Why does Russia behave like Africa, when their Demographics are so Different ?

[gunDriller]

So, what does Russia make, besides Caviar and Faberge Eggs ?


And they seem to have an expertise in Electronic Warfare. One of their planes, using the Khibini EW pod, jammed an entire US AEGIS destroyer in the Black Sea in April 2014.

But that's not a consumer product.


Anyway, I admire Putin (compared to Obama ?).

Yet when I read about Russia, recently it's been about the effects of the Ruble FX drop. There was an article about iPhones costing more (Bummer ! /sarc)

One of the founders of Google is a Russian Jew, & obviously a skilled programmer.
There's plenty of other examples, like Paragraph, a large Russian 3D-oriented think-tank that was active in virtual reality in the 1990's.


Plus they have a large military which works (sometimes.) Evidence of some technical knowhow.


The ethnicity in Russia - Caucasian.

The ethnicity in Africa - African.


I understand why the Africans might have trouble assimilating into the digital & technology world, and allow themselves to have their vast natural resources stolen.

Russia does a little better job at getting paid for their resource extraction industries.


But if they were REALLY on the job, they would respond to the drop in oil prices by reducing their output and focussing their energies on more profitable industries.

Oil in the ground, for them (or most developed nations), is money in the bank.


I can only conclude, there is something about Russian society that massively frustrates technical innovation.

Specifically, I'm thinking that innovation is not rewarded.

But I don't know what that means.


So, what is it - Crime ?

Jew Parasites ?

I think the assignment of Russian industries & enterprises to the "Oligarchs", mostly Jews, probably also sucked life out of the economy.

Just imagine if the profits that are currently routed to about 10 Russian Jews, were spread among the entire population.


Anyway, just wondering why Russia exports so little technology.

[midnight rambler]

There's a tech sector in Africa too.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQb0d7rYp9o

[Olmstein]

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[Hatha Sunahara]

They make Ladas (Russian Fiat cars) Ural Motorcycles (BMW copies), Really good fighter planes (Sukhois, Migs) really big cargo planes (Antonov, Tupolev, Yak, Ilyushin) plus, they build large construction projects--dams, pipelines, railroads, nuclear power plants, and who could ignore the AK-47 assault weapon. And lots of vodka.

You could ask what Americans make. We make mortgage loans, insurance policies, Real Estate commissions, lawsuits and fast food. . More than half of the US economy is in the FIRE sector (FInance, Insurance, Real Estate). The other thing we make a lot of is 'hype' or propaganda, AKA lies because there's a sucker born every minute. Plus we have a government that's really good at stealing wealth from productive people and distibuting it to anyone who is its friend or has political clout to get a share of the spoils. We're also good at building prisons and putting people in them.

Hatha

[Publico]

Russia can launch people into outer space. Haven't heard of too many African countries doing that. Hell the U.S. can't do that anymore.

[gunDriller]

Russia can launch people into outer space. Haven't heard of too many African countries doing that. Hell the U.S. can't do that anymore.

that's part of what i don't understand.

they have good grasp of technology. and better relations with China, MAYBE, than the US.


(though China treats the US pretty good.

lets their people work for $1 a day. loans the US $3 Trillion.)


why doesn't Russia design stuff, have China make it, and export it to the West ?

[crimethink]

In what ways, exactly, does Russia "behave like Africa"?

You condemn Russia for not exporting "consumer" technology? Tell me, just what "consumer" technology does America export? Last I checked, "Made in China" is on 99% of "consumer" technology items.

Russia launched the first artificial satellite, and Russia retains technological prowess in space. After all, American astronauts ride to the ISS on Soyuz.

[Hatha Sunahara]

why doesn't Russia design stuff, have China make it, and export it to the West ?

It all boils down to the easy availabiity of money. In the west we can borrow lots of money at low interest rates for long term projects. The Russians can't do that because their central bank won't issue the necessary credit to get big businesses going. So the Russians have to borrow money from western banks which deem them a high risk country and charge them high interest rates. The Yeltsin government gave the Rothschilds a monopoly on granting credit by chartering the Central Bank of Russia. This bank conspires against Russia by restricting credit, and therefore restricting economic growth, and forcing the Russians to become debt slaves to foreign banks.There is no doubt in my mind that the Russians could become far more prosperous than the west if they threw out the banksters and issued their own money (interest free of course). They need the same thing the American Colonists had before 1753--colonial script--their own money which made them more prosperous than their the ordinary citizens of Great Britain. Putin wants to throw the banksters out--but that is a dangerous ambition. If he succeeds, then Russia, rather than America will become 'the home of the brave and the land of the free.'

Hatha

[Stop Making Cents]

They make Ladas (Russian Fiat cars) Ural Motorcycles (BMW copies), Really good fighter planes (Sukhois, Migs) really big cargo planes (Antonov, Tupolev, Yak, Ilyushin) plus, they build large construction projects--dams, pipelines, railroads, nuclear power plants, and who could ignore the AK-47 assault weapon. And lots of vodka.

You could ask what Americans make. We make mortgage loans, insurance policies, Real Estate commissions, lawsuits and fast food. . More than half of the US economy is in the FIRE sector (FInance, Insurance, Real Estate). The other thing we make a lot of is 'hype' or propaganda, AKA lies because there's a sucker born every minute. Plus we have a government that's really good at stealing wealth from productive people and distibuting it to anyone who is its friend or has political clout to get a share of the spoils. We're also good at building prisons and putting people in them.

Hatha

All that "russian" technology was stolen from German Nazis or developed by captured German scientists. As was some "American" technology.

[Stop Making Cents]

In what ways, exactly, does Russia "behave like Africa"?

You condemn Russia for not exporting "consumer" technology? Tell me, just what "consumer" technology does America export? Last I checked, "Made in China" is on 99% of "consumer" technology items.

Russia launched the first artificial satellite, and Russia retains technological prowess in space. After all, American astronauts ride to the ISS on Soyuz.
Captured German scientists created all of the space technology not the Russians. Proof positive that germans are superior.

[crimethink]

Captured German scientists created all of the space technology not the Russians. Proof positive that germans are superior.

Bullshit. I'm half-German, and, obviously, quite fond of my German heritage. But implying the Russians (any of the three) are stupid or "inferior" is idiotic. The Germans jump-started both the Russian & American space programs. Not ironically, the Russians have maintained it - America has not. Korolev was a brilliant man, and von Braun's equal.

[Neuro]

why doesn't Russia design stuff, have China make it, and export it to the West ?
It could have something to do with a remaining cultural heritage from Soviet Communism. Well designed consumer products were never a priority. It is now nearly a generation since Soviet communism collapsed, and I have started seeing some very well designed Vodka bottles, catering to the top end of the market (actually you only pay for the design of the bottle, as the actual product is one of the least diverse, good vodka is essentially pure spirits). I bet in another generation or so they could have a thriving consumer design industry in Russia, but 25 years ago there were no infrastructure or knowledge of this in Russia, and it takes time to build it up from scratch.

[vacuum]

I think it's a few things:

1) As Hatha mentioned, they can't borrow large amounts of money and don't have the financial infastructure and clout to artificially develop certain industries

2) Building on that, I think as Neuro mentioned, their cultural history with Communism has damaged them. In my opinion, it damaged the rule of law which hurt their banking and finance abilities menionted above..

3) They are up against nature. Every day they have to fight the elements for food and shelter to survive. That's why they make big pieces of machinery as opposed to electronics - because that's what they need in their environment. There are so few Russians compared to the natural and political forces against them, that they are always focused on surival. All their technology represents things they had to develop, whereas most of our technology represents things we did to create jobs or consumer demand for entertainment or gadgets.

[Shami-Amourae]

Bullshit. I'm half-German, and, obviously, quite fond of my German heritage. But implying the Russians (any of the three) are stupid or "inferior" is idiotic. The Germans jump-started both the Russian & American space programs. Not ironically, the Russians have maintained it - America has not. Korolev was a brilliant man, and von Braun's equal.

Russians are experts at low-tech.

Think of the AK-47 (Russia) versus the AR-15 (America).

The AK-47 is simple, reliable, and does what needs to be done but isn't as accurate as the AR-15. The AR-15 is more complicated, needs more cleaning/lubing, and complicated. When it does work correctly it shoots very accurately, but by then the AK-47 might have already beaten it.

My grandfather was a rocket scientist who was part of the Apollo program. He hated the US government's insane requirements for everything. He always complained about how you'd need pages of documentation for things as simple as screws that you could literally get at the hardware store. They were making a lot of the stuff from scratch when they didn't need to, too.

Related:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oRsyWwgpcM

[gunDriller]

Russians are experts at low-tech.

Think of the AK-47 (Russia) versus the AR-15 (America).

The AK-47 is simple, reliable, and does what needs to be done but isn't as accurate as the AR-15. The AR-15 is more complicated, needs more cleaning/lubing, and complicated. When it does work correctly it shoots very accurately, but by then the AK-47 might have already beaten it.

My grandfather was a rocket scientist who was part of the Apollo program. He hated the US government's insane requirements for everything.


nothing wrong with firearms as an export.

but it's not enough to support a large country like Russia.


as far as the US MIC ... there's nothing illegal with overlooking the $7 solution and telling engineers to pursue the $5 Million solution.

that happened to me on F22. they had a moisture problem on an electronic subsystem. the connectors were low-frequency.

i went to the auto parts store & got some dielectric grease.

it might have cost them $100K to get that dielectric grease on the approved parts list.

but mainly they wanted the $5 Million re-design, using moisture-gasketed connectors like are used on high voltage power supplies.

they told me, DO NOT PURSUE the cheap fix.

i told them, i'm not interested in writing the proposal for the big ticket re-design. and i asked to be transferred to a different project.

next stop, re-design of anther part of the F-22.


they are more comfortable telling the government, "we're improving it", than telling the truth, "it doesn't meet spec and we want our money anyway."