Did You Know the IRS and the Fed are Private Corporations?

[EE_]

Did You Know the IRS and the Fed are Private Corporations?

Pao L. Chang, Guest
Waking Times

Most people living in the USA have no clue that the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) is a foreign agency. To be more accurate, the IRS is a foreign private corporation of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and is the private “army” of the Federal Reserve (Fed). Its main goal is to make sure the American people pay their tax and be good little slaves.

Evidence showing that the IRS isn’t part of the United States government

Like the Federal Reserve (Fed), the IRS isn’t part of the United States government. Instead, it is a collection agency of the privately owned Fed.

As published at ModernHistoryProject.org.

The Internal Revenue Service is considered to be a Bureau of the Department of the Treasury; however, like the Federal Reserve, it is not part of the Federal Government (Diversified Metal Products v. IRS et al. CV-93-405E-EJE U.S.D.C.D.I.; Public Law 94-564; Senate Report 94-1148, pg. 5967; Reorganization Plan No. 26; Public Law 102-391), and in fact was incorporated in Delaware in 1933. It is pointed out that all official Federal Government mail is sent postage-free because of the franking privilege, however, the IRS has to pay their own postage, which indicates that they are not a government entity.

They are in fact a collection agency for the Federal Reserve, because they do not collect any taxes for the U.S. Treasury. All funds collected are turned over to the Federal Reserve. If you have ever sent a check to the IRS, you will find that it was endorsed over to the Federal Reserve. The Federal Reserve, in turn, deposits the money with the International Monetary Fund, an agency of the United Nations (Black’s Law Dictionary, 6th edition, pg. 816), where it is filtered down to the International Development Association (see Treasury Delegation Order No. 91), which is part of the “International Bank for Reconstruction and Development”, commonly known as the World Bank. Therefore, it is now clear that the American people are unknowingly contributing to the coming World Government.



By looking at the court case Diversified Metal Products v. IRS and the definition of the IMF from Black’s Law Dictionary 6th Edition, we know that the IRS is NOT part of the United States government and the IMF IS an agency of the United Nations (UN). In other words, these two foreign agencies are unlawfully collecting tax and money from the American people. If you are an American, you should be mad as hell over this! But instead of remaining angry, turn that anger into motivational energy to motivate you to learn how the tax and banking system work.

The IRS, the Fed, the IMF, and the UN are criminal private corporations that are responsible for destroying the economy of the USA and the economy of many other countries throughout the world. Because they are criminal corporations, they have no lawful standing so don’t be afraid of them.

Who control the IRS, the IMF, and the UN?

The IRS, the IMF, and the UN are controlled by the Crown Temple, which is the secret society that controls the Crown of England. The Crown Temple and the Crown of England take orders from the Pope of the Vatican! The Vatican has a strong relation with the Illuminati, but even more so with the Jesuits. These secret societies along with the Nazis, the Zionists, the Skull and Bones, and the Freemasons are known as the New World Order (NWO).

How to stop the IRS, the IMF, and the UN from destroying your life and humanity

The IRS, the IMF, and the UN actually have no jurisdiction over the American people or the people of the world. Their actions of stealing money from the people of the world are unlawful; however, they are legal. Lawful and legal are two terms that you need to study if you want to learn how to stop the IRS, the IMF, and the UN from destroying your future and the future of humanity. For some interesting facts about lawful and legal, read my empowering article titled Did You Know All Debts Are Prepaid and Fraudulent?

Here are two great court cases that explain why no corporation, including the government or the church, has jurisdiction over the common people who are sovereign.

“The law subscribes to the king (in America, the people) the attribute of sovereignty; he is sovereign and independent within his own Dominion; and owes no kind of subjection to any other potentate upon earth. Hence, it is, that no suit or action can be brought against the king, even in civil matters, because no court can have jurisdiction over him; for all jurisdiction implies supremacy of power”.(Chisholm vs. Georgia, 2 Dall. 419,458.)

“The people, or the Sovereign are not bound by general words in statutes, restrictive of prerogative rights, titles or interests, unless expressly named. Acts of limitation do not bind at the King, nor the people. The people have been ceded all the rights of the king, the former Sovereign. It is a maxim of the common-law that when an act of parliament is made for the public good, the advancement of religion and Justice, and to prevent injury and wrong, the king shall be bound by such an act, though not named; but when a statute is General, and any prerogative rights, titles or interests would be divested or taken from the king (or the people) in such case he shall not be bound”. The People vs. Herkimer, 15 American Decisions 379, 4 Cowen (NY 345, 348 (1825)).

The content in the block quotation above was emailed to me by Ez. Thanks Ez for emailing me that information.

One of the “forbidden” truths of the court system in the USA that they don’t want you to know is the fact that there are currently no judicial courts in the USA.

There are NO Judicial Courts in America and have not been since 1789. Judges do not enforce Statutes and Codes. Executive Administrators enforce Statutes and Codes. (FRC v. GE 281 US 464 Keller v. PE 261 US 428, 1 Stat 138-178)

If you go to court and a judge tells you that he or she is the judge of the law, just say “I object!” And then read the content in the block quotation above out loud to the judge. US judges aren’t really judges. Instead, they are public trustees pretending to be Executive Administrators!

One of the first things you need to do when you are in a courtroom is to tell the judge which role you are playing. Why? Because courts in the USA (this also applies to courts in other Western countries) are all based on presumption. In other words, it is a “game”. This is why it is called a “court-room”. What do people do in a court? They play games, like a basketball game or a tennis game. They didn’t call it the “court” or the “court-room” by accident. Are you starting to see the big picture?

When you walk into the court, you are about to play their game; therefore, the judge automatically presumes that you are playing the role of the trustee (slave). To trick you to consent to be the trustee, the judge will ask you if you are the legal name (i.e., JOHN DOE), which is the name on your driver’s license, birth certificate, etc.

If you answer yes to being that legal name, you just agree to be a legal fiction, which is a corporation. A corporation is a “corpse” or dead entity. If you look at the word “corporation” closely, you can almost see the word “corpse” in it. This is no accident. It is right in your face folks!

In legal term, a corporation is an artificial person. If you want proof of this, look at Black’s Law Dictionary 6th Edition for the legal term “corporation” and you should see this definition, “an artificial person or legal entity created by or under the authority of the laws of a state.” Once you agree to be a legal fiction (corporation), it puts you under their jurisdiction. This means that you have to play under their rules. As a result, it is pretty much game over. Why do you think most people don’t win court cases?

Instead of agreeing to be that legal name or legal fiction, tell the judge that you are the Administrator of that legal name. If you want to learn how to effectively defend yourself against the corrupt Western court system, you need to study Natural Law, trust law, contract law, common law, canon law, and admiralty/maritime law. Once you gain enough knowledge of these laws and learn how to use them to defend your natural rights, judges and attorneys will run away from you like scared little children. For proof of this, watch the short video below.

Freeman in Court – Judge Bows to Sovereign – Canada


https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-cl=84924572&v=yzjv20sC5CY&x-yt-ts=1422411861

After watching the video, did you notice how the judge tries to trick Keith into accepting to be the legal name Keith Thompson? If he would have said yes to being Keith Thompson, it would have been game over. Instead of agreeing to be that legal name, Keith said to the judge that he is the Administrator of that account. The account he is referring to is the legal name Keith Thompson. Once Keith claims to be the Administrator, he becomes the master and the judge becomes the trustee, which is the slave. This is why the judge, who is now the slave, bows to his master (Keith) before the judge (slave) leaves the courtroom.



The video above took place in Canada but it still relates to the court system in the USA, the UK, Australia, and many other Western countries. This is because most Western countries are under the rule of canon law and admiralty/maritime law, which are enforced by the Vatican. Those countries aren’t free states, because their people are enslaved through implied consent!

Corporate and State “laws” don’t apply to a sovereign Man or Woman

Each one of us is a sovereign Man or Woman with a soul. We were created by the Prime Creator and were given natural rights. Our natural rights are above all corporate or state rules, orders, codes, statutes, and regulations. Judges are well aware of these things, which is why they try to trick us to consent to be a legal fiction. This legal fiction or corporation is the name written in ALL CAPS. Take out your driver’s license or any government document issued to you and you should see your name written in ALL CAPS.

When it comes to freedom, learning how to defend your natural rights is the most important thing you can do. Once you learn how to defend your natural rights, the IRS and the court don’t want to mess with you, because they know that they can’t lawfully force you to pay tax. To learn how to defend your natural rights, read my empowering article titled Why You Need to Study Natural Law.

The following video does a great job of exposing the IRS for what it really is. I don’t agree with everything in the video, but it does expose some shocking information about the IRS.

Crosshairs: The Internal Revenue Scandal


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RKdCvK4xz8&x-yt-ts=1422411861&x-yt-cl=84924572

http://www.wakingtimes.com/2015/01/27/know-irs-fed-private-corporations/

[Dogman]

BS

But well be taken as gospel, by the 1%ers as mana from heaven and truth written in stone.

[7th trump]

The fed is a private corporation....the IRS is not.
What you have here is "IRS" internet conspiracy bullshit.
The IRS is the collection agency of the US Treasury complete with a commisioner.......its 100% US government owned and operated.

[palani]

The IRS is the collection agency of the US Treasury complete with a commisioner.......its 100% US government owned and operated.
Administrative agencies practice administrative law. Administrative law is described in AmJur2d as the fourth branch of government despite the fact that the constitution only provides for three branches. Separation of powers is what bills of attainder (and bills of pains and punishments) are all about. Legislative branch determines law and the judicial branch determines penalties for violating laws.

Not all federal functions are public. The District of Columbia is a municipality and may enact its own laws for its own citizens completely separate from any constitutional duties. The failure is to detect that the jurisdiction of the district is limited to a spot on earth some ten miles on a side along with some territory they collected along the way. So is the District of Columbia entitled to their own Treasury and collection service? Sure they are. If I can do it so can they. Again .. the mistake is that this is a federal PUBLIC agency when there is and can be no authority for it.

Sweet dreams. Or nightmares as the case may be.

[Ponce]

Did you know that the official headquarter for the IRS is not even in the US?......yeap........is in Puerto Rico, is because some legal bullshit that I don't know about......this is something that most people don't know........keyword "official".

V

[Ares]

The fed is a private corporation....the IRS is not.
What you have here is "IRS" internet conspiracy bullshit.
The IRS is the collection agency of the US Treasury complete with a commisioner.......its 100% US government owned and operated.

Not true.

The IRS is not an organization within the United States Department of the Treasury (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/31/stIch3schI.html). The U.S. Department of the Treasury was organized by statutes now codified in Title 31 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/31) of the United States Code, abbreviated “31 U.S.C.” The only mention of the IRS anywhere in 31 U.S.C. §§ 301‑315 is an authorization for the President to appoint an Assistant General Counsel in the U.S. Department of the Treasury to be the Chief Counsel for the IRS. See 31 U.S.C. 301 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/31/301.html)(f)(2).



At footnote 23 in the case of Chrysler Corp. v. Brown, 441 U.S. 281 (1979 (http://laws.findlaw.com/us/441/281.html#f23)), the U.S. Supreme Court admitted that no organic Act for the IRS could be found, after they searched for such an Act all the way back to the Civil War, which ended in the year 1865 A.D. The Guarantee Clause (http://www.supremelaw.org/ref/whuscons/whuscons.htm#4:4) in the U.S. Constitution (http://www.supremelaw.org/ref/whuscons/whuscons.htm) guarantees the Rule of Law to all Americans (we are to be governed by Law and not by arbitrary bureaucrats). See Article IV, Section 4 (http://www.supremelaw.org/ref/whuscons/whuscons.htm#4:4). Since there was no organic Act creating it, IRS is not a lawful organization.

http://www.supremelaw.org/sls/31answers.htm

[7th trump]

Administrative agencies practice administrative law. Administrative law is described in AmJur2d as the fourth branch of government despite the fact that the constitution only provides for three branches. Separation of powers is what bills of attainder (and bills of pains and punishments) are all about. Legislative branch determines law and the judicial branch determines penalties for violating laws.

Not all federal functions are public. The District of Columbia is a municipality and may enact its own laws for its own citizens completely separate from any constitutional duties. The failure is to detect that the jurisdiction of the district is limited to a spot on earth some ten miles on a side along with some territory they collected along the way. So is the District of Columbia entitled to their own Treasury and collection service? Sure they are. If I can do it so can they. Again .. the mistake is that this is a federal PUBLIC agency when there is and can be no authority for it.

Sweet dreams. Or nightmares as the case may be.

The IRS doesnt practice administrative law....they are a collection bureau of the Treasury that administers the revenue laws (they are guided by laws). The DoJ will enforce those laws when asked by the IRS.
The government, not the IRS, then uses lawyers in the court room to practice those laws.
The IRS doesnt have lawyers in the way you portray it.
Just about everything associated with the US government has rules and regulations.....does that make every dept of the government administrative?

Do you convolute just about everything that you chat about?

[7th trump]

Not true.

The IRS is not an organization within the United States Department of the Treasury (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/31/stIch3schI.html). The U.S. Department of the Treasury was organized by statutes now codified in Title 31 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/31) of the United States Code, abbreviated “31 U.S.C.” The only mention of the IRS anywhere in 31 U.S.C. §§ 301‑315 is an authorization for the President to appoint an Assistant General Counsel in the U.S. Department of the Treasury to be the Chief Counsel for the IRS. See 31 U.S.C. 301 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/31/301.html)(f)(2).



At footnote 23 in the case of Chrysler Corp. v. Brown, 441 U.S. 281 (1979 (http://laws.findlaw.com/us/441/281.html#f23)), the U.S. Supreme Court admitted that no organic Act for the IRS could be found, after they searched for such an Act all the way back to the Civil War, which ended in the year 1865 A.D. The Guarantee Clause (http://www.supremelaw.org/ref/whuscons/whuscons.htm#4:4) in the U.S. Constitution (http://www.supremelaw.org/ref/whuscons/whuscons.htm) guarantees the Rule of Law to all Americans (we are to be governed by Law and not by arbitrary bureaucrats). See Article IV, Section 4 (http://www.supremelaw.org/ref/whuscons/whuscons.htm#4:4). Since there was no organic Act creating it, IRS is not a lawful organization.

http://www.supremelaw.org/sls/31answers.htm

Just an example of the ignorant and foolish babblings.

Please dont cut and paste articles from conspiracy websites...they arent official of any standard , but rather opinion of the inexperienced conspiracy mindset.
Paul Andrew Mitchel is no official authority!!...................hes being prosecuted.....http://www.quatloos.com/Q-Forum/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=9831

Read the first paragraph and follow the links
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_Revenue_Service

[Ares]

Just an example of the ignorant and foolish babblings.

Please dont cut and paste articles from conspiracy websites...they arent official of any standard , but rather opinion of the inexperienced conspiracy mindset.
Paul Andrew Mitchel is no official authority!!...................hes being prosecuted.....http://www.quatloos.com/Q-Forum/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=9831

Read the first paragraph and follow the links
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_Revenue_Service

:rolleyes:

Case against Paul Andrew Michel was dismissed. http://www.scribd.com/doc/250804605/Paul-Andrew-Mitchell-s-case-is-officially-terminated

The quatloosers are just that, you shouldn't rely on them for too much information. They are a bunch of statists fools who would suck off every prosecutor or judge if they had the chance to do so.

Can you show me anywhere under Title 31 (Here I'll post the link for you: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/31) where it mentions the IRS?

It gets better if you actually bothered to even research instead of just spouting off at the mouth like always.


There was virtually no Washington bureaucracy created by the Act of July 1, 1862, ch. 119, 12 Stat. 432, the statute to which the present Internal Revenue Service can be traced. Researchers report that during the Civil War 85% of the operations of the Bureau of Internal Revenue were carried out in the field - "including the assessing and collection of taxes, the handling of appeals, and punishment for frauds" - and this balance of responsibility was not generally upset until the 20th century. L. Schmeckebier & F. Eble, The Bureau of Internal Revenue 8, 40-43 (1923). Agents had the power to enter any home or business establishment to look for taxable property and examine books of accounts. Information was collected and processed in the field. It is, therefore, not surprising to find that congressional comments during this period focused on potential abuses by agents in the field and not on breaches of confidentiality by a Washington-based bureaucracy.

Case law http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=441&invol=281#t23

trumps (pun intended) wikipedia.

[Ponce]

Well, this is contrary to what I read several years ago.......maybe you are right.......who knows.

V

[palani]

The IRS doesnt practice administrative law....they are a collection bureau of the Treasury that administers the revenue laws . Federal courts dealing with tax issues are administrative courts. It goes like this ... there is a dispute. The IRS says "you owe $200,000" and you say "no I don't owe THAT MUCH" which then admits that you do owe SOMETHING and it is off to tax court you go because you agreed to it.

(they are guided by laws) Bankrupt entities have no laws. They also provide no remedies in the event of a trespass.

The DoJ will enforce those laws when asked by the IRS The DoJ will enforce my complaints as well. Funny thing about justice ... all one has to do is complain.

The government, not the IRS, then uses lawyers in the court room to practice those laws. In Russia this is called a Gulag ... part of a digestive system where the food is men. In the U.S. of A. Barbara Bush stands to make money on prison commissaries for every man or woman sent to prison.

The IRS doesnt have lawyers in the way you portray it. The IRS has private contractors who work on a commission basis. And where did I indicate that the IRS has lawyers? Why do they need them? They have accountants instead.

Just about everything associated with the US government has rules and regulations.....does that make every dept of the government administrative? It does when I am not holding office that would make me susceptible to those rules and regulations and they still attempt to apply them.

Do you convolute just about everything that you chat about? I doubt if you have a concept of the mathematical principle of convolution but it is an important one used in analyzing systems and in filter design.

[EE_]

The fed is a private corporation....the IRS is not.
What you have here is "IRS" internet conspiracy bullshit.
The IRS is the collection agency of the US Treasury complete with a commisioner.......its 100% US government owned and operated.

The US government is a private organization, owned and operated by the same people that control the Fed and the IRS.
The government damn sure is not for the people and by the people, and the constitution no longer exists.

[7th trump]

The US government is a private organization, owned and operated by the same people that control the Fed and the IRS.
The government damn sure is not for the people and by the people, and the constitution no longer exists.

Do you have any solid evidence of this?

[7th trump]

Federal courts dealing with tax issues are administrative courts. It goes like this ... there is a dispute. The IRS says "you owe $200,000" and you say "no I don't owe THAT MUCH" which then admits that you do owe SOMETHING and it is off to tax court you go because you agreed to it.
Bankrupt entities have no laws. They also provide no remedies in the event of a trespass.
The DoJ will enforce my complaints as well. Funny thing about justice ... all one has to do is complain.
In Russia this is called a Gulag ... part of a digestive system where the food is men. In the U.S. of A. Barbara Bush stands to make money on prison commissaries for every man or woman sent to prison.
The IRS has private contractors who work on a commission basis. And where did I indicate that the IRS has lawyers? Why do they need them? They have accountants instead.
It does when I am not holding office that would make me susceptible to those rules and regulations and they still attempt to apply them.
I doubt if you have a concept of the mathematical principle of convolution but it is an important one used in analyzing systems and in filter design.

Nothing you have said in your posts provides any evidence to your previous assertions.

[palani]

Nothing you have said in your posts provides any evidence to your previous assertions.

I haven't SAID anything.

[7th trump]

:rolleyes:

Case against Paul Andrew Michel was dismissed. http://www.scribd.com/doc/250804605/Paul-Andrew-Mitchell-s-case-is-officially-terminated

The quatloosers are just that, you shouldn't rely on them for too much information. They are a bunch of statists fools who would suck off every prosecutor or judge if they had the chance to do so.

Can you show me anywhere under Title 31 (Here I'll post the link for you: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/31) where it mentions the IRS?

It gets better if you actually bothered to even research instead of just spouting off at the mouth like always.



Case law http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=441&invol=281#t23

trumps (pun intended) wikipedia.

Ok Ares I guess you're not going to stop beating this dead horse conspiracy where the horse doesn't exist.
I guess I'm gonna have to do this very gently for you.

The IRS is a what of the Treasury department?
(this is simple English grammar construction)

Ok here we go....pay attention...the IRS is a "bureau" of the US Treasury.
Do you know what a "bureau" is and understand its of the US Treasury?
What I mean is a "bureau" is of something larger....meaning its not an equal to the US Treasury, but rather makes up part of the US Treasury.

Is it coming together for you?
(pay attention Palani....you just may learn something today!!)

The IRS being a "part" of the US Treasury doesn't need to be in Title 31....you wont see it in there. But people will believe since its not in there.....................MY GOD ITS A CONSPIRACY, when in fact its their ignorance that's the stumbling block to intelligence.
So I hope you've learned your lesson about following "conspiracies"....they'll make you look like a complete fool!......don't believe me.....just read anything from Palani...hes a perfect example of a conspiracy minded nutcase.

[7th trump]

I haven't SAID anything.

See what I mean Ares about Palani?
Palani walks right into his own stupidity...its like he wants everyone to think he's stupid by playing these stupid games....so if its a stupid game he wants....give it to him....I do!

[mick silver]

I didn't hear palani say anything

[Dogman]

No sound waves were abused or in any way harmed in his post !

;)

[Ares]

Ok Ares I guess you're not going to stop beating this dead horse conspiracy where the horse doesn't exist.
I guess I'm gonna have to do this very gently for you.

The IRS is a what of the Treasury department?
(this is simple English grammar construction)

Ok here we go....pay attention...the IRS is a "bureau" of the US Treasury.
Do you know what a "bureau" is and understand its of the US Treasury?
What I mean is a "bureau" is of something larger....meaning its not an equal to the US Treasury, but rather makes up part of the US Treasury.

A BUREAU that was not created by congress has no force in law, which is the entire point of the original posters argument.

No legitimate authority resides in or emanates from an office which was not legitimately created and/or ordained either by state or national constitutions or by legislative enactment. See variously, United States v. Germane, 99 U.S. 508 (1879), Norton v. Shelby County, 118 U.S. 425, 441, 6 S.Ct. 1121 (1866), etc., dating to Pope v. Commissioner, 138 F.2d 1006, 1009 (6th Cir. 1943); where the state is concerned, the most recent corresponding decision was State v. Pinckney, 276 N.W.2d 433, 436 (Iowa 1979).


Is it coming together for you?
(pay attention Palani....you just may learn something today!!)

You should be asking yourself that question. If the 16th Amendment granted congress no new taxing authority, how can the treasury create a bureau out of thin air to collect on something it has not authority to do so?


The IRS being a "part" of the US Treasury doesn't need to be in Title 31....you wont see it in there. But people will believe since its not in there.....................MY GOD ITS A CONSPIRACY, when in fact its their ignorance that's the stumbling block to intelligence.

No that would be all of the other court cases including a supreme court case where they could not even find the legal authority for the IRS's existence which you've completely ignored from an earlier post and come off like an egotistical jerk thinking anyone you debates you is an ignorant jackass.


So I hope you've learned your lesson about following "conspiracies"....they'll make you look like a complete fool!......don't believe me.....just read anything from Palani...hes a perfect example of a conspiracy minded nutcase.


Nope apparently not when even courts are able to find where the IRS draws its authority from when challenged, I'm supposed to believe you? Right...........

[midnight rambler]

Straight from the source: "We (Massachusetts SWAT teams) are private corporations" -

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/06/26/massachusetts-swat-teams-claim-theyre-private-corporations-immune-from-open-records-laws/

So exactly where do they get their authority to give out noogies to anyone and everyone who pops up on their radar??

[7th trump]

A BUREAU that was not created by congress has no force in law, which is the entire point of the original posters argument.

No legitimate authority resides in or emanates from an office which was not legitimately created and/or ordained either by state or national constitutions or by legislative enactment. See variously, United States v. Germane, 99 U.S. 508 (1879), Norton v. Shelby County, 118 U.S. 425, 441, 6 S.Ct. 1121 (1866), etc., dating to Pope v. Commissioner, 138 F.2d 1006, 1009 (6th Cir. 1943); where the state is concerned, the most recent corresponding decision was State v. Pinckney, 276 N.W.2d 433, 436 (Iowa 1979).

This makes no sense why you posted this Ares. What exact point are you trying to make?......."
No legitimate authority resides in or emanates from an office which was not legitimately created and/or ordained either by state or national constitutions or by legislative enactment"
Did you actually read this?
What you posted coinsides with the IRS existence..........let me explain.....the Treasury was and is legitimate created by the US Constitution. And since the IRS is a bureau of the legitimate US Treasury the IRS very much legit. Your post says that basically no authority exist when an office isnt legit.....but the US Treasury is legit...and therefore allowed to make a bureau to collect taxes.
Seriously you need to stop going to these websites that make up conspiracies....use your head sometime


You should be asking yourself that question. If the 16th Amendment granted congress no new taxing authority, how can the treasury create a bureau out of thin air to collect on something it has not authority to do so?
Another dead horse conspiracy theory....the 16th amendment huh?
Show me where the 16th gives taxing powers if you beleive the 16th allowed the US Treasury to come up with the IRS because all the 16th did was remove the apportionment requirement.
I can give you the answer again but you will not like what I have to say..........its Social Security that causing your earnings to be deemed "wages". The 16th has nothing at all to do with this.


No that would be all of the other court cases including a supreme court case where they could not even find the legal authority for the IRS's existence which you've completely ignored from an earlier post and come off like an egotistical jerk thinking anyone you debates you is an ignorant jackass.
Again you will not find any authority of the IRS to exist on the same level that the US Treasury is required to exist...hense why no court has found the authority. I told you once already the IRS is not an equal to the US Treasury....the IRS is a bureau of the US Treasury. Why you cant get that through your head is beyond me.......I guess you're infected just like many of the people who visit these conspiracy sites get infected with frivolous and baseless notions.




Nope apparently not when even courts are able to find where the IRS draws its authority from when challenged, I'm supposed to believe you? Right...........
Like most tax protesters who lose in court.............wrong arguement to take to court.
Would you expect to win a court case challenging the IRS in its authority to exist using the same authority the Treasury uses to exist when the IRS is a dept of the US Treasury.
Why cant you get this through your thick dense head?

And I act the way I ndo because you have people like Palani....and now you who would rather take the word of idiots over actually researching the subject first hand.
Hey look Ares.....stupid is what stupid does and if you prefer to be ignorant and foolish and beleive every Tom, Dick And Harry's conspiracy theory on the web then by all means expect me to treat you on the same level as these ignorant conspiracy fools.
I garantee you dont give respect to fools....why shpould I?

If you want t olook stupid......then look stupid...I dont care!

[palani]

And I act the way I ndo because you have people like ....

So you have given me the authority to control your actions? You cannot be responsible for what you do yourself? You must have another to blame?

Very responsible!!! You are where you are by the law of your being and yours alone.

[7th trump]

So you have given me the authority to control your actions? You cannot be responsible for what you do yourself? You must have another to blame?

Very responsible!!! You are where you are by the law of your being and yours alone.

LOL!!!!
You cant even back a good conspiracy without running from it.

Its ironic that you absolutely will not read todays statutes to understand a legal....but you will regurgatate old ancient outdated and arcaic books that are nothing more than the predecessors of todays statutes.
Still homeless?

[palani]

You cant even back a good conspiracy without running from it. Conspiracies are done in private. Everything I discuss has been done openly and with your complete consent (not mine though).

Its ironic that you absolutely will not read todays statutes to understand a legal....but you will regurgatate old ancient outdated and arcaic books that are nothing more than the predecessors of todays statutes.
Law and Equity have always been at odds. They are two systems in opposition to each other and have been since they were conceived. Much like capitalism and communism. A dipole. A means of separating two sources of energy.

Why read statute when they are not law? Why study court findings when they are Equity as opposed to Law? Neither of these apply to me. If you want them to apply to you then by all means study them. Occasionally I find reason in some statute or court finding wherein remnants of law can be discovered but these are very rare and worth noting when found.


Still homeless?I am. So are you but you are just too dumb to understand it.

[7th trump]

Conspiracies are done in private. Everything I discuss has been done openly and with your complete consent (not mine though).

Law and Equity have always been at odds. They are two systems in opposition to each other and have been since they were conceived. Much like capitalism and communism. A dipole. A means of separating two sources of energy.

Why read statute when they are not law? Why study court findings when they are Equity as opposed to Law? Neither of these apply to me. If you want them to apply to you then by all means study them. Occasionally I find reason in some statute or court finding wherein remnants of law can be discovered but these are very rare and worth noting when found.

I am. So are you but you are just too dumb to understand it.

Being deflectively clever will cost you credability palani. Its already a thorn in your side.

Equity and Law have nothing at all to do with researching the statutes to understand them more perfectly. 100+ year old foreign laws dont apply to todays US laws nor to US citizens or The People.
Court findings are used to interpret how Laws apply......AKA a better understanding.
I guess you willfully dont want t obetter understand the laws whether or not a case uses equity or not to dispute a complaint.
Laws can be interpreted in equity or not.
Equity was introduced to render a dispute outside of monatary value.......like an injuction.

[palani]

100+ year old foreign laws dont apply to todays US laws nor to US citizens or The People. Court findings are used to interpret how Laws apply.
Having no internal source of law yourself you choose to rely upon the law of a committee. So sad!!!



you willfully dont want t obetter understand the laws Other people and their 'laws' don't trouble me. I live in the country.

Equity was introduced to render a dispute outside of monatary value.......like an injuction. Precisely what I have been saying. There is no MONEY SO EVERYTHING IS EQUITY. Even stumbling around in the dark like you do you eventually find a pearl .. or as dad used to say "EVEN A BLIND HORSE HAS TO FIND WATER ONCE IN A WHILE".

[7th trump]

Having no internal source of law yourself you choose to rely upon the law of a committee. So sad!!!
(nonsensical babble)

Other people and their 'laws' don't trouble me. I live in the country.
( whatever....your monthly social security check will not be mailed out without a federal zipcode. You do know what a zipcode confers don't you?)

Precisely what I have been saying. There is no MONEY SO EVERYTHING IS EQUITY. Even stumbling around in the dark like you do you eventually find a pearl .. or as dad used to say "EVEN A BLIND HORSE HAS TO FIND WATER ONCE IN A WHILE".
(More bullshit......an example of equity in law for instance is if I had a cow and it wondered onto your land and you claimed it your own. I would take you to court and have a judge injunction you to force the return of my property.... no money was involved....not this other crap about "no money"...that's just a load of your personal bullshit.)


You say the statutes don't apply huh?
My ass.......you follow the speed limits don't you?
I bet you do....and speed limits are statutory just as much as you having a ssn is and you disclosing the ssn on government forms.
You don't receive your ssn check without following statutes.

You're such a transparent phony ass palani!

Also....depending on the complaint any judge can rule any law, statute or regulation in equity.....so your equity bullshit is just a recent "buzz" word you heard from somewhere and your capitalizing on it......LOL....I wonder what the next buzz word you're gonna cling to is going to be!

[palani]

an example of equity in law for instance is if I had a cow and it wondered onto your land and you claimed it your own. I would take you to court and have a judge injunction you to force the return of my property At law the action would be replevin. Injunction is an equity thing ... you are correct about that ... but injunction is to prevent an action rather than to force an action. So in the end analysis you are full of BS. As is the rest of your verbal pollution in your post.

[7th trump]

At law the action would be replevin. Injunction is an equity thing ... you are correct about that ... but injunction is to prevent an action rather than to force an action. So in the end analysis you are full of BS. As is the rest of your verbal pollution in your post.

What ever palani.....you're reaching long and far pal!


Like other forms of action, replevin was wrapped up in technicalities that made it unwieldy for many plaintiffs. Modern statutes have replaced the old forms with more efficient laws of Civil Procedure; in most states, these include a particular statute regulating the recovery of personal property wrongfully withheld. These procedures generally incorporate elements of the common-law actions of detinue and replevin. The plaintiff usually initiates proceedings by serving papers showing why he or she claims the property and by posting a bond equal to double the value of the property. Then the sheriff seizes the property and, after a short period, delivers it to the plaintiff to hold until a hearing can be had on the claim. Most statutes allow the defendant to regain the property before the hearing by posting a bond of his or her own and filing an Affidavit stating that he or she is entitled to possession of the property


An injunction is a legal action of force you stoop!

[palani]

An injunction is a legal action of force you stoop!
You are where you are by the law of your being. I guess your law idolized stupidity.

[7th trump]

You are where you are by the law of your being. I guess your law idolized stupidity.

Seriously?
Coming from the guy who doesn't give straight answers when asked and........for some unknown reason believes foreign law applies to US citizens and The People here on American soil.

If you call legally not having deductions and withholdings taken from my earnings "stupidity"...then by all means I'm stupid.
What have you accomplished?

[palani]

If you call legally not having deductions and withholdings taken from my earnings "stupidity"...then by all means I'm stupid. Fools paradise.

What have you accomplished? I don't take water from anyone.

[7th trump]

Fools paradise.
I don't take water from anyone.

Interesting.........fools paradise huh?

Pretty much describes you to a tee...........don't you think?

[palani]

Pretty much describes you to a tee...........don't you think?
You are delusional. Why does not paying taxes matter if you cannot obtain legal ownership of anything with the FRNs you have 'saved'? You are certainly out of touch with reality because you are pretending that you are different from everyone else.

Pure fiction.

[mick silver]

you guys want to go rabbit hunting in the morning , this thread done been hijacked anyways

[7th trump]

You are delusional. Why does not paying taxes matter if you cannot obtain legal ownership of anything with the FRNs you have 'saved'? You are certainly out of touch with reality because you are pretending that you are different from everyone else.

Pure fiction.
Your premise about what causes taxes to be imposed on the earnings of labor is wrong.
Has nothing to do with fiat paper currency.
The first income tax was imposed in 1861.........almost 50 years before frn's came into existence. But that fact is not gonna stop you from forcing round pegs in square holes now is it?
You've been ignoring facts and evidence from day 1...I highly doubt you'll stop now.
After all you make up your law as you go along....as far as any of us know....the sky is pink in your delusional world.

[palani]

The first income tax was imposed in 1861.........almost 50 years before frn's came into existence.
The first income tax was deemed unconstitutional by the U.S. Supreme Court. As income tax relates to real men and real women it still is unconstitutional. As income tax relates to U.S. citizens the constitution does not even apply so this tax works out ok.

But then what matters the amount you can keep from being taxed when no ownership changes hands when an FRN is used for 'purchases'.

Do you really believe you own that FRN in your pocket? Or that presenting it to a merchant is going to transfer ownership of his goods? YOUR ENTIRE WORLD IS BASED UPON FICTION. THE MATRIX HAS YOU.

[7th trump]

The first income tax was deemed unconstitutional by the U.S. Supreme Court. As income tax relates to real men and real women it still is unconstitutional. As income tax relates to U.S. citizens the constitution does not even apply so this tax works out ok.

But then what matters the amount you can keep from being taxed when no ownership changes hands when an FRN is used for 'purchases'.

Do you really believe you own that FRN in your pocket? Or that presenting it to a merchant is going to transfer ownership of his goods? YOUR ENTIRE WORLD IS BASED UPON FICTION. THE MATRIX HAS YOU.
Ownership is possession is it not....the proverbial 9/10 of the law statement?
So yeah....I give some frn's to the grocer and I get to take the goods home to grill up a steak with all the fixing......I'll guarantee you the grocer doesn't stop by my house asking where his slab of steak is or if I already consumed it. Only a fool thinks that way ...or a complete delusional conspiracy nutcase would.

Yeah I do feel I own the frn's in my pocket. Matter of fact I can proof it.....if the reserve banks ever tried to break in my house to take it....they'd get arrested for theft and breaking and entering just any dipshit burglar would off the streets.
Where did you get the delusional idea that the frn's you earn aren't yours?


Yeah the first income tax probably was deemed unconstitutional.....but what about the other revenue acts since then Palani?
Theres been many income tax revenue acts not deemed unconstitutional.
The 1861 revenue act is still enforced today and millions of Americans are required to file by April 15th on their Social Security "wages" they earn.
Don't believe me? Look at 26usc 3401(a) "wages"....those are the "wages" listed on the W2 in box 1.
When looking at 3401 you'll find it is made up of those Social Security 3121(a) wages I've been telling you about. Social Security isn't mandatory and therefor one doesn't earn 3121(a) "wages" if they don't want to.
I chose not to and therefore the forms W4, W2 and W3...don't apply. I keep 100% of my earnings....thus starving the beast of my blood.
You receive Social Security..............you aren't out of the matrix as you think you are. You can tap your ruby red slippers all you want and say you are but you aren't
See palani....its YOUR ENTIRE WORLD THATS BASED UPON FICTION. YOU'RE STILL IN THE MATRIX BY CONSENT.

[palani]

Ownership is possession is it not....the proverbial 9/10 of the law statement? And you are forgetting the other 1/10th of the law .... lawful ownership. The proverb is intended to distract you from that 10% but it is indeed the most important part.

the grocer doesn't stop by my house asking where his slab of steak is In the trust set up you do have the use but not the usufruct.


if the reserve banks ever tried to break in my house to take it....they'd get arrested for theft and breaking and entering just any dipshit burglar would off the streets. Your home isn't your castle. It is your prison. Stop paying those property taxes and you will find out what emancipation is like.

the first income tax probably was deemed unconstitutional.....but what about the other revenue acts since then I guess too many brain cells died between your post and my last post. The status of U.S. citizen is what happened. It certainly is not unlawful for the government to tax their own citizens.


The 1861 revenue act is still enforced today Sorry to inform you but there are no statutes of the organic U.S. federal government that are law today. This entity went out of business in 1868 to be replaced with the 'democracy'.