The Terence Mckenna thread

[expat4ever]

Pretty interesting guy. Did a lot of shrooms and had a greater understanding of everything because of it. Maybe not always 100% accurate but worth listening to to understand some of the complexity in todays world and to look at things from a larger picture. (:;)

This one is only an hr or so long and in the end he talks about our relationship with nature and the galaxy as a whole. This was in 1998 and now it seems like he was on to something. As the recent photos and models of the universe continue to be developed its obvious we are all conneted with everything in some way. Is it a god that did this or just nature taking its course?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCaK35DQ4uk

[midnight rambler]

Is it a god that did this or just nature taking its course?

You should know by now that it's both, a dichotomy.

[Hatha Sunahara]

He's the modern day Timothy Leary. A drugged out intellectual. If you wanted to understand Leary 45 years ago, you had to experience an LSD trip. McKenna's drug of choice is ayahuasca, which is a south American jungle plant that contains DMT (dimethyltryptamine)- a halucinogen. There is a synthesized version of it called 5 MEO DMT. I know aout it because I am in touch with people who use vaporizers,and this substance can put you on a short trip (about one hour or less) by vaping or smoking it, whereas ayahuasca has to be taken with a monoamine oxidase inhibitor so that you don't get an extreme case of nausea when you take ayahuasca orally--and that will result in a trip of six hours or more while you are having the heaves. I think I could understand McKenna better if I had the DMT experiencce,which supposedly is much more intense than LSD.

Hatha

[old steel]

That is some powerful trippy shit. A couple near and dear to me went to the jungles of Peru and did it.

They claimed to me they actually crossed over to the other side and spoke to deceased relatives.

Anyways here is a documentary on people who did the same. The Ayahuasca appears to have helped then greatly with the depression/trauma they have experienced in real life and they are not suicidal anymore.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEWsX7ikqdo

[singular_me]

to me drugged out means "addict" and psychedelics dont cause addiction. Ayahuasca is not a psychedelics however, it is a medicine/sacred plant that will take you beyond a trip experience deep into other realities as it opens the crown chakra fully. It also is an out of body experience.

It is my understanding that all journeys are different, the medicine will give you what you need to heal your innerverse, but one thing is certain is that it will address all your inner fears, journeys are tough experiences during which you will learn to surrender the feminine spirit/medicine. That's is key, thats the deal: to get the cosmic insight and heal, one must first surrender to ones inner fears.

Denial of those fears will cause resistance to what "she" shows you and plunge you in a state of great panic, you will visit your own hell. The medicine is not recreational. A shaman is needed to guide you through.

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Ayahuasca May Hold Key to Breaking Addiction, But Canada Is Forcing Doctor to Stop Testing
Read more at http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2012/04/30/ayahuasca-may-hold-key-breaking-addiction-canada-forcing-doctor-stop-testing-110073


DMT: The Spirit Molecule - Rick Strassman MD
http://www.rickstrassman.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=54&Itemid=54


The Spirit Molecule explores the enigmatic dimethyltryptamine (DMT), a psychedelic molecule found throughout nature, including humans, and potentially every living organism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN58cO5_EnM




He's the modern day Timothy Leary. A drugged out intellectual. If you wanted to understand Leary 45 years ago, you had to experience an LSD trip. McKenna's drug of choice is ayahuasca, which is a south American jungle plant that contains DMT (dimethyltryptamine)- a halucinogen. There is a synthesized version of it called 5 MEO DMT. I know aout it because I am in touch with people who use vaporizers,and this substance can put you on a short trip (about one hour or less) by vaping or smoking it, whereas ayahuasca has to be taken with a monoamine oxidase inhibitor so that you don't get an extreme case of nausea when you take ayahuasca orally--and that will result in a trip of six hours or more while you are having the heaves. I think I could understand McKenna better if I had the DMT experiencce,which supposedly is much more intense than LSD.

Hatha

[expat4ever]

At About the 48 minute mark he talks a about some science stuff that I found interesting. Speed of light,, melting point of chemical ect..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Dq4XEB8BDk

[Horn]

From freedom and law, to novelty and habit.

Gawd i hate to admit that he's probably correct.

[expat4ever]

I enjoy listening to him if for no other reason than I am amazed that he had such a vast arsenal of knowledge. It doesnt hurt that i learn a thing or 2 from it as well. His conclusions arent always correct but he puts together a good argument. There is one video with him and a couple other intellectuals going at it.. Very enjoyable to watch . I'll add it to this thread for the entertainment value.
Then again the entire thread is for entertainment anyway. A nice break from the constant doom and gloom.

[singular_me]

am 20mins into it.... excellent.

[Horn]

Yes the melting points, speed of light, and general relativity detractions are all true. Even recently they are picking up different signals from the sun regarding extreme variability in radio carbon dating.

Dont ever look at the Sun as anything other than a nuclear furnace though....

I still hold true that there is a science to magic.

[Santa]

Not trying to rain on anyone's parade here, but I just came across this piece of info in which Terrence Mckenna admits that he was an FBI/CIA public relations agent.
I don't much like it, as I've long enjoyed his talks, but I can't dismiss what he himself clearly admitted to.

http://www.gnosticmedia.com/McKenna-Agent

[expat4ever]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj1yFZRmFsw#t=18

Thanks for finding that Santa. I had heard him talk about the fact that he was wanted at one point but never heard of the outcome. I figured either statue of limitations ran out to prosecute him or he was arrested and they didnt have enough evidence to prosecute or something. At least he was just a spokesperson and not a snitch.

[expat4ever]

The 1st of 3 parts of the conversation I was referring to earlier.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0pQqJyN_-M

[singular_me]

tnx santa for bringing this up.

tips from insiders are always more valuable. what matters here is that he admitted it.

secret knowledge has always been in the hands of a few, will this ever change ?

[Horn]

Lol, they tracked him down because they wanted him to talk at their parties.

Santa's not invited...

[woodman]

Not trying to rain on anyone's parade here, but I just came across this piece of info in which Terrence Mckenna admits that he was an FBI/CIA public relations agent.
I don't much like it, as I've long enjoyed his talks, but I can't dismiss what he himself clearly admitted to.

http://www.gnosticmedia.com/McKenna-Agent

At the link there is much talk about the 'mushrooms' being the recruiter. That is he was recruited by the fungus and not the CIA. This of course is ridiculous, but what is very interesting is to make a comparison between the intelligence agencies with their attendant information networks (mycelium) and actual boots on the ground agents (fruiting bodies). One comes to a realization that intelligence agencies at their most effective are embedded in society at large, the body public is the medium in which the mycelium grows and they may very well be purposefully patterned after fungus.

[woodman]

What would be surprising is that the CIA did not recruit whatever intellectuals it could get any dirt on. These agencies have a track record of steering society through purposefully created movements in whatever direction they deem expedient. The 60's counterculture was incepted and nurtured by the CIA in order to effectively neuter any real organic movement against the MIC. Read Acid Dreams and it details the purposeful spread of LSD by the CIA. Remember that Alexander Shulgin himself was employed by governmental agencies. Perhaps they paid him to create the very compounds that the other agencies demonized.

[singular_me]

"The Science Delusion", Sheldrake points out several scientific dogmas which prevent science from overcoming its materialistic world view... Reality is Consciousness

I have been watching this for about 25mins... generally the exopolitics.org lectures are quite compelling. There are a few things that I dont especially agree with but in the big picture that is secondary.

Ruppert is speaking of taking dogmas as prophecies that can be tested scientifically as Nature is identified as a machine and matter as unconscious ... the whole discourse is against the academic thought itself and, sure, his stance does not leave much room at all for atheism, which he views as the result of sciences separating knowledge and religion, that brings us to the topic of dualism. However he asserts that reality has a 3 fold nature...

He also quotes Mckenna at @6.39min

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mR1SLQwHDog


Joe Rogan also interviewed him (2H45mins)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig6YDpOvkis

[singular_me]

listening to the rogan interview.... where he speaks of the missing heritability problem, which the nature mag published, heredity factors seem to be accurate between 5 and 10%... so much for mainstream academia misleading everybody again, and obviously being on a collision course.

here it is:
Personal genomes: The case of the missing heritability
2008
When scientists opened up the human genome, they expected to find the genetic components of common traits and diseases. But they were nowhere to be seen. Brendan Maher shines a light on six places where the missing loot could be stashed away.... LONG
http://www.nature.com/news/2008/081105/full/456018a.html


Alfred Rupert Sheldrake is an English scientist, author, public speaker, and researcher in the field of parapsychology, known for his "morphic resonance" concept. He worked as a biochemist and cell biologist at Cambridge University from 1967 to 1973 and as principal plant physiologist at the International Crops Research Institute for the Semi-Arid Tropics until 1978.


But Nature mag president went after him for speaking of morphic resonance

by Rupert Sheldrake
The late Sir John Maddox was my longest-standing critic. His Book for Burning attack in Nature on my first book in 1981 was followed by a series of hostile reviews in Nature and in British newspapers.

He was the author of an infamous editorial in Nature in 1981 about my first book, A New Science of Life, in which he wrote "This infuriating tract... is the best candidate for burning there has been for many years." In an interview broadcast on BBC television in 1994, he said: "Sheldrake is putting forward magic instead of science, and that can be condemned in exactly the language that the Pope used to condemn Galileo, and for the same reason. It is heresy."
A video clip of Sir John Maddox is available here... 'A Book for Burning'
http://www.sheldrake.org/reactions/sir-john-maddox-book-for-burning


CONCLUSION
not only academic findings expose academia as bunk, but then the latter completely trashes out of the box thinking such as morphic resonance.


@1:05:10 Sheldrake says he was born a christian, then turned an atheist while studying sciences... then encountered psychedelics and made a U-turn

well I guess that time has come for epigentic to take over after decades of fraudulent theories. But is it not a win for epigentic just yet since it includes the understanding of a component (such as the Field encoding the DNA) that many regard as a new age/magic/irrational element. But we are getting there: sciences and spirituality are bound to merge.

[expat4ever]

The Sheldrake video was pretty good. Havent gotten to the JR podcast yet. Maybe tonight.

[Horn]

Oh u guys are so full of taboos in this thread my forum hivemind won't let me reply. :)

[woodman]

McKenna is a very intelligent person. I don't agree with all of his conclusions, if conclusions they are. A lot of what he throws out is speculation. He himself says that he has a problem with people's beliefs. He has an amazing mind though and an acute ability to articulate.

[Horn]

I also have a problem when people be leaves.

They continually fall.

[singular_me]

@16ms... this is quite an astounding analogy, in the wilderness and especially when observing herds, there always is a "sacrificial victim", an animal that is going to die for the sake of the rest... and that the sacrificial victim is deeply embedded in our consciousness as primitive humans were more often hunted than hunters... the discussion takes the direction of sacrifices in myths.... ... that gods are very often pictured as carnivores, entities that need blood, and even in the bible, it is a recurrent pattern... and ultimately that this carnivorous policy of the gods justifies war making... just thinking of the death cult ruling the planet and why the fact that there is very little resistance lies in this blood sacrifice archetype.

so far, thats excellent. tnx expat


The 1st of 3 parts of the conversation I was referring to earlier.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0pQqJyN_-M

[singular_me]

“Magic” Mushrooms Could Be The Next Major Breakthrough In Treating Depression

We hear about the benefits of marijuana all the time, but psychedelics are often ignored and demonized, particularly with the United States government saying drugs like mushrooms not having any kind of medicinal benefit. But that’s beginning to fly in the face of what science has been learning, especially when you consider a recent study on the matter.

This study, published in the Royal Society Interface, examined the brains of 15 healthy people given psilocybin intravenously. They found that the brain on psilocybin had more inter-regional connections. That basically means that areas of the brain that don’t normally communicate began exchanging neural impulses. It helps explain some of the sensory phenomena that people who “trip” on mushrooms experience, such as hearing colors............ Read more at http://higherperspective.com/2015/02/mushrooms-depression.html#trR6MmfgZDM7691e.99

STUDY/Published 29 October 2014
We leverage the detected topological information to define the homological scaffolds, a new set of objects designed to represent compactly the homological features of the correlation network and simultaneously make their homological properties amenable to networks theoretical methods. As a proof of principle, we apply these tools to compare resting-state functional brain activity in 15 healthy volunteers after intravenous infusion of placebo and psilocybin—the main psychoactive component of magic mushrooms. The results show that the homological structure of the brain's functional patterns undergoes a dramatic change post-psilocybin, characterized by the appearance of many transient structures of low stability and of a small number of persistent ones that are not observed in the case of placebo.
http://rsif.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/11/101/20140873.full

[singular_me]

meanwhile, the battle to control our minds is raging, The Secret Battle to Control How We Think
http://www.wakingtimes.com/2015/02/10/manipulations-mind-games-secret-battle-control-think/

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Psychedelic Researcher: How Drugs Like LSD Can Change Your Life
‘We owe it to ourselves, to humanity, to the field to pursue this kind of work whether federal funding is there or not.’
By Allegra Kirkland
February 16, 2015

We are currently experiencing a “renaissance” in psychedelic research, as Michael Pollan writes in a recent issue of The New Yorker. Hallucinogenic drugs like psilocybin can be used to treat a range of mental health disorders, from anxiety and addiction to depression, and researchers at the nation’s leading medical schools are intent on discovering their full therapeutic potential.

Psilocybin is among a group of drugs labeled "classic psychedelics," which also includes LSD, mescaline and DMT, and has been designated a Schedule I drug since Richard Nixon signed the Controlled Substances Act back in 1971. This classification—which defines a drug as having a high potential for abuse, no accepted medical use, and a lack of accepted safety for use under medical supervision—has made psychedelics very difficult to study in a laboratory setting.

interview/more
http://www.alternet.org/drugs/psychedelic-researcher-how-drugs-lsd-can-change-your-life

[expat4ever]

Harvard also did a study and said even 1 dose of shrooms can have lasting effects even 20 years later. They are that much of a life changing event. I do understand why. A few grams and an hr later and you are truly understanding everything. Imagine all of your nuero pathways have a road block and then all of a sudden the block is gone and everything is working in perfect harmony. You can grasp the enormity of the universe as well as the smallest detail here on earth. You vision become clearer literally as well as your mental acuity.

[expat4ever]

I'm gonn derail my own thread :) Need some music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS5yt0pyaWM&list=PLyGWTmKUf1NhKfczngkid8A7Wb4mVoVtV&index=17

[singular_me]

all natural drugs exist for a reason, as much as opium is for pain for example... everything has its place on the planet and its too bad that some are screwing it up just because the majority is afraid of freedom or too lazy to think for themselves

good music


Harvard also did a study and said even 1 dose of shrooms can have lasting effects even 20 years later. They are that much of a life changing event. I do understand why. A few grams and an hr later and you are truly understanding everything. Imagine all of your nuero pathways have a road block and then all of a sudden the block is gone and everything is working in perfect harmony. You can grasp the enormity of the universe as well as the smallest detail here on earth. You vision become clearer literally as well as your mental acuity.

[singular_me]

this will never be recognized by big pharma as these natural medicines not only cure "forever" but also permanently alter the meaning of reality as inner fears have been addressed and dealt with. Too much $$$ to lose...

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How Psychedelics You've Never Heard of Could Help Treat Mental Illness
Some West African plants with strange powers show promise for the treatment of schizophrenia and bipolar disorder.


Ibogaine isn't the only strange psychedelic drug with healing powers coming out of West Africa these days. Scientists at Northwestern University looking into treatments used by traditional healers in Nigeria have synthesized four new chemical compounds that could eventually lead to better treatments for people suffering psychiatric disorders.

The compounds are indole alkaloids found in various plants used by Nigerian healers to treat people suffering from conditions such as bipolar disorder and schizophrenia. Indole alkaloids, of which more than 4,000 have been identified, include tryptamine and serotonin, as well as ibogaine, psilocybin and psilocin (magic mushrooms) and the fast-acting psychedelic DMT.

The Northwestern researchers have completely synthesized two of the ones used by Nigerian healers—alstonine and serpentine—and found that they indeed have antipsychotic properties that could potentially improve the treatment of such disorders.

While current drugs used to treat schizophrenia work well at tamping down delusions and hallucinations, they don't work as well in reducing cognitive impairment. But the scientists said research on these new compounds using animal models suggests they could improve cognitive impairment.

"After billions of years of evolution, nature has given us a great starting point for generating new types of molecules that could end up being used as innovative drugs," said Karl Scheidt, lead author of the paper. "We've learned how to make these natural products in the lab and can now evaluate what are the most effective parts of these natural products for potential therapies."

Scheidt, a professor of chemistry at Northwestern University's Weinberg College of Arts and Sciences and professor of pharmacology at Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine, was approached by Dr. Herbert Meltzer, professor in psychiatry and behavioral sciences, pharmacology and physiology at Feinberg, about the possibility of collaborating on researching the plant drugs. He needed Scheidt's expertise in designing new methods for constructing complex natural products.

"The synthesis of these alkaloids, which we have now just achieved, was exceedingly difficult," said Meltzer, "Karl Scheidt's expertise in the synthesis of natural products was crucial to the success of this project and is the first step in getting a new drug ready for clinical trials."

In Nigeria, traditional healers boil down the plants containing the indole alkaloids and create an extract that they give to people suffering symptoms of mental illness. But, ensconced firmly in Western medical traditions, Meltzer said that wasn't good enough.

"Nature did not intend this plant to produce an antipsychotic drug on its own," he said.

And Scheidt is using his chemical skills to create separate but related natural products from the plants. With his breakthrough research, Scheidt has now created a model for making more of these compounds for future studies and, ultimately, clinical trials.

"We can make multi-gram quantities of any of the compounds we want," Scheidt said. "We built the assembly line and are now uniquely positioned to explore their potential."

http://www.alternet.org/drugs/psychedelics-you-never-heard-could-help-treat-mental-illness