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According to global market data from the top Official Mints, sales of Silver Eagles originate overwhelmingly from public retail investment demand rather than by one large bank… such as JP Morgan. I say this in response to the allegation put forth by silver analyst, Ted Butler who believes JP Morgan purchased half of all Silver Eagles since April, 2011.
Ted Butler, who has made this claim over the past several months, does so again in his recent article, The Perfect Crime (http://www.silverseek.com/commentary/perfect-crime-13944). Butler states the following:
For starters, there is the matter of extraordinary sales of Silver Eagles from the US Mint. Since April 2011, the US Mint has produced and sold 140 million Silver Eagles, more than in any similar period of time, in a price environment that can only be termed putrid and in which sales of Gold Eagles were notably lower. I would estimate that JPMorgan purchased close to half of the 140 million Silver Eagles sold since April 2011. According to very reliable sources on the retail front, general investment demand has been lower over this time, as retail buyers do not buy strongly into a declining price environment in any investment asset. Yet we know for a fact that there has been extraordinary buying of Silver Eagles, even while Gold Eagle sales cooled off notably, so someone had to be buying Silver Eagles.
Butler assumes JP Morgan purchased half of the 140 million Silver Eagles produced since April, 2011… and he believes this to be true because “According to very reliable sources, general investment demand has been lower over this time.”
This is where I disagree with Butler. Now, let me start off by saying it was Ted Butler’s writing back in the early 2000’s that motivated me to start buying silver. So, I have a lot of respect for Ted as he was one of the leading silver analysts writing about the shiny metal well before it became on the public’s radar.
While I believe there is significant manipulation in the precious metals markets (including most other markets) by member banks, I do not agree with Butler that JP Morgan purchased nearly half of all Silver Eagles since 2011… and I believe I have the market evidence to support my claim.
Top 3 Official Coin Sales Support Broad Based Public Demand

If we look at the top 3 Official Coin sales since 2008, we can see a similar overall trend. Let’s first take a look at the U.S. Mint sales in the chart below:

http://srsroccoreport.com/wp-content/uploads/U.S.-Mint-Silver-Eagle-Sales-2008-2013-1.jpg (http://srsroccoreport.com/wp-content/uploads/U.S.-Mint-Silver-Eagle-Sales-2008-2013-1.jpg)
As the price of silver skyrocketed, U.S. Mint Silver Eagle sales increased from 19.5 million in 2008 to 39.8 million in 2011. However, as the price of silver declined and remained flat in 2012, demand for Silver Eagles fell 15% to 33.7 million. Then in 2013, U.S. Mint sales hit a new record of 42.6 million as investors took advantage of sub $20 silver.
Butler alleges that as JP Morgan drove down the price, it purchased half of all Silver Eagles at a steal. Well, if this was the case, then who was buying record sales of Silver Philharmonics and Silver Maples?? If we take a look at the next two charts, we can clearly see a similar trend in these two 0fficial silver coin sales:







Sales of Silver Canadian Maples and Austrian Philharmonics increased steadily from 2008 to 2011, declined in 2012 and then shot back up in 2013. So, if JP Morgan allegedly bought half of all Silver Eagles since 2011, who was propping up sales of Silver Maples and Silver Philharmonics?

Furthermore, Canadian Silver Maple Leaf sales in the first three-quarters of 2014 hit a new record of 20.8 million compared to 20.7 million during the same period last year. However, Silver Eagle sales declined from 36.1 million Q1-Q3 2013 to 32.2 million Q1-Q3 2014.

If JP Morgan was buying half of the 32.2 million Silver Eagles from Jan-Sept of 2014, then who was buying the record 20.8 million Canadian Maples?? While Silver Eagle sales were weaker than Maples in the first nine months of the year, they have picked up significantly in the fourth quarter reaching a new annual record of 44 million.

Now, by combining the sales of the top three Official Silver Coins, we can see how the annual changes in the top three, were quite similar:

http://srsroccoreport.com/wp-content/uploads/Top-3-Official-Coin-Sales-2008-2013.png (http://srsroccoreport.com/wp-content/uploads/Top-3-Official-Coin-Sales-2008-2013.png)

All three official coin sales moved in the same fashion…. up from 2008-2011, a decline in 2012 and then up again in 2013. While 2013 Silver Philharmonic sales did not surpass the record set in 2011, this was probably due to investors choosing Canadian Silver Maples with one of the lowest premiums of all official coins.

As we can see, the market sales data proves that all the top three Official Silver coin sales moved in tandem since 2011. I believe the public was the overwhelming factor in purchasing Silver Eagles… not JP Morgan.

In addition, India’s silver imports increased from 2009-2011, declined significantly in 2012 and then picked up again in 2013. Furthermore India’s silver imports, along with record Silver Eagle and Maple sales, will reach an estimated record of 7,500 metric tons in 2014. Was JP Morgan also buying Indian Silver???
Top Internet Coin Dealers Confirm Higher Silver Eagle Sales


Ted Butler states that he has reliable sources stating that overall retail investment demand is lower, proving that JP Morgan is the large Silver Eagle buyer. I decided to contact some of the large Online Precious Metal Dealers to see if their Silver Eagle sales have in fact declined since 2011.

I contacted APMEX, JM Bullion, Gainesville Coin and SilverDoctors. Three got back with me (APMEX failed to return my call in time of publication) and supported the market data that public demand for Silver Eagles increased over the past three years along with the rise of sales at the U.S. Mint.

JM Bullion and SilverDoctors let me know that they deal with some of the Authorized Dealers (who purchase Silver Eagles directly from the U.S. Mint), and they would have mentioned that JP Morgan was buying half of their Silver Eagle allotments since 2011.

JM Bullion, Gainesville Coin and Silver Doctors all agreed that the public has been buying increasing numbers of Silver Eagles, especially on the dips, since 2011. While demand for standard silver bullion may not be as robust as it was in 2011, it seems as if investors are purchasing more LEGAL TENDER SILVER COINS, especially Silver Eagles and Silver Maples.

If JP Morgan was buying half of all Silver Eagles since 2011, as Butler suggests, then we would have seen a decline in sales of Silver Philharmonics and Silver Maples. Not only have sales of Silver Maples hit new record of 20.8 million Q1-Q3 2014, they will likely be quite strong in last three months of 2014… even with rationing due to the huge take-down in the price of silver on Halloween and into the first week of November.

I wanted to provide a rebuttal to Butler’s allegation that JP Morgan was the large buyer of Silver Eagles because his opinion takes CREDIT AWAY FROM THE PUBLIC, and puts it in the hands of the BANKERS. While Ted Butler provides excellent information on the silver market, I believe his opinion on this matter is incorrect.

One last thing… Butler states the “putrid sales of Gold Eagles compared to Silver Eagles” as another factor proving that JP Morgan was the big silver buyer. While it’s true that Gold Eagle sales have declined significantly since 2011, so have Gold Maple Leaf sales. Matter-a-fact, Gold Maple Leaf sales are down 46% in the first nine months of 2014 compared to the same period last year… even though sales of Silver Maples continue into record territory.

As these three Official Coin Retail Dealers agreed, its the public taking advantage of lower silver prices by adding metal to their investment holdings. This also includes WEALTHY PRIVATE BUYERS who purchase silver in large lots.

We must remember, the buying of Official Silver Coins is from a very small motivated percentage of the public. Can you imagine what will happen when 98% of the public realizes they have invested in FINANCIAL PAPER ASSETS that have no future?

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According to global market data from the top Official Mints, sales of Silver Eagles originate overwhelmingly from public retail investment demand rather than by one large bank… such as JP Morgan. I say this in response to the allegation put forth by silver analyst, Ted Butler who believes JP Morgan purchased half of all Silver Eagles since April, 2011.
Ted Butler, who has made this claim over the past several months, does so again in his recent article, The Perfect Crime (http://www.silverseek.com/commentary/perfect-crime-13944). Butler states the following:
For starters, there is the matter of extraordinary sales of Silver Eagles from the US Mint. Since April 2011, the US Mint has produced and sold 140 million Silver Eagles, more than in any similar period of time, in a price environment that can only be termed putrid and in which sales of Gold Eagles were notably lower. I would estimate that JPMorgan purchased close to half of the 140 million Silver Eagles sold since April 2011. According to very reliable sources on the retail front, general investment demand has been lower over this time, as retail buyers do not buy strongly into a declining price environment in any investment asset. Yet we know for a fact that there has been extraordinary buying of Silver Eagles, even while Gold Eagle sales cooled off notably, so someone had to be buying Silver Eagles.
Butler assumes JP Morgan purchased half of the 140 million Silver Eagles produced since April, 2011… and he believes this to be true because “According to very reliable sources, general investment demand has been lower over this time.”
This is where I disagree with Butler. Now, let me start off by saying it was Ted Butler’s writing back in the early 2000’s that motivated me to start buying silver. So, I have a lot of respect for Ted as he was one of the leading silver analysts writing about the shiny metal well before it became on the public’s radar.
While I believe there is significant manipulation in the precious metals markets (including most other markets) by member banks, I do not agree with Butler that JP Morgan purchased nearly half of all Silver Eagles since 2011… and I believe I have the market evidence to support my claim.
Top 3 Official Coin Sales Support Broad Based Public Demand

If we look at the top 3 Official Coin sales since 2008, we can see a similar overall trend. Let’s first take a look at the U.S. Mint sales in the chart below:

http://srsroccoreport.com/wp-content/uploads/U.S.-Mint-Silver-Eagle-Sales-2008-2013-1.jpg (http://srsroccoreport.com/wp-content/uploads/U.S.-Mint-Silver-Eagle-Sales-2008-2013-1.jpg)
As the price of silver skyrocketed, U.S. Mint Silver Eagle sales increased from 19.5 million in 2008 to 39.8 million in 2011. However, as the price of silver declined and remained flat in 2012, demand for Silver Eagles fell 15% to 33.7 million. Then in 2013, U.S. Mint sales hit a new record of 42.6 million as investors took advantage of sub $20 silver.
Butler alleges that as JP Morgan drove down the price, it purchased half of all Silver Eagles at a steal. Well, if this was the case, then who was buying record sales of Silver Philharmonics and Silver Maples?? If we take a look at the next two charts, we can clearly see a similar trend in these two 0fficial silver coin sales:

http://srsroccoreport.com/wp-content/uploads/Canadian-Silver-Maple-Leaf-Sales-2008-2013-1.jpg (http://srsroccoreport.com/wp-content/uploads/Canadian-Silver-Maple-Leaf-Sales-2008-2013-1.jpg)

http://srsroccoreport.com/wp-content/uploads/Austrian-Silver-Philharmonic-Sales-2008-2013-1.jpg (http://srsroccoreport.com/wp-content/uploads/Austrian-Silver-Philharmonic-Sales-2008-2013-1.jpg)

Sales of Silver Canadian Maples and Austrian Philharmonics increased steadily from 2008 to 2011, declined in 2012 and then shot back up in 2013. So, if JP Morgan allegedly bought half of all Silver Eagles since 2011, who was propping up sales of Silver Maples and Silver Philharmonics?

Furthermore, Canadian Silver Maple Leaf sales in the first three-quarters of 2014 hit a new record of 20.8 million compared to 20.7 million during the same period last year. However, Silver Eagle sales declined from 36.1 million Q1-Q3 2013 to 32.2 million Q1-Q3 2014.

If JP Morgan was buying half of the 32.2 million Silver Eagles from Jan-Sept of 2014, then who was buying the record 20.8 million Canadian Maples?? While Silver Eagle sales were weaker than Maples in the first nine months of the year, they have picked up significantly in the fourth quarter reaching a new annual record of 44 million.

Now, by combining the sales of the top three Official Silver Coins, we can see how the annual changes in the top three, were quite similar:

http://srsroccoreport.com/wp-content/uploads/Top-3-Official-Coin-Sales-2008-2013.png (http://srsroccoreport.com/wp-content/uploads/Top-3-Official-Coin-Sales-2008-2013.png)

All three official coin sales moved in the same fashion…. up from 2008-2011, a decline in 2012 and then up again in 2013. While 2013 Silver Philharmonic sales did not surpass the record set in 2011, this was probably due to investors choosing Canadian Silver Maples with one of the lowest premiums of all official coins.

As we can see, the market sales data proves that all the top three Official Silver coin sales moved in tandem since 2011. I believe the public was the overwhelming factor in purchasing Silver Eagles… not JP Morgan.

In addition, India’s silver imports increased from 2009-2011, declined significantly in 2012 and then picked up again in 2013. Furthermore India’s silver imports, along with record Silver Eagle and Maple sales, will reach an estimated record of 7,500 metric tons in 2014. Was JP Morgan also buying Indian Silver???
Top Internet Coin Dealers Confirm Higher Silver Eagle Sales


Ted Butler states that he has reliable sources stating that overall retail investment demand is lower, proving that JP Morgan is the large Silver Eagle buyer. I decided to contact some of the large Online Precious Metal Dealers to see if their Silver Eagle sales have in fact declined since 2011.

I contacted APMEX, JM Bullion, Gainesville Coin and SilverDoctors. Three got back with me (APMEX failed to return my call in time of publication) and supported the market data that public demand for Silver Eagles increased over the past three years along with the rise of sales at the U.S. Mint.

JM Bullion and SilverDoctors let me know that they deal with some of the Authorized Dealers (who purchase Silver Eagles directly from the U.S. Mint), and they would have mentioned that JP Morgan was buying half of their Silver Eagle allotments since 2011.

JM Bullion, Gainesville Coin and Silver Doctors all agreed that the public has been buying increasing numbers of Silver Eagles, especially on the dips, since 2011. While demand for standard silver bullion may not be as robust as it was in 2011, it seems as if investors are purchasing more LEGAL TENDER SILVER COINS, especially Silver Eagles and Silver Maples.

If JP Morgan was buying half of all Silver Eagles since 2011, as Butler suggests, then we would have seen a decline in sales of Silver Philharmonics and Silver Maples. Not only have sales of Silver Maples hit new record of 20.8 million Q1-Q3 2014, they will likely be quite strong in last three months of 2014… even with rationing due to the huge take-down in the price of silver on Halloween and into the first week of November.

I wanted to provide a rebuttal to Butler’s allegation that JP Morgan was the large buyer of Silver Eagles because his opinion takes CREDIT AWAY FROM THE PUBLIC, and puts it in the hands of the BANKERS. While Ted Butler provides excellent information on the silver market, I believe his opinion on this matter is incorrect.

One last thing… Butler states the “putrid sales of Gold Eagles compared to Silver Eagles” as another factor proving that JP Morgan was the big silver buyer. While it’s true that Gold Eagle sales have declined significantly since 2011, so have Gold Maple Leaf sales. Matter-a-fact, Gold Maple Leaf sales are down 46% in the first nine months of 2014 compared to the same period last year… even though sales of Silver Maples continue into record territory.

As these three Official Coin Retail Dealers agreed, its the public taking advantage of lower silver prices by adding metal to their investment holdings. This also includes WEALTHY PRIVATE BUYERS who purchase silver in large lots.

We must remember, the buying of Official Silver Coins is from a very small motivated percentage of the public. Can you imagine what will happen when 98% of the public realizes they have invested in FINANCIAL PAPER ASSETS that have no future?

Please check back for new articles and updates at the SRSrocco Report (http://srsroccoreport.com/). You can also follow us at Twitter below:

EE_
2nd January 2015, 03:01 AM
Seems like there's a never ending supply of silver.
As much that gets used along with record retail demand and the price goes nowhere.

Twisted Titan
2nd January 2015, 05:36 AM
The pressure that breaks the back wont come from the USA

It will come from a country abroad that will dubble down on the metal and e
When the regulators put the kabosh on it.

Onlookers will wonder what the fuss is and the bloggosphere will soon catch afire and people will soon be parking paper and digital money in the real metal.

The conflagaration that enusues will leave all , i repeat all slackjawed mouth gaping wide open.

gunDriller
2nd January 2015, 06:09 AM
i think most of the people who buy Eagles don't much care for JP Morgan.

i don't think JPM buys many Eagles.

when they buy Silver, i suspect it's in 1000 ounce bars, when it's not paper.

sorryjoker
2nd January 2015, 06:26 AM
Yeaaah Silver.... will outperform gold this year..

Twisted Titan
2nd January 2015, 08:38 AM
If they break silver down to 10 dollars spot a few things will happen.

1 you will never see it for purchase at that price
2 mines will have to be subsidized or go defunct
3smaller mines that are not connected will go bust
4 i will become a male prostitue because every penny,dime and dollar i will be buying metal


So absent that scenario silver has no where to go but up

mick silver
2nd January 2015, 10:17 AM
one reason you see more people buying silver then gold is it's the poor man metal right now , in time that will change it want be the poor man metal

Sparky
2nd January 2015, 09:25 PM
Seems like there's a never ending supply of silver.
As much that gets used along with record retail demand and the price goes nowhere.

I've thought a lot about this observation.

It's a numbers game. The supply does seem to be unlimited, e.g. the demand for Eagles has tripled as the price has dropped.

In order to turn the tide, there needs to be a broader acceptance amongst the investment community. In spite of the impressive demand increase for silver Eagles, precious metals investment remains just a few percentage points of the the global investment pie. It's got to go through a big popularity cycle, like real estate, tech stocks, etc. A demand from the general investment community would dwarf the demand that is represented by Eagle sales. Retail purchases of Eagles is small potatoes. Look at it this way: in breaking its annual record, about $800 million dollars was spent on Eagles in 2014. Yesterday, the investment community put $1 billion dollars into Microsoft stock. One stock, in one day.

I know SLV is unpopular hear (and I would never buy it), but that is the vehicle that's going to make the difference. The BIG institutional money isn't going to buy Eagles; it's going to buy SLV.