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Ares
2nd January 2015, 05:06 PM
Showing that even the police are incredibly brainwashed by TV programming that always shows them as needed heroes the New York police may have made a career-threatening mistake by effectively going on strike this month.

The 34,500 uniformed members of the NYPD, which Mayor Bloomberg once called the world’s seventh largest army, had two of their members shot this month and in protest they decided to stop harassing people for awhile.

According to the New York Post, in the week after the shootings, citations for traffic violations fell by 94 percent, from 10,069 to 587 compared to the same week in 2013. Summonses for low-level offenses like public drinking and urination also plunged 94 percent — from 4,831 to 300. Even parking violations are way down, dropping by 92 percent, from 14,699 to 1,241. Drug arrests by cops assigned to the NYPD’s Organized Crime Control Bureau — which are part of the overall number — dropped by 84 percent, from 382 to 63.

In other words, tens of thousands of victimless crimes were actually treated the way they should be… not as crimes at all.

https://www.dollarvigilante.com/sites/all/sites/default/files/images/why-they-need-us1.jpg

If this was done in protest to garner public support it has massively backfired as at least, according to the numbers above, 27,790 people weren’t harassed, kidnapped (arrested), extorted (fined) and had their week ruined last week for absolutely nothing.

There is plenty of precedent of how police have stopped enforcing victimless crimes and it having improved the lives of people in the community.

The most obvious one was in Acapulco, Mexico, where I am writing from, where I wrote this summer how the municipal and transit police went on strike and how much it improved the city. It improved it so much that still to this day there are no municipal and transit police as the people demanded that they did not want them back. (That article, “What Happens When All The Police In A Town Are Removed (https://www.dollarvigilante.com/blog/2014/10/1/what-happens-when-all-the-police-in-a-town-are-removed.html)” was our most popular article of all-time with 19,000 likes and hundreds of thousands of shares). [Editor’s Note: If you’d like to see how well it works come on down to Anarchapulco this February 27th to March 1st where many of the world’s brightest free market thinkers will be congregating]

Other examples include a German town that removed all traffic lights and codes and resulted in much less traffic accidents (they virtually stopped) and a much better flow of traffic.

This makes complete sense. By trying to enforce the movements of millions of people down to intricate detail and having men with guns watching them to see if they break any of the countless rules (that now includes going either 1 km/h over or under the speed limit in New Zealand) it results in road rage, chaos, accidents and stifled traffic flow. The legalization of marijuana in Colorado has even led to a decrease in murders by more than 50%!

The simplest example of why this is would be to take a busy town square where thousands of people manage to walk through it all day without colliding into each other on a regular basis. If you were to take that town square and put up all sorts of rules for where people could walk, limits on how fast or slow they could walk and signs and stop lights it would reduce the square to a mess of people all walking unnaturally, the traffic flow would nearly come to a halt and nearly everyone would be angry and irritated. Then, if you add to it, people with guns walking around accosting people who don’t follow every rule perfectly and you have what we have today in most of the Western world. A horrific mess.

As for New York, one has to wonder how much longer the police will stop harassing people and how much longer it will be before people begin to question why they should even have them at all. Or, at the very least, why not reduce them by 90% and have the remaining 10% only investigate real, serious crimes with actual victims?

And once it gets to that point then perhaps people will realize that these sort of security and investigation operations can be done by the private market and get rid of centrally planned (communist-style) policing once and for all.

In Detroit there is a private security firm that has operated for the last decade with amazing results. In all their security operations not one person has ever gotten physically hurt including their client, the aggressor or the security firm employees.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HnPZ1yuoFIc

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HnPZ1yuoFIc

Sadly the US has gone the route of heavy, communist-style central planning of many services including policing/security and the results are plain to see today all across the US.

With the NYPD stopping most of their operations in the last few weeks hopefully it will be enough to open many people’s eyes that this system itself is bad for society and they will search out free market solutions. Already the market has created countless solutions that negate the need for most police (and other) services, like the Peacekeeper App.

If people begin to realize this the only problem will be figuring out how to assimilate hundreds of thousands of mostly psychopathic police back into society. They will be the largest source of violence and crime once their government paid welfare checks stop cashing. But without their costumes and badges granting them virtual immunity from consequences of their own actions many of them will just recede into society and be “that guy” who beats people up at the bar sometimes or beats his wife (police beat their wives at double the national rate (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cops-beat-wives-girlfriends-double-national-rate-receive-promotions/)).

Bizarrely, many “conservatives” in the US can see how horrible central planning of things like welfare and minimum wage laws are but can’t quite see how central planning of security is just as bad for the same reasons.

Here’s to hoping that 2015 sees most of the New York Police Department unemployed and countless free market private enterprises come in that will show people, like Uber did, the difference between government controlled monopolies and free market solutions.

http://nevadastatepersonnelwatch.wordpress.com/2014/12/31/new-york-police-accidentally-show-people-they-are-not-needed-nor-wanted/

Cebu_4_2
2nd January 2015, 05:29 PM
Good read.

crimethink
2nd January 2015, 05:31 PM
If the violent crime statistics do not climb dramatically, there will be solid argument that the NYPD is very bloated, and needs to be reduced.

Cebu_4_2
2nd January 2015, 05:56 PM
If the violent crime statistics do not climb dramatically, there will be solid argument that the NYPD is very bloated, and needs to be reduced.

No police = no crime statistics? I can't find anything in regards searching 911 calls. This is either scrubbed or not monitored.. Luck of the draw?

Publico
2nd January 2015, 07:18 PM
Here's a good read: Are Cops Constitutional? (http://www.constitution.org/lrev/roots/cops.htm)

Be sure to read the footnotes that have text.

Ares
2nd January 2015, 07:23 PM
Here's a good read: Are Cops Constitutional? (http://www.constitution.org/lrev/roots/cops.htm)

Be sure to read the footnotes that have text.

Nope Police are NOT Constitutional. Police didn't really arrive on the scene until corporate government came into existence, and that is in of itself questionable. The framers never intended the U.S. to be run by corporate governance.

midnight rambler
2nd January 2015, 07:27 PM
Origin of POLICE

French, from Old French, from Late Latin politia government, administration, from Greek politeia, from politēs citizen, from polis city, state; akin to Sanskrit pur rampart, Lithuanian pilis castleFirst Known Use: 1716

palani
2nd January 2015, 08:00 PM
Verb

present active licet, present infinitive licēre, perfect active licuit, supine licitum (impersonal)

(with dative) it is allowed; one is permitted.

poli ...city ...Greek ...metropolis - a large city; police - people who work for the government to maintain order in a city; politics - actions of a government or political party.

Ergo POLI ... LICET

Ponce
2nd January 2015, 08:09 PM
"If there are no criminals, there will be no crimes".........

V

Publico
2nd January 2015, 08:41 PM
Nope Police are NOT Constitutional. Police didn't really arrive on the scene until corporate government came into existence, and that is in of itself questionable. The framers never intended the U.S. to be run by corporate governance.

Most of us here are in general agreement we're living a some type of corporate state, but try to explain that to your average Joe and you'll get either a blank 1,000 yard stare or so many questions needing a 45 minute explanation. I find it easier to explain at a level the semi-informed average Joe since they have at least he has heard of the Constitution.

Glass
2nd January 2015, 08:59 PM
interesting perspective. I've always felt that you bond in a society to enable basic human necessities to be provided. I'm not 100% convinced in the mantra that only private enterprise can provide the best outcome. I think in some areas, yes. But in others, I think society needs to keep control.

I think things like health and education can and should be provided by the government. Not as the only provider but as an important one. The issue is the profit motive and the civic duty motive. Some people truly are civically minded and if the system supported them instead of being critical (a special brand of marxism) of the organization and those government employees that work there.

If you said there was 30% profit in a service business such as health and you privatized all health provision either you are getting 30% less health care for your dollar or you are paying more. If the government delivers some of those services it should be able to do so and potentially deliver more for the same dollar because it doesn't have that profit portion. There's a term for that, I can't recall it. maybe social capital? Its spent on people directly helping people.

Cops should be peace officers, which apparently is what they have become here. I guess given the govt needs constant revenue this will have a flow on effect. Either they will have to go with out or there might be some kind of catch up period. Or heaven forbid as per the article this situation becomes the new status quo.

I truly hope for the status quo.

crimethink
2nd January 2015, 09:17 PM
Nope Police are NOT Constitutional. Police didn't really arrive on the scene until corporate government came into existence, and that is in of itself questionable. The framers never intended the U.S. to be run by corporate governance.

Civil peacekeeping was intended to be limited, as in Anglo-Saxon tradition, to the Reeve of the Shire, now called a Sheriff. Along with a reasonable number of deputies, many "deputized" only as needed. "Standing armies" of police were never intended, or desired.

mick silver
2nd January 2015, 09:20 PM
they will not be missed

crimethink
2nd January 2015, 09:20 PM
Cops should be peace officers, which apparently is what they have become here. I guess given the govt needs constant revenue this will have a flow on effect. Either they will have to go with out or there might be some kind of catch up period. Or heaven forbid as per the article this situation becomes the new status quo.

I truly hope for the status quo.

The lawyers (politicians) in power will never let it stand, since the malum prohibitum "crimes" which NYPD are not enforcing are, indeed, a huge - I mean, huge - "revenue stream." Not just funding "law enforcement" but general government expenditures.

Publico
2nd January 2015, 11:30 PM
Civil peacekeeping was intended to be limited, as in Anglo-Saxon tradition, to the Reeve of the Shire, now called a Sheriff. Along with a reasonable number of deputies, many "deputized" only as needed. "Standing armies" of police were never intended, or desired.

Being dependent on the local community to be willing to help via the posse and being generally more law-abiding since there were less laws to abide by. Enforcing just common law crimes is a lot easier (murder, assault/battery, burglary, theft, fraud, and a few sex crimes such as rape and crimes against nature) than enforcing laws passed by a legislature that needs to look busy.

crimethink
3rd January 2015, 01:04 AM
Being dependent on the local community to be willing to help via the posse and being generally more law-abiding since there were less laws to abide by. Enforcing just common law crimes is a lot easier (murder, assault/battery, burglary, theft, fraud, and a few sex crimes such as rape and crimes against nature) than enforcing laws passed by a legislature that needs to look busy.

The 20th Century saw the most rapid increase in the number of "crimes" in human history, almost all of them malum prohibitum. And nearly all of them evil and usually insane.

palani
3rd January 2015, 05:38 AM
The 20th Century saw the most rapid increase in the number of "crimes" in human history, almost all of them malum prohibitum. And nearly all of them evil and usually insane.

When people get fed up with government and opt out then government response is to re-awaken survival instincts in the miscreant by applied penitence (aka housing at penitentiary).

Hatha Sunahara
3rd January 2015, 01:44 PM
What we'll see in their place will be the Secret Police (the Gestapo). It's mostly in place already. When it is fully implmented we'll all have to watch what we say, and we'll start seeing people disappear. There won't be any way to get rid of that, and the average joe will think anybody who talks about them is a conspiracy nut.

Hatha

crimethink
3rd January 2015, 02:45 PM
What we'll see in their place will be the Secret Police (the Gestapo). It's mostly in place already. When it is fully implmented we'll all have to watch what we say, and we'll start seeing people disappear. There won't be any way to get rid of that, and the average joe will think anybody who talks about them is a conspiracy nut.


An alternative is the creation of a uniformed "United States Police," controlled solely by the Federal regime. "A new agency which will assure uniform, fair policing nationwide, with racial equality & justice in the forefront." This could be the purpose of the "Black Lives Matter" propaganda campaign currently.

Too many Sheriffs and smaller agency police chiefs may follow along with the War on Some Drugs, but they just might not go along with gun confiscation and domestic extraordinary rendition (aka "disappearances"). A United States Police would circumvent that problem.

The current Federal secret police agencies (FBI, BATF, DEA, DHS, and so on) would be expanded, but not phenomenally.

palani
3rd January 2015, 02:49 PM
An alternative is the creation of a uniformed "United States Police,"

As long as we are looking at alternatives why not let the Boy Scouts police the Girl Scouts?

Ponce
3rd January 2015, 05:00 PM
"Where there is a cop, there always will be a crime"......

V

Hatha Sunahara
12th January 2015, 01:32 PM
It appears that the cops themselves are not too enthusiastic about being revenue agents for thepoliticians. Many of them have made a wiser judgement than the politicians have made that the ill-will created by policing for revenues is not worth the revenues it generates for the politicians simply because the cops are on the front lines and have to bear thre blowback from that ill-will. This is analogous to U. S. Foreign policy and the ill will it creates throughout the world.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/10/the-nypd-slowdown-s-dirty-little-secret.html




The NYPD Slowdown’s Dirty Little SecretCutting off low level arrests was supposed to be a bargaining tactic for police officers in New York, but not all of them want the slowdown to end.
The police slowdown in New York, where cops have virtually stopped making certain types of low-level arrests, might be coming to an end soon. For a lot of police officers, it’ll be an unhappy moment, because they never liked making the penny ante collars in the first place.
“We’re coming out of what was a pretty widespread stoppage of certain types of activity, the discretionary type of activity by and large,” police commissioner Bill Bratton told NPR’s Robert Siegel (http://www.wnyc.org/story/bratton-confirms-nypd-work-slowdown/) in an interview Friday.
In the rank and file of the police department, there are mixed feelings about the slowdown and a possible return to the status quo.
“I’d break it down like this,” an officer in East Harlem told The Daily Beast. “20 percent of the department is very active, they’d arrest their mothers if they could, and they want to get back to work. Another 20 percent doesn’t want any activity period; they’d be happy to hide and nap all day.”
The officer added, “And then there’s the great middle that thinks things are fine now as far as their concerned and all they want is good arrests.”
The not good arrests, by implication, were all the low level infractions policed as part of the so-called “Broken Windows” approach to law enforcement, defended by both Bratton and Mayor de Blasio. It holds that one of the ways to bust high-level crooks is to crack down on seemingly minor crimes.
Between December 29 2014—January 4 2015, arrests across New York city dropped by 56 percent and summonses were down 92 percent (http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/city-hall/2015/01/8559634/police-activity-dropped-major-slowdown) compared to the same time last year.
It’s not novel to point out that the police slowdown, which pitted the police and their unions against city hall, granted one of the central demands of the #blacklivesmatter protestors—an end to Broken Windows policing.
Less noted though, is how many police officers are themselves ambivalent about actively enforcing low level offenses, and how that bodes for the post-slowdown future of policing in New York.
Retired NYPD lieutenant Steve Osborne made the point in an op-ed for the New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/08/opinion/the-nypd-protests-an-officers-view.html?_r=0) that was sharply critical of both de Blasio and the protestors.

“I have to suspend my disbelief,” the officer in East Harlem said, “to see how sentencing a guy with an open container is going to really bring crime down.”


“More police productivity has meant far less crime, but at a certain point New York began to feel like, yes, a police state, and the police don’t like it any more than you,” Osborne wrote.
“The time has probably come for the Police Department to ease up on the low-level ‘broken-windows’ stuff while re-evaluating the impact it may or may not have on real, serious crime,” he added. “No one will welcome this more than the average cop on the beat, who has been pressed to find crime where so much less of it exists.”
Day to day, no one has been telling police officers in New York how not to do their jobs.
“It sounds very unusual,” the officer in East Harlem said, “but I haven’t seen any coordinated activity besides the union putting the message out and then saying jump.”
It hasn’t taken much effort to coordinate the slowdown because, as Osborne notes, average beat cops were never that excited in the first place with going after public urination and loitering arrests. To them, it was a distraction from stopping more serious crimes.
Broken Windows advocates argue that some cops always resisted more active policing. When Broken Windows was first introduced, they say, police officers had to be pushed, by Bratton among other, to adopt the active policing approach that brought crime down to its current historic lows in new York.
But as New York got safer, the methods rather than the results became the measures of success. More arrests meant better policing as the tail started to wag the dog.
Bratton himself has said nearly as much in criticizing his predecessor Ray Kelly’s overuse of the controversial stop and frisk tactic that overwhelmingly targeted minorities.
“The commissioner and the former mayor did a great job in the sense of keeping the community safe, keeping crime down, but one of the tools used to do that, I believe, was used too extensively,” Bratton said in March 2014.
Stop and Frisks have fallen considerably since their high in 2011 when 685,724 New Yorkers were stopped by police, but some numbers driven approaches remain embedded in the department.
As a detective in the Bronx tells The Daily Beast, “there technically are no quotas” in the police department “but you can call them what you want, “productivity goals,” they are back door quotas.”
And those back door quotas can put pressure on officers.
“I have to suspend my disbelief,” the officer in East Harlem said, “to see how sentencing a guy with an open container is going to really bring crime down.”
“Violent crimes haven’t gotten worse in my little slice of heaven despite the slowdown on summonses and misdemeanors,” the officer added. “We’re still responding to robbery patterns. We haven’t gone down in presence for the more serious offenses.”
He acknowledged that it was too soon to say how such a policing strategy would play out over an extended period. “Whether it works will reveal itself over time. That remains to be seen.”
Once New York is out of the slowdown, it’s not clear what kind of policing the city will see on the other side. Will Bratton push the police to bring arrests back up to levels before they dropped off or will the department test its ability to back off?
Maybe there will be some new middle ground possible despite the bluster and rhetoric. According to The Daily News, the combative president of the police union is pushing for just a slowdown that’s a little bit faster. As one police source told the paper (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/bill-clinton-staying-nypd-de-blasio-feud-article-1.2070327), “He said they should go back to at least 50% of what they used to do.”

BrewTech
12th January 2015, 01:41 PM
I dunno... that "cop from East Harlem" seemed a little too articulate for a contemporary law enforcer.I didn't notice him say "subject", "compliance" or "officer safety" a single time in making his case... strange.

Hatha Sunahara
12th January 2015, 02:06 PM
I dunno... that "cop from East Harlem" seemed a little too articulate for a contemporary law enforcer.I didn't notice him say "subject", "compliance" or "officer safety" a single time in making his case... strange.

Are you referring to his description of verisimilitude to describe his skepticism?

Cebu_4_2
12th January 2015, 02:25 PM
I call propaganda, many many duplicate stories:

https://www.google.com/search?q=The+NYPD+Slowdown%E2%80%99s+Dirty+Little+ Secret&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb

BrewTech
12th January 2015, 09:25 PM
Are you referring to his description of verisimilitude to describe his skepticism?

In a way, yes.