Is this a good deal for a used Colt A3 [Archive]

old steel

18th December 2014, 06:33 PM

midnight rambler

19th December 2014, 05:36 PM

Why??

If you just HAVE to have a mouse caliber* then hold your nose and get a Tavor. You'll thank me later.

*The ONLY mouse caliber round CURRENTLY available that's worth a shit is the Barnes 70gr. TSX aka optimized 5.56 aka brown tip. You will probably have to roll your own to get it.

old steel

19th December 2014, 08:52 PM

Still i wouldn't want to be shot with one.

You can carry much more ammo and it's the standard NATO round so readily available.

If you can shoot accurately it's all you really need.

Glass

19th December 2014, 11:38 PM

this is not an A3. But its still good gun pron

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLcw62Zs7gY

my first select fire was an M16. Before that an FAL. I preferred the FAL SLR for reliability but it was too heavy. The AR platform wins out on weight.

midnight rambler

20th December 2014, 05:34 AM

Still i wouldn't want to be shot with one.

I don't care to get shot with a pellet gun or paintball gun either however the point is that the anemic .223/5.56 has a well known and widely accepted track record of sub-par performance in the sandbox where it fails to immediately stop a threat DESPITE multiple torso shots and fails to penetrate barriers. It only takes a couple of seconds for a dead man to kill you*. Federal's Trophy Bonded Bear Claw (RXM556T3 aka XM556FBIT3, the FBI spec round is virtually impossible to find now) and the optimized 5.56/brown tip were specifically designed to overcome these problems. Federal appears to have a good option with their Fusion line. Nosler also makes a bonded bullet with vastly improved terminal performance/mass retention/barrier blind performance (that is readily available at Silver State Armory) but as a buddy pointed out to me "the ballistic coefficient (of the Nosler bonded bullet which Winchester uses for their FBI load) is in the realm of somewhere between a thrown walnut and a slingshotted peanut" however should be fine for CQB.

* http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/8088570/all/Michigan_2_Concealed_Carry_Hol

mick silver

27th December 2014, 10:43 AM

old could you post links on the stuff you post it would help thanks

crimethink

27th December 2014, 05:48 PM

hold your nose and get a Tavor

Fuck "Israel" and fuck their weapons industry. I wouldn't use IMI ammunition if my life depended on it (maybe if my family's did).

As for 5.56mm (as well as 9mm), they're much maligned, but nowhere near as bad as some make them out to be. Of course, 7.62mm is preferable, but 5.56mm has its advantages relative to its disadvantages. 5.56mm (9mm) widespread usage speaks for itself, and not merely because they're a NATO standard. If they were woefully ineffective, they wouldn't be selected so readily.

Shami-Amourae

27th December 2014, 07:24 PM

Fuck "Israel" and fuck their weapons industry. I wouldn't use IMI ammunition if my life depended on it (maybe if my family's did).

As for 5.56mm (as well as 9mm), they're much maligned, but nowhere near as bad as some make them out to be. Of course, 7.62mm is preferable, but 5.56mm has its advantages relative to its disadvantages. 5.56mm (9mm) widespread usage speaks for itself, and not merely because they're a NATO standard. If they were woefully ineffective, they wouldn't be selected so readily.

I carry 9mm. I dunno if you can conceal carry in California, but I do.

I've thought about this myself. I have also talked to a lot of people in the firearms industry. Many trust 9mm considering of all handgun rounds it has the most development/research (specialty rounds), options, and availability.

I also have a 10mm Glock 29 I'm also considering carrying but still unsure. I can carry 10+1 10mm bullets in about the same sized package as a Glock 19 which carries 15+1.

Of course there's also 45 ACP but I don't own anything that fires that.

Also the problem I currently have with the 7.62 bullet is there's not any real models I can think of that are light weight, reliable, and accurate. When you say 7.62 I assume you mean 7.62x39, but if I'm carrying 7.62x51 (.308 Win) I want it to be a bolt gun. I'm trying to stay under 7 pounds as much as possible.

milehi

27th December 2014, 08:18 PM

You can conceal carry in California, with an issued permit. Some counties do not issue. Besides .22lr and 12g, everything I have is chambered for .40. and 7.62x51/39.

Shami-Amourae

27th December 2014, 08:32 PM

You can conceal carry in California, with an issued permit. Some counties do not issue. Besides .22lr and 12g, everything I have is chambered for .40. and 7.62x51/39.

My Glock 29 fires 10mm, 40 S&W, 357 Sig, and 9×25mm Dillon.

I got it since it gives you so many options and can work against any animal in North America.

You can check out some of the Glock conversion barrels here if you're interested:
https://www.lonewolfdist.com/Products.aspx?CAT=241

crimethink

27th December 2014, 08:59 PM

I carry 9mm. I dunno if you can conceal carry in California, but I do.

Yes, most of California's rural counties are virtual shall-issue.

I've thought about this myself. I have also talked to a lot of people in the firearms industry. Many trust 9mm considering of all handgun rounds it has the most development/research (specialty rounds), options, and availability.

I also have a 10mm Glock 29 I'm also considering carrying but still unsure. I can carry 10+1 10mm bullets in about the same sized package as a Glock 19 which carries 15+1.

Of course there's also 45 ACP but I don't own anything that fires that.

Also the problem I currently have with the 7.62 bullet is there's not any real models I can think of that are light weight, reliable, and accurate. When you say 7.62 I assume you mean 7.62x39, but if I'm carrying 7.62x51 (.308 Win) I want it to be a bolt gun. I'm trying to stay under 7 pounds as much as possible.

The German Army developed 9mm Luger and continues to use it. Hundreds of military & paramilitary forces still use it. If it was "worthless," they wouldn't all do so.

Yes, 7.62mm x 39mm is the usual "7.62," but, also, the .308 / 7.62mm x 51, as well. Additionally, there is the 7.62mm x 54R, an "ancient" Russian rimmed cartridge used in the Mosin, Dragunov, and a few archaic, rarely seen but beautiful automatics. All are heavy, and you really need to justify the reduction in ammunition-per-man capacity for the higher stopping power for your specific mission. If I need something that will blow a hole through something very, very solid, my Mosin will do that. But for general purposes, such as zombie neutralization, an AR cartridge is just fine.

It is very telling that the Russians downsized from 7.62mm x 39 to 5.45mm x 39, yet another .22 "mouse" caliber. The PLA uses yet another "mouse" caliber, the 5.8mm x 42. The PLA cartridge has a slightly higher joule rating than the 5.56mm, the Russian, significantly less. The hate for .22 caliber centerfire rifles is nowhere near universal. :)

crimethink

27th December 2014, 09:18 PM

Nuclear Security Forces Trade In Rifle. Anyone know anything else about them?

http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy200/gutinater/a2_zps4f817bc2.jpg

http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy200/gutinater/a1_zps4321b7d0.jpg

Used Colt AR-15 A3 W/ Used Aimpoint Comp M2 (Agency Trade-In) (IA)

Package Sold AS IS. Condition may vary.

Nuclear Security Forces Trade In Rifle AR-15 A3 includes:

- Colt-Marked BCG

- Colt 1/9 HBar

- Aimpoint Comp M2 Red Dot Optic 4 MOA

- GG&G Optic Mount and Riser

- GG&G Modular Rail

- GG&G Flip-Up Rear Sight

- GG&G Vertical Grip

- Ambidextrous Rear Sling Attachment

- "F" Marked Front Sight

«««««««Dont let these cool agency trade in rifles pass you by, every time there is a batch of Agency trade in rifles released the prices keep going up and up as they sell off

REGULAR: $1399.99

SALE: $1199.99

I believe this is where you found them:

http://www.irunguns.com/product.used-colt-ar-15-a3-w-used-aimpoint-comp-m2-agency-trade-in-ia-13-317

When they say "Nuclear Security Forces," I presume they refer to NRC/NNSA guards? If so, these weapons were likely fired only for training, never in anger, as NRC/NNSA protects nuclear reactors and nuclear weapons within the United States, not in combat. Without looking at one, can't say if they're a good deal, but they probably are.

Shami-Amourae

27th December 2014, 09:25 PM

I did a bunch of research and am liking this setup for reliability, accuracy, affordable, and light weight:

Mini-14 Tactical (Weighs around 6.75lbs)
http://www.kksurvival.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/ruger-mini-14-tac.jpg
+
Accu-Strut (Increases accuracy to AR-15 levels - adds the metal bar below barrel for more stability)
http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/attachments/ruger-mini-14-mini-30/24375d1376008698-mini-14-tactical-582-series-har-bar-accu-strut-mo-rod-image.jpg

What do you think?

You can get 30 round magazines too. This has the Hogue Overmold Stock. I'd want to get a setup like this:
http://savethegun.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/img_1760.jpg

gunDriller

28th December 2014, 06:22 AM

Fuck "Israel" and fuck their weapons industry. I wouldn't use IMI ammunition if my life depended on it (maybe if my family's did).

i know how you feel. i have some Israeli made carbide end mills for sale. i try not to say anything about the Israeli part.

crimethink

28th December 2014, 09:44 AM

i know how you feel. i have some Israeli made carbide end mills for sale. i try not to say anything about the Israeli part.

I don't understand how anyone who is, or claims to be, Jew-wise, would willfully endorse products from the satanic killing machine. Machine tools and consumer items are one thing; military equipment is quite another.

EE_

28th December 2014, 09:55 AM

I don't understand how anyone who is, or claims to be, Jew-wise, would willfully endorse products from the satanic killing machine. Machine tools and consumer items are one thing; military equipment is quite another.

One way to look at it, would you go to a auto machanic to get medical help? Would you go to a roofing contractor to get dental work...no!
So, if you want the best field tested killing equipment, you should go to the best killers, slaughters of men, women and children on the planet! Who knows how to kill better then the Jew?
Same with martial arts, Krav Maga is the hottest quick kill martial art out there, at this time.

Hitch

28th December 2014, 10:02 AM

I did a bunch of research and am liking this setup for reliability, accuracy, affordable, and light weight:

Mini-14 Tactical (Weighs around 6.75lbs)

Might want to take a look at the mini-30 for a comparison. The mini-30 shoots 7.62 x39. I had a chance to buy one, unfired, stainless steel model, for $700, with multiple mags included, and ammo... I'm still kicking myself for not jumping on that deal.

Shami-Amourae

28th December 2014, 10:54 AM

Might want to take a look at the mini-30 for a comparison. The mini-30 shoots 7.62 x39. I had a chance to buy one, unfired, stainless steel model, for $700, with multiple mags included, and ammo... I'm still kicking myself for not jumping on that deal.

I heard it doesn't fire some of the steel ammo reliably, but I follow what you mean. It's far more accurate than the AK-47 and California legal without the gay bullet button. The 223 version (Mini-14) has AK-47 reliability for the 223.

old steel

28th December 2014, 03:54 PM

My Glock 29 fires 10mm, 40 S&W, 357 Sig, and 9×25mm Dillon.

I got it since it gives you so many options and can work against any animal in North America.

You can check out some of the Glock conversion barrels here if you're interested:
https://www.lonewolfdist.com/Products.aspx?CAT=241

That is cool but isn't just 10mm all you really need?

old steel

28th December 2014, 03:57 PM

At gun forums they laugh when someone says they are going to pick Mini 14/30's for defense/gun battles.

Barrels won't hold up under rapid fire conditions, like a real military rifle will.

EE_

28th December 2014, 04:17 PM

At gun forums they laugh when someone says they are going to pick Mini 14/30's for defense/gun battles.

Barrels won't hold up under rapid fire conditions, like a real military rifle will.

Newer Mini's have better flanged barrels. I like the feel and size of the Mini. I would stay with .223 and 20 round mags
I believe they are still used in correctional facilities.
http://www.amegaranges.com/product_pages/images/barrel_ID/mini14_sidebyside.jpg
http://www.amegaranges.com/product_pages/images/barrel_ID/sidebyside.jpg

milehi

28th December 2014, 05:57 PM

Saiga in 7.62x39. It's what my three kids received for Christmas.

crimethink

28th December 2014, 06:50 PM

One way to look at it, would you go to a auto machanic to get medical help? Would you go to a roofing contractor to get dental work...no!
So, if you want the best field tested killing equipment, you should go to the best killers, slaughters of men, women and children on the planet! Who knows how to kill better then the Jew?
Same with martial arts, Krav Maga is the hottest quick kill martial art out there, at this time.

I say again, fuck "Israel" and fuck their weapons industry. "Krav Maga" is just more Kosher rip-off from the ancient and modern traditions of Goyim of Europe & Asia. Anyone who buys into its alleged "superiority" is swallowing a Kosher marketing load.

"Israel" produces nothing that America, Europe, Russia, or even China can't produce as well, or better. I'd rather have stuff made by Chinamen; at least it's intended to protect a respectable, ancient civilization.

Anyone who claims to be Jew-wise has no business buying or using military products from the satanic outlaw state.

crimethink

28th December 2014, 06:52 PM

At gun forums they laugh when someone says they are going to pick Mini 14/30's for defense/gun battles.

Barrels won't hold up under rapid fire conditions, like a real military rifle will.

I disqualified the Mini-14s due to non-standard magazines. That was deliberate, an effort to prevent "mere civilians" from using readily available STANAG AR mags.

Shami-Amourae

29th December 2014, 01:55 AM

Might want to take a look at the mini-30 for a comparison. The mini-30 shoots 7.62 x39. I had a chance to buy one, unfired, stainless steel model, for $700, with multiple mags included, and ammo... I'm still kicking myself for not jumping on that deal.

The Mini-30 is highly unreliable with cheap Russian ammo like Tula, which is what mainly is available anyways.

Found an interesting article on it, read the comments:
http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/ruger-mini-thirty-alternative-ak/

I'd only consider getting the Mini-14 which is reliable all around in comparison.

old steel

30th December 2014, 10:27 PM

Saiga in 7.62x39. It's what my three kids received for Christmas.

Woops hahahah, see below.

old steel

30th December 2014, 10:31 PM

Saiga in 7.62x39. It's what my three kids received for Christmas.

Definitely a killing machine.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/8e/Vang-mug.jpg/220px-Vang-mug.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vang-mug.jpg) Chai Soua Vang

Born
September 24, 1968 (age 46)
Laos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laos)

Occupation
Truck driver (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truck_driver)

Criminal penalty
Six consecutive life terms plus seventy years

Killings

Date
November 21, 2004

Location(s)
Meteor, Wisconsin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteor,_Wisconsin), United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States)

Killed
6

Injured
2

Weapon(s)
7.62x39 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62_x_39_mm_M43) caliber Saiga rifle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saiga_semi-automatic_rifle)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chai_Vang

mick silver

31st December 2014, 02:48 PM

are those full auto
I believe this is where you found them:

http://www.irunguns.com/product.used-colt-ar-15-a3-w-used-aimpoint-comp-m2-agency-trade-in-ia-13-317

When they say "Nuclear Security Forces," I presume they refer to NRC/NNSA guards? If so, these weapons were likely fired only for training, never in anger, as NRC/NNSA protects nuclear reactors and nuclear weapons within the United States, not in combat. Without looking at one, can't say if they're a good deal, but they probably are.

mick silver

31st December 2014, 02:50 PM

you forgot one of your kids MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE dad
Saiga in 7.62x39. It's what my three kids received for Christmas.

midnight rambler

3rd January 2015, 07:22 PM

I say again, fuck "Israel" and fuck their weapons industry. "Krav Maga" is just more Kosher rip-off from the ancient and modern traditions of Goyim of Europe & Asia. Anyone who buys into its alleged "superiority" is swallowing a Kosher marketing load.

"Israel" produces nothing that America, Europe, Russia, or even China can't produce as well, or better. I'd rather have stuff made by Chinamen; at least it's intended to protect a respectable, ancient civilization.

Anyone who claims to be Jew-wise has no business buying or using military products from the satanic outlaw state.

I really think that is a bit over the top, as well as being in contrast to what Sun Tzu teaches us (take the enemy's stuff and put it to good use - which ISIS seems to excel at).

I don't think at all that there's any 'superiority' of the Tavor...except over the AR system and the crappy Mini-14 - however that doesn't take much. lol If one wants a quality 5.56 one's choices are limited, ESPECIALLY if one is relying on availability in the secondary market. Because the Tavor is very popular right now it can be found on the secondary market if one is patient. AUGs and the K&M reproduction of the M17 (or M17s) not so much. The Desert Tech MDR is looking good however those are still a ways out (IF they were to ever show up on the secondary market). Sure, there are the Arsenal AKs in 5.56 floating around (I had used to have one) however those are not very good optic platforms not to mention the poor groups out of an AK (as well as all the little things that need to be done to a 5.56 AK (mags at $45 each, OUCH) to make it suitable ends up costing more than a Tavor. The long rail on the Tavor makes it VERY flexible with respect to optic choices esp. including NV options (the Mini-14 does not lend itself well to optic solutions). I've done my research on the Tavor and I'm ok with it. Anyone who talks trash about the Tavor doesn't know anything about the Tavor (except that it's a product of Zionist swine).

midnight rambler

3rd January 2015, 07:33 PM

But for general purposes, such as zombie neutralization, an AR cartridge is just fine.

The truth is that the .223 was originally developed as a varmint round. It is truly a 'mouse caliber'. The Swiss got it right with their 6.5 (excellent BC, truly the sweet spot) and Saive (Browning's protege) originally intended for the FAL to be an intermediate .280 caliber (in fact the very first FAL prototypes just happened to be bullpups). It's only been in the past few years that .224 projectiles (the actual size for the .223/5.56) worth a shit have been developed. These include the bonded soft points (Nosler's 64gr., Federal's 62gr. TBBC - both specified by the FBI, and Speer's Gold Dot line) and the Barnes TSX all copper bullets (the 70gr. TSX being what the DoD developed as the 'optimized 5.56' aka brown tip since everything else is so fucking lame and unreliable with respect to terminal effects and penetrating barriers).

Shami-Amourae

4th January 2015, 04:58 PM

Anders Behring Breivik`s Ruger Mini-14
http://thetruthaboutguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Anders-Behrinn-Breivik-.jpg

http://nazarian.no/images/wep/776_ABB_Ruger.jpg

steyr_m

4th January 2015, 06:25 PM

I'm with crimethink, I will never support Israel in any of their industries. I don't care how the Tavor is portrayed. If my Govt allowed me to have one, I'd buy a SIG 550 before a Tavor.

I've heard more debates about which round is better than another round. The list is long on the amount of people planted in the ground over the 9mm Luger and the 5.56 NATO. They are standard military rounds and will be the most plentiful during SHTF. I'd be more concerned about shot placement....

If you want 7.62 capability, [and reload] consider building another upper with the .300 Blackout. It uses 5.56 brass.

midnight rambler

4th January 2015, 09:00 PM

I will never support Israel in any of their industries.

I don't, I suppose you overlooked where I said I acquired mine on the secondary market.

The list is long on the amount of people planted in the ground over the 9mm Luger and the 5.56 NATO.

There are plenty of one shot kills with .22 rimfire however that doesn't make it the best choice for stopping the problem in its tracks before it kills you. If you want performance out of the mouse caliber I posted the solutions. If you fail to DYODD then that's your problem not mine. What's worse is giving others the impression that the mouse caliber .223/5.56 gets the job done in a timely fashion. If one fails to use the appropriate ammo (the examples I posted which would also include the Federal Fusion round which is more readily available than the others I posted) then it can set one up for some extremely unpleasant disappointment.

If you want 7.62 capability, [and reload] consider building another upper with the .300 Blackout. It uses 5.56 brass.

Apples and oranges comparison. .300 AAC is an anemic .30 caliber and is nowhere near the energy and velocity of the 7.62x39 (the .300 AAC case is very limited on volume therefore can't put much charge in it). I'm a big fan of the TSX round and a TSX round loaded in .300 AAC fails to make the velocity threshold downrange for positive and reliable expansion of the TSX bullet, therefore there's no real point (unless you're running subsonic ammo thru a can) or benefit in utilizing the .300 AAC since you're stuck with the limited case capacity of the mouse caliber.

crimethink

5th January 2015, 02:34 PM

I really think that is a bit over the top, as well as being in contrast to what Sun Tzu teaches us (take the enemy's stuff and put it to good use - which ISIS seems to excel at).

When Jizzreal hands out their weapons and ammunition for free, I will use them.

Until then, helping the enemy with monetary aid is completely contrary to the principles of the Art of War.

Because the Tavor is very popular right now it can be found on the secondary market if one is patient.

Primary purchaser, secondary purchaser, tertiary purchaser, it doesn't matter: you are supporting the satanic anti-Christ entity. If you pay even one dollar for it, you are supporting "them." Purchasing one as a second or third owner merely frees up space in the market for another new one.

crimethink

5th January 2015, 02:40 PM

The truth is that the .223 was originally developed as a varmint round. It is truly a 'mouse caliber'.

Of course, you skipped right over the fact the Russians went from 7.62 to 5.45 and the Chinese also use a "mouse caliber." So, the vast majority of the world's armed forces use "mouse calibers" as primary weapons, but, we should believe you that they are "ineffective."

crimethink

5th January 2015, 02:44 PM

I don't, I suppose you overlooked where I said I acquired mine on the secondary market.

Like that matters. You contributed to the demand for satanic anti-Christ entity weapons.

This type of extreme cognitive dissonance is what has defeated us. Can't even shun their products while just-as-good alternatives are available.

There are plenty of one shot kills with .22 rimfire however that doesn't make it the best choice for stopping the problem in its tracks before it kills you. If you want performance out of the mouse caliber I posted the solutions.

The Russians switched from 7.62 to 5.45 because they like to lose battles, right?

The People's Liberation Army uses a "mouse caliber" because they enjoy defeat, right?

.22 centerfire rounds are the most "cost-effective" all-around ammunition in combination of ballistics, per-man carrying capacity, and overall effectiveness. Sure, you want guaranteed one-round-every-time stopping power? Use .50 calibers! LOL

midnight rambler

5th January 2015, 02:54 PM

Fred, you have lost your mind. You have no idea what you're talking about - apparently all the info you posses regarding weapons and ammo has been gleaned from the interwebs. lol

while just-as-good alternatives are available.

You are so FOS. WHAT 'just as good' alternatives (in the secondary market since I can't make a purchase at a FFL due to no state issued ID)?? WHAT bullpup can I easily source thru the secondary market other than the Tavor?? I had an Arsenal (Made in Bulgaria) 5.56 folder and it was a very nice rifle however it did not come anywhere close to being as suitable for my purposes as the Tavor.

I utilize other calibers than strictly the 5.56.

Get a grip Fred.

crimethink

6th January 2015, 02:29 AM

Fred, you have lost your mind. You have no idea what you're talking about - apparently all the info you posses regarding weapons and ammo has been gleaned from the interwebs. lol

You fancy yourself an "expert" on weapons and other things, but in reality, you are the Mall Ninja projecting at others, including me.

You won't explain your extreme and sinful cognitive dissonance of supporting the satanic anti-Christ entity in Palestine.

You won't explain why your opinion is more valid than those who equip the major militaries of the world, including America, China, and Russia.

Why is that?

You are so FOS. WHAT 'just as good' alternatives (in the secondary market since I can't make a purchase at a FFL due to no state issued ID)??

Ah, there's that bullshit about "I drive around without a driver's license and without license plates" thing again.

You want to tell us that down there in the huge state of Texas you can't find someone to private party transfer you a Kosher gun?

WHAT bullpup can I easily source thru the secondary market other than the Tavor??

Changing the parameters in order to "justify" your willful, sinful support of the anti-Christ entity.

I wasn't referring to bullpups. There's nothing magical about bullpups.

Get a grip Fred.

Every time someone calls you on your bullshit, you go off like a mad woman. Get a grip? Me?

steyr_m

6th January 2015, 06:44 PM

I don't, I suppose you overlooked where I said I acquired mine on the secondary market.

There are plenty of one shot kills with .22 rimfire however that doesn't make it the best choice for stopping the problem in its tracks before it kills you. If you want performance out of the mouse caliber I posted the solutions. If you fail to DYODD then that's your problem not mine. What's worse is giving others the impression that the mouse caliber .223/5.56 gets the job done in a timely fashion. If one fails to use the appropriate ammo (the examples I posted which would also include the Federal Fusion round which is more readily available than the others I posted) then it can set one up for some extremely unpleasant disappointment.

Apples and oranges comparison. .300 AAC is an anemic .30 caliber and is nowhere near the energy and velocity of the 7.62x39 (the .300 AAC case is very limited on volume therefore can't put much charge in it). I'm a big fan of the TSX round and a TSX round loaded in .300 AAC fails to make the velocity threshold downrange for positive and reliable expansion of the TSX bullet, therefore there's no real point (unless you're running subsonic ammo thru a can) or benefit in utilizing the .300 AAC since you're stuck with the limited case capacity of the mouse caliber.

I still would buy a Sig 550 over a Tavor.

Whichever round you use -- fill your boots. When deployed, I wasn't concerned about being under powered.

I'd rather have a lower powered .30 than a .223 for something up close.

The 5.45x39 mm was a feared round in the 80's by the muzzies in Afg. The yaw on it is scary. Way better than the 5.56 NATO

midnight rambler

8th January 2015, 12:28 PM

The 5.45x39 mm was a feared round in the 80's by the muzzies in Afg. The yaw on it is scary. Way better than the 5.56 NATO

That's precisely why the Russians developed that round.

midnight rambler

8th January 2015, 12:40 PM

You want to tell us that down there in the huge state of Texas you can't find someone to private party transfer you a Kosher gun?

Are you REALLY that stupid to think that I would expose anyone to that sort of thing, or that I would even ask them to expose themselves like that??

You being extremely irrational and asinine on using the most appropriate battlerifle is exactly what I've heard from some regarding the very suitable and affordable AKs and SKS rifles - "I'd NEVER have one of those pieces of shit because they're products of those Communist rat bastards." Total nonsense.

There's nothing magical about bullpups.

No, but the Tavor meets my criteria: a very good platform for optics with enough room on the rail for flexibility, it's very compact and can be put into fast stealth mode easily, approaching AK reliability, the ergonomics are very good (much better than even the AR), can change out the barrel in the field, uses AR mags, multiple sling attachment points, etc. It could stand to be about a pound lighter.

Ah, there's that bullshit about "I drive around without a driver's license and without license plates" thing again.

Are you implying here that you depend upon the Zio-Beast occupiers to establish YOUR identity (you using a state issued ID?) because you're not man enough to determine who you are on your own?? And you condemn me for having something made in IsraHELL??

midnight rambler

8th January 2015, 05:22 PM

I still would buy a Sig 550 over a Tavor.

Sure. I checked gunjoker and there are currently only two complete Sig 550 rifles listed, one a starting bid of $8,800 (BIN price $12,000) and one with a BIN price of $9,995.

I'd take a MG42 over a Sig 550. lol

midnight rambler

8th January 2015, 05:23 PM

a Kosher gun

Oh, and fwiw I DO have a 'kosher gun' it's called a Tavor. lol

crimethink

9th January 2015, 05:39 PM

Are you REALLY that stupid to think that I would expose anyone to that sort of thing, or that I would even ask them to expose themselves like that??

"Expose themselves" to what? Do such "laws" apply to freemen like yourself and your associates? I thought such "laws" are irrelevant to you.

You being extremely irrational and asinine on using the most appropriate battlerifle is exactly what I've heard from some regarding the very suitable and affordable AKs and SKS rifles - "I'd NEVER have one of those pieces of shit because they're products of those Communist rat bastards." Total nonsense.

I have no problem with the weapons designed by a great man (Kalashnikov), intended to be used to protect his country honorably, even if most of the government was evil. Can't say the same about the satanic anti-Christ entity in Palestine, can we?

If "Israel's" weapons are free of charge, then it would, indeed, be irrational not to use them. But paying for them? Fuck that!

No, but the Tavor meets my criteria: a very good platform for optics with enough room on the rail for flexibility, it's very compact and can be put into fast stealth mode easily, approaching AK reliability, the ergonomics are very good (much better than even the AR), can change out the barrel in the field, uses AR mags, multiple sling attachment points, etc. It could stand to be about a pound lighter.

Folks, you've got it from Sukhoi Fan, right here! Only the Jews can produce a weapon that meets his "needs." :rolleyes:

Are you implying here that you depend upon the Zio-Beast occupiers to establish YOUR identity (you using a state issued ID?) because you're not man enough to determine who you are on your own?? And you condemn me for having something made in IsraHELL??

My identity is tied with Jesus Christ. The System may consider me whatever it wants; it can destroy my body, but not my soul, since it cannot own my soul. I do not operate a car because the State has "extended such 'privilege'"; I operate one because God gave me the inherent right to travel.