Allegiance vs Citizenship

[palani]

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[palani]

This snippet came to us from the U.S. Supreme Court in 1795 in the case of Talbot vs Janson, a Writ of Error, in the nature of an Appeal, from the Circuit Court for the District of South Carolina. A libel was filed against Edward Ballard, Captain of an armed vessel, called L'Ami de la Liberte, on the Admiralty side of the District Court in South Carolina, in June, 1794, by Joost Janson, late master of the Brigantine Magdalena (then lying in Charleston, within the jurisdiction of the Court) in which it was set forth, that the Brigantine and her cargo were the property of Citizens of the United Netherlands, a nation at peace and in treaty with the United States of America; that the Brigantine sailed from Curaccoa, on a voyage to Amsterdam; but, on the 16th of May, 1794 , being about fifteen miles N.W. of the Havanna, on the west side of Cuba, she was taken possession of by L'Ami de la Liberte.

[madfranks]

Unfortunately the distinction does us no good today, as those in power don't recognize them as being any different.

[palani]

Unfortunately the distinction does us no good today, as those in power don't recognize them as being any different.

Just as my yeas are yeas and my nays are nays .... the definitions I choose are of my own choice. For me review of the historical meaning of words and concepts are vital.

When allegiance is the topic then the discussion is about LAND and nothing else. When monarchs represented countries you might have knelt in front of yours while holding his right hand in both yours and agree to ransom him if he is captured (review the rules of chess here) and to fight at least a bit in each of his wars. In exchange you received a portion of land for your maintenance.