What's your EQ...Empathy Quotient?

[Santa]

So much fuss is made of genius IQ levels. Scholarships, high ranking positions, hero worship, etc, but what about empathy? Is there such thing as empathic genius?
If so, then who are they? What might their impact be on the world, and why are they given so little credibility or appreciation?

https://psychology-tools.com/empathy-quotient/

[Shami-Amourae]

Your Empathy Quotient score was 9 out of a possible 80.

Scores of 30 or less indicate a lack of empathy common in people with Autism or Asperger’s Syndrome.


I won?

[mick silver]

31 is it safe to come out now ............. did I win

[mick silver]

Your Empathy Quotient score was 42 out of a possible 80. click Strongly Agree to all .... Your Empathy Quotient score was 38 out of a possible 80. click Strongly Disagree

[singular_me]

for that type of test, I usually prefer 5 possible answers instead of 4 as not all situations are same.. There no one size-fit all answer.

but here it is
Your Empathy Quotient score was 39 out of a possible 80

I also dont go by judeo-christianism that equates sacrifice to altruism/empathy... helping others, YES.. but not putting myself at risk for sure. been there, done that. Learned my lesson :)

the most empathic people are emotionally balanced (wise and not too judgmental), as one's balance or lack thereof always improves or affects the whole

what was your score santa?

[milehi]

34. For today.

[Sparky]

I scored 57.

[Santa]

what was your score santa?

Your Empathy Quotient score was 71 out of a possible 80.

Scores above 30 are generally not indicitive of an Autism Spectrum disorder.

[Cebu_4_2]

Your Empathy Quotient score was 29 out of a possible 80.
Scores of 30 or less indicate a lack of empathy common in people with Autism or Asperger’s Syndrome.

[EE_]

Your Empathy Quotient score was 39 out of a possible 80.
Scores above 30 are generally not indicitive of an Autism Spectrum disorder.

[EE_]

Mr. Ares needs to take the test, since he failed the last one

[singular_me]

dont worry... you rock, IMHO


Your Empathy Quotient score was 29 out of a possible 80.
Scores of 30 or less indicate a lack of empathy common in people with Autism or Asperger’s Syndrome.

[singular_me]

Your Empathy Quotient score was 39 out of a possible 80.
Scores above 30 are generally not indicitive of an Autism Spectrum disorder.

we have the same score

I often selected slight agree/disagree because some questions were just on the edge.

and how about you?

[EE_]

we have the same score

I often selected slight agree/disagree because some questions were just on the edge.

and how about you?

A lot were slight...Im just glad I don't have Asperger’s

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/4845343/nashville-deacon-whew-o.gif

[Neuro]

38 here!

[Neuro]

A lot were slight...Im just glad I don't have Asperger’s

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/4845343/nashville-deacon-whew-o.gif
Being glad not having Aspbergers is generally an indication of not having Aspbergers. Being sad about having Aspbergers would also...

[EE_]

Being glad not having Aspbergers is generally an indication of not having Aspbergers. Being sad about having Aspbergers would also...

http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/1/23630000/ngbbs4f09cb845a35f.jpg

[Tumbleweed]

52 out of 80 for me.

[Hitch]

I scored 57.

Pretty close to my score of 59. Probably why I like and agree with most all your posts on the forum!

[Neuro]

http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/1/23630000/ngbbs4f09cb845a35f.jpg

Nice buns!

[EE_]

Still waiting for Mr. Ares....

http://whyfiles.org/shorties/132cerebellum/images/tapping.gif
http://davidkanigan.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/gif_foot_tapping.gif?w=600

[Neuro]

Pretty close to my score of 59. Probably why I like and agree with most all your posts on the forum!
Obviously being un-narcissistic is different... ;D

[Santa]

"Empathy is the experience of understanding another person's condition from their perspective. You place yourself in their shoes and feel what they are feeling. Empathy is known to increase prosocial (helping) behaviors. While American culture might be socializing people into becoming more individualistic rather than empathic, research has uncovered the existence of "mirror neurons," which react to emotions expressed by others and then reproduce them."

[Hitch]

Obviously being un-narcissistic is different... ;D

Nah, I think there's some brain differences there. Sparky is one very intelligent person. I am not. :)

[milehi]

My score would be higher but I have a case of the fuck its today.

[Hitch]

My score would be higher but I have a case of the fuck its today.

That's the discrepancy with these tests, they really depend upon your mood at the moment.

[milehi]

That's the discrepancy with these tests, they really depend upon your mood at the moment.

it's been over a month and I still don't have a cause of death for my younger brother and they won't release his body. I'm tired of dealing with these fuckers.

[EE_]

it's been over a month and I still don't have a cause of death for my younger brother and they won't release his body. I'm tired of dealing with these fuckers.

I hope you get a resolution soon. What a sucky time of year to be dealing with something like that.
I hope you and the family are managing okay.
Sorry bro for your loss.

[Hitch]

How can they hold him for so long? Aren't you allowed a proper funeral?

I should go to sleep, been deprived, but reading this is making me fuming mad. This is so wrong.

[Horn]

I got an F.U. on this test, Sant

[crimethink]

Your Empathy Quotient score was 25 out of a possible 80.

Scores of 30 or less indicate a lack of empathy common in people with Autism or Asperger’s Syndrome.




I'm glad that "how someone 'feels'" does not rule my decision-making. That's for leftist lunatics unable to deal with reality. I try to be sympathetic to those suffering, but I can't compromise the facts just because some people don't like and/or can't handle it.

Often, we are expected to have unconditional empathy for those who create their own problems. I'm always ready to lend a helping hand to someone who lands flat on their face, but when it becomes a habit, I have to move on.

Perhaps, instead of calling this test an "Empathy Quotient" test, it could be properly called a "Political Correctness" test.

[7th trump]

27 out of 80

[singular_me]

santa, I agree with your definition but sorry, empathy doesnt mean anything anymore by today criteria.... lets see:

a bunch of empathic collectivists chatting together... commercials for/by UNICEF, and other charitable orgs... wall street insiders banding together... meme empathy (cultural, religious)... and so on.

The people who are behind those tests are messed up , or sold to/by the system to start with. It's fun doing them, but I cant take them seriously

for empathy to be put to the test on a grand scale, a disaster is needed.

edit: empathy is, like I said earlier: being wise, not too judgmental, to be able to help within one's boundaries and use adequate vocabulary when disagreeing.



"Empathy is the experience of understanding another person's condition from their perspective. You place yourself in their shoes and feel what they are feeling. Empathy is known to increase prosocial (helping) behaviors. While American culture might be socializing people into becoming more individualistic rather than empathic, research has uncovered the existence of "mirror neurons," which react to emotions expressed by others and then reproduce them."

[crimethink]

27 out of 80

Oh, no, Trump, you and I are "anti-social" types. LOL

[monty]

I flunked too, I scored 26.

[crimethink]

I flunked too, I scored 26.

You "flunked" only if you accord the test an undeserving sense of accuracy & relevance.

[EE_]

Oh, no, Trump, you and I are "anti-social" types. LOL

Yep, like...
http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/254/7/4/two_peas_in_a_pod_by_smilejustbcuz-d49le8i.jpg

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/28315520.jpg

[monty]

Actually I view it much the same as you do, politically correct horseshit.

[crimethink]

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/28315520.jpg

Rather interesting that this "test" accorded you a much higher score than I, yet you have no trouble making fun of a disability that those with it cannot help. So much for it "judging empathy."

[Santa]

I don't doubt that the EQ test is bullsh*t, much like IQ tests,... I do know that empathy is a very real sensory perception.


research has uncovered the existence of "mirror neurons," which react to emotions expressed by others and then reproduce them."

Mirror neurons.


http://youtu.be/XzMqPYfeA-s


http://youtu.be/xmEsGQ3JmKg

[zap]

My score was 98 out of 100 I have empathy towards others , I feel for people, I grieve for the lost and lorn. I have the ability to understand and share the feelings for others unless they are assholes then, I am I one of the others.

[Neuro]

Rather interesting that this "test" accorded you a much higher score than I, yet you have no trouble making fun of a disability that those with it cannot help. So much for it "judging empathy."
Those with no empathy would figure out which answers would make them look more empathic, so they could score points with those that are really empathic...

[Shami-Amourae]

I'm an atheist, and I literally live and work on my computer, so I rarely interact with anyone in the real world. I've always had a view of the world that Evil runs everything and that people who try to do the right thing generally are suckers and get steamrolled right over. Most of the "Good" things I do are generally for self preservation of myself and humanity in general. I was raised up in a Christian household and went to Christian school but was smart enough to figure out there is no God by age 8 when I had literally no one around me who would bring about me not to believe. This was the time when I figured out Santa Claus wasn't real so in my head I literally came to the conclusion that God was a made up story like Santa Claus that was used people very powerful people to control my parents and everyone around me. Ever since then I've believed a very Evil group of people ran things from behind the scenes, and I did this without reading books, seeing it on TeeVee, or the Internets.

Most of the people I interact with are begging me to lick my boots and worship me (in the virtual world.) There I'm a God and legend with a huge following. I meet and deal with the most depraved of the depraved. Basically my surroundings have made me highly egocentric and I view empathy and altruism as a weakness. There's unlimited people waiting to serve and do whatever I command of them.

People want to ruled over and told what to do, despite what all the Fedora wearing Dildos will tell you. Their distorted view of the world is as unrealistic as the full blown Communist world view (sounds good on paper but doesn't work in the real world.) Empathic people are very easy to manipulate and control. I refuse to be taken advantage of since I know the craft and game. If you ARE an empathetic person be very weary of who you share your kindness with since it may hurt people, including yourself.

(Sorry I keep editing my posts with new ideas that pop up. I'm like that.)

[Neuro]

I'm an atheist, and I literally live and work on my computer, so I rarely interact with anyone in the real world. I've always had a view of the world that Evil runs everything and that people who try to do the right thing generally are suckers and get steamrolled right over. Most of the "Good" things I do are generally for self preservation of myself and humanity in general.

Most of the people I interact with are begging me to lick my boots and worship me (in the virtual world.) There I'm a God and legend with a huge following. I meet and deal with the most depraved of the depraved. Basically my surroundings have made me highly egocentric and I view empathy and altruism as a weakness. There's unlimited people waiting to serve and do whatever I command of them.

People want to ruled over and told what to do, despite what all the Fedora wearing Dildos will tell you. Their distorted view of the world is as unrealistic as the full blown Communist world view (sounds good on paper but doesn't work in the real world.) Empathic people are very easy to manipulate and control. I refuse to be taken advantage of since I know the craft and game. If you ARE an empathetic person be very weary of who you share your kindness with since it may hurt people, including yourself.
You seem to be in a really horrible place... If I were you I would try and change!

[Shami-Amourae]

You seem to be in a really horrible place... If I were you I would try and change!

I've been told that but I like it.

A lot of people don't understand it but it's what works for me. I honestly fear if I was out in the world I'd be doing very bad, Evil things. I'm trying to keep myself away from hurting others.

[Neuro]

I've been told that but I like it.

A lot of people don't understand it but it's what works for me. I honestly fear if I was out in the world I'd be doing very bad, Evil things. I'm trying to keep myself away from hurting others.
Perhaps you are correct. I have no way of knowing, but from your description it seems you are in a horrible place, however if it is selfcontainment to protect the real world from the evil residing in you, I wish you the best! However it could be that you are only spending time with the depraved of the depraved that made you so too. The fact that you would like to protect empathic normal people, would suggest you have more empathy than what your test scores shows...

[singular_me]

looks like the holographic universe is catching up on us... what is perceived as new age adage "we are all one", is very true to some extend as emotions are chains of reaction of what we project and sense. The one in the whole and the whole in one.

we essentially are in this planetary mess due to a lack of empathy (but thanks to the NWO for having twisted everything), because many are unaware of the above. Disconnected from the whole.

the IMF/WB humanitarian packages comes to mind as an obvious example. If people were truly empathic, they would investigate, each on their own, why they dont work.

understanding the holographic nature of everything is in my view the first step toward restoring genuine empathy.


I don't doubt that the EQ test is bullsh*t, much like IQ tests,... I do know that empathy is a very real sensory perception.

research has uncovered the existence of "mirror neurons," which react to emotions expressed by others and then reproduce them."
Mirror neurons.

[Shami-Amourae]

looks like the holographic universe is catching up on us... what is perceived as new age adage "we are all one", is very true to some extend as emotions are chains of reaction of what we project and sense. The one in the whole and the whole in one.

we essentially are in this planetary mess due to a lack of empathy (but thanks to the NWO for having twisted everything), because many are unaware of the above.

I completely disagree. I think its too much empathy. Power in our society comes from victimhood:



Jews have muh holocaust.
Dindus have muh slavery.
Mestizos have muh stolen land.
Women have muh patriarchy.




Everyone but White Christian straight males people are striving to be the biggest "victim" to capitalize on White guilt/empathy. White people are the most empathetic of all the races and so this is the means of control and plan of action to take them down.

What I'm trying to tell you is the Elite USE empathy to control and manipulate people. I'm trying to make you guys aware of this to understand partially HOW they control us.

The New Age religion is the religion of the "New World Order". The whole Police State is here partially to push us all to the Left to be into all this rainbow tolerant happy land with unicorns and bubbles. The Police State is a designed problem that is designed to get a Designed Solution. That's the plan for control.

[singular_me]

there is no new age as everything is OLD knowledge repackaged and twisted for the worse.

I am talking of the holographic nature of the cosmos and emotions... and this is a science onto itself...

what you say, your conclusion is the result of that very science which has been CORRUPTED.

Interpreting lies is one thing, and you are good at that. But that wont make your conclusion correct, I am afraid. edit: the Matrix we live in should make it obvious...

research the Holographic Universe... this is REAL. the world is the result of what we all project. The NWO has understood this 4000 years ago. Thats precisely why they are the masters of deception. NO new age here but a Reality encompassing all others.

I dont believe in rainbow unicorns, trust me :) at least not yet...

shami, ultimately your rejection of holographic theories, is really helping the NWO. Yes they get us at every street corner!!!



I completely disagree. I think its too much empathy. Power in our society comes from victimhood:



Jews have muh holocaust.
Dindus have muh slavery.
Mestizos have muh stolen land.
Women have muh patriarchy.




Everyone but White Christian straight males people are striving to be the biggest "victim" to capitalize on White guilt/empathy. White people are the most empathetic of all the races and so this is the means of control and plan of action to take them down.

What I'm trying to tell you is the Elite USE empathy to control and manipulate people. I'm trying to make you guys aware of this to understand partially HOW they control us.

The New Age religion is the religion of the "New World Order". The whole police state is here partially to push us all to the Left to be into all this rainbow tolerant happy land with unicorns and bubbles. The Police State is a designed problem that is designed to get a Designed Solution. That's the plan for control.

[Shami-Amourae]

I am talking of the holographic nature of the cosmos and emotions... and this is a science onto itself...

Can you show me a YouTube video or something of what you mean please?

[singular_me]

I dont know which one to recommend anymore but I trust that you will continue investigating by yourself if this topic truly interests you.

The Holographic universe suggests that the physical world we believe to be real is in fact illusion. Energy fields are decoded by our brains into a 3D picture, to give the illusion of a physical world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMBt_yfGKpU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuANDlrTHyI


PS: the bible may have a solid point, Jesus preaching to love one's enemies is pointing to the holographic nature of feelings. Another evidence as why religion and science must remain at war.

everything is connected from the atomic to the quantum level. Hence holographic. Man is a microcosm of the macrocosm. I think people like Nassim Haramein will lead to the ultimate break through.


May 7, 2013
This is a film trailer for an upcoming documentary, that explains the new scientific theory in Nassim Haramein's physics paper titled "Quantum Gravity and the Holographic Mass".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn35qoCjLYA

5min version here:
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-connected-universe-film/?src=cuic-fb1

more peace between humans will come from the understanding that our own projections are just perceptions... a total checkmate with the Self.



Can you show me a YouTube video or something of what you mean please?

[Shami-Amourae]

I'll watch them. I've seen Nassim Haramein's stuff and I think he's a snake oil salesman, no offense. He basically just points out physical patterns found in nature and tries to use that to prove there's some spiritual connection to everything. To me it's just more New Age cult.

It's just astrology type stuff to me. Some things humans will and can never understand, and I'm cool with that. I don't know why people believe in spiritual stuff other than to try to mask from how cold the real world is and give themselves false hope. I look at it as a defense mechanism so you don't turn out like me.
;)

For the record I think the Plasma Universe Theory is probably the closest to being true.

[Neuro]

I wonder if the lack of empathy in society may have something to do with lessening physical interaction between people. I think it is way easier to be an asshole with someone you don't have eye contact with, and subsequently if you spend most of your time on the internet, you'll see more of the asshole character, which may not even be true of the person acting like an asshole on the net, and that alters the perception you have of humanity at large. 'They are not worthy of your empathy'. Maybe especially if you spend most of your internet time on sites catering to the depraved of the depraved like Shami...

I do think the world would be a better place with more empathy, not less. But one shouldn't mix up being empathic with being naive, there are some truly psychopathic people out there that are willing to kill and torture people to get power. I don't think they deserve mercy!

[singular_me]

no new age cult... why do you think the brain synapses and the cosmos show the same structure? Hence man being a small version of the Universe. This has all been proven but mainstream academia will not go that road publicly. So the knowledge is tagged as new age... which rejoice all kind of fundamentalists.

http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/pickover/pc/neuron-galaxy.jpg

(lets brace ourselves for new ways of brainwashing ??? )
What's So Special about Mirror Neurons? (2012)
.......... that mirror neurons are the neural basis for our ability to understand others’ actions..........
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/2012/11/06/whats-so-special-about-mirror-neurons/

as for geometry/sacred math, sorry, that has more to do with you being a staunch atheist than anything else, as it demonstrates the intelligent design/patterns in all things.. :) and it is the very reason as why such topics were banned in the middle ages, along with alchemy, so the elite could secure this knowledge for themselves while ridiculing those seeking for answers. Creationists dont like it as they would have to admit that God is also rational.


I'll watch them. I've seen Nassim Haramein's stuff and I think he's a snake oil salesman, no offense. He basically just points out physical patterns found in nature and tries to use that to prove there's some spiritual connection to everything. To me it's just more New Age cult.

It's just astrology type stuff to me. Some things humans will and can never understand, and I'm cool with that. I don't know why people believe in spiritual stuff other than to try to mask from how cold the real world is and give themselves false hope. I look at it as a defense mechanism so you don't turn out like me.
;)

For the record I think the Plasma Universe Theory is probably the closest to being true.

[mick silver]

I see you having a meeting with some goons from nsa before long ...
I've been told that but I like it.

A lot of people don't understand it but it's what works for me. I honestly fear if I was out in the world I'd be doing very bad,

[Shami-Amourae]

I see you having a meeting with some goons from nsa before long ...

Think they will give me a job?
http://www.city-data.com/forum/members/jill61-603505-albums-emoticons-pic59494-rubbing-hands-smiley.gif

[mick silver]

only the best , only the best do you meet those terms

[Neuro]

only the best , only the best do you meet those terms
EQ 9/80, when would you like to start Shami?

[crimethink]

Most of the people I interact with are begging me to lick my boots and worship me (in the virtual world.) There I'm a God and legend with a huge following. I meet and deal with the most depraved of the depraved. Basically my surroundings have made me highly egocentric and I view empathy and altruism as a weakness. There's unlimited people waiting to serve and do whatever I command of them.

You realize you are going to lose your soul being involved in such things, right? It doesn't matter that you don't believe in God or an eternal soul. You will lose yourself in such an environment / relationship. It's like being the administrator of a mental ward, and becoming an inpatient by joining them in their delusions.

I knew you ran a virtual world, but I thought you were just the sys-admin, not a B&D lord.

I'm glad you have learned through personal experience that most people choose not to think for themselves, and choose not to act / live like humans. But I am seriously concerned for your well-being, friend.

[crimethink]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMBt_yfGKpU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuANDlrTHyI


Shami, don't bother with the crap above. Pure New Age nonsense built upon illicitly "borrowed" facts. Try this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rgYz_BU2Ew

Michael Talbot was a brilliant man, and his books are worth your time. Sadly, his "lifestyle" took him away from the world prematurely (he died, officially, of "leukemia" - actually, AIDS).

[crimethink]

I don't know why people believe in spiritual stuff other than to try to mask from how cold the real world is and give themselves false hope. I look at it as a defense mechanism so you don't turn out like me.

People are spiritual because that's what we're designed to be. Some of us accept it not because we need a "crutch" or a "defense mechanism," but because we have been given evidence - often, lots of it, on an ongoing basis - that there is much more to existence than can be seen with the five "scientific" senses.

[Hatha Sunahara]

Your Empathy Quotient score was 71 out of a possible 80.

I don't believe it. But I do live with an autistic, and since he can't talk, I have to sense how he feels.


Hatha

[singular_me]

CT, I have been the most vocal proponent on here of the holographic universe and synchronicity and many other things... but sad to say, you may never overcome the fact that the bible is filled with so called new age crap (ie: kaballah) and a subversion of gnosticism, early christianity, turned into a sun god cult instead. 12 apostoles, 12 signs of the zodiac... right, you prefer to trust blindly a doctrine which has no record whatsoever of its prophet between 12 and 30 years of age, the dies at 33... a masonic number.

Illicit - borrowed ??? please explain that ??? Seems like you are talking of the bible to me... .. resurrection and the virgin birth appear in so many myths. So what/who is borrowing from what/who, plz ??? But at least you call them "facts", thank you for this.

Sacred Geometry also explains quantum theories, the invisible strings that shape the whole Universe. God **IS** math, get over it, my friend :) Everything IS where it has to be and there is no other way to prove it but with Sacred Geometry embedded in all things and throughout the cosmos. Hence the "as above, so below".

The fibonacci sequence and that everything IS frequencies/vibrations is as real as I am talking to you. Sure its all new age crap. LOL

It is your absolute right to have your own belief system but I am soooooo sick and tired of the new age tag WHILE it is the very framework of all religions that have ever existed. Each of them repackaging it in its own words The one world religion has always been here... since day 1.

and to give the bible credit, I even say in this thread that "love your enemies/neighbors" is the evidence that it refers to empathy as the holographic nature of feelings. This to show how flexible my own belief system is. When will you be able to do the same? Probably never.



Shami, don't bother with the crap above. Pure New Age nonsense built upon illicitly "borrowed" facts. Try this:


Michael Talbot was a brilliant man, and his books are worth your time. Sadly, his "lifestyle" took him away from the world prematurely (he died, officially, of "leukemia" - actually, AIDS).

[Santa]

Your Empathy Quotient score was 71 out of a possible 80.

I don't believe it. But I do live with an autistic, and since he can't talk, I have to sense how he feels.


Hatha

So be it.

[crimethink]

CT, I have been the most vocal proponent on here of the holographic universe and synchronicity and many other things... but sad to say, you may never overcome the fact that the bible is filled with so called new age crap (ie: kaballah) and a subversion of gnosticism, early christianity, turned into a sun god cult instead. 12 apostoles, 12 signs of the zodiac... right, you prefer to trust blindly a doctrine which has no record whatsoever of its prophet between 12 and 30 years of age, the dies at 33... a masonic number.

Illicit - borrowed ??? please explain that ??? Seems like you are talking of the bible to me... .. resurrection and the virgin birth appear in so many myths. So what/who is borrowing from what/who, plz ??? But at least you call them "facts", thank you for this.

Sacred Geometry also explains quantum theories, the invisible strings that shape the whole Universe. God **IS** math, get over it, my friend :) Everything IS where it has to be and there is no other way to prove it but with Sacred Geometry embedded in all things and throughout the cosmos. Hence the "as above, so below".

The fibonacci sequence and that everything IS frequencies/vibrations is as real as I am talking to you. Sure its all new age crap. LOL

It is your absolute right to have your own belief system but I am soooooo sick and tired of the new age tag WHILE it is the very framework of all religions that have ever existed. Each of them repackaging it in its own words The one world religion has always been here... since day 1.

and to give the bible credit, I even say in this thread that "love your enemies/neighbors" is the evidence that it refers to empathy as the holographic nature of feelings. This to show how flexible my own belief system is. When will you be able to do the same? Probably never.

I will continue to call it "New Age" because it is just that. A new manifestation borrowing from, but not identical to, ancient traditions. It is purely syncretic, and not a continuation of ancient traditions.

You obviously have very twisted views of Christianity, and that's not something I'm going to try to fix for you. Your perception of Christianity is purely Judeo-Freemasonic, and you don't even realize it. Christ warned that there would be many false "christs" coming in His future (our past and present), and Judeo-Freemasonry has delivered on that. "All religions are connected" is purely Judeo-Freemasonic. It's what every lodge and every one of their tomes teaches. Christianity and Egyptian & Canaanite paganism are fused into their false "god," "Jah-bul-on" (supposedly Yahweh, Baal, and On/Osiris).

I know far more than you realize, and I've studied almost every topic you put forth as something "special." Most of it is utter horseshit, and you don't even realize it. Or, maybe you do.

One of my favorite books, sitting on my library shelf across from me right now - only, it's not Judeo-Freemasonic trash, but science:

http://www.geometrycode.com/wp-content/uploads/img/ABeginnersGuideToConstructingTheUniverse.png

http://www.amazon.com/Beginners-Guide-Constructing-Universe-Mathematical/dp/0060926716/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1420090839&sr=1-1&keywords=beginner%27s+guide+to+constructing+the+un iverse

There is very little you can teach me or remind me of.

[zap]

Well I dont have much use for your thoughts Crimethink.... I dont know if you are Magnes ,41, Wildcard or Fred doesn't matter though, you are not almighty even though you think so .

Just thought I would put it out there my friend.:)

;)

[Santa]

Your Empathy Quotient score was 71 out of a possible 80.

I don't believe it. But I do live with an autistic, and since he can't talk, I have to sense how he feels.


Hatha

Dammit, I hate being accused of lying, so I took the stupid quizz again. Apparently, my empathy is running a little low tonight. :(

http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/jackconrad/junk/empathy_zps2029271c.jpg (http://s915.photobucket.com/user/jackconrad/media/junk/empathy_zps2029271c.jpg.html)

[singular_me]

ROFOLOL... keep up with the kaballah-bible.

You are not about ancient traditions, otherwise you'd start threads about it, just the way I do about things that matter to me. Since I have been back on here, you never mentioned the holographic universe nor linked math to God, instead you patted aeon on the back for attacking the concepts.

Did I change you?

sacred geometry is as old as the pyramids, at least 10000 years... deal with it.
http://www.math.nus.edu.sg/aslaksen/gem-projects/hm/0102-1-pyramids/page04.htm

oh and I never saw you speak of the bible other than quoting verses over and over or praising your chosen-one-adamic descent... and you assert that your faith is a different christianity? Id like to hear about it, really, because to me the "chosen ones" rather evokes the hebrews-zionists-NWO cliques.

you mean the same Osiris that resurrected after 3 days? :)

thank for suggesting a read but the link below is more my cup of tea.

IS GOD A MATHEMATICIAN? - Dr Ivan Panin - Bible Numerics research
http://www.wordworx.co.nz/panin.html





You obviously have very twisted views of Christianity, and that's not something I'm going to try to fix for you. Your perception of Christianity is purely Judeo-Freemasonic, and you don't even realize it. Christ warned that there would be many false "christs" coming in His future (our past and present), and Judeo-Freemasonry has delivered on that. "All religions are connected" is purely Judeo-Freemasonic. It's what every lodge and every one of their tomes teaches. Christianity and Egyptian & Canaanite paganism are fused into their false "god," "Jah-bul-on" (supposedly Yahweh, Baal, and On/Osiris).
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[zap]

You realize you are going to lose your soul being involved in such things, right? It doesn't matter that you don't believe in God or an eternal soul. You will lose yourself in such an environment / relationship. It's like being the administrator of a mental ward, and becoming an inpatient by joining them in their being


He is retarded your soul \\is shami already knows this \\\

[singular_me]

CT isnt Magnes, unless he is making a huge effort not to speak of Charles the Great (charlemagne) and Constantine, and Plato (all of which he highly praises) because that often was the root cause of our disagreements because he wasnt willing to even admit that Charlemagne was a bloodline king who invented the school system (so began mass' brainwashing)... Constantine, the man behind the bible which took *4-0-0* years to finish up... and Plato, a mystery school master forbidding the entry of his school to anyone ignorant of (sacred) geometry.

the world is really upside down.



Well I dont have much use for your thoughts Crimethink.... I dont know if you are Magnes ,41, Wildcard or Fred doesn't matter though, you are not almighty even though you think so .

Just thought I would put it out there my friend.:)

;)

[Shami-Amourae]

Shami, don't bother with the crap above. Pure New Age nonsense built upon illicitly "borrowed" facts. Try this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rgYz_BU2Ew

Michael Talbot was a brilliant man, and his books are worth your time. Sadly, his "lifestyle" took him away from the world prematurely (he died, officially, of "leukemia" - actually, AIDS).

I don't believe it, but I'll listen to other ideas because I like to challenge my own. New Age to me is just atheists trying to create religion when there isn't one. It's also the placating religion the NWO wants to push us into. They want to destroy Christianity and everyone becomes New Ages since it's all unicorns/rainbow faggotry and easy to control. Like in the book Brave New World people are on psychedelic drugs and they will need something like that with a psychedelic religion to go along with it.

[Shami-Amourae]

People are spiritual because that's what we're designed to be. Some of us accept it not because we need a "crutch" or a "defense mechanism," but because we have been given evidence - often, lots of it, on an ongoing basis - that there is much more to existence than can be seen with the five "scientific" senses.

Well I don't believe there was a "design", but okay. I'm not going to argue Christianity with you since I used to be a militant atheist and I don't do that shit anymore. You're better off being a Christian since it will keep you sane even if I do think it's wrong.

There's evidence chimpanzees are spiritual.




I read an article in November 27th's edition of New Scientist called "Survival of the suspicious". One part of the article described how during a thunderstorm chimpanzees have been observed climbing trees and shaking branches as if to challenge the elements, or possibly a perceived invisible alpha male in the sky.


After a number of weeks trying to find more information on this (no source quoted in the article, not even a name) I have finally found a video showing this behaviour. The video is from the Jane Goodall Institute and the phenomenon has been named "Chimpanzee rain dance"


Actual Chimps, not Dindus you fucking racist:

http://vimeo.com/18404370


Spiritualism has been documented with various animals. It's probably a survival mechanism that gives animals a reason for hope where there is little hope (prevents suicide and stuff.)
http://news.discovery.com/animals/animals-spiritual-brain.htm

[Shami-Amourae]

You realize you are going to lose your soul being involved in such things, right? It doesn't matter that you don't believe in God or an eternal soul. You will lose yourself in such an environment / relationship. It's like being the administrator of a mental ward, and becoming an inpatient by joining them in their delusions.

I knew you ran a virtual world, but I thought you were just the sys-admin, not a B&D lord.

I'm glad you have learned through personal experience that most people choose not to think for themselves, and choose not to act / live like humans. But I am seriously concerned for your well-being, friend.

I mainly just focus on my art. I have a large following since of what I do and I get contacts from subs from females, to males (no I'm not attracted to them,) to trannies, to furries, to MLP freaks, and so on. 95% are the SJW type weirdos and you get a lot of welfare people but also a lot of professionals who make 6 figures - it's an odd mix. I ignore most of it but I have indulged here and there when I found someone worth my time. I only have one official sub and she's shockingly very conservative and I treat her more like a girlfriend. Most of the men I deal with are like pure omega males and get angry with you and "offended" where they will clench their pearls if you say women aren't superior to men. These are the CB-3000 type men (don't Google that.)

Alpha males are extremely rare and generally get large followings even though it's not considered PC with the SJW fagtards.

I know I'm just trying to justify this stuff but I try to "wake up" people from behind enemy lines as much as I can, but whatever.


I am "friends" (business relationships) with some hard core B&D Lords and Lordesses and those are the really scary psychopaths, but I tend to bend them into working for me since I'm almost pure business. I'll give them a cut of my profits for sales they make for me for instance. I'm talking findoms who have literally hundreds of subs and they'll talk to several men a day (with the occasional female) and demand they pay them money for the experience. You'll see these dominatrixes demand an omega "man" give her tens to hundreds of dollars in session, while she'll demand he harm himself or restrain himself in someway. I could write books on this stuff since it's way more widespread than you think but it's very hush hush in real life so you have no idea how many people are into it. There's a ton of professionals who you'd never suspect. The female dominants are far more hardcore than a lot of the male ones. Then again female dominants tend to wield much more power and make more money since submissive men pay a lot more than submissive women.

The dominants don't even need to touch them since it's online and they will command the sub to self mutilate themselves. I'm going very vanilla here since the stuff I see is complete NSFW - my point is I'm VERY vanilla in comparison - not that what I'm doing is right.

I've seen findoms completely financially break men and completely max out their credit cards and put them into debt just with the faint smirk of some Evil woman on the other side of the world. Then the findom will complain about how they "disappeared" and wonder "what happened". The omega men who do this are completely lost and usually end up committing suicide. These findom women have no talent or skill (other than manipulating people.) Some aren't even that attractive. All they need to do is have a vagina and be completely ruthless and it's really that easy. They have the attitude of 10 year old girls who think they are a Princess. I had several try to start romantic relationships with me (not with me being findommed, but as "equal" dominant partners) since I'm viewed as very sane, alpha, and moral in comparison. These women lack alpha males and deeply want one under the surface but since there are so few many turn to this. Even if one of these women got an alpha male like me as a "partner" they'd try to corrupt and destroy them since that's all they know what to do and gets them off.

Another example is you might see a single mom carve the dominants name into their breast/chestline with a knife, and then pay the dominant hundreds of dollars for the pleasure of doing that stuff to themselves. The truly depraved are the submissive people. That's not the worst too. Most dominants think these people are just sub-human scum and generally deserve this shit. It's very dog-eat-dog and you quickly understand how the Elite think and it makes sense of why they do what they do. You could say I'm a good guy (trying to be) behind enemy lines but I'm obviously not corrupted by it too.

I don't know if I'm wasting my time telling you this stuff since it's making me more and more alien on this forum and not benefiting in my social standing here. I'm trying to be helpful and give you guys some original information since you can't understand how bad a lot of these are without seeing/experiencing them firsthand. This is the lifestyle the NWO wants everyone to be in. I've been doing this since I was a teenager. I'm just more open to talking about it now.

[singular_me]

shami, thanks for sharing.

The S&M world is kinda fascinating in the way that I think it is at the core of a religious trauma... self inflicted pain, suffering, flesh rituals, blood, humiliation, murder etc in religions and myths is so common... I do not think that what you describe is worse than christians reenacting the crucifixion for example, or fundamentalist monks pushing themselves into torments.

S&M has truly a long pattern of history in the West (and the rest of the world) and since emotions are encoded in the DNA, I think this is most likely why many people will *instinctively* approve atrocities done to others or why it is so easy to convince them to go and murder the unfaithful/infidel/unbeliever.

Religions go along with blood sacrifices and sufferings as it is the very foundation of most doctrines. One must suffer to deserve better.... pain and redemption. ... it is mind control at its finest that allows the elites to harvest souls and psyches.

In a lesser case scenario, many equate love to suffering/sacrifice and hence the dominant and submissive patterns in many relationships. Female oppression is a symptom too. I have noticed that many in the BD-SM lifestyle are in quest of some "mystic experience", flirting with emotional/physical death, so they can experience some sort of rebirth.

It is a topic that I also briefly speak about in my book (violence in spiritual beliefs and their side-effects on the psyche as a whole) so I could go on and on but if we really want to change the world for better, we surely will have to overcome S&M aspect in all religious beliefs first.

We do not need all this dark energy to poison Life. The NWO framed us on all sides, people see satanism everywhere but in their own textbooks. Thats precisely why mankind is in suicide ... self-immolation mode.

edit:

This is the lifestyle the NWO wants everyone to be in. I've been doing this since I was a teenager.
Very courageous of you to expose yourself a bit. But here you are kinda admitting that you are mind controlled and wont do anything about it and prefer to stay stuck in that life style?

[Shami-Amourae]

Well part of what I was getting at is in modern BDSM the women are more dominant and men are more submissive. FemDom is absolutely exploding with Feminism. It's made things a lot more fucked up then from when I first started. The amount of male subs seems to grow every year at an exponential rate. It's also causing an explosion in transgenderism. Female dominants have their hands full so they can charge a ton of money for their time with male submissives. There's been an epidemic of men playing as women to cash in on this so now people want voice and video verification. If you're a female and ruthless enough you can make a small fortune with this stuff, it's insane.

Related:
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?80655-Mouse-Experiment-Helps-Reveal-Decline-of-Humanity

I've talked to various of these extreme dominants and many are highly intelligent and aware of things, but their view is this is how the world is so it's like a "I'd rather rule in Hell" deal. This crap is going to become the new normal if civilization doesn't collapse or Hitler appears from the past to save us. These people would rather be the rulers than crushed under it protesting against a brick wall. I'm starting to agree.

[singular_me]

I understand all what you say.

bold: you are a curious mix, but like most the result of S&M programing as we all part take in this dark energy experiment to some extend, using the FRNs note to start with.

my book precisely deals with emotional polarity reversals in men and women exploited by cultures as a form of control and why keeping the pendulum in full swing is vital for the elites. Yet talking about polarities gets a new age label, while it is an ancient science rooted in the understanding of electromagnetism. The NWO got this millennia ago.

Look for my "sex principle" thread, if not done yet, and read the walter russell's excerpt. Its a eye opener explaining why the mind responds electromagnetic impulses emanating from Natural Laws.

At this stage, any theory that doesnt address/expose/include polarity principles is masonic in essence.



Well part of what I was getting at is in modern BDSM the women are more dominant and men are more submissive. FemDom is absolutely exploding with Feminism. It's made things a lot more fucked up then from when I first started. The amount of male subs seems to grow every year at an exponential rate. It's also causing an explosion in transgenderism. Female dominants have their hands full so they can charge a ton of money for their time with male submissives. There's been an epidemic of men playing as women to cash in on this so now people want voice and video verification. If you're a female and ruthless enough you can make a small fortune with this stuff, it's insane.

Related:
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?80655-Mouse-Experiment-Helps-Reveal-Decline-of-Humanity

I've talked to various of these extreme dominants and many are highly intelligent and aware of things, but their view is this is how the world is so it's like a "I'd rather rule in Hell" deal. This crap is going to become the new normal if civilization doesn't collapse or Hitler appears from the past to save us. These people would rather be the rulers than crushed under it protesting against a brick wall. I'm starting to agree.

[mick silver]

stuff like you posted shami been going on for as long as men and women have walked the earth . was this new age stuff back then are is it new age now. I just don't see it as new age now ...... Same-sex attitudes and behaviors in ancient Rome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Rome) often differ markedly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Societal_attitudes_toward_homosexuality) from those of the contemporary West (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_civilization). Latin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin) lacks words that would precisely translate "homosexual (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual)" and "heterosexual (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterosexual)".[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome#cite_note-1) The primary dichotomy of ancient Roman sexuality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_in_ancient_Rome) was active/dominant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominance_and_submission)/masculine and passive/submissive/"feminized". Roman society was patriarchal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriarchy), and the freeborn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingenui) male citizen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_citizenship) possessed political liberty (libertas) and the right to rule both himself and his household (familia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paterfamilias)). "Virtue" (virtus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtus_(virtue))) was seen as an active quality through which a man (vir) defined himself. The conquest mentality and "cult of virility" shaped same-sex relations. Roman men were free to enjoy sex with other males without a perceived loss of masculinity or social status, as long as they took the dominant or penetrative role. Acceptable male partners were slaves (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_ancient_Rome), prostitutes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_ancient_Rome), and entertainers, whose lifestyle placed them in the nebulous social realm of infamia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infamia), excluded from the normal protections accorded a citizen even if they were technically free. Although Roman men in general seem to have preferred youths between the ages of 12 and 20 as sexual partners, freeborn male minors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_in_ancient_Rome#Sexuality_and_children) were strictly off-limits, and professional prostitutes and entertainers might be considerably older.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome#cite_note-2)
Same-sex relations among women are less documented. Although Roman women (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_ancient_Rome) of the upperclasses were educated, and are known to have written poetry and corresponded with male relatives, very few fragments of anything that might have been written by women survive. Male writers took little interest in how women experienced sexuality in general; the Augustan poet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustan_literature_(ancient_Rome)) Ovid takes an exceptionally keen interest, but advocates for a heterosexual lifestyle contrary to Roman sexual norms.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome#cite_note-3) During the Republic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Republic) and early Principate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principate), little is recorded of sexual relations among women, but better and more varied evidence, though scattered, exists for the later Imperial period (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Empire).

[Hitch]

I don't know if I'm wasting my time telling you this stuff since it's making me more and more alien on this forum and not benefiting in my social standing here. I'm trying to be helpful and give you guys some original information since you can't understand how bad a lot of these are without seeing/experiencing them firsthand. This is the lifestyle the NWO wants everyone to be in. I've been doing this since I was a teenager. I'm just more open to talking about it now.

Shami, I think it takes a lot of courage to share this stuff and your experiences with it. I respect that a lot. That's what this forum is about, the truth and learning from others.

Reading this stuff is quite eye opening to me personally. It screams evil though. Makes me think God's finger is getting closer to that "game over" button. He has to be thinking what the hell is wrong with humanity.

[crimethink]

There's evidence chimpanzees are spiritual.

(...)

Spiritualism has been documented with various animals. It's probably a survival mechanism that gives animals a reason for hope where there is little hope (prevents suicide and stuff.)
http://news.discovery.com/animals/animals-spiritual-brain.htm

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

[crimethink]

I don't know if I'm wasting my time telling you this stuff since it's making me more and more alien on this forum and not benefiting in my social standing here. I'm trying to be helpful and give you guys some original information since you can't understand how bad a lot of these are without seeing/experiencing them firsthand. This is the lifestyle the NWO wants everyone to be in. I've been doing this since I was a teenager. I'm just more open to talking about it now.

You're not wasting your time with me, and, actually, you increase your "social standing" with me due to your honesty and willingness to trust us to listen and not come down on you. Anyone who won't respect you for being honest on this isn't worth your concern or respect. Christ went right in to the masses, and addressed what we now call "freaks" and "weirdoes" - He did not shun them, as they needed Him most. Most people consider me a "freak" or "weirdo," as well, but for different reasons than you.

I obviously don't "agree" with all that you're doing, but I'm not trying to judge you. I actually do give a damn about you, and am only concerned you'll lose yourself in all this. I got "involved" in things in my younger years I had to flee.

[crimethink]

shami, thanks for sharing.

The S&M world is kinda fascinating in the way that I think it is at the core of a religious trauma... self inflicted pain, suffering, flesh rituals, blood, humiliation, murder etc in religions and myths is so common... I do not think that what you describe is worse than christians reenacting the crucifixion for example, or fundamentalist monks pushing themselves into torments.

S&M has truly a long pattern of history in the West (and the rest of the world) and since emotions are encoded in the DNA, I think this is most likely why many people will *instinctively* approve atrocities done to others or why it is so easy to convince them to go and murder the unfaithful/infidel/unbeliever.

Religions go along with blood sacrifices and sufferings as it is the very foundation of most doctrines. One must suffer to deserve better.... pain and redemption. ... it is mind control at its finest that allows the elites to harvest souls and psyches.

In a lesser case scenario, many equate love to suffering/sacrifice and hence the dominant and submissive patterns in many relationships. Female oppression is a symptom too. I have noticed that many in the BD-SM lifestyle are in quest of some "mystic experience", flirting with emotional/physical death, so they can experience some sort of rebirth.

It is a topic that I also briefly speak about in my book (violence in spiritual beliefs and their side-effects on the psyche as a whole) so I could go on and on but if we really want to change the world for better, we surely will have to overcome S&M aspect in all religious beliefs first.

We do not need all this dark energy to poison Life. The NWO framed us on all sides, people see satanism everywhere but in their own textbooks. Thats precisely why mankind is in suicide ... self-immolation mode.

edit:

Very courageous of you to expose yourself a bit. But here you are kinda admitting that you are mind controlled and wont do anything about it and prefer to stay stuck in that life style?

Most people involved in disordered sexuality are victims of abuse, either severe emotional and/or sexual abuse, at the hands of fathers, mothers, siblings, extended family, and much more rarely, strangers with access to them. Many if not most don't realize it was abuse until it's disordered them, possibly for life. The acceptance of disordered sexuality by this society denies these folks the first step of healing: acknowledgement they have a problem.

[Horn]

I scored

http://www.nachtkabarett.com/ihvh/img/nk_freemasonry_33rdemblem.jpg

[singular_me]

for empathy to strike back on this planet, people need to end their love affair with death cults. we are living in a pyramid/matrix of death cults, with that of the NWO at the top/center.

just look at history: 4000+years of mass sufferings and mass murders

yes a new world order is coming, but choosing which one, it up to each of us.

new age is wrong (the agenda) as it wants to make all believe that we are all one (tenet of religions for their own followers, so trashing new age makes no sense in this regard), that it is a collective unconscious issue. It is not a group fight.

Well actually it is a collective issue but not for the same reason, to teach us the problem with group fights. The collective unconscious is a vortex onto itself. Depending on how we look at the half full/empty glass, history also tells us that the death cults collective experiment has ended.

we are in DEEP sh*t guys... really!


===============
The Matrix Revealed: the collective experiment on planet Earth
.... How long until the collective age is over? A hundred years? A thousand years? The answer is, as long as it takes for every human to realize that the experiment has failed, and why.

The why is clear—the individual has been overlooked. He has been demeaned. He has been grabbed up and drafted into groups. His creative power has been compromised in order to fit in.

The majority of the world still believes in this approach, as if from good groups will flow the ultimate and final solutions we have all been seeking.....
http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2014/12/27/the-matrix-revealed-the-collective-experiment-on-planet-earth/

[vacuum]

Solid 21/80 reporting in. I hate tests like this though...it's hard to answer these types of questions accurately.

[vacuum]

Shami, thanks for the interesting discussion.

I believe in god/spirituality myself, but the older I get, the more and more atheist I become. But only because I see both can be true at the same time, not because my belief in spirituality is decreased.

An egoist might as well be an atheist, in fact that is the correct conclusion, because the ego physically and permanently dies when a person dies. The ego is just a series of chance events that happened to a person, and this defines their personality. Furthermore, it developed in a way such that it ensured it's own survival in whatever situation it faced. It isn't inherently good or had, it is simply what I have just described.

However, we are simply vessels of consciousness. We can identify with or "become" whatever we like. I could choose to become a brick layer for example. I could wake up at 4am every day, and lay bricks as perfectly as I could. I could dig up the clay, fire the bricks, make the mortar, trowel it on, place the bricks. All done perfectly. I could devote 100% of my attention and my ability to this one activity. I could do this for 50 years. In the end, it would be what my life was about, what I was, and what defined me - assuming that's the only thing I focused on. It would be me.

The art of brick laying has been around for centuries. Lets say it started 10,000 BC and will only exist until 3,000 AD. That is a lifespan of 13,000 years. Therefore, my consciousness would have essentially have had a lifespan of 13,000 years because I manifested the consciousness of brick laying into my being.

But you still die! Your lifespan was only, say, 70 years. No, that is incorrect. That is your ego speaking. Your ego - the unique instance of you - is the primary thing that perishes when you physically die. Almost everybody identifies with and spends their life focusing on their ego though, in a similar way to how the brick layer only paid attention to laying bricks. So their lifespan is that of their ego, which is the same as their physical body. From the brick's point of view, people come and go and animate it's existence, just like cells in our body animate us.

So how does one achieve eternal life? By paying attention to and becoming that which is eternal. These are archetypes, forms, or ideals as plato called them. These are patterns in nature that always have been and always will be. You study those, focus 100% of your attention on them, bring these ideal forms into physical manifestation. You "sacrifice" the ego in order to "incarnate the christ". This is what the whole Jesus thing is about. It's a metaphor about basically taking your consciousness (your attention, focus, identification ie what you are) and abandoning identification with something temporary and instead identifying with something permanent.

Spiritual things aren't magical. Just like a brick layer laying bricks, if somebody doesn't physically do it, it will not manifest in reality. In a similar manner, these archetypes will not manifest in reality unless people incarnate those ideals and put them into action. It doesn't mean that natural laws don't exist however and we can simply choose to create whatever we want. This is where "natural law" comes into play. There's nothing mystical about this either. Natural law is simply all the things you are allowed to do which don't eventually lead to self destruction. We can indeed create any reality we want with "no rules", but they are not stable archetypes. They don't persist in time because they self destruct. That is why they aren't eternal. Not because somebody is "making the rules", it's just physics. As hypertiger says, if you cut down all the trees and destroy the environment, you will die. How do we figure out these natural laws? What doesn't lead to self destruction? It's simply trial and error. However, perhaps if previous cultures went through that trial and error process and propagated that information forward, perhaps we should use that knowledge. It would be idiocy to continue to self destruct over and over again because we aren't smart enough to propagate that information forward. That's where a lot of mystical and religious truths come from. It's just people trying to write down abstract concepts about what to do and what not to do. But they aren't just people - they're beings which focused on, payed attention, and incarnated these principles into themselves to propagate the knowledge forward. They're the only ones who were paying attention. The beings conscious of only their own egos were oblivious to what was happening. They will keep spinning in circles with a periodicity of a couple hundred years (due to cultural traditions it is longer than a single lifetime). The more eternal focused will pass on knowledge spanning ever greater time periods, and with such learning expand to even greater time periods based on knowledge perpetuated through time, until time becomes meaningless.

(I do believe there is a whole topic of dark archetypes as well, but these are what I would call super-egos and not real eternal archetypes. Characteristically they demand obedience, worship, have specific names/personalities, have no physical form, and may claim omnipotence. Luciferians seek to perpetuate and manifest them. They don't escape natural law, but they can last a really long time, and potentially destroy an entire planet if the inhabitants choose that over eternally stable truth.)

So I believe both atheism/egoism and spirituality are both completely valid in their different realms of conscious experience, and you can choose which world you'd like to live in. One last thing: you can also be a self-professed atheist but devote yourself completely to science, math, and the study of nature with no focus on yourself. In this case I'd say it's all just semantics and definitions, and you're probably closer to the spiritual side or somewhere in the middle (maybe at, say, a 50,000 year level of consciousness for example. Greater than a brick layer (perhaps) but less than christ or plato).

Hope this was interesting to you.

[hoarder]

Seventeen.........

[crimethink]

Seventeen.........

Obviously, you are a "dangerous anti-Semitic psychopath"! ;D

[singular_me]

Vacuum... this is all well put. And I have no problem to go along with your lines. the two sides of the coin exist in every situation/concept/thought, and awareness is just that. And that very awareness is essential to develop empathy in the true sense of the word. Your low score comforts me in my opinion that such tests cannot be taken seriously.


.... As hypertiger says, if you cut down all the trees and destroy the environment, you will die. How do we figure out these natural laws? What doesn't lead to self destruction? It's simply trial and error. However, perhaps if previous cultures went through that trial and error process and propagated that information forward, perhaps we should use that knowledge. It would be idiocy to continue to self destruct over and over again because we aren't smart enough to propagate that information forward. That's where a lot of mystical and religious truths come from. It's just people trying to write down abstract concepts about what to do and what not to do. But they aren't just people - they're beings which focused on, payed attention, and incarnated these principles into themselves to propagate the knowledge forward. They're the only ones who were paying attention. The beings conscious of only their own egos were oblivious to what was happening....

thats where I beg to differ a little, or maybe are you trying to be diplomatic here. The knowledge of Natural Laws has been out there for about millennia already. And it is conveyed in all religious textbooks in their own words. To quote Francais Bacon, 33 degree mason: to command Nature one must first obey Her. This sentence is key to understand why we have reached this unprecedented threshold. Natural Laws are often associated with paganism unfortunately. But we can trust the NWO to have spread this inaccurate definition. If the Gnostics already knew what Natural Laws entail, why was this knowledge lost/distorted?


So I believe both atheism/egoism and spirituality are both completely valid in their different realms of conscious experience, and you can choose which world you'd like to live in. One last thing: you can also be a self-professed atheist but devote yourself completely to science, math, and the study of nature with no focus on yourself. In this case I'd say it's all just semantics and definitions, and you're probably closer to the spiritual side...

I concur with that. I have been an agnostic most of my life, and I made a U-turn 5 or 6 years ago as I now regard sciences as the language of the Divine, and it helps me greatly to decipher spiritual thoughts and religious textbook, spot their contradictions and truths right away, also because I have fully grasped Polarity Principles. Have become highly spiritual but also remain well aware that it is my own path of development as a conscious being.

There was this one book, I read a while ago, about sexuality (between consenting adults), basically saying that all sexual expressions are just expressions of our level of disconnect from the Source and our quest to reconcile with "It". S&M is a very particular expression and probably the most mystical of all as it represents the biggest disconnect of all. It surely explains why "fetishism" is all over the place, subliminally or not. It is a distraction with an agenda to shatter the self, keep it fragmented. I was a little bit disappointed by the book in the sense that the author repeats himself too much but that remains a good read. He used to work on mind control programming, and also has videos on youtube.

Thanks for sharing

interested in the book: The True Reality of Sexuality by Stewart Swerdlow

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S&M is a very particular expression and probably the most mystical of all as it represents the biggest disconnect of all.

Only when done properly in the presence and tutelage of an ordained minister.

otherwise you could hurt yourself or others, and not just your ego.

:)