Adam Weishaupt

[mick silver]

Adam Weishaupthttp://www.thedailybell.com/images/library/Weishaupt.jpeg Who was he: Mystics have practiced the art of Illumination for centuries, but the term "Illuminati (http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/1927/)" was not used to describe this way of knowing until the 15th century. Occult enthusiasts who claimed to possess a way of knowing by directly communicating with an inner source through the practice of mysticism actually used the term first and it was used in Spain at the end of the 15th century when Ignatius Loyola, the founder of the Jesuits, said he was a member of the Illuminati. Through the years small groups that called themselves Illuminati have received a great deal of public attention because of their beliefs.
The organization started by Dr. Adam Weishaupt in 1776 is the best known Illuminati group. Weishaupt, a German philosopher, founded the Order of Illuminati on May 1st that year so it's no accident that the first day of May is considered an important day among witches. Weishaupt was involved in "Illumination," which was considered witchcraft.
Background: Adam Weishaupt was born on February 6, 1748 in Ingolstadt, Bavaria. Weishaupt's father died when Adam was five so he was raised by his godfather, Johann Adam Freiherr von Ickstatt, a professor of law at the University of Ingolstadt. Weishaupt began his studies at the age of seven at a Jesuit school and eventually enrolled at the University of Ingolstadt. He graduated in 1768, at age 20, with a doctorate of law degree. He became a professor of law in 1772, and married Afra Sausenhofer in 1773.
After Pope Clement XIV's suppression of the Jesuit Society in 1773, Weishaupt became a professor of canon law at the University of Ingolstadt. Ingolstadt University in Bavaria had been a Jesuit institution for decades and Weishaupt wanted to see the Jesuit Order come back into power so he developed a plan to help the Order take over the world. His plan was explained in a 1798 book called Proofs of a Conspiracy by John Robison, and is discussed in other books as well.
Weishaupt formed the secret society known as the Illuminati after experiencing an altered state during one of his illumination or witchcraft sessions. The Illuminati was a Luciferian type movement just like Freemasons (http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/28350/). The Society promoted and tried to preserve ancient Druid witchcraft and Black Arts of Babylon. The Society had only five members when Weishaupt began the Order.
Weishaupt and his members wanted to stay hidden from the masses so they used code names. Weishaupt was Spartacus and Baron von Knigge, another Illuminist, assumed the name Philo. In order to maintain security, the members would correspond using their pen names.
Weishaupt was initiated into a Munich Masonic Lodge in 1777, but his theory of enlightenment by "illumination" was not immediately welcomed by the group. He studied and developed Gnostic (http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/28176/) principles of his own, with the goal of perfecting human nature through the awareness of nature. He worked diligently to incorporate his ideas into Freemason thought.
In 1785, Weishaupt lost his professorship at the university due to his beliefs and teachings and was banished from Bavaria. He moved to Gotha and died there in 1811.

[mick silver]

GnosticismIntuitive knowledge, or the knowledge of transcendence, is often dismissed or ignored for a variety of reasons. The modern world has moved away from this innate knowing and it has been replaced by physical knowledge that can be been verified by a scientific or religious source. But all religious beliefs as well as scientific knowledge are rooted in the intuitive knowledge that ancient cultures called gnosis. Gnosis was the way to salvation for the soul in ancient Christianity, Hellenistic Judaism, NeoPlatonism, and Greco-Roman mystery religions. They believed that the material world was created by an intermediary being rather than directly by God.
This intermediary being was imperfect in some of these old systems and in others it was actually evil. Gnostic schools sometimes identify these intermediary beings as Samael, Satan, Adam, Yahweh, Ahriman and Yaldabaoth.
Some of the early Gnostic sects inserted traditional interpretations into the Hebrew Bible, leading some Jewish scholars to claim that Gnosticism was the greatest example of metaphysical anti-Semitism. Other scholars say that Jewish mysticism or Kabbalah is gnostic since new findings reveal that Gnosticism's origins are rooted in Jewish Hekhalot mysticism.
The definition of Gnosticism can be difficult to state succinctly since it is not based on tangible principles that conform to scientific. One commonly cited definition states, "Gnosticism expresses a specific religious experience that does not lend itself to the language of philosophy or theology but is closely associated with and expresses itself through myths." Most Gnostic scriptures are written like myths. There is some truth in all myths and these truths may or may not conform to statements of philosophy or the dogma of theology. For example, Gnostics believe that the world is flawed because it was created in a flawed way since it is filled with suffering.
The Gnostic viewpoint claims there's a transcendent God who is above all the created universes but this God never created anything in terms of creating as we understand it. The Gnostic God did bring forth a substance that is all there is in the world of the visible and invisible. This God exists in the substance of things physical and non-physical. But the separation of the ego consciousness from its divine essence has created unwholesome beliefs we experience. Worshipping the cosmos, or even nature, as well as any sort of physical creature is like worshipping corrupt portions of the emanated divine essence, in the minds of Gnostics.
Basic Gnostic myths have several variations but they all refer to intermediate deific beings that exist between the ultimate source of all that is. These beings and the source comprise the realm of fullness where the power of consciousness operates. This fullness stands in contrast to the emptiness of this existential state we experience. One of these beings is called Sophia or 'Wisdom,' who created from her own being a flawed consciousness; that being created the material of the cosmos, which is riddled with flaws. That being was unaware of its origins so he imagined himself as the absolute God.
Gnostics believe that humans are ignorant of the divine spark within them. This ignorance is fostered by the false creator and his Archons, who keep men and women ignorant of their true nature. Attachment to earthly things makes us slaves to these lower cosmic rulers. Death releases the divine spark, but if work has not been done by the soul prior to death, it will be hurled back into the contrast and suffering of the physical world.
Gnosticism promotes a general attitude toward life and it encourages non-conformity and non-attachment to the physical world. Some Gnostics call it "being in the world, but not of the world" (interestingly, a command of Jesus in the New Testament of the Bible). That means blending the ego with the inner self and cultivating a respect for the dignity and freedom of all life. Gnostics do that by developing individual guidelines they can use throughout their life.

[mick silver]

Freemasons Talk Out of Both Sides of Their Mouth
We read again from the above quote, "Masons believe there is one God and one God only." (SOURCE: California Freemason Online (http://www.freemason.org/cfo/jan_feb_2002/poets.htm), The Meaning of "the Great Architect of the Universe")
Anyone who denies the fundamental doctrines of the Word of God, and teaches heresy, is a deceiver. All Muslims are deceivers. 1st John 2:22 plainly calls them "liars" and "antichrists" ...

"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son."
Muslims outright deny the Sonship of Jesus Christ; therefore, Islam is of the Devil. Islam is a damnable organization, who denies Jesus Christ. Don't believe the lie, not for one second--that Muslims and Christians worship the SAME God. No, we don't!
The Koran clearly states in, The Women 4.171 (http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/k/koran/koran-idx?type=simple&q1=say+not&size=First+100), that God has NO Son. In sharp contrast, John 3:16 in the Word of God declares that God DOES have a Son, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." The Koran even goes as far as to claim that Jesus never died, nor was He crucified (The Women, 4.157 (http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/k/koran/koran-idx?type=simple&q1=son&size=First+100)). Clearly, Islam and Christianity are DIAMETRICALLY opposed. Yet, the Devil comes to us through MANY false prophets today, even President George W. Bush, who falsely claims that Christians and Muslims worship the SAME God. Allah is a pagan god, who has no son.
Jesus Christ is Almighty God (John 10:33; Revelation 1:8), the second Person of the Godhead (John 1:1-3,10; Matthew 28:19-20), the Christ (Luke 2:11), and He is the Son of God (John 3:16)! 1st John 4:14 declares, "And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world." Over 1,000,000,000 Muslims deny Jesus Christ as Savior, and are headed straight for Hell.
How can Freemasons claim to believe in ONE God when it is clear from the above comparison that Islam and Christianity are diametrically opposed to each other. Clearly, they are two DIFFERENT Gods. So Freemasons speak foolishly when they claim to believe in one God. Either God has a Son or not. Either Jesus died on the cross or He didn't. You can't have it both ways. Therefore, Freemasonry is a false religion, which adheres to the same New Age mentality that all roads lead to the light. Salvation is found ONLY in Christ Jesus according to John 14:6, "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." Anyone who teaches otherwise is a LIAR!

[mick silver]

"And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible." —Isaiah 13:11

[expat4ever]

This is why religion doesnt work. According to the above and what you have been taught, a billion people are condemned to hell for believing the wrong religion.

But then we have those billion saying a billion Christians are condemed to hell for not believing in Islam.

Then we have, who knows how many people, who lived BC and before religion as we know it today. What happens to those billions who lived back then?

The all loving Christian god would condemn billions to hell for believing in something they were taught at birth? Or something they were never taught at all?

In my mind, if Christianity was so right they wouldnt have needed to destroy entire civilizations because they wouldnt convert. Be a christian or die. Not really much of a choice and not a religion I would like to be associated with.

[Neuro]

This is why religion doesnt work. According to the above and what you have been taught, a billion people are condemned to hell for believing the wrong religion.

But then we have those billion saying a billion Christians are condemed to hell for not believing in Islam.

Then we have, who knows how many people, who lived BC and before religion as we know it today. What happens to those billions who lived back then?

The all loving Christian god would condemn billions to hell for believing in something they were taught at birth? Or something they were never taught at all?

It doesn't add up does it. Every religion has some good and some bad people, but they claim that only the people who believe like they say their God told them can go to heaven, the rest goes to hell, and there is only one God, but virtually everyone who believes in God have a different opinion on what God is, even those who read the same book and belongs to the same sect. I don't know, maybe some has gotten it nearly right re God or not...

[crimethink]

This is why religion doesnt work. According to the above and what you have been taught, a billion people are condemned to hell for believing the wrong religion.

But then we have those billion saying a billion Christians are condemed to hell for not believing in Islam.

Then we have, who knows how many people, who lived BC and before religion as we know it today. What happens to those billions who lived back then?

The all loving Christian god would condemn billions to hell for believing in something they were taught at birth? Or something they were never taught at all?

In my mind, if Christianity was so right they wouldnt have needed to destroy entire civilizations because they wouldnt convert. Be a christian or die. Not really much of a choice and not a religion I would like to be associated with.

No one is condemned for what they do not know.

"Christianity" has not "destroyed entire civilizations."

[old steel]

Holy shit mick, you'd make a hell of a preacher.

Business would be good, it would be so good.

Merry Christmas bro.

[zap]

Its hard for me to understand I read all of what you wrote Mick.

But if the bible is real/true then who were these people before Adam and Eve? The pagans.... why wasn't the almighty God here in the beginning ?

Since he was the beginning, and he made Adam.... and Eve out of Adams rib what and where were all the people doing before hand and why did he suddenly show up? To make the father and mother of all?

Constantine put the first bible together picking and choosing which books he wanted in it ... during the Roman empire, then King James decided he was the chosen one to re-write it .

I believe in a (God a almighty power but am skeptical about the real truth.)

[old steel]

You want the truth zap, the real truth?

You're looking in the wrong direction.

[zap]

Ok which direction then? show me the way. I was raised Pentecostal I don't think that is the way.

I don't think any of us will really learn the truth, even after we die.

[old steel]

zap, the truth is inside you gotta know this by now.

You are an eternal being.

I'll prove it to you.

Take the very first memory you have of yourself in real life, for me i was barely 4 years old.

That is me.

Then think of a memory of yourself when you were older like a young teenager.

That is the same me.

Now think of your self right here, right now.

That is still the same me.

Does death change that?

Not a chance.

I am not my body.

[Horn]

I am not my body.

or those memories contained in it.

[old steel]

or those memories contained in it.

I would seriously hate to come back here and do it all over again with the same results.

[Twisted Titan]

I believe the higher power is all powerful.

(He) can do anything.

If he wanted something done a particular we dont have any discreation on the matter.

For example you and I MUST breathe air to live.

You will fall off a cliff if you walk over the edge.

There is no discreation on those points.

The same logic can be applied to religion.

If God wanted us all to worship or see (Him) in one particular way.

You wouldnt have any control over it.

The fact that choice exists is the stamp of approval.

Cause if he wanted it ONE WAY it would have been ONE WAY.

PERIOD.

[singular_me]

Zap, beside killing, lying to mislead, and stealing, there is no truth... and that's the only truth... all the rest is about perceptions based on the knowledge at the specific moment of inquiry.

thats why we can debate and argue for hours/days just about anything. There are not two minds thinking alike.

Ideologies are one-size-fit all... cannot work and never will.

There lies the strength of the NWO, making one beliefs that man's laws are truths while twisting all of them. And now we live in a multi-layer of lies that can only come down if we let it go, so the matrix can collapse under its own weight.

[singular_me]

This is why religion doesnt work..... this is what Krishnamurti means here, but of course, believers see him as a false prophet and send him to hell. LOL


You know, if we understand one question rightly, all questions are answered. But we don't know how to ask the right question. To ask the right question demands a great deal of intelligence and sensitivity. Here is a question, a fundamental question: is life a torture? It is, as it is; and man has lived in this torture centuries upon centuries, from ancient history to the present day, in agony, in despair, in sorrow; and he doesn't find a way out of it. Therefore he invents gods, churches, all the rituals, and all that nonsense, or he escapes in different ways. What we are trying to do, during all these discussions and talks here, is to see if we cannot radically bring about a transformation of the mind, not accept things as they are, nor revolt against them. Revolt doesn't answer a thing. You must understand it, go into it, examine it, give your heart and your mind, with everything that you have, to find out a way of living differently. That depends on you, and not on someone else, because in this there is no teacher, no pupil; there is no leader; there is no guru; there is no Master, no Saviour. You yourself are the teacher and the pupil; you are the Master; you are the guru; you are the leader; you are everything. And to understand is to transform what is. I think that will be enough, won't it? -- Jiddu Krishnamurti




This is why religion doesnt work. According to the above and what you have been taught, a billion people are condemned to hell for believing the wrong religion.

But then we have those billion saying a billion Christians are condemed to hell for not believing in Islam.

Then we have, who knows how many people, who lived BC and before religion as we know it today. What happens to those billions who lived back then?

The all loving Christian god would condemn billions to hell for believing in something they were taught at birth? Or something they were never taught at all?

In my mind, if Christianity was so right they wouldnt have needed to destroy entire civilizations because they wouldnt convert. Be a christian or die. Not really much of a choice and not a religion I would like to be associated with.

[singular_me]

ROFLOL... now you speak like the loving christian while you have spoken otherwise so many times.

it is not just you but all other people having other beliefs, and casting those who do not share the latter, sending/condemning ALL OF THEM to hell.

The adamic chosen ones know the mind of God and are made at his image... DNA supremacy is against the uniqueness of every being.

we have gazillions of muslims/christians/jews/hindus/buddhists out there ready to send each others to hell... we are what we think and our projections/intents always come true..

time to abolish state sponsored religions (collectivism) so they can all go back to their cult denomination. Believe what you want but dont to push it down the throat of anybody.

My faith is holier than yours = COLLECTIVISM

Christianity has done enough damages, because of it we are centuries late in our evolution. But thats the goal of ALL religions. Controlling knowledge.

Understanding the Greater Reality is grasping that there is room for every train of thoughts that can be shared and compared to make sense of the BIG puzzle of Existence... that's why we, as sentient beings exist. To give God/Natural Laws a meaning.



No one is condemned for what they do not know.

"Christianity" has not "destroyed entire civilizations."

[singular_me]

this planet is a tough free will experiment... look for andrew bartzis on youtube. This guy speaks in term of akashic records... very interesting. Could make sense that the NWO is trying to prevent souls from understanding infinite awareness, in which case souls are reincarnated on another/same prison planet. The same enslavement takes place on a different dimension, spiritual plane too... but "getting what is happening" will get one out of maze as everything is energy, vibrations/frequencies...

this would explain what many religions say when describing a certain "heaven or after life"...

The Akashic Records are the individual records of a soul from the time it leaves its point of origin until its return. At the time we make the decision to experience Life as an independent entity, there is a field of energy created to record every thought, word, emotion, and action generated by that experience. That field of energy is the Akashic Records. Akashic because it is composed of Akasha, (the energetic substance from which all life is formed); and Records, because its objective is to record all life experience.


there is so much more occurring, NWO/zionism is just the tip of the iceberg as its scale is multi-dimensional.

learning about "Infinite Awareness" or "becoming infinitely aware" is the real name of the game


I would seriously hate to come back here and do it all over again with the same results.

[Horn]

I would seriously hate to come back here and do it all over again with the same results.

Results will be left behind, your original position is left unchanged by experience, and rather permanent as you mentioned.

"Experience" has no place in heaven, its only a matter in this realm, or rather "the matter" in this realm.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK8N6DjJccc

[crimethink]

I believe the higher power is all powerful.

(He) can do anything.

If he wanted something done a particular we dont have any discreation on the matter.

For example you and I MUST breathe air to live.

You will fall off a cliff if you walk over the edge.

There is no discreation on those points.

The same logic can be applied to religion.

If God wanted us all to worship or see (Him) in one particular way.

You wouldnt have any control over it.

The fact that choice exists is the stamp of approval.

Cause if he wanted it ONE WAY it would have been ONE WAY.

PERIOD.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

(...)

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

[crimethink]

ROFLOL... now you speak like the loving christian while you have spoken otherwise so many times.

Have fun at your Christmas party hanging out with banksters. LOL


well I have arrived in the big apple an will spend xmas eve in a NJ multi-million dollar home with CFOs/CEOs and bankers

[7th trump]

I believe the higher power is all powerful.

(He) can do anything.

If he wanted something done a particular we dont have any discreation on the matter.

For example you and I MUST breathe air to live.

You will fall off a cliff if you walk over the edge.

There is no discreation on those points.

The same logic can be applied to religion.

If God wanted us all to worship or see (Him) in one particular way.

You wouldnt have any control over it.

The fact that choice exists is the stamp of approval.

Cause if he wanted it ONE WAY it would have been ONE WAY.

PERIOD.

And if you would have read the bible it specifically states that for those who didnt have a chance coming out of the gate...well for instance say todays Hindu's........being born of that culture they arent subject to the Bible and wont ever know they have to go through Christ to remain created to live forever.
What you have here is those who do come through Christ the second "death" has no sting....thats saying they arent judged again...they made it the first time.
However, there is still other religions that dont practice going through Christ. In the book of Revelation satan is chained up after the return of Christ and Christ rules for a 1000 years with a rod of iron......and then after that 1000 years satan is released for a short time.
After this short time is over those who dont overcome this time....the second death has a bite.
Dont get the Bible wrong...those who committed crimes such as rape, kidnapping, murder, ect dont get to be ruled for a 1000 years to get that second chance at everlasting life.
However for crimes of passion murder is treated differently. Murder is to lay in wait to take a life.....killing your husband for cheating deals with love and heart break....its treated differently.
If they committed murder in the time before the 1000 years they are done and wait destruction....they received the sting of the first death and wait for the pit to open up and thrown in and destroyed. And all memory of them are wiped from those who over come.
Just what do you think these muslim terrorists goof balls are up against when they stand in front of God beause they are guilty of murdering in His name?
Do you think they will get that second chance....they know all about Christ and persecute Christians by slicing their throats.

This is why I have no remorse for muslims no matter what age or sex who take pictures of themselves holding heads of Christians and innocent kids. And these same murderers murder their own and those who are murdered are estopple of ever being able to grasp their chnace at Christ. Maybe by the grace of God Himself He'll allow them to be ruled by Christ in that 1000 years.....I hope!

So please dont judge me about my views of muslims..... I dont know of any other religion that murderes in the name of God as these filthy satanic worshipping muslims do.

So no TT its not as you beleive being one way.
God gave everyone the gift of "free will" and if it was as you beleive "one way" then free will cant exist.

[Horn]

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

Jesus, alias Buddah, Allah, Christ, Crimthink, Horn, and Simon.

It would be ignorant to suggest God were so dumb as to place one egg in a single basket.

[7th trump]

Read Genesis over again to answer your question....if I remember correctly you dont even have to read far in.

The Tree of Life or-
The tree of knowledge of good and evil

Its a no brainer here.
You have to go through Christ to acheive everlasting life.........correct?
Which tree do you think Christ is?

What was it Eve knew after partaking of the forbidden fruit?.....(it wasnt an apple either)
She knew right from wrong (isnt that knowledge of good and evil?)....correct?
So what do you suppose partaking of the forbidden fruit is?

For the more intelligent ones ....are any of you picking up on whats going on between Christ and lucifer?
Theres a history here.
What does lucifer come as when hes kicked to earth to fool the earth?
Its a tree but which tree is play acting as?

He wants to be Christ "anti" in the greek means "instead of".
Hes the "instead of christ"....a fake imposter!

[singular_me]

I will have "my" fun spreading confusion in their minds. They will remember me. None of them are NWO big shots but mere blind followers. Just like many.

it is because I couldnt stand this mindset that I embarked on my road trip... but once a year I have to deal with them and THIS year, I will play as smart as I can. :)

ooh and by the way, CT, multi-culturalism and suprmacy come down to same as they are two extremes, both seek to suppress the Uniqueness of other beings.



Have fun at your Christmas party hanging out with banksters. LOL

[Horn]

She knew right from wrong (isnt that knowledge of good and evil?)....correct?
So what do you suppose partaking of the forbidden fruit is?

Don't try and weasel your way out of past transgressions upon me at this point, 7th. lol

We are men here, you will judged accordingly.

[7th trump]

Don't try and weasel your way out of past transgressions upon me at this point, 7th. lol

We are men here, you will judged accordingly.

Ohhh really?
I'm so far ahead of you and I'm not saying I'm perfect either.....................to be forgiven you must forgive.

[7th trump]

I will have "my" fun spreading confusion in their minds. They will remember me. None of them are NWO big shots but mere blind followers. Just like many.

it is because I couldnt stand this mindset that I embarked on my road trip... but once a year I have to deal with them and THIS year, I will play as smart as I can. :)

Doesnt surprise me that you'd go the route of satan by spreading confusion. Negetives are never positives.
You'll be judged by your own actions.

[Horn]

Ohhh really?
I'm so far ahead of you and I'm not saying I'm perfect either.....................to be forgiven you must forgive.

I believe you're perfect in every way.

7th however is not, and quite in need of only chunky black coal for Christmas.

[midnight rambler]

I'm so far ahead of you

lol

Pride goeth before destruction and haughtiness goeth before a fall.

[7th trump]

lol

Pride goeth before destruction and haughtiness goeth before a fall.

You know....you just dont get it do you?

[midnight rambler]

You know....you just dont get it do you?

Gawd how I love irony.

You really have no clue as to the importance of humility, huh?

[7th trump]

I believe you're perfect in every way.

7th however is not, and quite in need of only chunky black coal for Christmas.

I really dont do christmas.

Christ wasnt born on Dec 25.............try late Sept around the 21 or 22.
Please reffer to the Bible and pay attention to the scripture when the angel appraoched Mary.....a certain plant was blooming at the time....and it only blooms for a short time period....really short!
That alone gives you the time Mary was with child thus pushing 9 months down the road bringing to Sept.
Theres a lot of hidden knowledge if you LOOK!

[7th trump]

Gawd how I love irony.

You really have no clue as to the importance of humility, huh?

Like I said....you just dont get it do you!

Why do you think I said in the same sentence you must foregive to be foregiven.....thats humbling yourself.
Thanks for showing everyone you just like to pick and choose what you want to hear and not hear.
You're not an honset person are you!

Most dishonest people like yourself dont see their faults and wish not to...take for instance the protests in Missouri

[Horn]

Theres a lot of hidden knowledge if you LOOK!

First we're avoiding the tree of knowledge, then binge mode is an appropriate method.

This addictive cycle in vice and vain will not do.

[7th trump]

First we're avoiding the tree of knowledge, then binge mode is an appropriate method.

This addictive cycle in vice and vain will not do.

Go sleep it off and come back when you are sober!

[Horn]

Go sleep it off and come back when you are sober!

Try as you may in all your futility, 7th, you aren't carrying any knowledge with you to the other side.

Faith to do so, is the failure of mankind.

[crimethink]

Jesus, alias Buddah, Allah, Christ, Crimthink, Horn, and Simon.

It would be ignorant to suggest God were so dumb as to place one egg in a single basket.

You assume that He would not have a plan different than yours.

If you know about Jesus Christ, you are obligated to make a decision about Him.

[crimethink]

I will have "my" fun spreading confusion in their minds. They will remember me. None of them are NWO big shots but mere blind followers. Just like many.

it is because I couldnt stand this mindset that I embarked on my road trip... but once a year I have to deal with them and THIS year, I will play as smart as I can.

You wouldn't have been invited to such a party unless they recognize you as one of their own...in other words, a fellow follower of Lucifer, even if in a different form.

Just "mere blind followers"? How you described them: "with CFOs/CEOs and bankers."

[zap]

I really dont do christmas.

Christ wasnt born on Dec 25.............try late Sept around the 21 or 22.
Please reffer to the Bible and pay attention to the scripture when the angel appraoched Mary.....a certain plant was blooming at the time....and it only blooms for a short time period....really short!
That alone gives you the time Mary was with child thus pushing 9 months down the road bringing to Sept.
Theres a lot of hidden knowledge if you LOOK!


Not to pick at you 7th But Its weird that we have only had 1 immaculate conception and before that people lived here on earth for many, many years then all the sudden the messiah is born ..... I am leaning more towards brainwashing for the majority..... I do think there is a higher power ... abet possibly a alien being and yea we can call him/her GOD,

But what about all these bible stories GOD is the beginning and the end. Well why wasnt he here in the beginning? Before the Garden of Eden, he just popped in and created a garden and made Adam then Eve? was it before or after that he gave Mary the immaculate conception>?what about all the people that were here before then ?? Where did they come from?? I wish someone could answer me that..... Where did all the people come from before GOD?

[Santa]

Not to pick at you 7th But Its weird that we have only had 1 immaculate conception and before that people lived here on earth for many, many years then all the sudden the messiah is born ..... I am leaning more towards brainwashing for the majority..... I do think there is a higher power ... abet possibly a alien being and yea we can call him/her GOD,

But what about all these bible stories GOD is the beginning and the end. Well why wasnt he here in the beginning? Before the Garden of Eden, he just popped in and created a garden and made Adam then Eve? was it before or after that he gave Mary the immaculate conception>?what about all the people that were here before then ?? Where did they come from?? I wish someone could answer me that..... Where did all the people come from before GOD?

Not to mention, if Jesus was immaculately conceived, then why wasn't he immaculately born? Why bother waiting nine months? Why all the muss and fuss? Why not just pop the divine bun in the microwave, and have it be done in minutes right then and there? I mean, there's no telling what Mary might have gotten up to during that long pregnancy. Baby Jesus might have been born a crack/wino baby or something. :)

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It would be nice to have some kind of answer. Blind faith doesn't work for me .

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Not to mention, if Jesus was immaculately conceived, then why wasn't he immaculately born? Why bother waiting nine months? Why all the muss and fuss? Why not just pop the divine bun in the microwave, and have it be done in minutes right then and there?

Because Christ was both God and fully human. And humans have this thing about gestating for about nine months.

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It would be nice to have some kind of answer. Blind faith doesn't work for me .

What answer are you looking for? Blind faith didn't work for me, either. But if you want to be blind, you might not see the evidence.

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I am looking for the true answer... I am not blind, I see too many truths... which are not.

I'm just trying to figure out what is blind faith and what is actually the truth.

I figure that there are alot of people here who have studied the bible and have more insight then I.


So I asked the questions, don't ask me to rely on blind faith because you said so Mr.

Merry Christmas my friend!

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I am looking for the true answer... I am not blind, I see too many truths... which are not.

I'm just trying to figure out what is blind faith and what is actually the truth.

I figure that there are alot of people here who have studied the bible and have more insight then I.


So I asked the questions, don't ask me to rely on blind faith because you said so Mr.

Merry Christmas my friend!

I never ask anyone to accept what I could not accept on "blind faith." But you must be open to seeing. I struggled to deny what was there for a long time. You must dismiss both what poopular "culture" and organized religion expect of you. Christ was not and is not about organized religion.

I (briefly) answered your questions in the other thread.

Merry Christmas to you and yours, as well.

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Ron Wyatt seems like an honest sincere man to me and he has an interesting story to tell. He claims to have found the ark of the covenant and had a blood sample tested from it. This is his story in this video.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AbVOdRigOA