodline claims to be descendents of Jesus

the crucifixion and resurrection tales appears in so many myths that it makes it hard to believe.

allegorically selfisness killed jesus, lack of compassion and empathy... it is going to catch up with us at some point.

but I can see the point in saying "the state".

[StreetsOfGold]

You may have established the WHO but did not touch on the MOTIVE (more important) imo

Matthew 27:18 For he knew that for envy they had delivered him.
Mark 15:10 For he knew that the chief priests had delivered him for envy.

[StreetsOfGold]

Jesus didnt die... as a successful political/spirtual guide, he ended up fleeing to India most likely OR europe. He was not the son of God, just a very enlightened man. .

Jesus Christ NEVER needed to FLEE EVER!!
When approached he GAVE HIMSELF UP!!
John 18:7 Then asked he them again, Whom seek ye? And they said, Jesus of Nazareth.
John 18:8 Jesus answered, I have told you that I am he: if therefore ye seek me, let these go their way:


Also,

The KEY eye witnesses SAID HE WAS THE SON OF GOD
So WHO are you? Were YOU THERE????
They WERE!!

Matthew 27:54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.


singular_me = Liar and deceiver
God's word = TRUTH!

Psalms 119:160 Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.

[Serpo]

The Crucifixion Was A Fraud
from Humanists (http://humanists.net) Website
recovered through WayBackMachine (http://www.archive.org/web/web.php) Website
Spanish version (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biblianazar/esp_biblianazar_69.htm)


Billions of Christians believe Christ was crucified, buried, and then rose again.

This is the basis for Christian faith. What if Jesus survived the crucifixion? Would this be pure blasphemy or is there reason behind this assumption? There is evidence in the gospels themselves that say Christ may have survived the crucifixion and that the crucifixion to put it bluntly was a "fraud."

Writer and researcher Michael Baigent, author of Holy Blood-Holy Grail (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/holyblood_holygrail.pdf), and other scholars believe that the gospels are suspect to the theory of the survival of Christ. He says his theories are not intended to offend, but one must keep a clear http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_biblianazar/biblianazar20_02.jpg (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/holyblood_holygrail.pdf)distinction between the Jesus of history and the Jesus of theology even though the Jesus of theology is based on the historical Jesus.

One can only find the figure of the Jesus of history by teasing out of various historical documents, some which are the New Testament.

In the theory of the survival of Jesus, there are a number of clues which help support it, but there are two major clues that are the strongest.



The first is in the crucifixion itself. When a person was crucified they did not die quickly, but rather a slow painful, morbid death which would have taken two to three days, possibly even a week. Jesus supposedly died within two to three hours.

Joseph of Arimethea went to Pilot and asked to have the body of Jesus, which was contrary to Roman law anyway, and when Pilot heard that Jesus was already dead, he was so surprised to hear that Jesus had died so quickly that he sent a centurion to check.


The second oddity is that the crucifixion took place in what seemed to be a private garden and tomb owned by Joseph of Arimethea. The importance of this observation is that if there was any fraudulence associated with the crucifixion, then the public could be kept away in a private garden and Jesus could be privately taken away, revived, tendered and ministered to.

If Jesus did not die on the cross he would have been forced to flee the Holy Land.

If authorities discovered Jesus was still alive, he would have been punished again. So where would he have gone? There is a story of Christ's life after the crucifixion.

That the blood relatives of Jesus may still live among us!

Rennes le Château (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/merovingians/merovingios_renneschateau.htm) is at the foot of the Peraniese Mountains in the South of France. This small town is at the center of a religious and historical cyclone. The story begins with a young Parish priest by the name of Bérenger Saunière.

Bérenger Saunière was first assigned to Rennes le Château in 1885 at the age of 33. He started renovations of the church and found a suspicious hallow piece in the altar when taking it apart. Within the hallow piece he found four parchments, which started the mystery.

Two of the parchments were written in code which he could not decipher.

Saunière took the parchments to Paris to seek help from experts in military code and ciphers. It is believed that he found the key to unlocking the mystery of the documents. It is also believed that someone gave Saunière money to find out what information was obtained in the parchments or perhaps to keep the secrets of Rennes le Château from becoming public.

When Bérenger Saunière went home he started a full renovation of the church. He found new details within the church's artwork that he thought to be clues to the information contained in the parchments.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/merovingians/images2/renneschateau03_163_small.jpg (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/merovingians/images2/renneschateau03_163.jpg)
Is it possible that the coded documents revealed to Bérenger Saunière that Christ had survived the crucifixion? In a depiction of stage fourteen of the cross (click image right), which is normally the body of Christ being carried to the tomb, Saunière showed the moon as already risen, thus Passover had already begun.

No Jew would handle a dead body after the beginning of Passover.

Either Saunière was showing that:



The body is not dead

They were taking the body out of the tomb and not in

After renovating the church, Saunière still had some money left over, so he continued in Rennes le Château (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/merovingians/merovingios_renneschateau.htm) and built a house, garden, and a tower which he named after Mary Magdala (Magdalene).

The figure of Mary Magdala may prove key to historical legends that Mary Magdala traveled to the South of France, in addition some scholars believe she may have been the wife of Jesus.

A number of documents spoke of relationships between Mary Magdala and Jesus which could only be described as close. For example, it was witnessed that Jesus kissed her often on the lips to the point where the other disciples complained, perhaps they felt jealous. Jesus was a religious teacher. It was very unusual for a Jewish religious teacher to be unmarried, in fact a commandment of God was to be fruitful and multiply.

The question arose, what could possibly be so important about this relationship that would cause such a mystery?

Michael Baigent believes two stories converge here.

Could the Holy Grail, the illusive treasure of legend and myth be the key to unlocking this mystery? It would seem unrelated to Jesus and Mary but may be the most important clue of all. The Holy Grail was thought of as the chalice Christ drank from at the Last Supper, and which may of held his blood after the crucifixion.

Could the Holy Grail have another meaning? A meaning hidden in the French words for Holy Grail:


SAN GREAL = Holy Grail, if broken differently to

SANG REAL = Blood Royal, the royal blood line
During research historical proof was found that the line of David, Jesus' blood line, existed in Europe during Medieval Times.

According to Bérenger Saunière when the knight finds the Grail, he does not find the golden chalice, but proof that Jesus survived the crucifixion.

In 1917 when Saunière was dying, he called for a priest to hear his confessions. When the priest did, he fled from the room in shock, never smiling again. Perhaps Saunière imparted in him a secret, a secret that has been suppressed for 2,000 years.

A secret that Jesus had survived the crucifixion. A secret that Jesus had a relationship with Mary Magdala, a relationship which produced children. And that these children made their way to France, where the bloodline of Christ, the bloodline of the royal line of David, continued and in fact continues today.

Your looking at the difference between the Jesus of theology and the Jesus of history.

The Jesus of theology is a God, the Jesus of history is a man like all other men.

"We are trying to regain the Jesus of history, to find Jesus the man who walked, loved, and taught in Judah in the 1st Century A.D." http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biblianazar/esp_biblianazar_20.htm

[7th trump]

Statists. Thats who.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4QOEuYIAAIOPJH.jpg:large

Now that's hilarious.
Bravo Sui...bravo!
And in three days He resurrected.
It was all prophesized 1000 years before it happened.
In Genesis you'll see it was prophesized then. Christ would crush his head....and satan would bruise His heal.
Satan is being destroyed (no longer existing.....thrown into the firey pit and forgotten forever) his head crushed (as in perishing).....Christ was crucified on the cross with nails pounded through his heals. Christ was merely bruised as He came back to life three days later.


BTW, your a statist because you write your government issued ssn on government issued forms and use a government drivers license.

Go back to the cave you came from Sui!

[iOWNme]

Hey Sui Juris, I'm unclear as to whether you've jettisoned all those state issued ID documents...what exactly is your current status?? Do you still rely on state issued ID documents to establish who you are?? Kindly advise.

Where did you find this information?

Have you been looking through the scribbles of 'politicians' again? Why do you IMAGINE their scribbles to be 'Law'? Why do you legitimize your own oppressor? Do you have Stockholm syndrome? LOL

Ive answered your questions a hundred times. Im realizing I may have mistaken you for someone with a shred of intelligence. But it appears you may be just a simple minded robot who repeats what the 'Founders' told him to. You dont seem to be able to even grasp the concept of using principles to figure out the right and wrong. If you did you wouldnt keep using the same tactic that only strengthens my position. You argue against Voluntaryism (The thing you personally live by LOL!), yet you cant seem to be able to intellectually discredit the principle of my position? Ive only asked you a hundred times in return, but all i get are more euphemisms and nationalist/patriotic ferver which can NEVER be based on morality.

Your position is that i am agreeing to what they do, Yet if we take the principle of this position and try to apply it ANYWHERE ELSE using just 'individuals' and not 'Government' you actually disagree with yourself. A girl being raped is a perfect example, as Ive illustrated to you before with no rebut possible on your end, just a changing of the subject.

So in short, Stop contradicting yourself. Stop disagreeing with yourself. You literally enforce my position every post you make: Statism makes good people actually advocate for and condone things they do not agree with. LOL

[iOWNme]

Now that's hilarious.
Bravo Sui...bravo!
And in three days He resurrected.
It was all prophesized 1000 years before it happened.
In Genesis you'll see it was prophesized then. Christ would crush his head....and satan would bruise His heal.
Satan is being destroyed (no longer existing.....thrown into the firey pit and forgotten forever) his head crushed (as in perishing).....Christ was crucified on the cross with nails pounded through his heals. Christ was merely bruised as He came back to life three days later.


BTW, your a statist because you write your government issued ssn on government issued forms and use a government drivers license.

Go back to the cave you came from Sui!

Im curious, do you know what a moral principle is?

[midnight rambler]

Ive answered your questions a hundred times.

lol In your imagination perhaps.

A simple "I do not rely on state issued ID documents to establish who I am, I have eliminated those from my life" OR "I do indeed carry/rely on state issued ID documents to establish my identity" will suffice. How come you're unwilling to give a DIRECT answer to this very simple inquiry??

Is it because the truth is you're a bloviating hypocrite who somehow derives (whatever) by browbeating others you really know nothing of as to how they are 'statists' in your view??

[crimethink]

Statists. Thats who.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4QOEuYIAAIOPJH.jpg:large

You believe Jesus Christ is a myth, so in your perception, no one killed Jesus.

But, the record is clear, the Jews demanded His death. And the Jews of the time accepted their responsibility.

[crimethink]

Shami - What in this picture is untrue?

The civil governor, Pontius Pilate, stated clearly he found no fault in Christ. Christ's "crimes" were not against the Roman State, but against Satan's chosen people, the Jews.

"Statism" is yet another meaningless buzzword "ism" intended to divert the Goyim away from the real root of our world's problems.

[Hitch]

Jesus didnt die... as a successful political/spirtual guide, he ended up fleeing to India most likely OR europe. .

There's Jesus and then there's Jesus. The Jesus you are referring too, currently resides in Los Angeles.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6z0Zay9itk

[crimethink]

The Crucifixion Was A Fraud....from Humanists Website

Oh, gee, the same morons that bring us "diversity is our strength." :rolleyes:

Christ Denial is a popular sport today. But I'd bet these "humanists" wouldn't dare "deny" the Six Million™ and the Gas Chambers™. In fact, most of them probably claim they're "survivors."

Whipping boy of the world #1: Jesus Christ

Whipping boy of the world #2: Adolf Hitler

And for the same reason!

[singular_me]

LOL... good movie, I saw it when it came out... jeff bridge is a fav of mine :)




There's Jesus and then there's Jesus. The Jesus you are referring too, currently resides in Los Angeles.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6z0Zay9itk

[midnight rambler]

LOL... good movie, I saw it when it came out... jeff bridge is a fav of mine :)

Condensed version of the movie -


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf7frtuyF14

[iOWNme]

lol In your imagination perhaps.

A simple "I do not rely on state issued ID documents to establish who I am, I have eliminated those from my life" OR "I do indeed carry/rely on state issued ID documents to establish my identity" will suffice. How come you're unwilling to give a DIRECT answer to this very simple inquiry??

Is it because the truth is you're a bloviating hypocrite who somehow derives (whatever) by browbeating others you really know nothing of as to how they are 'statists' in your view??

Ive answered this question many times publicly. Ive answerd it via PM to you personally. Yet, ive asked you hundreds of questions with no answers? Ive asked you to debate me live many times, with no reply. You claim i 'browbeat' others, yet you troll all of my threads with meaningless dribble that never have any principled position behind them. And when i question your contradictions and principles, you claim i am 'browbeating' you. LOL


Does a rape victim use her bruises and cuts to 'establish her sexuality'? Once again, you couldnt answer any of the questions i asked you for it uncovers contradictions in your position.

Again, i take YOUR PRINCIPLE and try and apply it ANYWHERE else outside of 'Government' and it crumbles into dust.......What does that tell you? It means you have a belief system that you dont even believe. LOL

Face it Midnight, you literally dont comprehend my position.


Me: 2+2 = 4
You: 2+2 = Pizza

Me: The sky is blue
You: The sky is a pig


Keep on looking through those scribbles of the people you claim to be illegitimate, while you legitimize them by pointing to their scribbles as 'Gospel'. Another GIANT contradiction. LOL

Am i a hypocrite? Maybe. Is the rape victim a 'hypocrite' if she claims she doesnt like rape but then decides not to fight back in order to stay alive during her attack? Notice how i took your principle and tried to apply it to another situation and it fell flat on its face? Notice how you disagree with yourself? Why do you do that?

Nationalism, Patriotism and Statism have warped your perception of reality to where you dont even agree with yourself.

How about we debate this live in real time? Maybe we can get to the core principles of both of our positions to see if there are any contradictions we can remove?

[singular_me]

the bible that took 400 years to be written under the oversight of the PTBs... a genuine record ???
the same PTBs you are after today ... LOL

do you/we really need ritual murder and drink blood and eat flesh of christ to believe in a message of Love (empathy, compassion, etc) ???

when I heard this the very first time, at 7y of age, I told myself: no, nobody has to die for me, I havent done anything wrong. And today, I still think same, as I take responsibility for my actions.

the bible is filled with awesome allegories that scholars and followers themselves cannot understand or whose interpretations are subject to endless debates... so let alone such a doctrine bringing about peace.

religions are taught around 6-7 years of age because that when kids begin to have real questions about death that generally frightens them and make them very fragile... best moment ever for whatever induced mind control....



You believe Jesus Christ is a myth, so in your perception, no one killed Jesus.

But, the record is clear, the Jews demanded His death. And the Jews of the time accepted their responsibility.

[singular_me]

forgot to add... the state murdered jesus incarnating Love (empathy, compassion,etc) because it is its prime adversary, direct threat, as the state needs its citizens' selfishness to justifies its existence

the people asked the state to murder jesus because they are state brainwashed.

perfect nefarious symbiosis





allegorically selfisness killed jesus, lack of compassion and empathy... it is going to catch up with us at some point.

but I can see the point in saying "the state".

[7th trump]

forgot to add... the state murdered jesus incarnating Love (empathy, compassion,etc) because it is its prime adversary, direct threat, as the state needs its citizens' selfishness to justifies its existence

the people asked the state to murder jesus because they are state brainwashed.

perfect nefarious symbiosis

Bull crap singular.
The people did not ask the state to crucify Christ....Pontius Pilate (representative of the roman people) didn't find Jesus guilty of anything.
The state found Christ innocent....not guilty of any wrong doings (and that blows iownme statist bullshit completely out of the water)
It was the religious sect that ordered the crucifixion of Christ because Christ was proving these religious screwballs were liars and thieves. It was one person who ordered Christ's death and he was on the side of satan deceiving multitudes.

State brainwash my ass singular.
It was a religious brainwashing....not state.
Go back and reread those passages and read them slowly and carefully to absorb the details.

[Neuro]

He died on the cross to cleanse us from our sins...


Doesn't that mean all sinners are guilty of killing Christ?

[7th trump]

Ive answered this question many times publicly. Ive answerd it via PM to you personally. Yet, ive asked you hundreds of questions with no answers? Ive asked you to debate me live many times, with no reply. You claim i 'browbeat' others, yet you troll all of my threads with meaningless dribble that never have any principled position behind them. And when i question your contradictions and principles, you claim i am 'browbeating' you. LOL


Does a rape victim use her bruises and cuts to 'establish her sexuality'? Once again, you couldnt answer any of the questions i asked you for it uncovers contradictions in your position.

Again, i take YOUR PRINCIPLE and try and apply it ANYWHERE else outside of 'Government' and it crumbles into dust.......What does that tell you? It means you have a belief system that you dont even believe. LOL

Face it Midnight, you literally dont comprehend my position.


Me: 2+2 = 4
You: 2+2 = Pizza

Me: The sky is blue
You: The sky is a pig


Keep on looking through those scribbles of the people you claim to be illegitimate, while you legitimize them by pointing to their scribbles as 'Gospel'. Another GIANT contradiction. LOL

Am i a hypocrite? Maybe. Is the rape victim a 'hypocrite' if she claims she doesnt like rape but then decides not to fight back in order to stay alive during her attack? Notice how i took your principle and tried to apply it to another situation and it fell flat on its face? Notice how you disagree with yourself? Why do you do that?

Nationalism, Patriotism and Statism have warped your perception of reality to where you dont even agree with yourself.

How about we debate this live in real time? Maybe we can get to the core principles of both of our positions to see if there are any contradictions we can remove?

Wow....your so infected with illogic it makes me wonder if you are sane or insane.

Trying to determine "hypocrisy" if a rape victim decides not to fight back in order to remain alive....is along the order of saying Jeffrey Dahmers is a world class chef.

[7th trump]

He died on the cross to cleanse us from our sins...


Doesn't that mean all sinners are guilty of killing Christ?

No...the fight is between, and always has been between Christ and satan. Satan in the revolt wanted to be Christ (he wanted to sit in the Mercy seat....and only Christ has that position)...so lucifer (also known as satan) revolted taking 1/3 of the God creation with him.
It was satan who really crucified Christ. It was satan's minion (the fake chosen) who ordered Pilate to crucify Christ. Pilate wiped his hands clean of any guilt and put it straight on the fake riding the donkey. It was between the church and Christ....not the state and Christ.....as many here have it wrong...but then again they have agenda's and wouldn't get it right anyway.

It means your only salvation from sin is having to go through Christ to wipe your transgressions clean.
Get it now?
You only way to salvation is through Christ....meaning you're gonna have to bow to Christ to attain ever lasting life.....or bow to satan and lose it.

[singular_me]

a pertinent question exposing a major contradiction in christianity, and those choosing barabas as scapegoats.


He died on the cross to cleanse us from our sins..
Doesn't that mean all sinners are guilty of killing Christ?

expecting salvation through christ is lack of self-responsibility. waiting for a divine intervention to fix everything. Same pattern with new age as it expects salvation from "divine positive thinking".

[singular_me]

Is the rape victim a 'hypocrite' if she claims she doesnt like rape but then decides not to fight back in order to stay alive during her attack?

this is how the state works, thrusting itself upon the masses which say nothing because they aware of the risks to fight back - and lose everything in the process and perhaps jail/death.

[7th trump]

a pertinent question exposing a major contradiction in christianity, and those choosing barabas as scapegoats.



expecting salvation through christ is lack of self-responsibility. waiting for a divine intervention to fix everything. Same pattern with new age as it expects salvation from "divine positive thinking".

Talking about new age...your post is exactly that...new age.
Imagine that.......... coming from someone who doesn't even believe in the Bible.

[old steel]

The jews were totally behind the torture and murder of Jesus but they didn't have the balls to actually do the physical part so they had the Romans do it for them.

It's time for some real payback i'd say.

[singular_me]

yeah, I know anything that doesnt come straight out of the bible is new age whatsoever.

I am fine with God within (much less conflicting than monotheism teaching separatedness from God/The Whole) - hence do not believe in any magical/divine positive thinking/savior, which is why I am a pantheist :)



Talking about new age...your post is exactly that...new age.
Imagine that.......... coming from someone who doesn't even believe in the Bible.

[Serpo]

Who killed Jesus?...............final answer.............GOD

[mick silver]

http://i1.wp.com/therightstuff.biz/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/church.jpgFuck you, don’t go to THIS church.http://therightstuff.biz/2013/12/30/first-church-of-the-dildocracy/#more-7073

[iOWNme]

You believe Jesus Christ is a myth, so in your perception, no one killed Jesus.

I do? Really? LOL Where have i said this?




But, the record is clear, the Jews demanded His death. And the Jews of the time accepted their responsibility.

No matter what the 'Jews' 'demanded' it was the statist who followed the orders. Just like the picture says. No why on earth would people blindly 'follow orders' that are blatantly immoral and unjust? Could it be because they were taught that obedience to 'Authority' (Like the Bible says) is virtuous?

[iOWNme]

Wow....your so infected with illogic it makes me wonder if you are sane or insane.

Trying to determine "hypocrisy" if a rape victim decides not to fight back in order to remain alive....is along the order of saying Jeffrey Dahmers is a world class chef.


Do you IMAGINE you can just claim im 'illogical' without actually rebutting me, or showing where my logic was flawed?

Im starting to realize you arent smart enough to even discuss these concepts, let alone comprehend them. Its not that you disagree with me, its that you dont even understand. Im going to have to break this down to the level of a 6yr old because that seems to be your main programming template.

1. If a girl says "Rape is wrong" and then decides to let her attacker rape her in order to stay alive, would you call her a 'hypocrite'?

2. If i say "Government is immoral" and then i decide to let them force themselves on me (DL, SS, etc) in order to stay alive, would you call me a 'hypocrite'?


These 2 scenarios are the exact same IN PRINCIPLE. Lets see if you can waddle through all of the contradictory positions inside your own head in order to try and answer these 2 questions.

[crimethink]

He died on the cross to cleanse us from our sins...


Doesn't that mean all sinners are guilty of killing Christ?

Everyone is guilty of needing a Savior. However, this does not negate the reality that the Jews demanded His blood above all. Judeo-"Christianity" has attempted to peddle the "we all killed Christ" line to diminish or remove the plain guilt on the Jews for demanding His execution.

[crimethink]

expecting salvation through christ is lack of self-responsibility.

You think you are a god.

[crimethink]

I do? Really? LOL Where have i said this?


You believe Jesus Christ existed and was who He said He was? Yes or no?




No matter what the 'Jews' 'demanded' it was the statist who followed the orders. Just like the picture says. No why on earth would people blindly 'follow orders' that are blatantly immoral and unjust? Could it be because they were taught that obedience to 'Authority' (Like the Bible says) is virtuous?

Roman state or not, Christ was going to die, because the Jews wanted it. By "voluntaryist" mob action if the Romans wouldn't do it. Pilate ordered it to keep the peace. Had he not, a "voluntaryist" and anarchist lynching was coming, with likely far more deaths than just Jesus Himself.

[7th trump]

Do you IMAGINE you can just claim im 'illogical' without actually rebutting me, or showing where my logic was flawed?

Im starting to realize you arent smart enough to even discuss these concepts, let alone comprehend them. Its not that you disagree with me, its that you dont even understand. Im going to have to break this down to the level of a 6yr old because that seems to be your main programming template.

1. If a girl says "Rape is wrong" and then decides to let her attacker rape her in order to stay alive, would you call her a 'hypocrite'?

2. If i say "Government is immoral" and then i decide to let them force themselves on me (DL, SS, etc) in order to stay alive, would you call me a 'hypocrite'?


These 2 scenarios are the exact same IN PRINCIPLE. Lets see if you can waddle through all of the contradictory positions inside your own head in order to try and answer these 2 questions.

Still gonna try and shove square pegs in round holes huh?

The difference between your two scenarios are ...
1. You using the ssn is a voluntary action (consent) by you and you only. It is illegal for anyone to use anothers ssn without them knowing it. The only way, legally, for another to use a ssn is to give executive power to that person. And its not the government forcing you to use the ssn. The government doesn't force the use of the ssn. The government has ever held a gun to anyone telling them to use their ssn....ever!
That's your ignorance showing again.

2. Rape isn't voluntary.

So no, the principles aren't the same....you may try and get me to think they are the same, but I'm way more intelligent than that.

Please tell us how the two (voluntary and involuntary) are principally the same?

[singular_me]

thats also an extremely pertinent answer


Who killed Jesus?...............final answer.............GOD

[singular_me]

LOL and you told a while back that only the only adamic race is at the image of God and could read His mind?

and then now this:

You think you are a god.

one day, you will have to deal with the fact that your ancestors approved jewish slave traders. In short take responsibility.

posting#32
I am fine with God within.... do not believe in any magical/divine positive thinking/savior, which is why I am a pantheist

[old steel]

Poor Jesus, poor John Lennon....

[Norweger]

"And say not of those who are slain in the way of Allah: 'They are dead.' Nay, they are living, though ye perceive (it) not. (The Noble Quran, 2:154)"

[Neuro]

Everyone is guilty of needing a Savior. However, this does not negate the reality that the Jews demanded His blood above all. Judeo-"Christianity" has attempted to peddle the "we all killed Christ" line to diminish or remove the plain guilt on the Jews for demanding His execution.
Sure, certainly no-one who is a sinner today are guilty of killing Christ from a legal sense. Neither are the descendants of the Jews that ordered His execution, which is a minority of those that claim to be jews. But you are a beneficiary to His murder in that your sins are forgiven by his crucifixion and death, while those who reject Him aren't...

[singular_me]

ultimately, ritual murders/sacrifices are pagan in essence. Metaphoric or not. Just like cannibalism, eating flesh and drinking blood . ... and one wonders why the world is such a violent place and that some kind of armageddon is lurking ???

The whole planet is dedicated to same ancient death cults that have been renamed and rewritten over time.

this "benefiting from murder" (as neuro puts it) mindset has to go, it has led humanity to edge of the abyss.

[crimethink]

Sure, certainly no-one who is a sinner today are guilty of killing Christ from a legal sense. Neither are the descendants of the Jews that ordered His execution, which is a minority of those that claim to be jews. But you are a beneficiary to His murder in that your sins are forgiven by his crucifixion and death, while those who reject Him aren't...

I understand that. But so did the Christians before the rise of Judeo-"Christianity," and they had no problem pointing out what the Bible states clearly.

Jews, by genetic heritage, do not have guilt for killing Christ, but, Jews/"Jews" by spiritual heritage, that is, adherence to the "Traditions of the Elders" now called the Talmud, do have guilt.

[crimethink]

ultimately, ritual murders/sacrifices are pagan in essence. Metaphoric or not. Just like cannibalism, eating flesh and drinking blood . ... and one wonders why the world is such a violent place and that some kind of armageddon is lurking ???

The whole planet is dedicated to same ancient death cults that have been renamed and rewritten over time.

this "benefiting from murder" (as neuro puts it) mindset has to go, it has led humanity to edge of the abyss.

Satanism, which is called countless names (and includes your "spirituality"), needs to go.

Violence exists because people lust for what they cannot or should not have.

[iOWNme]

Still gonna try and shove square pegs in round holes huh?

The difference between your two scenarios are ...
1. You using the ssn is a voluntary action (consent) by you and you only. It is illegal for anyone to use anothers ssn without them knowing it. The only way, legally, for another to use a ssn is to give executive power to that person. And its not the government forcing you to use the ssn. The government doesn't force the use of the ssn. The government has ever held a gun to anyone telling them to use their ssn....ever!
That's your ignorance showing again.

2. Rape isn't voluntary.

So no, the principles aren't the same....you may try and get me to think they are the same, but I'm way more intelligent than that.

Please tell us how the two (voluntary and involuntary) are principally the same?

The girl AGREED to go to dinner. She then AGREED to go back to his house. She then AGREED to make out with him. But when he wants to go to further she decides to say NO. But the 'Rapist' thinks that since she 'consented' to going out with him, consented to making out with him, that means she 'consented' to him raping her because in his mind she has no ground to say no because she AGREED to it.

The scenarios are THE EXACT SAME in principle = Full disclosure was not given to the woman about what the intent was of her 'agreed partner'.

The exact same thing can be said about DL, SSN, BC, etc.

An individual has the right to terminate any 'contract' once the individual knows the 'contract' was a FRAUD.

How many contradictory circles are going to go in trying to make your non-principled position logical?

[singular_me]

your childlike-chosen-one-doctrine into sun gods, pagan rituals and mythology has nothing compelling.

yeah, anything that does come out straight from the bible is satanic. LOL.... the problem is that there are 4 major religious doctrines out there and all their followers think like you... how is it going to end do you think ?

violence comes from delusions



Satanism, which is called countless names (and includes your "spirituality"), needs to go.

Violence exists because people lust for what they cannot or should not have.

[Neuro]

your childlike-chosen-one-doctrine into sun gods, pagan rituals and mythology has nothing compelling.

Interesting that you apply your particular belief of the bible to Crimethink... Exactly what pagan rituals does he practice?

[aeondaze]

I just wanted to say, I have no place in this thread because I disagree with everyone and its confused enough as it is, ie: iOWNME vs 7th, CT vs Goldissima.

I think if I started posting any of my beliefs, vBulletin would blow up.

OK, I did it. I killed Jesus.

There, are you all happy now? :)

[singular_me]

(delete 8 lines as there not addressing your post]

I am a pantheist (God *is* His creation and otherwise, which includes CT :)) which is not hindusism.

I have often wondered where would christianity be if jews hadnt asked the gov to kill jesus... because without crucifixion and resurrection, no chrisitainy. . That is mainly why I no longer am a christian, both judaism and christendom will not make it as war is the foundation of both beliefs... destruction will ensue with no winners...

it was all planned by the 4000yo masonic agenda... end of times prophecies are becoming more real by the day now. Indeed.



Interesting that you apply your particular belief of the bible to Crimethink... Exactly what pagan rituals does he practice?

I mentioned it before... I'd rather say mythology (cain possibly mating with a beast) but paganism also appears in the bible as metaphorically drinking blood and eating flesh of christ and ultimately the crucifixion which is a ritual. Doesnt seem like you have followed our exchange, it goes further back than this thread.

to be clear Neuro, I am very much in agreement with the overall message of the bible but not its mythology and pagan elements.

[singular_me]

Id love you to start a thread, aeon... atheistic threads on here are so seldom, we could use more of them :)

But I can conceive being in full agreement with an atheist in quest for unlimited scientific knowledge. Because I know that at the end of the road , we will agree on many things.


I just wanted to say, I have no place in this thread because I disagree with everyone and its confused enough as it is, ie: iOWNME vs 7th, CT vs Goldissima.

I think if I started posting any of my beliefs, vBulletin would blow up.

OK, I did it. I killed Jesus.

There, are you all happy now? :)

[mick silver]

seen it more then once . when someone about to die they find god real fast . just why is that ?

[midnight rambler]

seen it more then once . when someone about to die they find god real fast . just why is that ?

It's pretty simple, really.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gK2VJBKHCsY

[crimethink]

yeah, anything that does come out straight from the bible is satanic.


Your New Age sewage is not "straight from the Bible."




violence comes from delusions

Are you in need of a strait jacket?

[crimethink]

I just wanted to say, I have no place in this thread because I disagree with everyone and its confused enough as it is, ie: iOWNME vs 7th, CT vs Goldissima.

I think if I started posting any of my beliefs, vBulletin would blow up.

OK, I did it. I killed Jesus.

There, are you all happy now? :)

Do you say "Thank Darwin" when you are grateful? :)

[7th trump]

The girl AGREED to go to dinner. She then AGREED to go back to his house. She then AGREED to make out with him. But when he wants to go to further she decides to say NO. But the 'Rapist' thinks that since she 'consented' to going out with him, consented to making out with him, that means she 'consented' to him raping her because in his mind she has no ground to say no because she AGREED to it.

The scenarios are THE EXACT SAME in principle = Full disclosure was not given to the woman about what the intent was of her 'agreed partner'.

The exact same thing can be said about DL, SSN, BC, etc.

An individual has the right to terminate any 'contract' once the individual knows the 'contract' was a FRAUD.

How many contradictory circles are going to go in trying to make your non-principled position logical?

Wow......the delusion never ceases with you does it.



1.
the unlawful compelling of a person through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.

2.
any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person.

3.
statutory rape.

4.
an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation:
"the rape of the countryside."

5.
Archaic. the act of seizing and carrying off by force.
verb (used with object), raped, raping.
6.
to force to have sexual intercourse.

7.
to plunder (a place); despoil.

8.
to seize, take, or carry off by force.

I dont see anything in those definitions that say consenting to one unrelated action equates to having unconsenting sex as consentual....only a mental fool would think that in that term!
Is this what you think?
Because that is what you are suggesting.
Just admit...your arguement is illogical!

Dinner and kissing was consentual (both party's agreed).....refusing sexual intercourse is not consentual (one party disagreed).

So no....they are not the same.
Likewise....if you want to participate in social security you consentually sign on the line stipulating you are going to be legally a subject of the federal governments. Whether o not you understand the legal ramifications is solely up to you tp learn.
Its also up to you to understand that being a subject has other rules and regulations you have to abide to. ....whether or not you agree.
This is where you derail your own arguement....you want all the benefits the government offers but refuse the legalities associated with receiving those benefits.
You want something from others for nothing!

[aeondaze]

Id love you to start a thread, aeon... atheistic threads on here are so seldom, we could use more of them :)

But I can conceive being in full agreement with an atheist in quest for unlimited scientific knowledge. Because I know that at the end of the road , we will agree on many things.

I have no desire to try to convince anyone as to the validity of atheism, each to their own. Just don't expect me to partake in your beliefs.


seen it more then once . when someone about to die they find god real fast . just why is that ?

Yeah Mick, I don't know. I have come to the conclusion that my death bed is not going to change my mind. I couldn't care less about some fabled afterlife. I'd be more concerned with what I'd be leaving behind, my kids etc.


Do you say "Thank Darwin" when you are grateful? :)

No. You win some and you loose some. Life is just like rolling a dice a lot of the time.

When I'm lucky I just say to my myself "Well, that was fortuitous!"

[StreetsOfGold]

If anyone thinks Jesus is NOT God manifest on the flesh then just look at this thread.

NO TOPIC elicits MORE controversy than the Lord Jesus Christ

He is God and the god (small g) of this world (Satan) is infuriated and the devils come out of the woodwork when *HIS NAME* is brought up!!

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

The ONLY name USED as a CUSS WORD by the LOST world as evidenced in just about every place on earth, including hellywood movies, novels, etc.

Why??

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

[Neuro]

seen it more then once . when someone about to die they find god real fast . just why is that ?
I think fear is a powerful motivator. The question coming to the mind of the dying is; Is this it? And then nothing?

However my dad seems to be an exception. Dying but an Atheist. I can't say to the end because we are not there yet. I met him today, I am happy that he doesn't seem to be afraid of dying. Today he said he was afraid if he went along for 2-3 months from now, he would prefer a quicker death. Damn this makes me so sad!

[aeondaze]

I think fear is a powerful motivator. The question coming to the mind of the dying is; Is this it? And then nothing?

However my dad seems to be an exception. Dying but an Atheist. I can't say to the end because we are not there yet. I met him today, I am happy that he doesn't seem to be afraid of dying. Today he said he was afraid if he went along for 2-3 months from now, he would prefer a quicker death. Damn this makes me so sad!

Sorry to hear this Neuro, best wishes to you and your family.

I hope you can all find peace in good time.

[crimethink]

the devils come out of the woodwork when *HIS NAME* is brought up!!

Especially those who call themselves "Jews."

Are you prepared to condemn anti-Christ Israel, the state which dishonors Him?

[Neuro]

Especially those who call themselves "Jews."

Are you prepared to condemn anti-Christ Israel, the state which dishonors Him?
Excellent question for 'christian' Zionists! You simply can't be both without cognitive dissonance!

[mick silver]

20 years ago on dec 11 we buried my dad , still to this day it been one of the hardest things i have had to do . neuro spent as much time with him as you , you will always have that, no one a take that from you

[Glass]

seen it more then once . when someone about to die they find god real fast . just why is that ?

there isn't anything wrong with that. With your last breath. Remember that. With your last breath.

[mick silver]

I didn't say it was wrong . but I have seen it more then once , people find god in many places that's all I am saying . like me I see god when I look in the forest knowing that I can not make what I see I know I can plant a forest but it will not be the same.

[singular_me]

all that is consciousness doesnt die, it is just another state of energy. we start dying right after birth... so death is a rebirth.

I believe in reincarnation however. when reincarnation is part of the religious belief, many kids remember their past lives as the culture encourages such memories. For some reason those memories faded as kids age, most likely because the reality of existence takes over. There are studies about this.

I am really not afraid of dying and not sad when somebody close to me dies since I know what they are going through and am happy for them.

more
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?80764-The-Spirit-Molecule

[iOWNme]

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[crimethink]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B5KpGK2IcAA93xi.jpg

Why don't you stop lying, Jewboy?

"Then said Pilate to the chief priests and to the people, I find no fault in this man."

Jesus was killed because the Jews demanded it. The Roman Governor: "I find no fault in this man."

The private organization demanded His death.