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madfranks
16th December 2014, 02:19 PM
So my wife and I just got back from our cruise vacation, to celebrate 10 years of marriage. The cruise experience is really amazing, you're basically pampered with food, comfort, and entertainment for 7 days straight. There are tons of fun things to do (live performances, comedy club, casino/arcade, mini golf, spa, restaurants, I could go on), lots of good food to eat and traveling to other countries is really an eye opening experience. Escaping America for a week to visit other cultures and ways of life is incredibly refreshing, it shows that while America tries to be the center of the world, there are still places where nobody gives a shit about what politicians in America are doing. Here are some of my significant observations and realizations about the whole thing.

First, if there is any place that really signifies the gluttonous, rude, prideful and narcissistic American stereotype, cruise ships are it. The staff on the ships are all from poorer countries (Philippines, Indonesia, Singapore, etc), but damn they were the most attentive, polite, hard working people I've seen in a long time. My wife suffered a headache during the trip (I think it was from dehydration, she wasn't drinking enough water), so we lounged in our room for a few hours, told our room steward he didn't have to clean our room, so he moved on, but he actually called the room later that evening to check and see if she was feeling ok and if there was anything he could do. But we saw so many people being outright rude to the ship staff, ordering them around like slaves, pushing their trash at them, openly complaining about trivial things. While we were walking around the ship, one lady had an empty wine glass and without even making eye contact, just pushed it in the hands of one of the staff and said "take this". Other people were so gluttonous they would pile the food on their plates, high and deep, then eat a few bites and leave the plate to be cleaned by the staff, again many of which come from poor countries and I'm sure they are all sick when they see this food being wasted. I saw one fat guy pile on two hotdogs and two burgers on his plate, eat half of one dog and burger, and leave the rest for trash. One fat lady bumped into me and stepped directly on my foot, full weight, and out of instinct I said "I'm sorry" as if I had bumped her, and she turned and glared at me and walked away without saying a thing.

One of our stops was Roatan, one of Honduras' bay islands, which is a very poor country. For $40 we hired a personal tour guide who drove us around the island in his car, wherever we wanted to go. We shopped at a local grocery store (local rum was just over $6 a bottle after exchange rates, a bag of candy for the kids was only $0.50), and ate at a local food joint. These people don't have a lot, but they were all very nice and held positive outlooks. Our driver was a musician and singer at his local church, and he sang us some gospel songs while driving around. They love Jesus here and aren't ashamed about it at all, the way many Americans are shy about their faith. They love Americans because the USD is so valuable compared to the Honduras Lempira.

While driving down one road with potholes in it, we passed a man working in the street filling the potholes with dirt, tamping it down with a shovel. We naturally assumed he was a road worker, and asked our driver about it. Turns out that man was unemployed, filling potholes in an attempt to get tips from tourists driving on the pothole laden roads. They don't have welfare in Roatan, so unemployed men try to be useful to get tip money, as this is better than lounging around doing nothing. Turns out that there are many unemployed folks who, instead of turning to crime, try to be useful to earn tip money from Americans. I gave our driver $2 with the promise that next time he sees that man in the street filling the potholes, to give it to him. We walked by a man with a bucket of young coconuts, a machete, and a bottle of rum. For $3 USD he would machete open the top of the coconut, give you a straw, have you drink some of the coconut water out, and fill the rest with rum. An amazing local drink, and the price was great.

We also hit up Belize City, in addition to Roatan. There is very little government involvement in these areas, for the most part you are left alone until election time comes. In Belize City, we asked our guide about local politics and he said that nominally they are a democracy, but every time an election comes up, the politicians will literally go door to door, offering $100 Belize dollars for a vote. Most people are too poor to turn it down, so the elections are literally bought and sold openly. Then the politicians work to get as much aid money as they can to finance their own lavish lifestyles and personal projects, while letting the roads fall apart and doing pretty much nothing for the people.

Overall, my wife and I enjoyed the vacation, with a joyful heart and recognition that this was one of God's blessings in our lives. I love to cruise, and can't wait for the next one. Also, we did this whole trip without passports, even though we visited many foreign countries. :)

midnight rambler
16th December 2014, 02:25 PM
That's great the two of you had a pleasant experience for the most part.

You couldn't pay me enough to get on a cruise ship - easiest place in the world for an unsolved (and uninvestigated) disappearance to take place.

Dogman
16th December 2014, 02:37 PM
Sounds like the term "Ugly American" of the 70's still lives on in the 2000's.

Glad you enjoyed your trip!

When is the new kid due?

;)

EE_
16th December 2014, 04:03 PM
Glad you had a good time.
You didn't sell me on cruises though.
Obviously you are not a travel agent :)

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gluttonous, rude, prideful and narcissistic American
staff on the ships are all from poorer countries
wife suffered a headache during the trip
people being outright rude to the ship staff, ordering them around like slaves, pushing their trash at them, openly complaining about trivial things.
fat guy pile on two hotdogs and two burgers on his plate, eat half of one dog and burger, and leave the rest for trash.
fat lady bumped into me and stepped directly on my foot
Honduras' bay islands, which is a very poor country.
people don't have a lot
They love Americans because the USD is so valuable
unemployed, filling potholes in an attempt to get tips from tourists
many unemployed folks
politicians work to get as much aid money as they can to finance their own lavish lifestyles and personal projects, while letting the roads fall apart and doing pretty much nothing for the people.

Cebu_4_2
16th December 2014, 04:56 PM
Still it is amazing how they survive in their own countries without welfare and the politican bullshit. TV however, any politician etc will sell their souls for another vote. The cruises are cool, good food and all the leftovers are dumped at sea.

Santa
16th December 2014, 05:58 PM
It seems to me that "politicians" should be the ones in the road filling potholes for tips.

govcheetos
16th December 2014, 07:20 PM
Great write up! Been several years since I've been on one. Agree with just about everything you said about the staff and the Americans, tipped my room steward $100.

How'd it go with no passports?

Neuro
17th December 2014, 07:58 AM
It seems to me that "politicians" should be the ones in the road filling potholes for tips.
Yes filling potholes with politicians is a noble occupation worthy of a good tip!

Libertytree
17th December 2014, 08:13 AM
I was always afraid to go on a cruise because of not being able to fully pay my bar tab. I could always see me having to wash dishes for a month in order to pay it off.

Neuro
17th December 2014, 08:44 AM
I was always afraid to go on a cruise because of not being able to fully pay my bar tab. I could always see me having to wash dishes for a month in order to pay it off.
Isn't booze included in all-inclusive?

Libertytree
17th December 2014, 08:54 AM
Isn't booze included in all-inclusive?

I thought it was a separate thing?

EE_
17th December 2014, 09:04 AM
Isn't booze included in all-inclusive?

I would hope so, I would need something to dull the pain of seeing the blight of such impoverished nations and the extreme poverty of their people.

Hitch
17th December 2014, 09:36 AM
You can actually buy a home and live on this cruise ship, the World, the largest private residential ship. They have 165 luxurious homes on board!

http://aboardtheworld.com/our_story

Neuro
17th December 2014, 09:37 AM
I would hope so, I would need something to dull the pain of seeing the blight of such impoverished nations and the extreme poverty of their people.
Cheers to that Lardarse!

Neuro
17th December 2014, 09:38 AM
You can actually buy a home and live on this cruise ship, the World, the largest private residential ship. They have 165 luxurious homes on board!

http://aboardtheworld.com/our_story
Is it all-inclusive?

Neuro
17th December 2014, 09:41 AM
I thought it was a separate thing?
So you missed out your whole life of binge-drinking without consequence!

Hitch
17th December 2014, 09:48 AM
Is it all-inclusive?

If you have to ask, you can't afford it. :) I would imagine you drop a few million on buying the home on board, than pay annual dues to cover the costs of the voyage, maybe another million a year? I really have no idea. I did look at the careers section though. Maybe I could get a job making sandwiches on board.

EE_
17th December 2014, 09:53 AM
You can actually buy a home and live on this cruise ship, the World, the largest private residential ship. They have 165 luxurious homes on board!

http://aboardtheworld.com/our_story

Sounds great! Entry level is only 600K, plus 20K a month for food and fees.

Neuro
17th December 2014, 10:26 AM
If you have to ask, you can't afford it. :) I would imagine you drop a few million on buying the home on board, than pay annual dues to cover the costs of the voyage, maybe another million a year? I really have no idea. I did look at the careers section though. Maybe I could get a job making sandwiches on board.
Crimethink would immediately buy a condo if you do! ;D

Neuro
17th December 2014, 10:30 AM
Sounds great! Entry level is only 600K, plus 20K a month for food and fees.
Crimethink! Can you afford that? Libertytree may want to chip in on the rent with his dish washing salary, and he can sleep in the guest toilet...

Hitch
17th December 2014, 10:30 AM
Crimethink would immediately buy a condo if you do! ;D

Haha! I was wondering if anyone would catch that part of my post!

Neuro
17th December 2014, 10:37 AM
Haha! I was wondering if anyone would catch that part of my post!
It took me a couple of minutes after reading before I connected. Good exercise in lateral thinking!

crimethink
17th December 2014, 12:17 PM
Isn't booze included in all-inclusive?

Jewish-owned Carnival doesn't include it, though some smaller traditional lines in your area (e.g., Greek or Italian) of the world might:

http://www.carnival.com/cms/fun/cruise_control/first_time_included.htm


Some, like Costa (Italian, but Jewish Carnival-owned), offer a (€23.50/day) beverage package:

http://www.costacruise.com/usa/all-inclusive-cruise.html

crimethink
17th December 2014, 12:20 PM
Crimethink! Can you afford that? Libertytree may want to chip in on the rent with his dish washing salary, and he can sleep in the guest toilet...

I only sail on ships with SAMs and SSMs aboard. :)

Maybe Putin will let me rent this:

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Lm7ftvtzA2E/UUwx4JY2C8I/AAAAAAAABFE/dErIyIeMIOM/s1600/pyotr+velikiy+02.jpg

Libertytree
17th December 2014, 12:45 PM
Crimethink! Can you afford that? Libertytree may want to chip in on the rent with his dish washing salary, and he can sleep in the guest toilet...

If I can't sleep in the big main toilet the deals off!

Neuro
17th December 2014, 12:48 PM
if i can't sleep in the big main toilet the deals off!
lmao!

madfranks
17th December 2014, 02:14 PM
Great write up! Been several years since I've been on one. Agree with just about everything you said about the staff and the Americans, tipped my room steward $100.

How'd it go with no passports?

We were also very generous with our tips. To these people a $20 bill is a lot of money. On the last day of the cruise I tipped the guy who opened the bathroom door for me a $20, and his eyes opened up and he gratefully said "thank you sir". I don't think most people tip the bathroom guys.

It was amazing without passports - nobody ever asked or cared. I admit, I was a little concerned once we left the "safety zone" in Roatan for our "unauthorized" island tour, but nobody ever asked to see it once on the entire trip. Even coming back in, passing through customs, they didn't ask for a passport.

madfranks
17th December 2014, 02:19 PM
I was always afraid to go on a cruise because of not being able to fully pay my bar tab. I could always see me having to wash dishes for a month in order to pay it off.

Check this out - we bought these stealth flasks ahead of time, because Carnival doesn't allow you to bring your own booze on board. They charge ridiculous amounts of money, like $9 for a cheap cocktail with almost no booze in it at all. So we filled these bad boys up with 101 proof whiskey, and my wife thought they'd catch them, but lo and behold, when our luggage was dropped off at our room, they were still there, fully intact and ready for good times!

http://s17.postimg.org/xye7k47pb/booze_bottle_1.jpg

http://s11.postimg.org/izbtavr77/booze_bottle_3.jpg

Also, in the casino, I dropped a few quarters into a quarter pushing machine, and won a token good for one free drink, so I went to the bar and asked what I could get with it, and he said anything on the drink menu, so I got a double shot of makers mark, for a couple of quarters!!

madfranks
17th December 2014, 02:22 PM
I would hope so, I would need something to dull the pain of seeing the blight of such impoverished nations and the extreme poverty of their people.

That makes me sad too, but these people love to see Americans because we bring comparatively good money with us. We were very generous with our tips, out in Roatan there was a group of 5 kids with sticks and cans playing drums, and I gave each one of them a dollar. You'll never see kids in USA so thankful for a dollar.

Cebu_4_2
17th December 2014, 02:47 PM
When we docked there were a bunch of young boys by the ramp begging for money so I threw in a handfull of change into the water, they all dove in after it lol.

mick silver
18th December 2014, 10:43 AM
have you and your wife pick a name for the new baby yet

madfranks
19th December 2014, 12:18 PM
have you and your wife pick a name for the new baby yet

Ha ha, I'll let you know. ;)

Cebu_4_2
19th December 2014, 12:45 PM
Ha ha, I'll let you know. ;)

Wondered who he was talking to...

Neuro
13th February 2015, 04:37 PM
If I can't sleep in the big main toilet the deals off!
Tony's last post on the forum and I think it perfectly captures his spirit and good sense of humor! So sad today...

mick silver
13th February 2015, 05:52 PM
i still don't know the name of mad new baby

Cebu_4_2
14th February 2015, 04:36 AM
i still don't know the name of mad new baby

Madness?