Ego Death

[woodman]

I don't know if this has been discussed here before. I am retarded when it comes to using the search function so I'm sure someone will let me know.

http://biologyofkundalini.com/article.php?story=Egodeath

I had experiences long ago which might have been easier to assimilate if I'd been given a primer on this subject. I suspect it is this way with many of us. Maybe it is never easy. No matter what the mind knows, it is still the mind?

[Horn]

One benefit of a realized ego, is its use as a tool when dealing with other inflated ones.

What starts out as a shield becomes a karmic whip that has ability to impale its holder.

It must therefore remain under constant scrutiny, and tempering. ego never completely vanishes until death do we part.

[madfranks]

I don't think I've ever experienced true ego death, but I've read stories from people who claim to have experienced it. Part of me thinks something like that would be very scary, but if it did happen, you wouldn't even know enough to be scared.

[woodman]

I don't think I've ever experienced true ego death, but I've read stories from people who claim to have experienced it. Part of me thinks something like that would be very scary, but if it did happen, you wouldn't even know enough to be scared.

I think the fear of death would be a large part of it. Maybe once it happens it would become moot. I have been reading about ayahuasca experiences and they sound profound.

[expat4ever]

you been listening to Joe rogan podcasts? LOL. I have been interested in Ayahuasca as well. May take a trip down south and give it a go. You might want to start with a small does of mushrooms and work your way up to dmt and then ayahuasca. ayahuasca is supposedly a lot longer lasting dmt experience. smoking dmt only lasts a few minutes. I tried it once but it didnt do anything for me. They say it doesnt work on maybe 5% of people. I guess I am in that 5%.

If you havent lready do a seach oh ytube for Joe Rogan and DMT, also Terrence McKenna. In some of his lectures Terrnce goes in depth about his experiences and his thoughts on them.

[madfranks]

you been listening to Joe rogan podcasts? LOL. I have been interested in Ayahuasca as well. May take a trip down south and give it a go. You might want to start with a small does of mushrooms and work your way up to dmt and then ayahuasca. ayahuasca is supposedly a lot longer lasting dmt experience. smoking dmt only lasts a few minutes. I tried it once but it didnt do anything for me. They say it doesnt work on maybe 5% of people. I guess I am in that 5%.

If you havent lready do a seach oh ytube for Joe Rogan and DMT, also Terrence McKenna. In some of his lectures Terrnce goes in depth about his experiences and his thoughts on them.

I always thought that DMT trumped Ayahuasca in producing a psychedelic state. Is this not true?

[singular_me]

DMT lasts several minutes, Ayahuasca, 2H during wich your ego'd better surrender to the visions or else, 2H pretty intense and 2 very mellow

Ayahuasca is a full out of body experience. all journeys are different, depending on one's perception of reality.

both are spirit molecules, not psychedelics. You really go to the other side and communicate with the all that is.


edit
both are same but processed differently.



I always thought that DMT trumped Ayahuasca in producing a psychedelic state. Is this not true?

[Hitch]

This topic seems fascinating, but can someone explain this in normal terms so a normal guy could understand? This is going over my head, unfortunately. The OP article, I can't make any sense of it.

[expat4ever]

As i said DMT didnt work for me but for others it sends them to another dimension for about 10 minutes. Intense colors and elf like beings are also known to communicate with you. Ayahuasca is also called the purge, You will eliminate from all orificases. I havent done it but I think SM nailed it.

definitely listen to the Rogan or McKenna stuff on it. ou will definitely have a better understanding. McKenna would be my first choice.

[singular_me]

it is my understanding that an ayahuasca ceremony requires a 3-7 day special diet, no meat, diary, no pot, no alcohol, and much more.

purge in the sense that you eliminate all toxins. the more you are religious about your diet, the less annoyance so to speak. But vomiting is almost inevitable, unless for the very old timers.



As i said DMT didnt work for me but for others it sends them to another dimension for about 10 minutes. Intense colors and elf like beings are also known to communicate with you. Ayahuasca is also called the purge, You will eliminate from all orificases. I havent done it but I think SM nailed it.

definitely listen to the Rogan or McKenna stuff on it. ou will definitely have a better understanding. McKenna would be my first choice.

[expat4ever]

This topic seems fascinating, but can someone explain this in normal terms so a normal guy could understand? This is going over my head, unfortunately. The OP article, I can't make any sense of it.

This sums it up
Just as a virgin only has a limited grasp of what it is to be human prior to having sex, so to those who have not experienced the ecstatic inner-conjunction or a Dark Night also have a limited perception of the height and depth of reality. These extreme events in consciousness make the ego more sober, respectful and humble because of this reorientation of what it is to be Human. This adjustment is largely biochemical. There is both vast expulsion of stored tension-energy and extensive reconstruction of the brains hardware that is brought about by these events. And it is this chemical, energetic and experiential reformation, which leads to what we know as Ego Death...whereas really it should be known as an expansion of the tight boundaries of the Ego to encompass a larger felt-sense of humanization.

With shrooms your perception of everything increases. Eyesight is enhanced and you have a feeling of oneness with nature is the best way I have to describe it. Eat 3-5 grams of dried shrooms and you just want to be out with nature. Some visuals will accompany them sometimes. mostly light trails and some fractals. I wouldnt drive on them but I normally feel very much in control except for several hrs of uncontrollable laughter on certain strains.

[Ponce]

As usual, I don't know what the hell you guys are talking about...... Ayahuasca to experience death?......anyway, have fun.

V

[expat4ever]

it is my understanding that an ayahuasca ceremony requires a 3-7 day special diet, no meat, diary, no pot, no alcohol, and much more.

purge in the sense that you eliminate all toxins. the more you are religious about your diet, the less annoyance so to speak. But vomiting is almost inevitable, unless for the very old timers.

Do you only take 1 dose over the 7 days or do you take it daily? I know most people go for 5-7 days. I didnt know it was for the special diet as well. I thougght they were just drinking the stuff daily and working on issues or enjoying the ride.

[expat4ever]

Heres a couple of good ones. The last one with Ambre Lyon is very good. Amber was a journalist for CNN and is now on a natural medicine journey.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-cZehoKj5w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR9P7ksKktM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ1Dm-dcl68

[Santa]

Never tried DMT or Aya, but I bought a Salvia Divinorum seedling and grew it to about 3ft. Smoked the entire plant and it never let me enter. Nothing.
Even in my garden at night under a full moon. Nothing. It just wouldn't let me in.
I gave my nephew a few leaves. He took two hits at his home, stood up, fell onto the coffee table and underwent the most intense crazy tripped
out experience he'd ever had. It scared the crap out of him.

[woodman]

my first introduction to the idea of ego death was in reading a book by Richard Alpert also known as Ram Dass. The name of the book was was "Be Here Now". it is a good introduction to the whole thing.

[woodman]

I read this book back in about 1980.I was searching for answers.it would seem that what we know as our normal waking reality is almost akin to what you see above the water of an iceberg.

[woodman]

the main part lies below it is unseen unless it is looked for diligently.

[expat4ever]

You can eat salvia as well. I think it takes about 80 leaves though. Same with Morning glory seeds. They are also a hallucinogen.. DMT is in lots of stuff. Funny that its illegal but our bodies produce it naturally. LOL.

[Horn]

Lol,

I'm sorry Santa, my empathy is either too high or non-existent at this point. I can't tell. :)

Maybe if we we're Indians and it were attached to some cultural significance we would be reminded on a daily basis of our passage into manhood by eating the mesquite plant? Our entire existence must allow the ego to be fully disemboweled (even if temporarily) through use of external agents.

Maybe is why I can no longer use marijuana recreationally unless drinking, Not sure?

I don't think or feel trying to get there will get you there, its the knowing you've always been there since inception that equates to the term "ego-death".

[expat4ever]

I read this book back in about 1980.I was searching for answers.it would seem that what we know as our normal waking reality is almost akin to what you see above the water of an iceberg. I would agree with that. Most people wake up, shower, go to work, work all day, come home, eat dinner, watch tv and go to bed. Thats their reality 5 days a week. On the weekends they cut the lawn and drink some beer. Thats their reality. If they live in the city they probably havent seen a star in ages. For those that live in the country or out in the desert areas, they look up and the entire universe is at their fingertips. A much different reality than city folk. Thats just one tiny example.

[singular_me]

I am talking of diet before the journey.... I think you can do it as long as you feel like it but I heard a retreat can last up to 5-7 days, taking it every evening/at night. Id assume that the diet remains essential during a retreat.



Do you only take 1 dose over the 7 days or do you take it daily? I know most people go for 5-7 days. I didnt know it was for the special diet as well. I thougght they were just drinking the stuff daily and working on issues or enjoying the ride.

[singular_me]

it will never be possible to know everything, but at best we can keep a flexible and open mind. the invisible (question mark) will always rule over the visible, its a Natural Law.

http://www2.pacific.edu/sis/culture/Graphics/icebergbluegran.jpg


I read this book back in about 1980.I was searching for answers.it would seem that what we know as our normal waking reality is almost akin to what you see above the water of an iceberg.

[woodman]

there is a song by Leonard Cohen called Suzanne.I haven't heard it since I was a kid but I still remember the lyrics.

"Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water and he spent a long time watching from is lonely wooden tower and when he knew for certain only drowning men could see him he said "all men will be sailors then until the sea shall free them.""

[Horn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPmijD6jqHs

[woodman]

OR It might have been a different song.

[woodman]

hey horn, you want to post a video by the WHO of the song called I'm free? It is more germaine to this subject than any other video I can think of. if I remember the lyrics correctly there is a part thaThe says "you been told many times before, messiah's pointed to the door, no one has the guts to leave the temple."

[madfranks]

I do have to add at this time that neither this forum, nor the owner, condone any illegal activity. Any readers of this thread are reminded that using illegal drugs can have legal consequences.

Let's hope that some day these substances will not warrant such a disclaimer.

[Horn]

Who is the acid queen?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbZj7hyqo2c

[Hitch]

So, for those of us who get drug tested, and can't partake, I guess we are shit out of luck.

[Horn]

So, for those of us who get drug tested, and can't partake, I guess we are shit out of luck.

You need to get one of those fake ass hollywood flames, those are permissible...

[expat4ever]

I'm not sure about Ayahuasca but DMT your body produces naturally and shrooms are out of your system pretty fast. The test for shrooms is also like 1000 bucks so not very likely that you would be tested for those.

As for the illegality, I think we are talking about going to a country where it is legal. Its also just a discussion and I highly doubt anyone would take us seriously .

[singular_me]

The União do Vegetal (UDV) is a Christian Spiritist religion that originated in Brazil and is now practiced by over 17,000 people in six countries. The UDV has received numerous civic awards for its community and environmental service and is recognized as a church under the laws of the United States.
http://udvusa.org/

illegality? this church is absolutely legal in america

[woodman]

This is a very interesting subject to me. I just wanted to add that there are many accounts of people experiencing profound experiences through other means than drugs. These states are accessible through religion, nde's, meditation and other methods in addition to it happening just 'out of the blue'.

Osho has an excellent treatise on it. http://deoxy.org/egofalse.htm

Very interesting accounts here: http://reset.me/forums/

[govcheetos]

So, for those of us who get drug tested, and can't partake, I guess we are shit out of luck.

No offense, but probably more than you know.

[govcheetos]

illegality? this church is absolutely legal in america


Being legal is not all it's cracked up to be.

[woodman]

So, for those of us who get drug tested, and can't partake, I guess we are shit out of luck.

Why get drug tested? If someone required me to get drug tested in order to work, I would move on. I don't do enough drugs to show up on a test, so I know I'd pass. Even so, I would not be party to such invasion. To each their own.

If you want to know about drugs, drug testing and what will/won't show up and amounts/elimination time, read erowid.com. The info is there.

You don't need drugs to access altered states. They are an introduction though.

[Horn]

You don't need drugs to access altered states. They are an introduction though.

If its all the same I would prefer to exclude Hitch from higher forms of consciousness...

Its hard enough for me to keep tack of his user handle in the lower form. :)

[singular_me]

the ego for the best and the worse... I think the ego has a great (dual) function, we need it to tame it and eventually transcend it. Sure the others shape the ego, but in a society where everything is upside down, the ego can only develop its worst traits. When seeking to understand its blocks caused by social norms and conformity, the ego helps us attain the higher self, or innerverse.

this to corroborates the quote below. psychoanalysis gave/gives the ego a bad rap and as all it seeks is to reassure patients that a "pleased ego" means happiness. It is just good for one thing: shrinks' wallet.

There lies a great strength in being ego-free. One becomes absolutely fearless. Thats what is called the christ/buddha consciousness. Thats the trick, losing everything (bad) to win everything (good), what is exactly facing mankind today. We only will get rid of the NWO when/if we stand ready to lose big.

I am writing about this in my book quite extensively, and would add that I dont think it is possible to overcome the negative ego without understanding Natural Laws as the latter teach the ego that resistance is futile. :)

my understanding is that ayahuasca is an ego/fear tamer. That is why it is considered to treat PTSD, and addiction among other things.... and the NWO syndrome included. LOL


Evaluating the Therapeutic Potential of Ayahuasca for Substance Use Problems - Brian Rush
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsEFPQ4Fc4A


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYYqfCNQyxQ




The whole path towards the divine, the ultimate, has to pass through this territory of the ego. The false has to be understood as false. The source of misery has to be understood as the source of misery - then it simply drops.
Osho has an excellent treatise on it. http://deoxy.org/egofalse.htm

[Hitch]

If you want to know about drugs, drug testing and what will/won't show up and amounts/elimination time, read erowid.com. The info is there.



Woodman, thanks for this link. We get urine tested, randomly, and if there's any sort of accident with an injury, everyone gets tested immediately. I'm really surprised that cannabis if single use smoked only shows up for at most 3 days. We work 7 days in a row, then get 7 days off. I could actually try it out, if done early on my days off.

Very cool, not sure I'd risk it, but this information really is helpful.

I've been vocally against the drug testing. It's intrusive, and they are telling us what we can or can't do on our days off. It's BS. We've lost a lot of good workers because of it. If you fail a test, you are fired. If you refuse to take the test, fired.

[singular_me]

sure legal - man made laws - mean little. But it is gaining attention like wildfire.

the irony is that tribal knowledge still has something to teach us. Just like iboga, in africa where there are so many subhumans according to some... while Nature has created plants like opium that can turn humans into addicts, she also made sure we could heal from addiction.

Iboga Treatment Center for Substance Abuse Addictions
http://ibogaineclinic.com/iboga/

these powerful plants clearly offer us the chance to plug ourselves into the *pool of universal consciousness* to activate a long term healing of our inner/social disconnects.


JOE ROGAN talks about IBOGA, Iboga Treatment vs. DMT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR9P7ksKktM

Being legal is not all it's cracked up to be.

[woodman]

Woodman, thanks for this link. We get urine tested, randomly, and if there's any sort of accident with an injury, everyone gets tested immediately. I'm really surprised that cannabis if single use smoked only shows up for at most 3 days. We work 7 days in a row, then get 7 days off. I could actually try it out, if done early on my days off.

Very cool, not sure I'd risk it, but this information really is helpful.

I've been vocally against the drug testing. It's intrusive, and they are telling us what we can or can't do on our days off. It's BS. We've lost a lot of good workers because of it. If you fail a test, you are fired. If you refuse to take the test, fired.

Hi Hitch. Ego death can be approached through meditation although it is not necessarily a fast path. There are yoga techniques also and some of them are considered to be a little dicey. Great reward sometimes entails risks. Let me be clear that I am no authority on this stuff. I just find it fascinating. Buddha claimed that enlightenment was 'no big deal'. Maybe once you get there you find you were always there. There is a lot of paradox. To find yourself, you must lose yourself.

Here is an audio that touches on the subject of hallucinogens and their ability to get people to these transformative states: http://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/loud-therapeutic-tripping

[woodman]

sure legal - man made laws - mean little. But it is gaining attention like wildfire.

the irony is that tribal knowledge still has something to teach us. Just like iboga, in africa where there are so many subhumans according to some... while Nature has created plants like opium that can turn humans into addicts, she also made sure we could heal from addiction.

Iboga Treatment Center for Substance Abuse Addictions
http://ibogaineclinic.com/iboga/

these powerful plants clearly offer us the chance to plug ourselves into the *pool of universal consciousness* to activate a long term healing from our inner/social disconnects.


JOE ROGAN talks about IBOGA, Iboga Treatment vs. DMT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR9P7ksKktM

I think that the rigidity/fridgidity of authorities across the globe is a visceral response to the idea that perhaps people could take control of their lives in a way more meaningful than anything the authorities have to offer. They are deeply threatened by the idea of free people, of people who are actually able to gain access by themselves to the spiritual domain and add meaning to their lives beyond the shallow offerings of typical religious and patriotic ceremony. I am not saying that religion is shallow for all, but it sure seems to be an empty gesture for many who simply talk the talk.

I also believe that our society is an extremely primitive one, far more primitive than most tribal societies. We may be technical, but our whole system that we are all increasingly trapped in is brutal, savage, stupid and destructive beyond all reckoning.

[Hatha Sunahara]

From what I know about Buddhism, the entire religion is based on the idea that life involves suffering, and if one gets rid of that suffering, one is in a state of enlightenment called Nirvana. Buddhism desccribes life in four noble Truths. In order to avoid suffering, one must abandon attachment. What originates attachment is ego, therefore it is necessary to extinguish one's ego to end suffering and to go into a state of Nirvana or enlightenment. That process of extinguishing ego is done in an eight fold path outlined in Buddhist teachings. It is necessary to clear one's mind to proceed down this eight fold path, and that mind clearing is done with meditation.

Rather than attempt to teach Buddhism, which I am incapable of, i will provide a link to a downloadable book which has helped me to understand Buddhism in its essence clearly and quickly. It is a 65 page book by Walpola Ruhola called What the Buddha Taught. It is here:

http://www.dhammaweb.net/books/Dr_Walpola_Rahula_What_the_Buddha_Taught.pdf

I don't think you can talk about ego death without considering what one of the world's major religions has to say about it. Killing the ego is the major goal of Buddhists, so you would think they have some important things to say on the subject.

I personally can attest to the fact that ego death is possible without physical death. I think I have experienced that state for a while--perhaps for a period of half a year when I was in my early twenties. It came from having my perceptions changed when I started using cannabis (Marijuana). I have no doubt whatsoever that it is possible to achieve the same state using Ayahuasca or DMT, as it is a short cut to a meditative state, if you are inclined to go there. It is also possible to get into a meditative state using your computer and a program called Brainwave Generator which uses Binaural Beats to entrain your mind to go into a Alpha or Theta brainwave pattern which is where mediation trains you to get to naturally. In order to kill your ego, you need to have a teacher once known as a guru who can guide you in the right direction. There is no mystery to achieving ego death. It just has to be done in a disciplined way.


Hatha

[singular_me]

I have investigated spirituality for the last 5 years and while they all say more or less the same about the nature of God/Universe... they also all promote fear (negative ego) to impose their own norms of what is deemed good to sustain themselves. This surely explains why the "commerce of empathy", aka collectivism, does wonders. If a belief system doesnt work for 90% of population, maybe is it time to let it go. IMHO. And not to replace it with another monolith but the teaching that one's individual path is unique.

So we are not out the woods yet. When the ego feels threatened and doesnt know where the fear truly comes from, it attacks.


Jung was the most enlightened psychologist IMHO
http://www.davidicke.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/00000003.jpg



I think that the rigidity/fridgidity of authorities across the globe is a visceral response to the idea that perhaps people could take control of their lives in a way more meaningful than anything the authorities have to offer. They are deeply threatened by the idea of free people, of people who are actually able to gain access by themselves to the spiritual domain and add meaning to their lives beyond the shallow offerings of typical religious and patriotic ceremony. I am not saying that religion is shallow for all, but it sure seems to be an empty gesture for many who simply talk the talk.

I also believe that our society is an extremely primitive one, far more primitive than most tribal societies. We may be technical, but our whole system that we are all increasingly trapped in is brutal, savage, stupid and destructive beyond all reckoning.

[woodman]

From what I know about Buddhism, the entire religion is based on the idea that life involves suffering, and if one gets rid of that suffering, one is in a state of enlightenment called Nirvana. Buddhism desccribes life in four noble Truths. In order to avoid suffering, one must abandon attachment. What originates attachment is ego, therefore it is necessary to extinguish one's ego to end suffering and to go into a state of Nirvana or enlightenment. That process of extinguishing ego is done in an eight fold path outlined in Buddhist teachings. It is necessary to clear one's mind to proceed down this eight fold path, and that mind clearing is done with meditation.

Rather than attempt to teach Buddhism, which I am incapable of, i will provide a link to a downloadable book which has helped me to understand Buddhism in its essence clearly and quickly. It is a 65 page book by Walpola Ruhola called What the Buddha Taught. It is here:

http://www.dhammaweb.net/books/Dr_Walpola_Rahula_What_the_Buddha_Taught.pdf

I don't think you can talk about ego death without considering what one of the world's major religions has to say about it. Killing the ego is the major goal of Buddhists, so you would think they have some important things to say on the subject.

I personally can attest to the fact that ego death is possible without physical death. I think I have experienced that state for a while--perhaps for a period of half a year when I was in my early twenties. It came from having my perceptions changed when I started using cannabis (Marijuana). I have no doubt whatsoever that it is possible to achieve the same state using Ayahuasca or DMT, as it is a short cut to a meditative state, if you are inclined to go there. It is also possible to get into a meditative state using your computer and a program called Brainwave Generator which uses Binaural Beats to entrain your mind to go into a Alpha or Theta brainwave pattern which is where mediation trains you to get to naturally. In order to kill your ego, you need to have a teacher once known as a guru who can guide you in the right direction. There is no mystery to achieving ego death. It just has to be done in a disciplined way.


Hatha

Great post Hatha. Thanks for the info.

[Horn]

Problem with drugs if relied upon solely is the addictive, Some of the largest egos in the world I know of smoke weed on a regular basis.

I'm almost convinced their ego would not be nearly as dominating, if it weren't for the weed. Maybe it turns into some minute by minute release of ego for them, so long as the joint is a new one.

[woodman]

The problem with drugs is they could possibly reinforce the idea that solutions are outside of ourselves, in the world, physical. An idea for anyone who dos not want to use a substance, would be to find a place nearby where they could go 'tanking'. For those unfamiliar with it, it is a sensory deprivation device, wherein you float on a pool of body temp water that has Epsom salts to add buoyancy and all light and sound is blocked out and no tactile sensations. you are alone with yourself like you've never been before. You can google videos about it and there are sites that list the locations of available facilities.

[Hatha Sunahara]

The problem with drugs is they could possibly reinforce the idea that solutions are outside of ourselves, in the world, physical. An idea for anyone who dos not want to use a substance, would be to find a place nearby where they could go 'tanking'. For those unfamiliar with it, it is a sensory deprivation device, wherein you float on a pool of body temp water that has Epsom salts to add buoyancy and all light and sound is blocked out and no tactile sensations. you are alone with yourself like you've never been before. You can google videos about it and there are sites that list the locations of available facilities.

Drugs are not bad for you if you use the states of mind they put you in to your perceptions in ways you want. You can learn from the states of mind that drugs enable you to experience. Ultimately, the drugs only allow you to do what you cannot do by yourself in a 'normal' state of mind. That is what McKenna tries to convey about ayahuasca. The drugs allow you to experience that which you would not otherwise experience in your mind. If your goal is to 'quiet your mind' as you would with mediation, weed can help. Drugs give you easier access to your own spirit that you normally have.

Hatha

[Horn]

There was a movie made about that once called Altered States. Sounds equal to the Indian smoke sweat type of anxiety.

Maybe as an example of shocking the monkey experience, something to be looke forward upon in a regularly scheduled event?

Not sure?

[Horn]

Religion is a vice

[woodman]

Back in '73 as a lad of 15, I took a truly heroic dose of LSD. 4 way windowpane. Felt myself dissolving into and becoming part of everything. It was so discontinuous with reality that I knew, that I was very frightened. I resisted it. I should have embraced it, but I had no concept of ego-death. That experience did lead to me re-examining the path I was on at the time and turned out to be very useful.

[Horn]

Reoccuring story of a young man who became so filled with uncontrolable anxiety that he ran screaming from his house and turned to a puddle on the front porch...

His only hope was that someone was that someone would walk along and slip on him, bust their head wide open to join him.

[woodman]

Reoccuring story of a young man who became so filled with uncontrolable anxiety that he ran screaming from his house and turned to a puddle on the front porch...

His only hope was that someone was that someone would walk along and slip on him, bust their head wide open to join him.

Many did.

Alan Watts on the art of meditation.http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Alan+Watts+Alcoholism&Form=VQFRVP#view=detail&mid=D2CE640E217394C733C2D2CE640E217394C733C2

[Hatha Sunahara]

Here's a piece of software I've used in the past. I first heard of 'mind machines' listening to talks by Robert Anton Wilson about a dozen years ago. I looked into mind machines and found a few on eBay. When I looked into how they work, It occurred to me that you could dispense with the mind machine if there was a piece of software that could make your computer do the same thing. So I looked around, and this is what I found.

http://www.bwgen.com/

This program Brainwave Generator works on Windows computers, If you use linux, there is one that does the same thing in Linux called Gnaural

http://gnaural.sourceforge.net/


There are others as well. These programs help put you into an Alpha brainwave state using brainwave entrainment. The way it works is that you use stereo earphones, and the program pumps two separate frequencies into the right and left earpieces. Your brain detects the difference between these frequencies, which can be programmed to be in the Alpha or Theta brainwave frequency. This is the brainwave frequency that you try to put yourself into by meditating. Zen monks are taught how to do this over a period of 20 years. You can achieve this state without any training in about 10 minutes. Isn't technology wonderful?


Hatha

[Horn]

Here's a piece of software I've used in the past.

Hatha

Huh, sounds just like the balance between my cpu fan and my refrigerator?

[Glass]

Religion is a vice

Religion is not a vice. Religion is a series of guiding moral concepts. Dogma is a vice. Which one do we have at the moment? Starts with D. we should probably give re-legion another name but then what would happen to all of the catholics who had to repent each week and re-legion themselves in what seems to be a never ending cycle of soul destruction.

Wondering if that bi-tonal generator works on new windowses. Could be interesting. I've been planning to do some of those sand vs frequency things. Can't recall what it's called. A vid was posted on it a week or so ago.

[Hatha Sunahara]

Religion is not a vice. Religion is a series of guiding moral concepts. Dogma is a vice. Which one do we have at the moment? Starts with D. we should probably give re-legion another name but then what would happen to all of the catholics who had to repent each week and re-legion themselves in what seems to be a never ending cycle of soul destruction.

Wondering if that bi-tonal generator works on new windowses. Could be interesting. I've been planning to do some of those sand vs frequency things. Can't recall what it's called. A vid was posted on it a week or so ago.

Brainwave Generator http://www.bwgen.com/ works on Windows 7. I know that because I have it installed on a Win7 laptop. Could you post a link to that video for the sand vs frequency thing?

Hatha

[Horn]

Religion is a series of guiding moral concepts.

Religion is more than just a concept, it is practiced as a vice.

Any one religion will dictate repetitive prescribed motions to be tasked to achieve a determined end. Failure to do so, isn't following properly.

Just like rolling a joint and lighting it, if you don't hold deeply the smoke for any number of seconds all is lost.

Users gravitate towards the repetitive motions (in times of need) just as much (if not more than) the perceived end.

[singular_me]

the difference between religion and sect is that religion is endorsed by the state, what makes them collectivist by nature. The nature of the state is therefore esoteric, and we can even say that the state is a dark entity as power aims at subverting all spiritual knowledge. without waging war on consciousness (uniqueness of every human being), the state cannot exist.

[woodman]

Religion is more than just a concept, it is practiced as a vice.

Any one religion will dictate repetitive prescribed motions to be tasked to achieve a determined end. Failure to do so, isn't following properly.

Just like rolling a joint and lighting it, if you don't hold deeply the smoke for any number of seconds all is lost.

Users gravitate towards the repetitive motions (in times of need) just as much (if not more than) the perceived end.

Yes, ritual seems to be a reoccurring characteristic of religion. It is very comfortable and people take much solace in their rituals. It adds a security to their life, a refuge of sorts. Conversely, this very ritual can keep them from spiritual growth. It seems to me anyway. Isn't it from departing from our old familiar ways and reality that we arrive at the most genuine understandings? It is good to come back to an old and comfortable home after journeying in the wilderness, but without the wilderness, can we ever really appreciate the comforts of home?

[Horn]

Getting towards the gist of it now, me thinks.

Whenever the cycle ritual or turning away is responded to in an ego fashion is where dogmas bark.

Those places most often aren't know until you tread them.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA27aQZCQMk

No more than a religious disco boy.

[Horn]

Any news on Hitch's experiments into psilocybin?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmvA7oWGb40

[singular_me]

in my view genuine spiritual beliefs do not call for the enslavement of the species, the killing those having different views nor conquests for domination of any kinds.

maybe that is the real meaning of judgement day: collective the death of the ego.

[Jewboo]

Never tried DMT or Aya, but I bought a Salvia Divinorum seedling and grew it to about 3ft. Smoked the entire plant and it never let me enter. Nothing. Even in my garden at night under a full moon. Nothing. It just wouldn't let me in.

I gave my nephew a few leaves. He took two hits at his home, stood up, fell onto the coffee table and underwent the most intense crazy tripped out experience he'd ever had. It scared the crap out of him.

http://i.imgur.com/iUDM4vP.png
Don't tell yur parents Timmy!


:rolleyes:

[woodman]

Sometimes I get the feeling that I am no one at all. Any of you ever feel a loss of identity? At face, you would think that it is a bad thing or that somebody who feels this is on the way to the nut house. Well, this whole society is a nut house so I don't feel too alarmed at being socially deviant in such a manner. I will say this: When I do feel this lack of self, I feel more grounded and centered and at peace than ever before. I wish I could attain a deeper and lasting emergence into whatever this experience is leading to. This seems to be a very slow process with lots of backsliding into old grooves. My ticker is pretty bad and I don't know how much time I have left but I sure would love to come to a deeper, more connected level of experience.

I think society and all our institutions are set up to blind us to some essential truths and keep us disconnected from each other and our true selves. We truly are in the matrix. The matrix has us!

[singular_me]

yes, thats the trick... letting go the ego and emotional rewards are amazing... hold on to the ego/materialism and lose everything .. this is really how dualism works at a spiritual level

we have no other choice than thriving for utopia, even though perfection doesnt exist. Because the other choice is thriving for oblivion caused by the lesser evil dichotomy

Good to read that you have such realizations. Life is a training to reunite with the One.
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here is another example as why the ego will always end up taking down anything , posted by bbilgin (41) · 5 hours ago
https://steemit.com/memories/@flysky/my-dream-and-my-memories-for-steemitultimatechallenge

Even though I wouldn't do it myself, I don't blame the people who abuse the reward pool.

If you distribute $65M in a year for posting, commenting, and upvoting on a website like Steemit, what do you expect?

Do you think everybody's going to come here and upvote only content that's worth it? There'll be people who are going to take advantage of it.

Good luck trying to flag all of these abuse posts. It's a pathetic whack-a-mole game. As soon as you flag one, ten others will pop-up. No way around this in the current system.

This system is designed to fail. I really have a difficult time what people investing in Steem are thinking. Do they think that investing in a platform that blows off 6.5% of their investment on a content like this in a year is ever going to make money?

[JDRock]

Hathas posts are most welcome here.

[monty]

Hatha was an excellent poster. One day he just quit posting.

[Jewboo]

Sometimes I get the feeling that I am no one at all. Any of you ever feel a loss of identity? At face, you would think that it is a bad thing or that somebody who feels this is on the way to the nut house. Well, this whole society is a nut house so I don't feel too alarmed at being socially deviant in such a manner. I will say this: When I do feel this lack of self, I feel more grounded and centered and at peace than ever before. I wish I could attain a deeper and lasting emergence into whatever this experience is leading to. This seems to be a very slow process with lots of backsliding into old grooves. My ticker is pretty bad and I don't know how much time I have left but I sure would love to come to a deeper, more connected level of experience.

I think society and all our institutions are set up to blind us to some essential truths and keep us disconnected from each other and our true selves. We truly are in the matrix. The matrix has us!

https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1474183175640.jpg

Imagine being this guy and seeing what (((Time Magazine))) says about you Woodman.

:)

[End Times]

https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1474183175640.jpg

Imagine being this guy and seeing what (((Time Magazine))) says about you Woodman.

:)


This is the REAL "Buddhist terror" (((they))) are worried about:

http://www.angelofjustice.org/sitebuilder/images/Lama_Nazi_2-209x145-753x572.jpg

Europe belongs to the Europeans

-- The Dalai Lama Tenzin Gyatso

[woodman]

https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1474183175640.jpg

Imagine being this guy and seeing what (((Time Magazine))) says about you Woodman.

:)

Maybe I should check out the article. I have not read a magazine in years. Kind of amazing because at one time I was a voracious reader. I still read, just no magazines. They started to sicken me.

[Jewboo]

If you haven't already do a search on youtube for Joe Rogan and DMT.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MNv4_rTkfU

Small world. Two days ago I watched this and Rogan really goes into "Ego Death" and DMT with Mike Tyson. A must watch for Woodman since he started this thread...

:o

[Jewboo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTAPaHcLAhw

Want a laugh?

Select .5 Speed then start at the 1:38.00 mark

:D

[woodman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MNv4_rTkfU

Small world. Two days ago I watched this and Rogan really goes into "Ego Death" and DMT with Mike Tyson. A must watch for Woodman since he started this thread...

:o
I just can't watch a long video. I'd rather read a book. These people just ramble all over the place. Maybe it could be distilled? Maybe an overview of the pertinent discussion. I don't mean to be abrasive, I just can't take the videos.