1500 Year Old Bible Confirms That Jesus Christ Was Not Crucified – Vatican In Awe

[Serpo]

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[Twisted Titan]

Said to be a fake.



http://www.timothymichaellaw.com/not-a-1500-year-old-bible-in-turkey/

[singular_me]

it is is very possibly fake, although I regard jesus as the ghandi if his time. Not the son of God but man. Crucifixion never happened.

everything is corrupt but archeology.... everything is corrupt but the bible....

Constantine was a mason and the plot was to come up with a new faith as paganism was waning. but the new faith is just another remix of old sun myths and absolute truths buried in them

ps: The Order of the Red Cross of Constantine is considered by many to be the highest honour that can be awarded within York Rite Masonry and is a natural and very worthwhile extension of the teachings of the Royal Arch Degree.
http://www.constantine-masons-nsw-act.org.au/about-us.html

Jesus said: leave everything behind and follow me... there is nothing worth left cherishing in our system. nothing, we have to restart it anew, from scratch.

A new age/world order is coming.... right

[Spectrism]

it is is very possibly fake, although I regard jesus as the ghandi if his time. Not the son of God but man. Crucifixion never happened.

everything is corrupt but archeology.... everything is corrupt but the bible....



How do YOU know the crucifixion never happened?

If Yashuah was not the son of God, then you call him a liar. And you equate Him to Ghandi... you are a very confused individual.

[BarnkleBob]

How do YOU know the crucifixion never happened?

If Yashuah was not the son of God, then you call him a liar. And you equate Him to Ghandi... you are a very confused individual.


"The biggest danger of faith is when people believe what they want to believe, defending against any and all evidence; especially when that evidence revolutionizes their foundation from the ground up. And the biggest culprit to that danger is the ego trap: rejecting/criticizing others, for being unlike you. For centuries, the “defense” of blind faith has driven nations to war, violence, discrimination, slavery and to become the society of automatons that we are today; and for just as long, it has been justified with lies. If you know better, act like it."

http://sonsonthepyre.com/1500-year-old-bible-confirms-that-jesus-christ-was-not-crucified-vatican-in-awe/

[Spectrism]

And we get another atheist anti-christian mental midget to state a firm case.

[singular_me]

myth' studies and one has to understand the crucial political move at the time, and along 4000 years of masonic-zionism.

why is it so difficult for your to warp your mind around the fact that Constantine was a mason - that 400 years to draft the bible sounds definitely fishy? religion and politics are two sides of the same coin, yet people would easily admit that politics has been corrupted since ever (winners writing history) but scriptures are the absolute truth (drafted by the same winners). Thinking this way = NWO is here to stay = Apocalypse.

Revelation merely means the Lifting Of The Veil... Bible tells what we must do... leaving everything behind is something many christians wont do because they just do NOT understand the bible. Peaceful voluntary disengagement... but of course masonic-zionism has turned meaning of peace upside down, which is now regarded as collectivism.

my walter russel quote is now being experienced throughout the planet. Total checkmate/destruction will ensue anyway. But the choice here is which/whose checkmate? That of the People peacefully or by NWO depopulation ?

not being a bible follower does NOT make one an atheist. Religions are a collective experiment that tell us that the experiment has come to an end. We get it or not.


How do YOU know the crucifixion never happened?

If Yashuah was not the son of God, then you call him a liar. And you equate Him to Ghandi... you are a very confused individual.

[Spectrism]

myth' studies and one has to understand the crucial political move at the time, and along 4000 years of masonic-zionism.

why is it so difficult for your to warp your mind around the fact that Constantine was a mason - that 400 years to draft the bible sounds definitely fishy? religion and politics are two sides of the same coin, yet people would easily admit that politics has been corrupted since ever (winners writing history) but scriptures are the absolute truth. Thinking this way = NWO is here to stay = Apocalyse will come true. Revelation merely means the Lifting Of The Veil... Bible foreshadows what we should do... leaving everything behind is something many christians wont do because they just do NOT understand the bible.

not being a bible follower does NOT make one an atheist.

Your god is confusion. My God is of order.
Your god is belief in modern lies. My God is truth.
Your god has no answer to the problems of the world. My God provided a Savior.

I don't give a hoot about Constantine. This is one of your false presumptions- that Constantine is the foundation of Christianity. You bathe in lies and cannot fathom anyone not smelling of lies.

[Ares]

If Yashuah was not the son of God, then you call him a liar.

It's very logical. If the creator sent his son down to earth this event would be known by all and not be dependent upon those who call themselves Christians to spread his word by converting others, sometimes at the end of a sword.


The Bible was written by men, if god wrote it the word would be universal and not subject to interpretation. It would be known by all.

An Omnipotent, Omnipresent being is not dependent on others to spread his word. I absolutely REFUSE to believe that members of his own creation (ancient tribes in the Amazon, or any people outside of the middle east for that matter) will burn in hell because they have never even heard of Jesus Christ.

[Spectrism]

It's very logical. If the creator sent his son down to earth this event would be known by all and not be dependent upon those who call themselves Christians to spread his word by converting others, sometimes at the end of a sword.


The Bible was written by men, if god wrote it the word would be universal and not subject to interpretation. It would be known by all.

An Omnipotent, Omnipresent being is not dependent on others to spread his word. I absolutely REFUSE to believe that members of his own creation (ancient tribes in the Amazon, or any people outside of the middle east for that matter) will burn in hell because they have never even heard of Jesus Christ.

You have been made to know so you have no excuse. Still you refuse to believe. Your choice. This is how God chose to work. He will not force anyone to believe or comply. He made salvation to be based on faith in His only-begotten Son. Not by intelligence, wealth, knowledge or pride. It is a simple humility to surrender to the One that is all good.

You reject the bible out of hand without even tasting it. Your choice. You know the difference between good and evil, yet you still choose to do evil. Your choice. You can see the intricacy of things created and deny the Creator, in favor of random chances. Your choice. You accept the lies of devils and deny the truths or messengers. Your choice.

The world is full of people who insist on having their own choice. Their choice overrules weaker ones, whether it is an abortion situation or a war. This world is separated from the True God, yet people blame that god for everything they choose. Just remember, it was all YOUR choice.

[Ponce]

You guys are a riot......defending that which never was..........just think when and how the Bible was writing and who wrote it and specially when...............now the church will show all crosses without the image of a man on it and will be a simple symbol as are the crescent moon of the Muslims or the Star of David of the Zionist or the candle holder of the Jews (minora?, or something like that).
Something is, even if it is not, only when you make it be.

V

[StreetsOfGold]

Constantine is the foundation of Christianity

Constantine FOUNDER of the Roman Catholic government....er..."church"

Roman Catholicism often confused to be Christianity by very confused and deceived individuals


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tMvcBukXL4

[Spectrism]

Why would someone try to counterfeit something that was not real?

There are many counterfeits aimed at drawing people away from the truth. This world is cursed. The rulers of this world are evil. Their time is limited and een now, in this generation, we will see the end of it all. The evil ones are working full time to close of the fates of those they are deceiving.

I stand as one of the millions of witnesses to the power and redemption of YHWH in His Son the Messiah.

[old steel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh4nNdNJ_U8

[expat4ever]

from 71 ad to abpout 250 AD people were waiting around for the end of the world because thats what the bible told them. Finally after a few generations they got going again. 2000 years later people are still waiting for the end of the world.

There's some history in this video that can put things in a much better context than I can by someone who knows the subject much better than me..

For me there's just to many unanswered questions and things that dont add up.
The fallen angels also known as the sons of god. The bred with the woman of Earth and created the Nephelim. AKA Gaints. If these were the sons of man and god created them then why didnt he just kill them all himself rather than leave us mortals holding the bag. If he could create these fallen angels and all angels then why didnt he just create Jesus?
Where was Jesus for those years from 12-30? The most important man ever created in hory, the one millions had waited for and they just lose track of him for 18 years? What kind of mother was mary to lose her 12 yr old son? The all powerful god just sat by and watched his son ket killed? Yet millions think he will come down to save them?
Thou shalt not murder, unless of course they are giants, or non believers, or they have gold and wont give it up freely and convert to Christianity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YNdBpYh1eA

[Spectrism]

expat - you ask questions as if you want answers but it is clear you don't. You have assured yourself that you already have all the answers.

[Ares]

You have been made to know so you have no excuse. Still you refuse to believe. Your choice. This is how God chose to work. He will not force anyone to believe or comply. He made salvation to be based on faith in His only-begotten Son. Not by intelligence, wealth, knowledge or pride. It is a simple humility to surrender to the One that is all good.

I absolutely believe in god, what I don't believe is that the creator who is all and knows all would rely upon men to spread his word without corrupting it for their own nefarious reasons. So forgive me for questioning the motives behind those who propose to speak on behalf of the creator.


You reject the bible out of hand without even tasting it.

I have tasted it, and history has taught me that MEN chose what to put in the bible. The Council of Nicaea granted it upon themselves to decide what you read in the bible. Which was commissioned by emperor Constantine. So yes I have EXTREME hesitation on what someone else decides is useful for my consumption to evaluate my belief. Maybe you don't, like you said. Your choice.




Your choice. You know the difference between good and evil, yet you still choose to do evil. Your choice.

Not blindly following is doing evil? Yeah okay.


You can see the intricacy of things created and deny the Creator, in favor of random chances. Your choice. You accept the lies of devils and deny the truths or messengers. Your choice.

Where have I denied the creator? I reject the story of the creator sending his son to earth because the only people who are aware of it during the time are the Christians. Yet if it really happened it would be universal, and not be dependent upon men spreading the word of god sometimes at the point of a sword.


The world is full of people who insist on having their own choice.

Yep, the creator gave us free will. Learn to respect others choice in exercising it. Calling them "evil" because they don't buy it hook line and sinker is being evil. You are not the judge of me, only my creator can judge me. I refuse to be judged by any other fallible human being.


Their choice overrules weaker ones, whether it is an abortion situation or a war. This world is separated from the True God, yet people blame that god for everything they choose. Just remember, it was all YOUR choice.

I didn't blame the creator for anything. Do not put words in my mouth.

[Dogman]

I absolutely believe in god, what I don't believe is that the creator who is all and knows all would rely upon men to spread his word without corrupting it for their own nefarious reasons. So forgive me for questioning the motives behind those who propose to speak on behalf of the creator.



I have tasted it, and history has taught me that MEN chose what to put in the bible. The Council of Nicaea granted it upon themselves to decide what you read in the bible. Which was commissioned by emperor Constantine. So yes I have EXTREME hesitation on what someone else decides is useful for my consumption to evaluate my belief. Maybe you don't, like you said. Your choice.





Not blindly following is doing evil? Yeah okay.



Where have I denied the creator? I reject the story of the creator sending his son to earth because the only people who are aware of it during the time are the Christians. Yet if it really happened it would be universal, and not be dependent upon men spreading the word of god sometimes at the point of a sword.



Yep, the creator gave us free will. Learn to respect others choice in exercising it. Calling them "evil" because they don't buy it hook line and sinker is being evil. You are not the judge of me, only my creator can judge me. I refuse to be judged by any other fallible human being.



I didn't blame the creator for anything. Do not put words in my mouth. If I could thank you multiple times I would.

[Serpo]

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http://www.nouvelordremondial.cc/2015/01/17/philippines-le-pape-fait-un-signe-satanique-illuminati-et-dit-quil-frapperait-celui-qui-insulte-sa-mere/

[Spectrism]

Ares- sounds like many issues. You have made yourself god and reject everything else unless you like the sound of it... but then, you are the god. Very dangerous place to be.

You do not believe in the Messiah, so you have rejected the Creator. You have NO access to God. There is no prayer you could offer that would reach God when you do not have the Messiah. This world is NOT the kingdom of God. How do you think everyone would universally be in the kingdom of God here? How do you expect a world cursed by God would be universally blessed by God?

You and others who are content with what you have... fine. No further discussion is beneficial. Those who cannot see and yet have been offered sight, are a sad lot indeed.

[Serpo]

Your god is confusion. My God is of order.
Your god is belief in modern lies. My God is truth.
Your god has no answer to the problems of the world. My God provided a Savior.

I don't give a hoot about Constantine. This is one of your false presumptions- that Constantine is the foundation of Christianity. You bathe in lies and cannot fathom anyone not smelling of lies.


Only one GOD and is owned by no one..................

[Horn]

Your god is confusion. My God is of order.
Your god is belief in modern lies. My God is truth.
Your god has no answer to the problems of the world. My God provided a Savior.

Apparently allowing yourself to be scrutinized then crucified by high priests of the day, is the message here.

My questions are,

Why is the Vatican interested in this book?

And why doesn't Spectro allow his own crucifixion by the forum?

[Dogman]

Amazing why there is so much discord and killing now and in the past, all in the name of religion and supposedly the same god. My way or I hate/want to kill/subjugate you to my way of thinking.

And more amazing is concidering the whole world and peoples that live and have lived on this mud ball we call home. There is just a few groups that say they are right and everyone else is wrong, when it comes to beliefs. That one group can make holy records written by man and then call it holy, what was written by man.

I wonder about a God of peace that so much blood has been spilled over the century's in his/hers name.

I look up at the stars and am humbled, what we see/feel and experience can not be by chance.

Of all the religions/beliefs in this world, past and present, they can not have all been wrong and just one is right!

Now I will go back into my corner and watch the fanatics yell at everyone that does not toe their line of thought that they are dammed.

Highly entertaining, in a very sad way.

Most of the major killing today and in the past has because of religious belief..

Sad state we are in in life and on this forum, anyone that believes they are superior than others, tho they put their pants on the same way everyone else does..

Carry on with the idiocy!

[Serpo]

Its quite simple . people have lost LOVE and instead are only left with their MINDS.

[Ares]

Ares- sounds like many issues. You have made yourself god and reject everything else unless you like the sound of it... but then, you are the god. Very dangerous place to be.

Again you putting words into my mouth and presume to know me or my intentions. Sounds like you playing god and judging those who you are not fit to judge.

I on the other hand am absolutely not god, nor do I presume to know god. I strive too, but I'm also not naive enough to believe to go on the word of man on who or what god is.


You do not believe in the Messiah, so you have rejected the Creator. You have NO access to God.

Says the man who reads the English version of the bible. Tell me Spectrism have you read the Aramaic version of the bible? Or would you happen to know where anyone can find one to get the true words of the men who wrote the scriptures? Or are you just going to rely upon other peoples translations to shape your belief? Sounds like a pretty sketchy way to base ones existence and belief structure if you ask me. But to each his own.



There is no prayer you could offer that would reach God when you do not have the Messiah. This world is NOT the kingdom of God. How do you think everyone would universally be in the kingdom of God here? How do you expect a world cursed by God would be universally blessed by God?

I have had my prayers answered more times than I have felt worthy of having them answered. So your judgement or your bible are wrong. I'll leave you to decide and judge yourself as that is not my position to do so.


You and others who are content with what you have... fine. No further discussion is beneficial. Those who cannot see and yet have been offered sight, are a sad lot indeed.

Maybe it is the sight that we have been given to even question the origins of the bible is a burden? I would be happy if I could just swallow what was spoon fed to me by men from over 2 millennium ago. But I question everything and I feel that is my gift in life to question what I have been given and come to my own conclusions. If I am wrong then so be it, I'll answer to my creator when that day comes. But let me be clear not you nor any other human being is even capable of judging me when it comes to my beliefs.

[Neuro]

I wouldn't trust a Turkish translation of anything...

[expat4ever]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp1F16_7lO0

[singular_me]

great and I have no problem with that. the main issue is that beliefs canNOT become politics because they are "perceptions" and the latter depends on one's data at the time of investigation. People cannot evolve evenly. And that is why institutionalizing perceptions can/is be lethal. How many religious wars will we have to endure before the masses get it ???

dont worry, apocalypse is on its way, and not because of the NWO (1%) but the masses (99%).

Now do you see why masonic-zionist knowledge is SO powerful? They use people's ignorance/perceptions to achieve their aims.




I stand as one of the millions of witnesses to the power and redemption of YHWH in His Son the Messiah.

[singular_me]

more seriously, spiritual knowledge has never changed, elites just reprocess(ed) with another gravy. Their source can be traced back to The Gnostics and the Vedas (India) among others. Hermetic traditions came later, but it they are for sure valuable, as they are at the foundation of alchemy, which the church eventually banned. Even Isaac Newton studied alchemy...



from 71 ad to abpout 250 AD people were waiting around for the end of the world because thats what the bible told them. Finally after a few generations they got going again. 2000 years later people are still waiting for the end of the world.

There's some history in this video that can put things in a much better context than I can by someone who knows the subject much better than me..

For me there's just to many unanswered questions and things that dont add up.
The fallen angels also known as the sons of god. The bred with the woman of Earth and created the Nephelim. AKA Gaints. If these were the sons of man and god created them then why didnt he just kill them all himself rather than leave us mortals holding the bag. If he could create these fallen angels and all angels then why didnt he just create Jesus?
Where was Jesus for those years from 12-30? The most important man ever created in hory, the one millions had waited for and they just lose track of him for 18 years? What kind of mother was mary to lose her 12 yr old son? The all powerful god just sat by and watched his son ket killed? Yet millions think he will come down to save them?
Thou shalt not murder, unless of course they are giants, or non believers, or they have gold and wont give it up freely and convert to Christianity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YNdBpYh1eA

[singular_me]

so why do you defend the bible in the first place?

I merely stated that Constatine is a mason and behind the drafting of the Bible. Christ died at age 33...

The biggest conspiracy of all time in 4 lines
In tracing the origin of the Bible, one is led to AD 325, when
Constantine the Great called the First Council of Nicaea, composed of 300 religious leaders. Three centuries after Jesus lived, this council was given the task of separating divinely inspired writings from those of questionable origin.

http://www.redcrossconstantine.org/
The purpose of the Constantinian Orders are to commemorate the first elevation of Christianity from the position of a despised and proscribed heresy to that of a legally recognized and honored religion, to cultivate the social virtues, appeal to the intellectual and moral qualities, preserve as far as possible the customs of the fraternity and bring about good fellowship and understanding between all branches of Masonry.

Provincial Grand Lodge of Worcestershire: Red Cross of Constantine
The Masonic and Military Order of the Red Cross of Constantine is one of seven Masonic orders governed from Mark Mason Hall, situated at 86 St James’s Street London. The Red Cross additionally incorporates, as appendant orders, the Orders of the Holy Sepulchre and of Saint Johnthe Evangelist. The orders consist of five ceremonies, three involving the admission of the candidate and two dealing with the “chair degrees”. The whole has been described as the third pillar of Christian Freemasonry.
http://www.worcspgl.org.uk/order/red-cross-constantine




I don't give a hoot about Constantine. This is one of your false presumptions- that Constantine is the foundation of Christianity. You bathe in lies and cannot fathom anyone not smelling of lies.

[Spectrism]

great and I have no problem with that. the main issue is that beliefs canNOT become politics because they are "perceptions" and the latter depends on one's data at the time of investigation. People cannot evolve evenly. And that is why institutionalizing perceptions can/is be lethal. How many religious wars will we have to endure before the masses get it ???

Somebody's beliefs ALWAYS become politics. What you are saying is for christians to get out of politics because you like the non-christian religions more. Everyone follows a religion. Even atheists. You are like the crowd of morons who went around saying: "You can't legislate morality." Well, just what do you think legislation is?




Again you putting words into my mouth and presume to know me or my intentions. Sounds like you playing god and judging those who you are not fit to judge.

I discern things through your words. If you think they are inaccurate, then state where.



I on the other hand am absolutely not god, nor do I presume to know god. I strive too, but I'm also not naive enough to believe to go on the word of man on who or what god is.


How do you "strive too[sic]" know god[sic]? How is that working for you?



Says the man who reads the English version of the bible. Tell me Spectrism have you read the Aramaic version of the bible?

There was not an Aramaic version. The copies we had were Hebrew and Greek.



Or would you happen to know where anyone can find one to get the true words of the men who wrote the scriptures?

Dead Sea scrolls were a good verification on the OT copies. They remained true through the ages.



Or are you just going to rely upon other peoples translations to shape your belief? Sounds like a pretty sketchy way to base ones existence and belief structure if you ask me. But to each his own.


There are numerous versions and they all hold some key teachings. But it is not mental aptitude I am talking about. The bible itself says the word (or law) without the Spirit is death. Rules are enslavement. They are good for providing guidelines and borders for behavior, but mankind fails to keep them in the sin nature. It is impossible for a sin-natured man to be good. So the Messiah provided cleansing for those who would have it and He sent His Spirit that we would have life. Without the supernatural indwelling of His Spirit, we are dead. You may die once but you must be born twice to have true life.



I have had my prayers answered more times than I have felt worthy of having them answered. So your judgement or your bible are wrong. I'll leave you to decide and judge yourself as that is not my position to do so.


I know of many rock stars and movie celebrities that had their prayers answered too. There are many deceptions and lures.



Maybe it is the sight that we have been given to even question the origins of the bible is a burden? I would be happy if I could just swallow what was spoon fed to me by men from over 2 millennium ago. But I question everything and I feel that is my gift in life to question what I have been given and come to my own conclusions. If I am wrong then so be it, I'll answer to my creator when that day comes. But let me be clear not you nor any other human being is even capable of judging me when it comes to my beliefs.

I can judge your words and reflect truth. If you feel you are being judged, then something is not right within you.

[Spectrism]

Amazing why there is so much discord and killing now and in the past, all in the name of religion and supposedly the same god. My way or I hate/want to kill/subjugate you to my way of thinking.

And more amazing is concidering the whole world and peoples that live and have lived on this mud ball we call home. There is just a few groups that say they are right and everyone else is wrong, when it comes to beliefs. That one group can make holy records written by man and then call it holy, what was written by man.

I wonder about a God of peace that so much blood has been spilled over the century's in his/hers name.

I look up at the stars and am humbled, what we see/feel and experience can not be by chance.

Of all the religions/beliefs in this world, past and present, they can not have all been wrong and just one is right!

Now I will go back into my corner and watch the fanatics yell at everyone that does not toe their line of thought that they are dammed.

Highly entertaining, in a very sad way.

Most of the major killing today and in the past has because of religious belief..

Sad state we are in in life and on this forum, anyone that believes they are superior than others, tho they put their pants on the same way everyone else does..

Carry on with the idiocy!

If I go out and kill a dozen people and when caught I say I did it in the name of Dogman, does that make you evil or the cause of the murders?

How many murders have been committed in America in the last 200 years in the name of religion and be specific. I can name 40 million that have been done in the last 50 years in the name of anti-religion.



I wonder about a God of peace that so much blood has been spilled over the century's in his/hers name.

And in your proud humbleness, you insult the God that you don't even know.

[Dogman]

If I go out and kill a dozen people and when caught I say I did it in the name of Dogman, does that make you evil or the cause of the murders?

How many murders have been committed in America in the last 200 years in the name of religion and be specific. I can name 40 million that have been done in the last 50 years in the name of anti-religion.

Lame and very reaching, grasping at vapors.

I have respected you in the past, and still do, but on this subject you are playing with a few cards missing from your deck.

But that is ok, blind faith does that to people , despite critical thought on other subjects.

Have fun defending yourself on this subject, there is a creator that made everything, but not necessarily the one that millions have been killed in the name of the one you worship.

toodaloo and have fun defending yourself, I for one have better things to do because I have said my piece on this thread!

TaTa!

;D

[Serpo]

With a religion all you get is a religion , and not necessary the true living GOD.

[Spectrism]

Have fun defending yourself on this subject, there is a creator that made everything, but not necessarily the one that millions have been killed in the name of the one you worship.

toodaloo and have fun defending yourself, I for one have better things to do because I have said my piece on this thread!

TaTa!
;D

I am not defending myself. I don't give a flying flip if you think I am a nut. Do you know me? Hell no. I likely will never see you. I offered insights to truths I have found and left them to you to accept or reject. Your choice.




With a religion all you get is a religion , and not necessary the true living GOD.

Exactly. The blind keep calling it religion.

[old steel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4n9vK0_mdk

[Norweger]

The issue of the crucifixion and death of Jesus (Isa) is important to Muslims as they believe that Jesus will return before the end of time. Muslims believe Jesus was not crucified, but was raised bodily to heaven by God, a belief purported to be found in the Gospel of Basilides[citation needed], of which, if it existed, no copies survive.

Depending on the interpretation of the following verse, Muslim scholars have abstracted different opinions. Some believe that in the Biblical account, Jesus' crucifixion did not last long enough for him to die while others opine that God gave someone Jesus' appearance, causing everyone to believe that Jesus was crucified (majority view). A third explanation could be that Jesus was nailed to a cross, but as his body is immortal he did not "die" or was not "crucified" [to death]; it only appeared so. In opposition to the second and third foregoing proposals, yet others maintain that God does not use deceit and therefore they contend that crucifixion just did not occur. The basis of all of these beliefs is the following verse in the Qur'an:

That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-
—Qur'an, sura 4 (An-Nisa) ayat 157-158[

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_view_of_Jesus%27_death

[Horn]

With a religion all you get is a religion , and not necessary the true living GOD.

Its a distinct possibility that Europeans adopted Christianity thru state mandate from the mideast in order to defeat it.

By the same ways they are adopting Islam today.

They're excellent animal farmers over there.

[old steel]

Ok, that's a scary thought there, yea.

Bye bye white race....

[singular_me]

that we must have organized (religious) doctrines to dictate morality is a NWO induced perception, that makes people feel that chaos is just around the corner if they do not submit to them. As long as the need for submission exists, we wont get rid of the NWO. That is as simple as that. All doctrines are NWO concocted and are meant to be divisive.

Natural/God's Laws say: no killing, no stealing nor lying.... beside that, one connection with the Universe is a unique individual perception that cannot be shaped nor enforced by others. And this coercion is at the core of inner conflicts, themselves causing endless social wars. Inner conflicts are the results of being prevented by a dogma from making up one's own mind and to counter inner conflicts one has to resort to fanaticism. Fanaticism breeds fanaticism and that is how and why we cannot get rid of religious violence.

4000 years of this scourge (evil/devil) should teach us a lesson.



Somebody's beliefs ALWAYS become politics. What you are saying is for christians to get out of politics because you like the non-christian religions more. Everyone follows a religion. Even atheists. You are like the crowd of morons who went around saying: "You can't legislate morality." Well, just what do you think legislation is?

I discern things through your words. If you think they are inaccurate, then state where.
.

[Spectrism]

And the evidence of this thread is why this world will be destroyed and remade. Place your bets because the wheel is spinning. Go all in because there won't be any bets after this last go around. Have another free drink and enjoy the spin. Quickly now, choose from 0 to 100 or accept the default of 0.

[singular_me]

Id rather say: self-love. The entire system is designed to take down any bit of self-confidence people may have.


Its quite simple . people have lost LOVE and instead are only left with their MINDS.

[singular_me]

listening right now, and going along with my stance.

there are only two choices we have

1) being co-partner with God
2) Or thinking we do not deserve it but relying on God's mercy

this is very crucial because if choosing #2, enslavement is the direct consequence.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YNdBpYh1eA[/QUOTE]

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

This thread reminds me why I'm agnostic.

[expat4ever]

Terrence was raised a Christian and interstingly found Nature to be his God. He;s brilliant in many ways but I'm not sure DMT is the right way to go about seeking knowledge but then again maybe it is and thats why it,lsd and mushrooms are illegal in the US. I also think he was being told that vibrations hold a key to something.
Hermes who taught the 7 principles of hermiticism said one must marter those 7 principles in order to gain access to the knowldge of the temples. One of them being vibrations..

I'm watching another vid on just the hermetic teachings. They say the spirit cannot be defined. Which leads us to blind faith.. The truth is we may all be right. They refer to God as "All". Probably spelled wrong. I can see where Christianity sprung from these teachings as well as a few others I'm sure. The only way to know is to study though. Unfortunately the further back you go the harder study materials become. I do think there are some good lessons in the bible, however, Man or Men decided what lessons would be included. Why didnt god just write a book on the side of a mountain for all to see and read throughout all of time?

I will continue to follow nature and continue to study. One can really only come to logical conclusions once he has all of the information.

[singular_me]

Welcome to the Matrix, your search will lead you where you need to be, expat.

as I have stated earlier, there are absolute truths in the bible which I always keep in the back of my mind but again, not sure most followers are even aware of them. However the same absolute truths can be found in all religions and myths and people should rather start realizing this asap instead of continue waging wars on each others.

Our masonic-zionist elites have absolutely mastered Natural Laws, their sins lie in the fact that they do not share the knowledge, conceal it, and this has disastrous consequences. But the knowledge itself is Universal.

Every single atom is a fractal of the whole... in the sense we are all one. We live in a Holographic Reality. That is why the NWO war on perceptions is so easy to achieve.

Terrence is a must listen to but I prefer Sevan Bomar.


Terrence was raised a Christian and interstingly found Nature to be his God. He;s brilliant in many ways but I'm not sure DMT is the right way to go about seeking knowledge but then again maybe it is and thats why it,lsd and mushrooms are illegal in the US. I also think he was being told that vibrations hold a key to something.
Hermes who taught the 7 principles of hermiticism said one must marter those 7 principles in order to gain access to the knowldge of the temples. One of them being vibrations..

I'm watching another vid on just the hermetic teachings. They say the spirit cannot be defined. Which leads us to blind faith.. The truth is we may all be right. They refer to God as "All". Probably spelled wrong. I can see where Christianity sprung from these teachings as well as a few others I'm sure. The only way to know is to study though. Unfortunately the further back you go the harder study materials become. I do think there are some good lessons in the bible, however, Man or Men decided what lessons would be included. Why didnt god just write a book on the side of a mountain for all to see and read throughout all of time?

I will continue to follow nature and continue to study. One can really only come to logical conclusions once he has all of the information.

[Serpo]

And everything leads back to living in the present moment.


Understanding the past to be able to live in the present is beyond my comprehension........Ive tried and all it did was take me away from myself basically.


other mans wisdom over your own ..............


our relationship with the creator is an individual experience unique to each person, we can create our own heaven or hell while here on earth and live that experience............


its a bit like a radio channel , tuning into the right one is the trick and it usually involves accepting ourselves as we are , good and bad and moving on.


there are too many important things happening at the moment to get caught up in what is the best path.


live it

[Neuro]

For those interested in the book found. I recomend reading this article, especially with the following comments:
http://www.nationalturk.com/en/1500-year-old-syriac-bible-found-in-ankara-turkey-16624

Aparently it is from 1500 AD, and probably written by a Muslim to convert Christians...

I liked this comment too:

[Neuro]

Sadly this is just all hype! Read on. After some Kurds offered to sell it to the Vatican, the Vatican engaged the help of Dr. Asaad Sauma (An expert in Classical Syriac, and a Doctor at Uppsala University in Stockholm) to inspect the book. An official request for the book was made but he was denied physical access to it, however in 2003 about 10 electronic photographs were sent to him. He concluded it was “much ado about nothing” (a quote) Other quotes: “It is not divine, nor worth study on its own” “phrases are placed together that make no sense” “Nothing in this book is a useful phrase” “Those who made it do not have a good knowledge of the Syriac language” etc.. etc.. in short he wasn’t impressed and rejected it as a fake – sheer nonsense written “to

[singular_me]

all belief systems so far have more focused on annihilating one another while oppressing their own followers... so none of them can be about the Ultimate Truth. IMHO .
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We Were not Born To Destroy but Create
http://www.zengardner.com/we-were-born-to-create/

[mick silver]

what do you see can anyone here make this .every day I stop and look at this and know dam well i cannot make this. and every day I see something newhttp://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/6a/8b/48/6a8b48383a4142612016e819a01ed9dd.jpg

[mick silver]

I never been in a house that was build to worship in that was build as good as this place . here my church http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/d0/75/f4/d075f4bef3aad3b762a286f2cc2ad110.jpg

[BarnkleBob]

Why of course IF, and its a big IF, the Yeshua/Jesus/Joshua character actually existed, he could NOT be the "Sun" of God.... for the bible in Genesis 1 supposedly informs us of all the things that god created in the beginning.... from square one! And nowhere in Genesis record does the text record that god created a Son..... and the creation of the son cannot be found in the New Testament either!

The most troubling aspect of the Son Myth is the "WHY?" WHY would a omnipotent, OMNIPRESENT & om iscience deity require or even need a son??? Was he lonely, was he dying, was he handicapped, etc.... A deity that can create & manage the universe surely doesnt need a lesser agent to manage his very small human herd!

Of course the Xian apologists will offend history & twist the evidence to conform to their errors through the use of the "TRINITY" 3 part god-head fraudulent lie which was erected to support the concept of monotheism:

"The historian S.H. Hooke tells us in detail of the ancient Sumerian trinity: Anu was the primary god of heaven, the father, and the King of Kings. Enlil, the "wind-god" was the god of the earth. He was also a creator God. Enki was the god of waters and the lord of wisdom (15-18). This was highest Sumerian trinity. A lesser trinity "was composed of Sin, the moon-god, Shamash, the sun-god, and. . .Hadad, the storm-god.""

http://i-cias.com/e.o/akkad.religion.htm

To understand WHY the priesthood required a Meshiac/Messiah, one must understand the term known as "Sin." The "original" Sin was the Sumerian & Akkan moon god (Nanna/Suen in Samaria & Sin in Akka).... In this period, it was believed that it was Sin the moon god, the father of Shamash, the sun god, who gave light to the son.... later when Babylonian King Nabonibus, for political reasons attempted to elevate Sin, the moon god above all the other pantheon deities, the priesthood of Marduke which was at war with the king, killed Sin as a deity by informing the people that the moon received its light from the sun, not the sun receiving light from the moon.... Sin then "fell" into disgrace and was regarded as a liar & a deceiver.... And since the moon god was a god of the night, darkness became associated with "evil" and light became associated with "good."

Sin was promoted as a wise deity with a long flowing gray beard & hair... he wore a headdress with four bull horns representing the age of Taurus.... today Sin has been reconfigured, losing two horns and becoming the deceiver and FATHER OF ALL LIES, known as Satan.....

Decades prior to Sins "fall" from grace, the third King of the Akkan empire, King Narrim who was a great warrior, as he expanded the Akkadian empire into a vast multicultural bi-lingual empire and shared the spoils of war and the loot with the people of Akka which elevated their living standards tremendously.... the people demanded the deification of the King, and the king accepted..... the king took the name "NARRIM-SIN," becoming the first "man-god."

King Sargon the first King of Akka and the builder of the first empire tasked his daughter Enheduanna to be the high Priestess.... she was charged with allocating & distributing the spoils of war amongst the needy people, which gave the priesthood much power & credibility. By the time King Narrim, who was Sargon grandson came to office, the priesthood had become corrupt & greedy.... they were keeping the spoils of war for themselves, rather than distributing the loot amongst the needy.... The needy then petitioned the King, Narrim to become a man-god to throw down the power of the priesthood and return the allocations & distributions of the plunder back to the people instead of the priest class....

A great drought fell upon Mesopotamia and the Akkadian empire which was ruled by the last Akkan king "Ibbi-Sin." The empire was overrun by Elamites & Amorites, effectively destroying the Akkadian empire. The empire fractured but coallesed into two rival factions which would become known as the Assyrians & Babylonians.... the rivals fought for decades, living standards declined and were severely diminished as the turf wars raged on....

The people now suffering greatly turned to the priesthood and the gods seeking remedy & relief from the poverty & chaos the constant ongoing wars created..... IN ANSWER, as the priesthood & their gods were powerless to terminate the battling, the priesthood invented "THE CURSE OF AGADE" The curse was said to be spawned by the gods as a punishment for the people creating & worshipping MAN-GODS.... the wars, the droughts, pestillence, diseases, etc. were all blamed upon the curse..... and since King Narrim was the first man-god taking the power of the powerful moon god Sin, the CURSE & SIN became synonymous and were blended together.... by this means the priesthood had found their scapegoat and the priesthood was not rendered as ineffective frauds..... and the priesthood continually employed & deployed the CURSE to jusify any & all human sufferings that they could not control or provide remedy or relief.

When the Greeks, then the Romans invaded Mesopotamia, Persia & the Levant, once again creating lower standards of living, poverty & chaos, the CURSE received responsibility for the peoples demise.....

The Hebrews were growing tired & weary of not only the Roman occupation but also of the greedy conspiratorial nature of the priesthood. The CURSE excuse had to be removed and lifted..... and since the priesthood had promoted that the curse was a "blood curse" that applied to the "original" worshippers of Sin, the moon god & Narrim Sin, the FIRST man-god, et al, ALL the living peoples and their posterity were the subjects of the "CURSE OF SIN."

And there was only one means of lifting or removing a "blood curse," and that is by a "blood sacrifice," a.k.a. "KINSMAN REDEEMER."

Thus the saga of Yeshua/Jesus/Joshua begins as the sacrificial LAMB to remove the blood curse known as the "CURSE OF AGADE." The people, impoverished and occupied by foreign legions flocked in droves the new concept that the curse was removed, and the Xian religion was born.....

Its not much different today, the peoples in the region are still occupied by the West, militarily, economically & financially.... ISLAM is the new Xianity ...... and the priestcraft continues their lies of redemption in the region to the dupes.... 72 virgins, streets paved in gold, etc., etc., etc...

Now I expect the Xian bibletards to dismiss this history, as this history is recorded on steles, stones, papyrus, etc.... while they use another Kings version (KJV) as truth.... Funny thing, that biblical version DOES NOT even mention the factual name of the blood curse other than deceptively referencing the so called "CURSE OF SIN."

Of course this is a rather short version of ancient events.... but it is fully provable and the content DOES NOT rely upon faith in deceptions, frauds & lies.....

[singular_me]

quite an eye opener, BB

[mick silver]

you guys keep missing god work , all you need to do is look around he every were . because I don't set in a church no more don't think for a second I don't see his work around me

[Ares]

you guys keep missing god work , all you need to do is look around he every were . because I don't set in a church no more don't think for a second I don't see his work around me

Nope, don't miss it at all.

The Kingdom of God is inside you, and all around you, not in buildings of wood and stone. Split a piece of wood and I am there; lift a stone and you will find me.
- Gospel of Thomas

[Spectrism]

quite an eye opener, BB

Huh?? You are very confused if you see that crap as "eye opener".



Why of course IF, and its a big IF, the Yeshua/Jesus/Joshua character actually existed, he could NOT be the "Sun" of God.... for the bible in Genesis 1 supposedly informs us of all the things that god created in the beginning.... from square one! And nowhere in Genesis record does the text record that god created a Son..... and the creation of the son cannot be found in the New Testament either!

Totally erroneous. Genesis does NOT tell us "of all the things that god[sic] created in the beginning". Further, the Word of God which became flesh in Yashuah always existed and was never created. You obviously have not really searched the bible for this but pretend to have become knowledgeable in this. You are a putz.




The most troubling aspect of the Son Myth is the "WHY?" WHY would a omnipotent, OMNIPRESENT & om iscience deity require or even need a son??? Was he lonely, was he dying, was he handicapped, etc.... A deity that can create & manage the universe surely doesnt need a lesser agent to manage his very small human herd!


Naturally your evil mind goes to slander God and fabricate strawmen that you can burn. You have been told the why yet you pretend you never heard. You speak for the devil.



Now I expect the Xian bibletards to dismiss this history, as this history is recorded on steles, stones, papyrus, etc.... while they use another Kings version (KJV) as truth.... Funny thing, that biblical version DOES NOT even mention the factual name of the blood curse other than deceptively referencing the so called "CURSE OF SIN."

Of course this is a rather short version of ancient events.... but it is fully provable and the content DOES NOT rely upon faith in deceptions, frauds & lies.....

Right to your very last line you presented lies and deceptions. You are full of crap and cannot help yourself being loaded with hate for truth.

[mick silver]

that's what I said ares , look around , I don't need someone telling were to look that my point ... I like what he said thanks ...The Kingdom of God is inside you, and all around you, not in buildings of wood and stone. Split a piece of wood and I am there; lift a stone and you will find me.
- Gospel of Thomas

[singular_me]

sumerians, babylonians, ancient egyptians, judites/hebrews, christians... share the same (masonic) history.

another one for you or anybody willing to look into it:
plz do a search on the similarities of sumarian gilgamesh and noah, the great flood episode of the old testament.

The Flood of Noah and the Flood of Gilgamesh
Comparing the flood stories in the Gilgamesh Epic and Genesis, one is impressed with the numerous similarities between the two accounts. The common elements between the two have been perplexing for some scholars. Alexander Heidel shows the three main possibilities about the relationship between the two accounts: “first, the Babylonians borrowed from the Hebrew account; second, the Hebrew account is dependent on the Babylonian; third, both are descended from a common original.”1 Because the Epic written in Akkadian predates the Old Testament written in Hebrew, “The most widely accepted explanation today is the second, namely, that the biblical account is based on Babylonian material.”2 This theory poses an awkward problem for Christians. ....

more/by Nozomi Osanai, japanese
https://answersingenesis.org/the-flood/flood-legends/flood-gilgamesh-epic/introduction/




Huh?? You are very confused if you see that crap as "eye opener".
.

[Dogman]

More often in any debate or discussion, the side that starts name calling and throwing out slurs to the other party's has lost !

Mainly because their argument can not be defended and they fall back into blind belief's, that under scrutiny and critical thinking taking the historical and archeological evidence into consideration may prove other wise from the ones that resort to slurring and name calling wrong.

Just a thought.

[singular_me]

I agree with what the verse is conveying


but you should know: Why is the Gospel of St. Thomas considered heresy by the church?

THE EXPERTS HAVE SPOKEN ;D
http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/did-the-church-suppress-the-gospel-of-thomas-because-it-was-afraid-of-what-it-contain
The so-called Gospel of Thomas is a fake. It was written between one and two centuries after the apostle Thomas’s death. It contains some authentic sayings of Jesus because it is partially based on the canonical Gospels. It contains a bunch of stuff that is silly. It wasn’t written under divine inspiration. It doesn’t belong in the Bible.





Nope, don't miss it at all.

The Kingdom of God is inside you, and all around you, not in buildings of wood and stone. Split a piece of wood and I am there; lift a stone and you will find me.
- Gospel of Thomas

[Buddha]

What a professional and in-depth explanation, just what I've come to expect from Catholics and most other institutionalized religious sects.


It contains a bunch of stuff that is silly

[Spectrism]

sumerians, babylonians, ancient egyptians, judites/hebrews, christians... share the same (masonic) history.

another one for you or anybody willing to look into it:
plz do a search on the similarities of sumarian gilgamesh and noah, the great flood episode of the old testament.

The Flood of Noah and the Flood of Gilgamesh
Comparing the flood stories in the Gilgamesh Epic and Genesis, one is impressed with the numerous similarities between the two accounts. The common elements between the two have been perplexing for some scholars. Alexander Heidel shows the three main possibilities about the relationship between the two accounts: “first, the Babylonians borrowed from the Hebrew account; second, the Hebrew account is dependent on the Babylonian; third, both are descended from a common original.”1 Because the Epic written in Akkadian predates the Old Testament written in Hebrew, “The most widely accepted explanation today is the second, namely, that the biblical account is based on Babylonian material.”2 This theory poses an awkward problem for Christians. ....


And one glaring possibility that the atheists like to overlook is that the accounts from extra-biblical sources say some of the same things because they really happened. It is NOT necessarily a definite requirement that one got the story from the other. In fact, a world-wide event should have a few different historical sources.




More often in any debate or discussion, the side that starts name calling and throwing out slurs to the other party's has lost !

Mainly because their argument can not be defended and they fall back into blind belief's, that under scrutiny and critical thinking taking the historical and archeological evidence into consideration may prove other wise from the ones that resort to slurring and name calling wrong.

Just a thought.

Some times I like to use names to identify what people are. There are devils walking this world today. There are demon-possessed people in greater numbers. And there are billions of deceived and delusional boobs running around. People are largely led into deception because they loved something more than the truth.

And there comes a time in a discussion when the slanders or arguments are just so stupid that there is no longer any basis for discussion. When people make statements of confusion and work to make that a profound understanding of the topic at hand, there is not much you can say except "moron".

[Serpo]

you guys keep missing god work , all you need to do is look around he every were . because I don't set in a church no more don't think for a second I don't see his work around me

God consciousness Mick .............




Most religos havnt the courage or insight for this and believe their minds and emotions instead, believing in some greater thing in the future Gods kingdom or heaven after they die.Lost in a dream world of their own making and they completely miss the present experience which is nature and life itself.

[Spectrism]

God consciousness Mick .............

Most religos havnt the courage or insight for this and believe their minds and emotions instead, believing in some greater thing in the future Gods kingdom or heaven after they die.Lost in a dream world of their own making and they completely miss the present experience which is nature and life itself.

Well, you can count me among those who "havnt the courage or insight" to think that I am god. This is the same old lie the devil told at the beginning.
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said to the woman, Dying you shall not die,
Gen 3:5 for God knows that in the day you eat of it, even your eyes shall be opened, and you shall be as God, knowing good and evil.

The downfall of mankind and the exile to cursed earth with death and trouble was caused by this lie, wrapped in truth.

[old steel]

Didn't Jesus remark on one occasion to "look inside" when you are searching for God?

As the spirit of God resides in us.

That's what i believe.

[Serpo]

Well, you can count me among those who "havnt the courage or insight" to think that I am god. This is the same old lie the devil told at the beginning.
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said to the woman, Dying you shall not die,
Gen 3:5 for God knows that in the day you eat of it, even your eyes shall be opened, and you shall be as God, knowing good and evil.

The downfall of mankind and the exile to cursed earth with death and trouble was caused by this lie, wrapped in truth.

Where did I say anything about thinking?????????

You are seeing my words from your own projection of what reality should be and you are saying that anyone with an awareness of GOD being in all things at all times is false.

You best go back to your quotes and verses they are whats real for you, it seems.

Believe your books and what others have said from the past...............

[Serpo]

Didn't Jesus remark on one occasion to "look inside" when you are searching for God?

As the spirit of God resides in us.

That's what i believe.


Of course it is and its called the christ consciousness but people who cannot achieve this state of being are caught in books and verses as if they somehow are the truth.Their own minds have led them astray and yet they become stubborn because they see no way out from what they have basically been indoctrinated with.


Until ye become as little children you will never see the kingdom of heaven.......children have innocence and havnt yet "learnt to believe "in some thing from outside of themselves.

I dont need books and other peoples knowledge from the past to see the truth within myself.

[Spectrism]

Didn't Jesus remark on one occasion to "look inside" when you are searching for God?
As the spirit of God resides in us.
That's what i believe.

He did say that, but He was talking of believers. Here is the verse:
Luk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Here is a literal translation (which makes more sense in the immediate context):
Luk 17:20 And being questioned by the Pharisees as to when the kingdom of God comes, He answered them and said, The kingdom of God does not come with observation;
Luk 17:21 nor will they say, Lo, here! Or, Lo, there! For behold the kingdom of God is in your midst.

The disciples were sent off to preach tha tthe kingdom of heaven was at hand. Messiah was then in the world and would soon regain authority and purity for mankind in this world... for those who would humble themselves before Messiah. It is only under His authority that we are free.

Just some context and comparison-
Luk 11:39 But the Lord said to him, Now you Pharisees cleanse the outside of the cup and of the dish, but your inside is full of robbery and evil.

Mar 7:18 And He said to them, Are you also so undiscerning? Do you not perceive that all that enters from the outside into the man is not able to defile him?
Mar 7:19 This is because it does not enter into his heart, but into the belly, and goes out into the waste-bowl, purging all the foods.
Mar 7:20 And He said, That passing out of the man, it is the thing that defiles the man.
Mar 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, pass out the evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Mar 7:22 thefts, greedy desires, iniquities, deceit, lustful desires, a wicked eye, blasphemy, pride, recklessness.
Mar 7:23 All these evil things pass out from within and defile the man.


And there is a separation between believer and unbeliever. The unbeliever will hear an odd story and no more.
Mat 13:10 And coming near, the disciples said to Him, Why do You speak to them in parables?
Mat 13:11 And answering, He said to them, Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of Heaven, but it has not been given to those.


Mat 13:19 Everyone hearing the Word of the kingdom, and not understanding, then the evil one comes and catches away that which was sown in his heart. This is that sown by the roadside.
Mat 13:20 And that sown on the stony places is this: the one hearing the Word, and immediately receiving it with joy,
Mat 13:21 but has no root in himself, but is temporary, and tribulation, or persecution occurring because of the Word, he is at once offended.
Mat 13:22 And that sown into the thorn bushes is this: the one hearing the Word, and the anxiety of this age, and the deceit of riches, choke the Word, and it becomes unfruitful.
Mat 13:23 But that sown on the good ground is this: the one hearing the Word, and understanding it, who indeed bears and yields fruit, one truly a hundredfold, and one sixty, and one thirty.

Find yourself in the above words.

Luk 11:23 The one not being with Me is against Me. And the one not gathering with Me scatters.

[Serpo]

So truth is now quotes from people dead for some 2000 years...............

[singular_me]

I am talking of *myth studies* and if one wishes to go down this road, ramifications/similarities abound. The one world religion has always been here.

born on dec 25 of a virgin
horus, Buddha, Dionysus, Zarathustra, etc
http://angelspiritgiveswisdom.com/Main/deities%20dec%2025.html

http://gnosticwarrior.com/isis-virgin-mary.html
http://jessicajewettonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/maryisis.jpg



And one glaring possibility that the atheists like to overlook is that the accounts from extra-biblical sources say some of the same things because they really happened. It is NOT necessarily a definite requirement that one got the story from the other. In fact, a world-wide event should have a few different historical sources. .

[BarnkleBob]

7216
Huh?? You are very confused if you see that crap as "eye opener".




Totally erroneous. Genesis does NOT tell us "of all the things that god[sic] created in the beginning". Further, the Word of God which became flesh in Yashuah always existed and was never created. You obviously have not really searched the bible for this but pretend to have become knowledgeable in this. You are a putz.





Naturally your evil mind goes to slander God and fabricate strawmen that you can burn. You have been told the why yet you pretend you never heard. You speak for the devil.




Right to your very last line you presented lies and deceptions. You are full of crap and cannot help yourself being loaded with hate for truth.

Sorry bud, but you arent squirming out of this one with your nonsense.... for it is YOU whom are blinded by the facts...it is YOU whom resort to name calling & defamations, etc. when facts dont support your crap....

[Neuro]

So truth is now quotes from people dead for some 2000 years...............
Truth is truth whenever it was spoken... If you read the New Testament with your 'Christ consciousness', is there anything that rings false to you?

[Dogman]

Truth is truth whenever it was spoken... If you read the New Testament with your 'Christ consciousness', is there anything that rings false to you? The thing is the new testament and the bible was written by man, with all the faults associated with that man is and the political pressures of those times, which were many, conquest,domination,greed and reaching for power and control, etc,etc.

There is what could be called God, but the so called Christians and others that worship this one may not be right, there is a creator or power that made this wonderful universe/planet/us.

But I do question again, why a johnny come lately religion, that has a history of blood shed and pain that calls it self a religion of peace but is the most bloody one of all, is right out of the many and some that are far older? And why do all religions have a common theme? Could it be religions borrowed beliefs from each other, I think they did plagiarism to the max!

It is funny or not that most religions all have very similar creation story's and teach the same ways of life and living together, It binds believers together and that is called civilization and civilized living together call it basic rules for living together.

On the plus side for a few, it gives the opportunity for a few to control the very many! And the plush life that can be had.

Just a very small thought of a possible way to look at things.

Big things we fear the unknown, and some things can not be answered, because it is imposable to know.

Humans are funny because they think, who am I? Why an I here? What is life? Is this it and nothing else?

Is dead , dead? Is there more? etc,etc.

Religions give answers to they that want answers, right or wrong it gives something to believe in and makes life smoother.

Even if there is the huge unknown, religions fill those gaps, all is asked is 'faith' !

[Neuro]

The thing is the new testament and he bible was written by man, with all the faults associated with that man is and the political pressures of those times, which were many, conquest,domination,greed and reaching for power and control, etc,etc.
However Jesus stood up for the downtrodden and the outcasts, he payed with his life for annoying the hell out of TPTB and their commercial interests at the time, maybe he didn't exist in person, if so the ideals of Christ is still powerful and good enough for anyone to try and achieve in their lives and everyone would be better off for it, and in my humble opinion, it doesn't matter if one does it in His name, but you may actually get help to find this way by reading about it in the New Testament. I don't see the New Testament as a work to consolidate the powers of the ruling elite, on the contrary if people really followed the ideas expressed in it, it would lead to its downfall.

No doubt religion has been used to consolidate power, at one time the pope (I believe in the thirteenth century even forbade the reading of the bible among the populace at large), and they were only to get the word of God from his appointed lackeys, the priesthood.

[Dogman]

However Jesus stood up for the downtrodden and the outcasts, he payed with his life for annoying the hell out of TPTB and their commercial interests at the time, maybe he didn't exist in person, if so the ideals of Christ is still powerful and good enough for anyone to try and achieve in their lives and everyone would be better off for it, and in my humble opinion, it doesn't matter if one does it in His name, but you may actually get help to find this way by reading about it in the New Testament. I don't see the New Testament as a work to consolidate the powers of the ruling elite, on the contrary if people really followed the ideas expressed in it, it would lead to its downfall.

What is it?

Make no mistake I am religious, I just take a larger view of everything!


Edit: See you have expanded your original post Neuro.

I still stand on what I hold.

[singular_me]

Neuro, I also see the good messages in the bible that could deliver us from evil... but it aint so, because selective reading wont help. There also are all those other verses calling for the killing of non believers and other brutalities

The bible, just like any other religious textbooks, sustains paradoxes as it doesnt explain dualism but leave most readers extremely confused instead. All textbooks are master pieces in the sense that everybody can keep what s/he like in them, and reject the rest, precisely why even scholars never-ever agree with each others. Let alone the masses.

300 years after the death of christ.... then almost 400 years to decide what verses can be deemed canonical by vatican insiders... 400 years or so later the inquisition to destroy all knowledge that was not already in the hands of the church. Talk of a conspiracy.

problem: mesopotamian-masonic paganism waning
reaction: replacing it with hebraic christendom
solution: masonic-zionist world domination

[Neuro]

What is it?

Make no mistake I am religious, I just take a larger view of everything!
'It' refers to the ruling elite... And I prefer the bigger picture too. As I said I don't know for certain if Jesus Christ existed even. But the ideals of Christ in the New Testament, if people followed them, would lead to the downfall of the ruling elite. But people has this tendency to compromise between good and evil, out of fear.

[Dogman]

'It' refers to the ruling elite... And I prefer the bigger picture too. As I said I don't know for certain if Jesus Christ existed even. But the ideals of Christ in the New Testament, if people followed them, would lead to the downfall of the ruling elite. But people has this tendency to compromise between good and evil, out of fear.

Most people are called 'sheep' for a reason, they would rather have to be told what to believe than think for themselves, that way they can get on with living and enjoying their lifes, because the big questions have been answered by others (religions/govs and such).

Not all are interested in history (all cultures of the world, past and now) and archeology and what it teaches.

[BarnkleBob]

Nothing like pious deception in rewritting history.... the research presented below does support Yeshua/Jesus/Joshua as a King and the last ROYAL descendant per stirpes of the bloodline of Abraham....

Abraham, Pharaoh of Egypt

This is an amazing tale of the history of the biblical patriarchs, they were nothing less than pharaohs of Egypt.

Suddenly the Bible makes sense, there is valid historical data to be found if we know what to look for. Forget the picture postcard images of simple nomadic farmers - enter the tortuous dynastic alliances and political machinations of the most powerful people in the world in that era -

http://www.world-mysteries.com/gw_rellis10.htm

[osoab]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXCh9OhDiCI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXCh9OhDiCI

[Neuro]

Neuro, I also see the good messages in the bible that could deliver us from evil... but it aint so, because selective reading wont help. There also are all those other verses calling for the killing of non believers and other brutalities.

Jesus, didn't call for the killing of non-believers. Why wouldn't one selectively read the New Testament? The Old Testament was for the Jews! It merely gives the cultural background of the Christ at the time...

[Dogman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXCh9OhDiCI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXCh9OhDiCI

Rabble rouser !

;)

[singular_me]

the problem is that without the old testament the new one falls apart as both claim abraham to be the father of the faith (not too mention that jesus belongs of the tribes of judas) ... oops, such as islam



Jesus, didn't call for the killing of non-believers. Why wouldn't one selectively read the New Testament? The Old Testament was for the Jews! It merely gives the cultural background of the Christ at the time...

[Neuro]

Most people are called 'sheep' for a reason, they would rather have to be told what to believe than think for themselves, that way they can get on with living and enjoying their lives
Actually they are not enjoying their lives, it is merely a livelihood for them. The first three four hundred years, after Christ, Christians stood up to be killed for their beliefs, in droves, they were living in the spirit of Christ... I take this as a strong indication that Jesus lived among us, and died on the cross!

[Neuro]

the problem is that without the old testament the new one falls apart as both claim abraham to be the father of the faith... oops, such as islam
No it doesn't! Jesus was a descendant of Abraham, that's it! The ideas in the New Testament is powerful and different enough to stand alone. The only thing the Old Testament does by its inclusion in the bible is to give the Jews power over the Christians.

[singular_me]

sorry for being a pain in the butt, remember that history is written by the winners ?

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Intriguingly, when we look at the ancient evidence for the treatment of early Christians a very different picture emerges. The vast majority of our ancient sources for persecution in the first century were written in the second century and beyond. The stories about the deaths of the apostles, for instance, were written as late as a hundred years later and modeled on the fanciful genre of ancient romance novels.
(Candida Moss is professor of New Testament and Early Christianity at the University of Notre Dame and the author of 'The Myth of Persecution)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/candida-moss/the-myth-of-christian-persecution_b_2901880.html



Actually they are not enjoying their lives, it is merely a livelihood for them. The first three four hundred years, after Christ, Christians stood up to be killed for their beliefs, in droves, they were living in the spirit of Christ... I take this as a strong indication that Jesus lived among us, and died on the cross!

[Dogman]

Actually they are not enjoying their lives, it is merely a livelihood for them. The first three four hundred years, after Christ, Christians stood up to be killed for their beliefs, in droves, they were living in the spirit of Christ... I take this as a strong indication that Jesus lived among us, and died on the cross!Faith and the belief can and are potent. In those times, peoples life's were very different than now. Rome and pax romana was the rule. As today and in the past not everyone is happy with their life's, bad jobs/bosses/dysfunctional family's etc. But you can not speak quantifiable for all then as we can not do it now for everyone. All have happiness tho small and great along with pure shit dealing with life it vary's on the happy/shit ratio for everyone!

I refer in a overview in general way of the times and unto these days also.

Again I am not anti religious, it is just I look at all of them, and where they come from (core) and see the wisdom and evil (when abused) in all.

Go out on a clear night with out any light pollution, and with a telescope view the stars and objects in the messier catalog,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messier_object then find a microscope ( Use dark field) and look at some pound water. From the very big to the smallest it is amazing and humbling if one can appreciate what is seen and be humbled!

I normally stay away from this subject, because in general no one changes any ways they look and believe at religion especially when it comes to the bible (amazing historical source) and their beliefs.

But it is fun to toss a few of my view points now and then.

Peace!

[Horn]

You can't talk about the suffering of Christians, and forget to include the wandering jews.

Romans and Egyptians of the day may have noted it as a war on terror,

yes false flags and supposed religious zealots existed then just as they do today.

Us ordinary folk remain in the cross hairs of their wantonness.

[Neuro]

sorry for being a pain in the butt, remember that history is written by the winners ?

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Intriguingly, when we look at the ancient evidence for the treatment of early Christians a very different picture emerges. The vast majority of our ancient sources for persecution in the first century were written in the second century and beyond. The stories about the deaths of the apostles, for instance, were written as late as a hundred years later and modeled on the fanciful genre of ancient romance novels.
(Candida Moss is professor of New Testament and Early Christianity at the University of Notre Dame and the author of 'The Myth of Persecution)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/candida-moss/the-myth-of-christian-persecution_b_2901880.html
The winners? Do you mean the Zionists who won second world war? I would say that Dr Yeast works for them, yes... Only Jews have ever been persecuted in history!

[singular_me]

exactly why we are in this mega-giga mess.

moreover, if the teachings of jesus were so obvious (love your enemy/neighbor in particular) why have christians carried on their resentment towards the jews for centuries? The irony is that resentment was used as political/religious move to establish an untouchable jewish elite.

Saying that the church was well intentioned when the drafting of the bible started is like saying that the UN was founded on humanitarianism.

no matter how we look at the picture, the sooner people remove their blinders, the better. We all have been had.



You can't talk about the suffering of Christians, and forget to include the wandering jews.

Romans and Egyptians of the day may have noted it as a war on terror,

yes false flags and supposed religious zealots existed then just as they do today.

Us ordinary folk remain in the cross hairs of their wantonness.

[singular_me]

the powers that be at the time.

christian persecution by rome has been aggrandized, read the huffington article which I am sure can be corroborate by other sources.

in 90% of the cases:
not so real persecutions hyped
and real ones diminished



The winners? Do you mean the Zionists who won second world war? I would say that Dr Yeast works for them, yes... Only Jews have ever been persecuted in history!

[Neuro]

exactly why we are in this mega-giga mess.

moreover, if the teachings of jesus were so obvious (love your enemy/neighbor in particular) why have christians carried on their resentment towards the jews for centuries? The irony is that resentment was used as political/religious move to establish an untouchable jewish elite.

Saying that the church was well intentioned when the drafting of the bible started is like saying that the UN was founded on humanitarianism.

no matter how we look at the picture, the sooner people remove their blinders, the better. We all have been had.
Jesus took on the profiteering of the Jewish elite 2000 years ago. That means we should accept it today because Jesus told us to love our enemy? Obviously Jesus wasn't against the general Jewish populace, only its profiteering elite. They killed him for it... And no I don't think one should be only against Jewish profiteering elite, any profiteering elite is good enough.

[Neuro]

the powers that be at the time.

christian persecution by rome has been aggrandized, read the huffington article which I am sure can be corroborate by other sources.

in 90% of the cases:
not so real persecutions hyped
and real ones diminished
In terms of documents from the time, they are few and probably not very exact and probably full of propaganda, but Dr Candida Albicans knows any document re Christian persecution is exaggerated and wrong. Just like she knows Mark and Matthew are wrong in stating that the Pharisees were instrumental in the killing of the Christ... And anyone who agrees with them is a anti-Semite... She is a Zionist plant!