‘We are going to destroy the Greek oligarchy system’

[singular_me]

this is a turning point continuing the thread Greeks Stop Paying Taxes Ahead Of Elections: http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?81662-Greeks-Stop-Paying-Taxes-Ahead-Of-Elections

sounds good to me but the platform of the new gov reminds me that of the bolshevics as posted by Hatha
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?81662-Greeks-Stop-Paying-Taxes-Ahead-Of-Elections&p=758434&viewfull=1#post758434

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJP1Ysx47fo

[Horn]

Wouldn't it be Democratic to just take the measures, than to inform the the opposition what your plans are?

So they can vacuum all the money that is left off the face of Greece.

[singular_me]

Is Soros Preparing A Colour Revolution For Greece?

.................... As The Guardian reported in January, 2014

George Soros has extended his financial support for Greece by establishing the first in a series of "solidarity centres" for those worst-hit by the country's economic crisis.

The opening of the centre in the northern city of Thessaloniki comes as ever more Greeks are forced to turn to charities for help.

"Greece, to a great degree, has become a failed state," said Aliki Mouriki, a sociologist at the National Centre for Social Research. "It is unable to provide basic facilities for its citizens because of budget cuts.

"In the absence of public welfare, and with around one and a half million officially unemployed, growing numbers are looking for substitutes elsewhere."

The centre – a hub for NGOs offering health care and legal counsel – has been deluged with requests only days after opening its doors.

Soros committed $1m for heating oil last year after local mayors, unable to heat schools, appealed for help. Among them was Tassos Karabatos, mayor of Naoussa, also in northern Greece, who turned to the US investor after taking the unprecedented step of shutting down all 54 schools in his municipality when he saw that oil tanks were running dry.

While Soros’ donations may seem at first to be an act of incredible generosity, it would take gross naivete and ignorance of the billionaire’s history across the world to believe that he has anything remotely resembling good intentions for Greece.

Notice that, while Soros has bought some watery-eyed loyalty with his donations, it is also true that his “Solidarity Centres” are also “a hub for NGOs,” a necessary part of any color revolution. In fact, the currency speculator Soros has funded a number of color revolutions through his “democracy” and “civil society” NGOs in Europe and even the United States.

Of course, some Greeks were not as foolish as to look toward the Soros machine for help. A number of school parents’ associations refused to endorse any of the Soros funds. The presence of mind of the Greek people earned them condemnation from many of their local leaders, however. .....................

http://www.activistpost.com/2015/02/is-soros-preparing-color-revolution-for.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ActivistPost+%28Activist+Post %29

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THIS NEW GREEK GOV IS JUST THE SAME SCAM BY ANOTHER NAME
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Greece may seek finance from non-EU partners: Minister

“What we want is a deal. But if there is no deal - hopefully (there will be) - and if we see that Germany remains rigid and wants to blow apart Europe, then we have the obligation to go to Plan B. Plan B is to get funding from another source,” Panos Kammenos told Greek television on an overnight show that ran into early Tuesday.

Kammenos added that his country could turn to the United State, Russia, China or other states for assistance should Europeans let Athens down.
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/02/10/397003/Greece-may-get-aid-from-outside-EU

[mick silver]

he just pure ass evil , I posted more about soros then any man in the world , he one bat ass crazy mother ficker . just one time I would love to see his old ass in a battle zone doing his own work and not paying for it behind close doors

[Hatha Sunahara]

It takes a lot of courage to stand up to the people who control all the money and have a track record of killing people who stand in their way. Paul Craig Roberts poiints this out.

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/02/01/greece-attack-pray-yanis-varoufakis/


Hatha

[singular_me]

The political centre across southern Europe is disintegrating. Establishment parties of centre-left and centre-right – La Casta, as they say in Spain – have successively immolated themselves enforcing EMU debt-deflation.

Spain’s neo-Bolivarian Podemos party refuses to fade. It has endured crippling internal rifts. It has shrugged off hostile press coverage over financial ties to Venezuela. Nothing sticks.

The insurrectionists who came from nowhere last year – with Trotskyist roots and more radical views than those of Syriza in Greece – are pulling further ahead in the polls. The latest Metroscopia survey gave Podemos 28pc. The ruling conservatives have dropped to 21pc.’
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11407256/Germany-faces-impossible-choice-as-Greek-austerity-revolt-spreads.html


Moscow to consider financial aid for Athens: Lavrov
The Russian foreign minister says his country will consider any request from Greece for financial aid as Athens seeks to renegotiate a massive bailout with its European partners.

“If there are any appeals… from the Greek government, these appeals of course will be considered,” AFP quoted Sergey Lavrov as saying during a Wednesday visit by his Greek counterpart Nikos Kotzias.

Greece’s Defense Minister Panos Kammenos had warned Tuesday that if negotiations with the eurozone fail, Athens will go to a “Plan B”, which could involve asking for funding from China, Russia or the United States.’
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/02/11/397173/Russia-to-mull-financial-aid-for-Greece

[Neuro]

this is a turning point continuing the thread Greeks Stop Paying Taxes Ahead Of Elections: http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?81662-Greeks-Stop-Paying-Taxes-Ahead-Of-Elections

sounds good to me but the platform of the new gov reminds me that of the bolshevics as posted by Hatha
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?81662-Greeks-Stop-Paying-Taxes-Ahead-Of-Elections&p=758434&viewfull=1#post758434

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJP1Ysx47fo
He comes across as an honest and principled man. The next couple of years will show if he is!

[mick silver]

Greece Offers New Bailout Plan as Latest Grexit Drama Commences
February 12, 2015



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Greece presents bailout plans to EU finance ministers ... Greece's anti-austerity government is presenting its first concrete proposals for an alternative debt plan at an emergency meeting of eurozone finance ministers in Brussels. The government wants to overhaul 30% of its bailout obligations, replacing them with a 10-point plan of reforms. But EU ministers have warned that Greece must abide by existing terms. – BBC
Dominant Social Theme: There is no hope. The lines are irretrievably drawn.
Free-Market Analysis: We begin to see a pattern here. As always, we are led to believe the crisis is unavoidable and the horror is about to descend.
And then at the last minute, or even after the last minute, the bureaucrats somehow manage to resolve their differences. Some government leader or other is proclaimed a hero and the mainstream media rejoices.
In this case, news broke late in the day that talks had "broken down." According to the Financial Times, the two sides (Greece and EU ministers) had not been able to agree on a "way forward."
Eurozone finance ministers' first attempt to grapple with the bailout demands made by the new Greek government broke down in recriminations after the two sides failed even to agree a way to take negotiations forward after six hours of talks in Brussels.
Jeroen Dijsselbloem, the Dutch finance minister who chairs the committee of his 18 colleagues, said that while he had hoped a blueprint for future talks could have been agreed at the session, no negotiations were scheduled ahead of a self-imposed deadline to reach agreement on a bailout extension by Monday.
This seems like a movie we've seen before. These constant cliff-hangers are part and parcel of the negotiating process. It surely seems like a meme (http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/654/) of sorts, or sub-meme. The contentiousness is necessary to ensure that all eyes are on Brussels and everyone gets the message that if you work in a government job, the fate of millions may hang on your actions and statements.
Often, the breakthroughs eventually come; usually they seem to take place at expensive hotels or fancy restaurants where the derring-do of clashing swords has been replaced by the soft swoon of damask napkins and the clinking of flatware on china as rare viands are consumed.
Verbiage is, of course, adjusted by scribes and the newest program is announced as the final one. This time they've got it right. Is this latest Grexit pandemonium going to end on a similar note?
We've heard and read about the doom and gloom. The EU itself is perched on a precipice. But will this sudden, swift and concise "plan" remove the EU from its jeopardy? Here's more:
The EU-IMF (http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/1823/) bailout for the debt-laden country expires on 28 February and Greece does not want it extended. Instead the new Athens government is asking for a "bridge agreement" that will enable it to stay afloat until it can agree a new four-year reform plan with its EU creditors.
Thousands of left-wing demonstrators have rallied in Athens in support of their government's proposition. Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras's government won a confidence vote on Tuesday, with the support of 162 deputies in the 300-seat parliament.
... At a joint press conference on Wednesday, OECD (http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/3457/) head Angel Gurria told Mr Tsipras that his organisation would "work with Greece in getting growth back not only on the books but also... to the Greek citizens."
... However a swift deal with the EU is considered unlikely. Most finance ministers - including Germany's Wolfgang Schaeuble - are insisting that Greece must not renege on its bailout conditions. Speaking ahead of the Eurogroup meeting, its president, Jeroen Dijsselbloem, said he did not expect a deal with Greece on Wednesday but that the group would listen to Greece's ideas.
And thus, perhaps ... there is hope glimmering through the mire. The article goes on to tell us that the head of the IMF, Christine Lagarde, "praised Greek officials as 'competent,' but warned that reaching an agreement would take time."
The first full summit to discuss the plan is expected on Thursday (though this now seems to have shifted to Monday). In the meantime, the rhetoric remains fraught. Finance Minister Yanis Varoufakis has been quoted as saying, "If you are not willing to even contemplate a rift, then you are not negotiating."
Additionally, there have been reports that Greece is flirting with China and Russia, though overtures so far have not been described as "serious."
A sense of déjà vu? This begins to emerge as a more extreme form of what has come before. The threats are louder, the remedies more extreme – but the outcome may be seen as more of the same. Some sort of "agreement" may eventually be patched together and the new Greek regime will claim a great victory.
The Greek solution – if that occurs – may then be extended to Spain, Italy, etc. The idea will be that Brussels has made great compromises. The aim may be to palliate the masses who are supposed to believe that this time their anger and desperation has been acknowledged.
In such a case there would certainly be a temporary surcease of the worst of the rage – at least until it becomes evident that the same problems remain.
Of course, there could be a Grexit. There could be significant chaos. There could be an end to the euro as we know it. But then again, would there not be contingency plans in place?
There is a dialectic here. It is playing out. Perhaps it is not a dialectic that the Eurocrats desired. Perhaps it is one that they have only reluctantly decided to manage. But if we are correct, no matter the outcome, we will hear determined cries for a political union to supersede Europe's current economic one.
This is indeed how things work. From chaos, order. And if so, it will be the "little people" that suffer. A reconfiguration of the EU would be a radical step, indeed – and one that would shake the world's current rickety financial structure.
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[singular_me]

(well that is all about arguing over which keneysian theory is correct: LOL)
Setting SYRIZA Straight, NYT Gets It Wrong on Debt
By Andy Robinson
................ But Alderman got the primary surplus back to front. The definition should actually be before interest payments–the primary surplus being a measure of whether a government would be spending more than it takes in if it weren't paying back past borrowing. Could it be the Times reporter does not understand the magnitude of Greece's financial challenges?

Varoufakis surely does. He is a top economist, author of the influential Modest Proposal for Resolving the Eurozone Crisis, a Keynesian plan offered as an alternative to austerity. Before being named Finance minister last week, he was working on debt dynamics with James Galbraith at the University of Texas at Austin...............
http://fair.org/blog/2015/02/14/setting-syriza-straight-nyt-gets-it-wrong-on-debt/

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcWnMbzJfu0

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February 16, 2015

'Shame': Greece Pledges to Shut Down Immigrant Detention Centers
'I'm here to express my shame, not as a minister but as a human being,' says official in charge of public order
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/02/16/shame-greece-pledges-shut-down-immigrant-detention-centers
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Greek ‘revolution’ woke up Europeans, spreads like wildfire’
February 16, 201

RT News
Greece's govt rejects EU bailout offer as “absurd”
podcast/transcript on original rt page
http://rt.com/op-edge/232607-eu-people-support-greece/

[mick silver]

more info here ........... http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?82080-Russian-Parliament-Warns-Europe’s-Longstanding-Peace-in-Jeopardy