Coming in 2016 ... the Elio ... Reserve yours now

[palani]

Just to point out that the date it arrives appears to be a sliding one.

http://eliogenuine.eliomotors.com/?gclid=CNqK0emiocMCFZABaQodYgcAQA

Oh ... and if you reserve yours now for a hundred bux then you get a FREE tee-shirt.... and bumper sticker.

38,405 have been reserved... and in case you were worried ... it looks like it is going to have Takata air bags ... but most likely they won't be the shrapnel kind.

[Serpo]

http://eliogenuine.eliomotors.com/assets/images/features/01.jpg

[Dogman]

Hum?

The plant is in Shreveport, abt 70 miles east if me ! Have been to that plant when GM ran it.

Interesting.

http://www.arklatexhomepage.com/story/d/story/caddo-parish-and-shreveport-leaders-meet-with-citi/30120/YvOuDyYSakq8J67oznaqFQ

[Hitch]

It will probably get killed by big oil and you'll be out $100.

I wanted to buy a loremo. The turbodiesel that got something like 140 mpg. They drove one from New York to California on 3 tanks of gas. Sweet looking car too...was all set to come to America.

Poof, it's gone now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loremo

[palani]

I wanted to buy a loremo.


Loremo LS base model would have produced only 50 grams of carbon dioxide per kilometer

See that is the difference in European standards and U.S. standards. In Europe they are interested in the pollution PER KILOMETER. In the U.S. they are concerned with the pollution PER GALLON.

[Hitch]

See that is the difference in European standards and U.S. standards. In Europe they are interested in the pollution PER KILOMETER. In the U.S. they are concerned with the pollution PER GALLON.

Exactly!!! I've been trying to explain that to folks for years now.

It's so fucking corrupt here, it's unreal, and nobody even seems to care. It's right in our own faces, blatant!

[palani]

It's right in our own faces, blatant!

Right. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that with the U.S. system of 'pollution control' there will be greater pollution levels produced per mile traveled because more gas will be consumed. More gas consumption means greater revenue for government and oil producers.

Side note ... here is what was originally meant by 'pollution'.


pollution (n.)
mid-14c., "discharge of semen other than during sex,"

Let's get the EPA back on track.

[chad]

the elio "has been coming out next year" since 2008. biggest example of vaporware ever, next to gnr chinese democracy.

[Neuro]

See that is the difference in European standards and U.S. standards. In Europe they are interested in the pollution PER KILOMETER. In the U.S. they are concerned with the pollution PER GALLON.
Wouldn't the pollution in terms per Gallon, be exactly the same for every car? I mean a gallon of gas would have a set number of grams of carbon, and once you used it is pollution? Or do they only count CO2? Which happens when you get clean combustion of hydrocarbon, non clean combustion would give CO, and no combustion would give hydrocarbons...

It would be absolutely insane to measure carbon pollution per gallon!

[Glass]

yes I think the Euro measure is grams per litre/liter.

But then they focus on mileage as well. Real mileage like 40mpg or 60mpg. American cars do what? about 25 - 30mpgs?

How do the Euro imports or the Hyundais and Kias perform for mileage. I wonder if the one make and model in the US gets the same as that model here in Aus or in Europe?

[palani]

It would be absolutely insane to measure carbon pollution per gallon!
Meeting pollution regulations is a game. Manufacturers learn what mods they need to make to meet government requirements and no more. In an internal combustion engine the tolerances, hardness of cylinder walls, honing of those walls, juggling electronic engine control components ... all part of the the game.

[Dogman]

yes I think the Euro measure is grams per litre/liter.

But then they focus on mileage as well. Real mileage like 40mpg or 60mpg. American cars do what? about 25 - 30mpgs?

How do the Euro imports or the Hyundais and Kias perform for mileage. I wonder if the one make and model in the US gets the same as that model here in Aus or in Europe?

On flat interstate Hwys have hit 42 mpg with my 2013 Mazda 3 hatchback ! With the wind have seen close to 46. All doing 70-75 mph.

[palani]

On flat interstate Hwys have hit 42 mpg with my 2013 Mazda 3 hatchback !
Semis don't like you tailgating.

[Dogman]

Semis don't like you tailgating. nope , real!

[palani]

nope , real!

Then you must have had your mobile Henry 2K turned off.

[Dogman]

Then you must have had your mobile Henry 2K turned off.

Dam, wish I had one! Grin! Very nice amp !

Have not mounted any radios... Yet!

With all the electronics in that car, not sure what it would do to it , not sure how good the factory shielding is. Have had radios do some strange stuff, in my older cars and trucks, like shut them down when transmitting or the dash goes crazy!!

[palani]

like shut them down when transmitting!
You could drag a 50 foot log chain.

Or rely upon an artificial ground.

Pedestrians don't like to see those chains come at them when rounding a corner at 60 mph.

[Dogman]

You could drag a 50 foot log chain.

Or rely upon an artificial ground.
There would go my gas mileage! ;)

Seriously I may mount one of my two meter rigs, have played Mobil HF before, but this car ,? Not this time at least when moving.

Edit,

Rf and these newer vehicle's are hard to separate and keep things civilized!

[Glass]

I did try and ask the car maker what they thought a HF rig transmitting 50 whiskeys would do to their vehicles electronics. Huh?

I'm keen to get my 2M rig installed and a CB as well. I think the HF rig will go into some kind of tote with some guages, fuses, etc. Something that would be useful in a emergency situation providing supporting comms.

I agree that running the 2M rig is easier on the brain while driving, although mine does dual band and cross band repeat and I sometimes mistake which band I am on.

[Dogman]

I did try and ask the car maker what they thought a HF rig transmitting 50 whiskeys would do to their vehicles electronics. Huh?

I'm keen to get my 2M rig installed and a CB as well. I think the HF rig will go into some kind of tote with some guages, fuses, etc. Something that would be useful in a emergency situation providing supporting comms.

I agree that running the 2M rig is easier on the brain while driving, although mine does dual band and cross band repeat and I sometimes mistake which band I am on. Stationary hf= easy, dipole, antenna tuner, mobile radio, battery clipped power wires= bingo. Or so.

Just do not have much mounting room in the cab, + I feel it would be dam near imposable to bond and shield all the electronics/multiple computers these new vehicles have. Two meter rf is hard enough shield for in the newer vehicles without something going nuts.

Understand, have been mobile many times talking hf and vhf at the same time, who did what to whom? ;)

My mobile Hf is a Yaesu FD 897D 4 band with some tweaks and the remote tuner, the other one among many is a FT1802m that probably will go in the car someday, mainly because of the remote head and mounting space available.

[Glass]

I have the 857 and I have not turned in on in 2 years. I cranked it up a couple weeks ago but could not remember how to use the damn thing. Spent the past few days reading the manual and peering blindly at the tiny writing on the radio. I think I've got it under control. I did not want to go on air until I was sure I knew how I had configured it last time.

[palani]

Two meter rf is hard enough shield for in the newer vehicles without something going nuts.

I pointed out to Caterpillar years ago the problems with radios in a manufacturing environment.

Maintenance all used 5 watt 460 mhz hand helds. Materials used 20 watt 153 mhz fork lift mounted radios. If you take any of the servo axis on any machine tool and short out the velocity command signal to 0 volts then you have opened up the closed loop servo. Transmit anywhere near it and the axis will start drifting. The closer you get the faster it drifts. Under closed loop the position loop keeps it from moving but the position will change by up to a thousandth or more.

RF and electronics is bad news.

[Dogman]

I pointed out to Caterpillar years ago the problems with radios in a manufacturing environment.

Maintenance all used 5 watt 460 mhz hand helds. Materials used 20 watt 153 mhz fork lift mounted radios. If you take any of the servo axis on any machine tool and short out the velocity command signal to 0 volts then you have opened up the closed loop servo. Transmit anywhere near it and the axis will start drifting. The closer you get the faster it drifts. Under closed loop the position loop keeps it from moving but the position will change by up to a thousandth or more.

RF and electronics is bad news.

Agreed

Except the RF sections in radios, and they are property shielded.

Do have story's of fighting stray RF, complete with victory's and defeats.

Remember those touch operated home lighting lamps and fixtures? I hated them, pure wide band RF noise generators.

Back in my power days, my mom would bitch at me because her touch lamp would go nuts when I transmitted and I would go nuts when she used her lamp. I won that battle, what I did not know for years after, was every touch operated lamp for near a mile around me went nuts when I was operating. People blamed the lamps being defective.

Never got blamed for that one ;) .

Have many RF war stories!

Bunch of equipment today are not shielded well enough to operate in high RF density areas.

[palani]

Back in my power days, my mom would bitch at me because her touch lamp would go nuts when I transmitted and I would go nuts when she used her lamp.
Well ... there is always the CLAPPER.




every touch operated lamp for near a mile around me went nuts when I was operating. People blamed the lamps being defective. The closest neighbor half a mile away used to complain that my 300 watt Drake TR3 was interfering with her clothes washer.... a wringer.