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mick silver
30th December 2014, 02:53 PM
The Financial Consequences of Saying 'Black,' vs. 'African American'http://media.zenfs.com/284/2011/06/08/atlantic-83x27_153359.gif (http://www.theatlantic.com/) By Joe Pinsker 9 hours ago













One hundred years ago, “Colored” was the typical way of referring to Americans of African descent. Twenty years later, in the time of W.E.B. Du Bois, it was purposefully dropped to make way for “Negro.” By the late 1960s, that term was overtaken by “Black.” And then, at a press conference in a Hyatt hotel in Chicago in 1988, Jesse Jackson declared (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1992-11-15/news/9204130445_1_center-stage-names-national-black-agenda) that “African American” was the term to embrace; that one was chosen because it echoed the labels of groups, such as “Italian Americans” and “Irish Americans,” that had already been freed of widespread discrimination.
A century’s worth of calculated name changes are a testament to the fact that naming any group is a politically freighted exercise. A 2001 study catalogued (http://ssi.sagepub.com/content/40/3/411) all the ways in which the term “Black” carried connotations that were more negative than those of “African American.” This is troubling on the level of anindividual's decision making, and these labels are also institutionalized: Only last month, the U.S. Army finally stopped permitting use of the term “Negro” (http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/07/politics/army-apology-for-regulation-negro-word/) in its official documents, and the American Psychological Association currently says (http://goizueta.emory.edu/profiles/documents/publications_working_papers/hall/Hall_Phillips_Townsend_JESP_2015.pdf) “African American” and “Black” can be used interchangeably in academic writing.
But if it was known that “Black" people were viewed differently from “African Americans,” researchers, until now, hadn’t identified what that gap in perception was derived from. A study (http://goizueta.emory.edu/profiles/documents/publications_working_papers/hall/Hall_Phillips_Townsend_JESP_2015.pdf), to be published next month in the Journal of Experimental Social Psychology, found that “Black” people are viewed more negatively than “African Americans” because of a perceived difference in socioeconomic status. As a result, “Black” people are thought of as less competent and as having colder personalities.
The study’s most striking findings shed light on the racial biases undergirding the professional world. Even seemingly innocuous details on a resume, it appears, can tap into recruiters' biases. A job application might mention affiliations with groups such as the “Wisconsin Association of African-American Lawyers” (http://www.waalawyers.com/) or the “National Black Employees Association (http://www.nbea.net/about),” the names of which apparently have consequences—and are also beyond their members’ control.
In one of the study’s experiments, subjects were given a brief description of a man from Chicago with the last name Williams. To one group, he was identified as “African-American,” and another was told he was “Black.” With little else to go on, they were asked to estimate Mr. Williams’s salary, professional standing, and educational background.
The “African-American” group estimated that he earned about $37,000 a year and had a two-year college degree. The “Black” group, on the other hand, put his salary at about $29,000, and guessed that he had only "some" college experience. Nearly three-quarters of the first group guessed that Mr. Williams worked at a managerial level, while 38.5 percent of the second group thought so.
Curiously, the authors of the study itself avoid taking a side in the question of whether to use the term “Black” or “African American,” instead using “Americans of African descent.” The lead author, Emory University’s Erika Hall, told the podcast On the Media (http://www.onthemedia.org/story/black-vs-african-american/)that this was done primarily out of a desire not to confuse the reader. She has doubts about the practicality of the term “Americans of African descent”—it’s kind of a mouthful—but is hopeful that a new phrase, purged of the old weight, will arrive someday. “I think a lot of the stigma is embodied in the time in which the term was created,” Hall told On the Media. “Eventually, there shouldn’t be a stigma attached with the word that’s created out of a more positive time.”
Hall's findings suggest there's an argument to be made for electing to use “African American," though one can’t help but get the sense that it’s a decision that papers over the urgency of continued progress. Perhaps a new phrase is needed, one that can bring everyone one asymptotic step closer to realizing Du Bois’s original, idealistic hope (http://www.virginia.edu/woodson/courses/aas102%20%28spring%2001%29/articles/names/dubois.htm): “It’s not the name—it’s the Thing that counts.”


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crimethink
30th December 2014, 05:52 PM
I will accord a decent Black with the term "Black."

I will accord the rest with the term "Nigger."

I will never use the term "African-American" because they are neither African nor "American." No one in Africa wants them, either.

EE_
30th December 2014, 06:15 PM
Journal of Experimental Social Psychology, found that “Black” people are viewed more negatively than “African Americans” because of a perceived difference in socioeconomic status. As a result, “Black” people are thought of as less competent and as having colder personalities.

This is rediculas. I view the term 'African American' an insult to blacks born in the US.

I've wondered too, why the MSM calls black Americans, 'African Americans', when most have been born in this country and consider this their country. It's not just the MSN either, the government and president calls American blacks, African Americans.

Do we call the Mexicans, 'Mexican American', when most were not born here and are only loyal to Mexico?

Why don't we call Jews, 'Jewish Americans', when many/most are only loyal to Israel?
Maybe the MSN should just be calling them 'Jews'.

I still wonder why the government still asks you to pick a race on gov/legal forms. With the government being so anti-racist, anti-discrimination. They should they only ask if you are a citizen or not?

I think all people should be classified by the country they are loyal to, but to be classed American, you have to be a citizen.

Shami-Amourae
30th December 2014, 06:21 PM
Are Whites in South Africa called "European African"?

crimethink
30th December 2014, 06:31 PM
I still wonder why the government still asks you to pick a race on gov/legal forms.

You're serious?!

You wonder why?

It's no wonder - it's to use as a battering ram against Americans - that is, White people in America.

The entire category of "Hispanic of any race" is an absurdity. It was used as a weapon against White "non-Hispanics." A Nigger Puerto Rican and a White or almost-White Mexican have nothing in common other than language. Tying them together created a voting and socio-political bloc which didn't exist before.

Notice, too, the break-up of Asian into several sub-categories. When do we see the same for White people? Never!

It was all racial politics against the once American majority.

singular_me
30th December 2014, 06:37 PM
agree EE, I wonder why we are asked about our race on many legal documents in america. I always choose "other" when possible. (but maybe we can trust CT's explanation)

good, born in africa, fully raised in europe, intellectually more german than latin, move to america to be called a black, thats a full circle :) ...

No wonder that I like the no-man's land, am in perpetual airport transit zones... what will my status be like in ecuador?

EE_
30th December 2014, 06:46 PM
You're serious?!

You wonder why?

It's no wonder - it's to use as a battering ram against Americans - that is, White people in America.

The entire category of "Hispanic of any race" is an absurdity. It was used as a weapon against White "non-Hispanics." A Nigger Puerto Rican and a White or almost-White Mexican have nothing in common other than language. Tying them together created a voting and socio-political bloc which didn't exist before.

Notice, too, the break-up of Asian into several sub-categories. When do we see the same for White people? Never!

It was all racial politics against the once American majority.

I do know the reason is as you stated...I guess I should have said, why doesn't everyone question the government on this. They're the ones that created racial hate/discrimination laws.
People shouldn't put up with this shit!
People should only fill out their race questions on forms with 'American'.

EE_
30th December 2014, 06:49 PM
agree EE, I wonder why we are asked about our race on many legal documents in america. I always choose "other" when possible. (but maybe we can trust CT's explanation)

good, born in africa, fully raised in europe, intellectually more german than latin, move to america to be called a black, thats a full circle :) ...

No wonder that I like the no-man's land, am in perpetual airport transit zones... what will my status be like in ecuador?

Don't play their game any more. Write in 'American' always and from now on.

The last time I filled out the US census form. I wrote 'American' in the race section.
My ethnic background is none of their damn business!

EE_
30th December 2014, 07:13 PM
And further more, I resent being called a 'consumer'. What does that make the people who's products we consume? The Predator? The 'Profiteer'?

General of Darkness
30th December 2014, 07:23 PM
I just call them Canadians.

monty
30th December 2014, 08:10 PM
Don't play their game any more. Write in 'American' always and from now on.

The last time I filled out the US census form. I wrote 'American' in the race section.
My ethnic background none of their damn business!

When I fill out a census form I only answer how many people live at this address.

crimethink
30th December 2014, 08:24 PM
I do know the reason is as you stated...I guess I should have said, why doesn't everyone question the government on this. They're the ones that created racial hate/discrimination laws.
People shouldn't put up with this shit!
People should only fill out their race questions on forms with 'American'.

On the last census, I selected "Other" and wrote in "Aryan" just to f**k up their stats. (I also put "non-obligatory by guarantee of the Fourth, Fifth, and Ninth Amendments" to several questions).

The non-Whites who benefit from the racial classification aren't going to complain. And neither will White liberals, since they're so deluded about believing "affirmative action" is "necessary."

crimethink
30th December 2014, 08:27 PM
And further more, I resent being called a 'consumer'. What does that make the people who's products we consume? The Predator? The 'Profiteer'?

I made a big fuss in my profession about the move from "client" to "consumer." I refused to use the term. I said a "client" is someone you serve; a "consumer" is a "useless eater." The vast majority just thought the few of us were just "complainers" or even "loons." Funny, the minority of us are winning out, as the term "client" is coming back now due to backlash from the "consumers."

EE_
30th December 2014, 08:35 PM
I made a big fuss in my profession about the move from "client" to "consumer." I refused to use the term. I said a "client" is someone you serve; a "consumer" is a "useless eater." The vast majority just thought the few of us were just "complainers" or even "loons." Funny, the minority of us are winning out, as the term "client" is coming back now due to backlash from the "consumers."

Right, a 'client' is one party in a business arrangement/agreement.
A 'consumer' is useless non-producer who sucks-off the producer/seller/doler.

crimethink
30th December 2014, 08:48 PM
Right, a 'client' is one party in a business arrangement/agreement.
A 'consumer' is useless non-producer who sucks-off the producer/seller/doler.

The usage is intentional. "Consumers" are "human resources" which may be disposed of at will. Words have meaning. It is imperative to understand those meanings.